***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[jvirne 0]

If there are only six candidates left and Jin and Sun are two of them, what's the speculation on who the other four are?

 

1 is either Jin or Sun, or possible both together. After all, Jacob visited them both on their wedding day. My bet is it's Jin as -

 

A. Sun wasn't taken off the second plane like Kate, Jack and Hurely were.

 

B. Jin survived a boat explosion, which may account for his being a candidate (much like Jack couldn't die last night)

 

HOLY CRAP - I just figured out why Ben could kill Jacob.

 

Only a candidate can kill Jacob.

 

Candidates can't be killed on the island. But Flocke tricked Locke, a candidate, into leaving the island. In LA, Ben killed him. They had to recreate the Oceanic flight as closely as possible to return. Locke's body took the place of Christian's body, and Ben Linus, hobbling and broken, took the place of the living Locke. So, in a sense, he unintentionally tricked the island into thinking he was Locke. Ben became a fake candidate, a loophole, thus allowing him to kill Jacob.

 

It's possible...

 

 

Anyhow, the other 5 real candidates are -

 

Sawyer

Sayid

Hurley

Kate

Jack

[CantTouchThis 23]

At first i was saying "Holy Filler episode" then Richard showed up saying he wanted to kill himself. So Jack and Richard can't kill themselves, and we all know via Michael(who WAS a candidate BTW, him or Walt) that simply means they have more work to do.

 

I think this also another confirmation that Christian is either tied with Jacob, or what i am think now is he is the Island itself in a form. Jacob and the Island worked together, but were 2 different entities. The Island is its own entity. Jacob was trapping MIB on the island because MIB will destroy the world if he were to leave, he is already gathering his minions. This sh1t is like biblical and sh1t, hardcore man.

 

Something that might get overlooked, though he may have said it in haste, was Richard told Hurley to "Not believe anything he says" when Hurley said he could talk to Jacob. I do think it was out of frustration, but who knows.

 

I DO NOT LIKE Wimpy Ben. I loved the flash sideways when he made his move for Principle, then he backed out. Ok, i understand why the writers did that, going with the whole "characters in the flash side-ways changed for the better" and Ben thinking about the better of someone else than his own power. Then island Ben not killing Ilana, giving up his power, he better eventually get back to manipulating and killing people.

 

I think the flash sideways will eventually converge and will turn into something major, right now they are just showing us the characters and the premise that they are better people in that timeline and so on. I think once they develop each character, we will see something major happening, either they coming back to the island, or a huge worm hole developing after Ben gets laid or something.

 

So, a pretty lame but quite interesting episode, we got some answers and some hints toward answers. I thought the periscope thing was kind of hokey, but we got who is coming to the island. I never even thought of Widmore actually, i like Charles a lot, he is a very intriguing character. He may not be the only one on the sub, and like i said, i would be surprised if Desmond doesn't come back to the island.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

1 is either Jin or Sun, or possible both together. After all, Jacob visited them both on their wedding day. My bet is it's Jin as -

 

Anyhow, the other 5 real candidates are -

 

Sawyer

Sayid

Hurley

Kate

Jack

 

 

 

Sayid being technically deaded might make him ineligible.

[CantTouchThis 23]

1 is either Jin or Sun, or possible both together. After all, Jacob visited them both on their wedding day.

 

Ok, Lack, go back and find out who he touched, who the fock did he touch!!!! I think he touched both if i remember correctly. If he did, i think that means that Sun and Jin getting back together is more than just a gross character development sequence, it could be key to the island. That is also further confirmation that Christian is an entity of the island, trying to get them back together. I know Mr.Lackman would not find this to be...good...but is it possible that all 6 of them are meant to protect the island?

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Ok, Lack, go back and find out who he touched, who the fock did he touch!!!! I think he touched both if i remember correctly. If he did, i think that means that Sun and Jin getting back together is more than just a gross character development sequence, it could be key to the island. That is also further confirmation that Christian is an entity of the island, trying to get them back together. I know Mr.Lackman would not find this to be...good...but is it possible that all 6 of them are meant to protect the island?

 

He definitely touched them both at the same time.

