Science vs God

[parrot 789]

You can obviously celebrate any holiday you want, I just think it's odd. You don't see me celebrating hanukkah, do ya?

 

I bet you celebrate the Superbowl even though you're a Redskins fan.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Wow. If you are serious, i feel very sorry for you. Let me try to simplify what i was saying. If, and i only say if to appease those without common sense, there is life on other planets then are we supposed to believe god's other sons went to those locations? Or is earth so freaking special that he sent his son here and nowhere else? Hopefully the punctuation is okay for the grammar police.

 

I'm thinking God's other son(s) was maybe alien in looks? So when he(they) did go to other planets he looked like the locals? Just like Jesus and human beings...

[Me_2006 14]

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[wiffleball 4,790]

I'm thinking God's other son(s) was maybe alien in looks? So when he(they) did go to other planets he looked like the locals? Just like Jesus and human beings...

 

What if God were one of us, just a 3 eyed Quartian like one of us...

[wiffleball 4,790]

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Ah dude, uncool. I just completely focked up my screen.

 

How am I gonna explain I sharpied my own monitor with my signature.

 

Damn.

[surferskin 30]

I bet you celebrate the Superbowl even though you're a Redskins fan.

I've celebrated it thrice.

[jerryskids 6,789]

Wow. If you are serious, i feel very sorry for you. Let me try to simplify what i was saying. If, and i only say if to appease those without common sense, there is life on other planets then are we supposed to believe god's other sons went to those locations? Or is earth so freaking special that he sent his son here and nowhere else? Hopefully the punctuation is okay for the grammar police.

What about god sending his son to multiple planets is inconsistent with christianity?

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

new girl, he was being sarcastic.

 

Okay, thanks.

[parrot 789]

I've celebrated it thrice.

 

What was your drink of choice the last time, apple juice or chocolate milk?

[wiffleball 4,790]

What about god sending his son to multiple planets is inconsistent with christianity?

 

Well for one thing, the whole crucifiction story. On Quartan, if the 'guard' were to stab Jeebus in the 'heart' with a spear, he'd actually be hitting his 3rd stomach. Everybody knows Quartans have their hearts in their butt. - Can you imagine a crucifix where Jeebus is facing the cross and mooning the congregation with a pierced butt-cheek??

[FeelingMN 273]

Wow. If you are serious, i feel very sorry for you. Let me try to simplify what i was saying. If, and i only say if to appease those without common sense, there is life on other planets then are we supposed to believe god's other sons went to those locations? Or is earth so freaking special that he sent his son here and nowhere else? Hopefully the punctuation is okay for the grammar police.

 

Dude, I'm not quite sure what you're expecting here. If someone says yeah, multiple Jesuseses in the Universe. Enough Jesuses for everyone, then what?

 

And if they say nope, only one Jesus. Earth Jesus. There is no life anywhere else. Then what?

 

It's hard to get anywhere when all you provide is a supposition against a supposition.

[wiffleball 4,790]

It's hard to get anywhere when all you provide is a supposition against a supposition.

 

 

ExACTly.

[FeelingMN 273]

Egocentric or we were designed with knowledge of self for a reason. IF we were designed to have consciousness-in the image of God, and we're wholly subject to him, that's not a peaceful place to be. IF it's so, it's a good unsettling reality to believe. The only thing that can make a difference is a true relationship with your creator. If you're convicted, you will remain unsettled if you're trying to take out an eternal life insurance policy with how you live your life, what difference you're making. I think by the grace of God man can be convicted of his dependency, and it's certainly counter pride, and the only thing that winds up giving him peace is knowing his intercessor. In other words I don't understand how it can be comforting to concede to eternal life because of the potential risk in not doing so, and then set about ensuring you escape potential wrath. If you deal with that on your own, you shouldn't have peace. It's so much more peaceful to cancel it out.

 

You could say since religion is powerfully ingrained in the society that has it, as if often the case, that even though it was designed to keep people in check, give them an imaginary dynamic to believe in but one that actually doesn't sound pleasant in aspects, it is still comforting to err on the side of it...just in case. Comfort is still the main driver. In other words the pressure makes people believe in something that isn't that peaceful, in order to have peace considering how influential religion is around that individual. I understand that, I don't see it as personal dynamic, but it is one way to seek to discredit, or try to reason something out and naturally the person who may not consider it a personal dynamic will be thought to be willingly blinded.