[jvirne 0]

I think the writers are trying so hard to portray Jacob as bad and Locke as good it comes across to me as a huge red herring. Just when you are finally convinced that MIB is good he will gut someone like a fish.

 

This.

[gocolts 300]

Ok, Lack, go back and find out who he touched, who the fock did he touch!!!! I think he touched both if i remember correctly. If he did, i think that means that Sun and Jin getting back together is more than just a gross character development sequence, it could be key to the island. That is also further confirmation that Christian is an entity of the island, trying to get them back together. I know Mr.Lackman would not find this to be...good...but is it possible that all 6 of them are meant to protect the island?

Sun=evil

Jin=good

 

show ends......

[The Moz 69]

Jacobs replacement is more than Likely Ben -- though things are pointing to jack

[Lackman 0]

117 - Linus (Roger, Ben, or Emily)

 

I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that Ben was a candidate. At some point. Emily never came to the island, other than as a MIB manifestation, and Roger was a drunk. Ben is crossed out at the cave and lighthouse. Before Jacob died.

 

If you reason that Ben can kill Jacob or take over the island because he is a candidate, you have to assume that crossed off candidates can do the same. Then, we have 360 candidates again, alive or dead, including Locke. But if it's to be MIB's replacement, OK, then we just don't know the rules to that yet.

 

Sorry for jumping in. I'm settling in to rewatch right now. At one point last night, I was baffled why I forgot about Ben. Then the whole remembering he was crossed out thing happened. Carry on.

[Lackman 0]

Ok, Lack, go back and find out who he touched, who the fock did he touch!!!! I think he touched both if i remember correctly. If he did, i think that means that Sun and Jin getting back together is more than just a gross character development sequence, it could be key to the island. That is also further confirmation that Christian is an entity of the island, trying to get them back together. I know Mr.Lackman would not find this to be...good...but is it possible that all 6 of them are meant to protect the island?

 

He touched both together. Jin and Sun have a new born off island. You would think they aren't going to abandon the child. What kind of ending would that be for middle America?

 

And I will assume that at some point, he touched every single candidate, using the Michael argument. You can't die until you serve Jacob's/the island's purpose.

 

Edit: Probably not mind blowing, but Richard doesn't age because he accepted one of these trendy "deal" with Jacob. For immortality. Because the other candidates age.

[jets24 6]

117 - Linus (Roger, Ben, or Emily)

 

I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that Ben was a candidate. At some point. Emily never came to the island, other than as a MIB manifestation, and Roger was a drunk. Ben is crossed out at the cave and lighthouse. Before Jacob died.

 

If you reason that Ben can kill Jacob or take over the island because he is a candidate, you have to assume that crossed off candidates can do the same. Then, we have 360 candidates again, alive or dead, including Locke. But if it's to be MIB's replacement, OK, then we just don't know the rules to that yet.

 

Sorry for jumping in. I'm settling in to rewatch right now. At one point last night, I was baffled why I forgot about Ben. Then the whole remembering he was crossed out thing happened. Carry on.

 

I'm so glad to see your intelligent posts. You are a smart man. I hope the writers of Lost are paying you a lot of money. Without your summary, the show would be less understandable.

[jvirne 0]

117 - Linus (Roger, Ben, or Emily)

 

I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that Ben was a candidate. At some point. Emily never came to the island, other than as a MIB manifestation, and Roger was a drunk. Ben is crossed out at the cave and lighthouse. Before Jacob died.

 

If you reason that Ben can kill Jacob or take over the island because he is a candidate, you have to assume that crossed off candidates can do the same. Then, we have 360 candidates again, alive or dead, including Locke. But if it's to be MIB's replacement, OK, then we just don't know the rules to that yet.

 

Dude -

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...t&p=4196370

 

That's how Ben was a "candidate." He's a fake candidate, so to speak.

[nobody 2,690]

I think that anybody could kill good ole Jacob. That's probably why he always worked through his emissary, Richard. I wonder if Jacob was the one that forced Ricahard to wear eye liner, as well. Richard would prevent anyone from seeing Jacob, but a candidate could probably always request a conference with him since they seem to have the run of the island. Since Linus was no longer a candidate for whatever reason (my quess is mass murder), he couldn't request to see Jakey-poo. Flocke appears as dead Locke once his body is back on the island, assumes leadership of the clan, and demands to see Jacob. Richard doesn't like that idea one bit and tries to discourage it, but he knows it's the candidates right, so he takes Locke to him not knowing it's actually Locke's evil twin Flocke. Meanwhile, Flocke has been setting up Linus as the patsy ever since the Ajira flight landed.

[jets24 6]

Do you not see how twitchy Linus is when he is running? He looked like he was running the 100 yard dash at the Special Olympics . No way Llana could get a clear shot.

 

That made me really laugh. He was running so queer!

[jvirne 0]

I think that anybody could kill good ole Jacob. That's probably why he always worked through his emissary, Richard. I wonder if Jacob was the one that forced Ricahard to wear eye liner, as well. Richard would prevent anyone from seeing Jacob, but a candidate could probably always request a conference with him since they seem to have the run of the island. Since Linus was no longer a candidate for whatever reason (my quess is mass murder), he couldn't request to see Jakey-poo. Flocke appears as dead Locke once his body is back on the island, assumes leadership of the clan, and demands to see Jacob. Richard doesn't like that idea one bit and tries to discourage it, but he knows it's the candidates right, so he takes Locke to him not knowing it's actually Locke's evil twin Flocke. Meanwhile, Flocke has been setting up Linus as the patsy ever since the Ajira flight landed.

 

It's quite explicit that Jacob's enemy needed to find a loophole to kill him. Just before he was murdered, Ben was identified as the loophole.

[CantTouchThis 23]

BTW Richard doesn't use eye liner. I think in the season 5 DVD set they have a special where they followed the actor that plays Richard during a film day. They actually put some eye liner to lighten his eyes, they are just really dark naturally. So, he does where some but to actually lighten his eyes.

[kutulu 1,680]

So is Widmore the person Jacob was referring to when he said someone was coming to the Island? Or is someone else coming or is there someone else on the sub...Desmond? Where is the sub headed? To the Hydra station?

[supermike80 1,925]

Well, I think Richard goes WAYYYYYY back..even before the Black Rock.

[The Moz 69]

Well, I think Richard goes WAYYYYYY back..even before the Black Rock.

 

 

ummmmmmm was kinda said he was from the black rock last episode

[supermike80 1,925]

ummmmmmm was kinda said he was from the black rock last episode

 

He did? Oh ok...Must have missed that.

 

When he said he was on the island longer than Jack could possibly imagine, I figured the black rock was imaginable.

[The Moz 69]

Widemore is working with MIB and the Sub is MIB's way off the Island. He viewed the beach goers as insignifigant since Jacob is dead - much like MIB is doing as well. The man that is coming is Desmond.

 

From the flash sideways it made it look like Des was the new Jacob - personally i hope it's Jack but that might be too obvious.

 

Still no clue the role of the alt reaality

[RLLD 4,249]

Walt is the new Jacob, Aaron is the new evil....

[RLLD 4,249]

I keep going back to the very early episodes where Ben is clearly more "in tune" with time. he keeps saying that he(they) are the "good guys". At that point we can either assume that they are indeed "good" or simply believe their position is "good" but the island either no longer agrees, or perhaps never did.

 

Then perhaps players like Rousseau were players caught in the middle (like Kate between Jack and Sawyer) who can never figure out just who is what.

 

In a game where the sides are clearly delineated its these variables like Kate and Rousseau who ultimately tip the balance, with each side trying to sway them.

 

As such I think we see the lines becoming ever more clear, and Kate becomes the deciding factor.

 

[cbfalcon 825]

In a game where the sides are clearly delineated its these variables like Kate and Rousseau who ultimately tip the balance, with each side trying to sway them.

 

I mostly agree. When trapped on an island with such a poon shortage, getting the girls to join your side will always be the top priority.

[RLLD 4,249]

I mostly agree. When trapped on an island with such a poon shortage, getting the girls to join your side will always be the top priority.

 

 

Getting kate would be me ultimate goal....