 

That's your definition of peace. Not mine. Personally, I find comfort in knowing I am living my life as best I can. This means developing a conscience and exercising reason to make sense of the world around me. I leave open the possibility of God. The thing I reject is organized religion's depiction of Him, or the zealot's contention that there is absolutely nothing else to believe in. This is incredibly narrow minded in my opinion. And if there is a God as you describe him, I think he'd be understanding of my skepticism. I'm far from a bad dude. I have to abide by my own principles though. Live sincerely. As such, I cannot accept others' fallacies and fictions simply because I should.

 

Speaking of our base motivations, evolutionist have looked at the reasoning for why religion is embraced, and starting at 1:20 here this speaker presents some interesting thoughts.

 

Plato made thoughts on the soul popular but he's not the first person to think about the concept, and I think probably everyone has a tendency towards entertaining the thought.

 

Why do you think our reality has the foundation of pure chaos? I'm thinking on the local planetary level and can see there's potential out there, but if you have another view, that nature didn't come about from happenstance, then elements of nature lend themselves as being constant with that. They don't counter it...doesn't mean they prove it, either. Do you mean that nature has lent itself to sustaining (for some time at least) life as we know it, it's something that has happened within chaos? Enough chaos and chaos for a while can net within it some temporary order.

 

You raise a lot of interesting points that I haven't spoken to, want to, and I'll read your link and get back to you.

 

I don't really understand what you're saying, but I'll try my best.

 

Reality is chaotic because there is much more to it than we're close to being aware of. Regardless of where you're at now, I'm guessing you're in a pretty stable environment. And you can easily glance around and say, 'things seem pretty organized, there's no evidence of chaos in these parts'. But that's a microfraction of true Reality. As you read this you are being assailed by trillions of tiny bacterial bugs. Your body fights them off as it's been equipped to do. You're dying though, a couple thousand cells every few seconds. Through quantum mechanics, some star 38 light years away just exchanged a few electrons with your brain. And all the while, there exists a minute possibility that the chair you're sitting in spontaneously begins to float away. Seriously, read up on some of that quantum bullsh!t. Reality is stranger than fiction.

 

Not sure if that addresses your questions. If not, clarify.

[surferskin 30]

What was your drink of choice the last time, apple juice or chocolate milk?

Noway. I only drank the hard stuff back then...clear pepsi.

[jets24 6]

Wow. If you are serious, i feel very sorry for you. Let me try to simplify what i was saying. If, and i only say if to appease those without common sense, there is life on other planets then are we supposed to believe god's other sons went to those locations? Or is earth so freaking special that he sent his son here and nowhere else? Hopefully the punctuation is okay for the grammar police.

 

Meh....

 

The i's need to be capital and you started a sentence with a preposition.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

Holy sh*t (no pun intended...really, I mean it). 255 replies?

[Savage Beast 1]

So far this thread has been very helpful in making out my Lake Of Fire list.

 

You Godless %@$+@*>$ are all going to burn, and I'll make sure of it.

 

I'm a prophet of God, so you better watch out what you say about Christ, and heed my warnings, Hell fire is coming for all of you Christ mockers. Best repent while you still have the chance.

[Gepetto 1,367]

So far this thread has been very helpful in making out my Lake Of Fire list.

 

You Godless %@$+@*>$ are all going to burn, and I'll make sure of it.

 

I'm a prophet of God, so you better watch out what you say about Christ, and heed my warnings, Hell fire is coming for all of you Christ mockers. Best repent while you still have the chance.

 

I think you kind of want the non-believers to burn in hell. While it would sadden God that any one of his children would choose a path of destruction; you sound as if it would put a great big smile on your face to watch them burn and say "I told you so". If I'm right, that might just make you much worse than a non-believer. Hopefully I'm wrong about your possible motives/wishes.

[Blitzen 0]

No Savage Beast thread is complete without a Lake of Fire reference. It's like peanut butter and jelly or GFIAFP and minors.

[TheBlade 3]

It's not the birth of God, it's the birth of Jesus, the SON of God.

 

I might be an atheist, but I hate it when people equate God and Jesus as the same person.

Since there were a couple of responses to you on this, but nobody really made an effort to explain this, I'll try.

 

God and Jesus Christ are one and the same. They are both part of the Triune God, made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God the Son (Jesus Christ) has always been the part of the Triune God to make Himself visible to humans throughout history.

 

Jesus Christ, or God the Son, was/is the creator of the Earth. This is supported by looking at several verses in the Bible in succession. Genesis 1:1, John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:1-2, and Colossians 1:16, when read together, clearly identify Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the creator of the Earth.

 

Since you state you are Atheist, I wouldn't expect you to know that so I thought I would try to explain that a bit further.

[TheBlade 3]

That's your definition of peace. Not mine. Personally, I find comfort in knowing I am living my life as best I can. This means developing a conscience and exercising reason to make sense of the world around me. I leave open the possibility of God. The thing I reject is organized religion's depiction of Him, or the zealot's contention that there is absolutely nothing else to believe in. This is incredibly narrow minded in my opinion. And if there is a God as you describe him, I think he'd be understanding of my skepticism. I'm far from a bad dude. I have to abide by my own principles though. Live sincerely. As such, I cannot accept others' fallacies and fictions simply because I should.

I have a serious question for you on the bolded part:

 

If there is a God as we describe, who is THE creator of the universe and everything living, then who are YOU to be skeptical of that?????? I'm not trying to flame you and I'm totally serious. If, for just a moment, we work under the premise that God does exist based on your statement, who the heck are you or any one of the rest of us to be skeptical of Him?? Or expect Him to be "understanding" of you because you're "far from a bad dude"??? What have you done that gives you the right to question or be skeptical of the Almighty Creator of the Universe??

 

Again, I'm not trying to flame you. I'm asking honest, but legitimate, questions based on your own statements.

[Savage Beast 1]

All of you God mockers need a lesson from the Apostle Paul.

 

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

 

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

What about god sending his son to multiple planets is inconsistent with christianity?

 

Man, if aliens ever do come here, and send a delegation, we really are gonna have to hide you religious folks. It would be embarassing to have them hear that crap.

 

So far this thread has been very helpful in making out my Lake Of Fire list.

 

You Godless %@$+@*>$ are all going to burn, and I'll make sure of it.

 

I'm a prophet of God, so you better watch out what you say about Christ, and heed my warnings, Hell fire is coming for all of you Christ mockers. Best repent while you still have the chance.

 

I can't decide if Savage Beast is actually crazy, or just focking around. Not that it matters, just never can tell.

[RLLD 4,229]

All of you God mockers need a lesson from the Apostle Paul.

 

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

 

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

 

 

The nice thing about the Koran is the lack of this kind of drivel....

[jerryskids 6,789]

Man, if aliens ever do come here, and send a delegation, we really are gonna have to hide you religious folks. It would be embarassing to have them hear that crap.

I'm not religious; I'm fairly agnostic.

 

I just don't like when people like yourselves speak with such venom and disdain against something which, frankly, you DON'T know for sure.

 

HTH

[wiffleball 4,790]

Since there were a couple of responses to you on this, but nobody really made an effort to explain this, I'll try.

 

God and Jesus Christ are one and the same. They are both part of the Triune God, made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God the Son (Jesus Christ) has always been the part of the Triune God to make Himself visible to humans throughout history.

 

Jesus Christ, or God the Son, was/is the creator of the Earth. This is supported by looking at several verses in the Bible in succession. Genesis 1:1, John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:1-2, and Colossians 1:16, when read together, clearly identify Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the creator of the Earth.

 

Since you state you are Atheist, I wouldn't expect you to know that so I thought I would try to explain that a bit further.

 

...Which in turn makes Jesus a mother focker.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm not religious; I'm fairly agnostic.

 

I just don't like when people like yourselves speak with such venom and disdain against something which, frankly, you DON'T know for sure.

 

HTH

 

You'r right, I don't KNOW for sure. I don't know that scientology isn't correct either. I don't know that Richard Dawkins "Flying Sphaghetti Monster" isn't real either.

 

But just because I can't disprove the existance of a flying leprechaun with three breasts and two vaginas that created the world and demands that we make sacrifices in the form of throwing virgin males into a volcano doesn't mean that I should worship it.

 

This is what religious people don't seem to get...

 

No, we cannot, and never will, be able to disprove the existance of God.

 

But WE SHOULDN"T HAVE TO!

 

You are the ones that are asserting something exists, that he communicated with us through various prophets and begotten sons, and whatnot. The burden is on you to PROVE that he exists, not on everyone else to prove that he doesn't.

 

Can you guys disprove that Zeus and Co. Are sitting on a mountain somewhere ruling over the earth? Can you disprove that Shiva, the many armed destroyer of worlds isn't real?

 

No? Well then maybe you should worship them too, just to cover your bases.

 

And yes, I speak of religion (all of them, not just christianity) with disdain. Just like you would have disdain for a grown man that believes in Santa Claus. Just like you would think somebody who worships Zeus is a focking nut.

 

Why? His theory is every bit as viable as yours. He has as much proof that Zeus exists as you do that the Christian God exists.

 

As for venom, I go a good bit further than your garden variety agnostic.

 

I've gone on record that even if you could prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the Christian God exists, I don't care. I don't like that God, and don't respect him, and want no part of him. I think that God is a two bit thug.

 

So there that is.

 

For the record, I am agnostic. I hope that there is a just God out there. I doubt it, as any just God wouldn't allow the injustice that persists on this world to exist, but I hope so. If there is, I will defend my life as best I can, and admit shame for where I cannot.

 

But I'll be goddamned (literally I suppose) if I am going to prostate myself before the Christian God and beg for forgiveness for not having faith in the unbelievable. In fact, I think I need less forgiving for my sins than he does, based on a biblical reading. For focking with Job (because the devil dared him to basically) alone the Christian God deserves a b!tch slapping. Then you have ordering Abraham to kill his kid as a show of faith, flooding the earth and killing millions, the whole "pillar of salt" thing and any number of other overtly evil acts. That isn't even getting into his gross negligence in allowing hurricanes, disease, hunger, earthquakes, etc.

 

Man has much to be sorry for. But fock that guy. He can kiss my ass. If he exists, I'll go to hell proudly.

[parrot 789]

Since there were a couple of responses to you on this, but nobody really made an effort to explain this, I'll try.

 

God and Jesus Christ are one and the same. They are both part of the Triune God, made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God the Son (Jesus Christ) has always been the part of the Triune God to make Himself visible to humans throughout history.

 

Jesus Christ, or God the Son, was/is the creator of the Earth. This is supported by looking at several verses in the Bible in succession. Genesis 1:1, John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:1-2, and Colossians 1:16, when read together, clearly identify Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the creator of the Earth.

 

Since you state you are Atheist, I wouldn't expect you to know that so I thought I would try to explain that a bit further.

 

Clear as mud.

[jerryskids 6,789]

a lot of werds by somebody who doesn't care.

Many people, including many on this bored, believe in ghosts, hauntings, etc. I think that's a little nuts. I may argue why I think they are wrong, but I don't spew venom at them because of it.

 

I said I am fairly agnostic, but I am putting my 3 children through the Catholic sacraments. Hypocritical? Mebbe. I do it for multiple reasons:

1. I think it is important that they have a religious foundation from which to make their own decisions later (we've beaten that dead horse).

2. My family: My mom, bro, and BIL are all fairly devout Catholics. My mom, who lives in independent living, is legally blind, and hates travel, flew cross country for my daughters first holy communion.

3. There is a sense of community in a church.

[FeelingMN 273]

I have a serious question for you on the bolded part:

 

If there is a God as we describe, who is THE creator of the universe and everything living, then who are YOU to be skeptical of that?????? I'm not trying to flame you and I'm totally serious. If, for just a moment, we work under the premise that God does exist based on your statement, who the heck are you or any one of the rest of us to be skeptical of Him?? Or expect Him to be "understanding" of you because you're "far from a bad dude"??? What have you done that gives you the right to question or be skeptical of the Almighty Creator of the Universe??

 

Again, I'm not trying to flame you. I'm asking honest, but legitimate, questions based on your own statements.

 

 

What I'm skeptical of is other people's description of God. Why should I believe in other people's beliefs? Does this not rob me of my own beliefs? If there is a God, I contend He is so freaking complex no human being could approach an understanding of Him. And yet look at how many folks in this thread/country do just that. That's what I'm skeptical of.

[IronToe Nedney 0]

Man has much to be sorry for. But fock that guy. He can kiss my ass. If he exists, I'll go to hell proudly.

 

 

[Franknbeans 46]

My God has C cups

[parrot 789]

My God has C cups

 

Nice to hear we have a buddhist in our midst.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

This is what religious people don't seem to get...

 

No, we cannot, and never will, be able to disprove the existance of God.

 

But WE SHOULDN"T HAVE TO!

 

You are the ones that are asserting something exists, that he communicated with us through various prophets and begotten sons, and whatnot. The burden is on you to PROVE that he exists, not on everyone else to prove that he doesn't.

 

This is what I think too. I question religion and the system or good and bad it works under, doesn't mean I think everyone is stupid for being religous.

 

Most people who do not believe are less pushy on the subject. Those who do believe think somehow they are sure their way of thinking is right and absolute, while most non-believers just say "who knows".

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Nice to hear we have a buddhist in our midst.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

What I don't get about religous people is how they think their religion is the almighty one, and the right one. Their God is the only God. They say all of this without looking too far into any other religions.

 

What if a Christian grew up in a Muslim family and practiced Islam? A good portion would believe in Islam as the "right" religion.

 

To me it all comes down to where and how you were raised in many instances. If you have never explored all other religions than it is ridiculous to believe the one you chose is "right". I live near/on a Seneca Indian Reservation, their religion has the earth starting on a turtles back, just as believable as any other religion in my mind. The children here grew up with that religion and most now believe in it.

 

Its just foolish to me for someone to think one religion is the right one, with so many people on the earth, with so many religions.

[Durtee 0]

This is what I think too. I question religion and the system or good and bad it works under, doesn't mean I think everyone is stupid for being religous.

 

Most people who do not believe are less pushy on the subject. Those who do believe think somehow they are sure their way of thinking is right and absolute, while most non-believers just say "who knows".

 

How could someone believe in something, but not believe that they are right? Makes no sense. Most Christians know the truth, because they have a personal relationship with God. They are not believing in religion or practicing religion, they are having a relationship with their savior and that is between them and God. Just because you don't understand it or are afraid to understand it, does not make it wrong.

[wiffleball 4,790]

How could someone believe in something, but not believe that they are right? Makes no sense. Most Christians know the truth, because they have a personal relationship with God. They are not believing in religion or practicing religion, they are having a relationship with their savior and that is between them and God. Just because you don't understand it or are afraid to understand it, does not make it wrong.

 

The problem is too many of them try to expand that relationship and shape the world to their way of thinking. And I'm not just talking about the call to evangelize. It's crap like you see over at FBG. Look hon, that's great that you've been "saved" and all, but we're all grown-ups and we're going to cuss if we want to. These fockers are constantly on the FCC's jock any time someone says/shows anything 'naughty', they're constantly trying to convince OTHER people to have that same relationship - and looking down their noses at those that don't.

 

You can have a 'personal relationship with God' all day long, but when that relationship stops being 'personal' is when you can kiss my hind quarters.

[FeelingMN 273]

How could someone believe in something, but not believe that they are right? Makes no sense. Most Christians know the truth, because they have a personal relationship with God. They are not believing in religion or practicing religion, they are having a relationship with their savior and that is between them and God. Just because you don't understand it or are afraid to understand it, does not make it wrong.

 

But doesn't this work the other way too? Just because believers don't understand/are afraid of nonbelievers' perspectives, does that make them wrong?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

How could someone believe in something, but not believe that they are right? Makes no sense. Most Christians know the truth, because they have a personal relationship with God. They are not believing in religion or practicing religion, they are having a relationship with their savior and that is between them and God. Just because you don't understand it or are afraid to understand it, does not make it wrong.

 

Because you have a relationship with God, why do you think he is my God too?