[nobody 2,690]

It's quite explicit that Jacob's enemy needed to find a loophole to kill him. Just before he was murdered, Ben was identified as the loophole.

 

How was Ben identified as a loophole? We don't even know what the loophole was, or what laws he was trying to circumvent using a loophole. I'm sure we never will since it's all about developing the characters. :slowjerk:

[RicemanX 20]

Getting kate would be me ultimate goal....

http://img.listal.com/image/236402/600full...eline-lilly.jpg

 

me too.

[kutulu 1,680]

I wanna see Claire running down the beach in a skimpy bikini with a jogging stroller and polar bear skull baby. Batshit crazy MILF

[CantTouchThis 23]

He did? Oh ok...Must have missed that.

 

When he said he was on the island longer than Jack could possibly imagine, I figured the black rock was imaginable.

 

Richard said "Funny, after all these years, this is my first time BACK"....so yeah it was confirmed he was from the Black Rock. The Black Rock looks like a REALLY old ship, at least 15th century or before even, same time or before Columbus's era.

 

Also, the way he looked at the chains, he very well could've been a slave.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I wanna see Claire running down the beach in a skimpy bikini with a jogging stroller and polar bear skull baby. Batshit crazy MILF

 

similar to this

[td parker 1]

The Black Rock looks like a REALLY old ship, at least 15th century or before even, same time or before Columbus's era.

 

I got the impression BlackRock was similar to the picture of the East India Trading Company Ship on the cover of the book he was reading Alex during the tutoring session. I believe he said a date late 1700s early 1800s, but agree with you the ship looks older than that time period, just too big of a coincidental reference for me to think it isn't East India Trading Company now..

[nobody 2,690]

Maybe he was a prisoner on the ship.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I got the impression BlackRock was similar to the picture of the East India Trading Company Ship on the cover of the book he was reading Alex during the tutoring session. I believe he said a date late 1700s early 1800s, but agree with you the ship looks older than that time period, just too big of a coincidental reference for me to think it isn't East India Trading Company now..

 

Nice catch, yeah it's probably something similar to that. You have to figure the ship can't be from before the 15th century because i believe that is when explorers really started to sail the world, and that is really the only way the island could of been found back then. Then again polynesians way back in the early ADs and late BCs would sail around that area and island hop, but the ship look considerably past that time.

 

ETA: I just remembered that Widmore won the lost book on the ship and we do know where it's from and how long ago it crashed....The black rock.. 18/19th century . It set sail in 1845 from English and was lost at sea ever since, so you figure Richard is around 200 years old.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I got the impression BlackRock was similar to the picture of the East India Trading Company Ship on the cover of the book he was reading Alex during the tutoring session. I believe he said a date late 1700s early 1800s, but agree with you the ship looks older than that time period, just too big of a coincidental reference for me to think it isn't East India Trading Company now..

 

If Latin was spoken aboard EITC ships it would make sense that Richard and "The Others" know Latin fluently.

[jvirne 0]

ETA: I just remembered that Widmore won the lost book on the ship and we do know where it's from and how long ago it crashed....The black rock.. 18/19th century . It set sail in 1845 from England and was lost at sea ever since, so you figure Richard is around 200 years old.

 

I just put something together.

 

When Locke (real one) time traveled to the 1950s, all the Others spoke with distinct English accents. This includes an 18 year old Whitmore and Eloise.

 

I always wondered why they spoke with such English accents. I figured at some point the writers would explain how that group came to the island.

 

Now I get it: they are all descendants of the English Black Rock. So the beach scene that opened Season 6 wasn't just Richard coming to the island, it was the entire group of Others - the 'natives' coming to the island. Richard was just the one charged with advising them through the generations.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Emerson's already come out and said that there will be an episode aired this season that doesn't contain ANY of the main actors.

 

Sounds like a Richard-Only episode to me! And with Widmore reappearing, I'm going to venture to say that the story goes like this:

 

Richard wasn't a slave. He was first mate (Widmore bought the first mate's journal, remember? Perhaps this is how he found the Island again...). Why the chains reference? Well I'll venture to say that he led a failed mutiny...but why? Was he for or against coming to this mysterious Island?

 

Quoting myself since we're back on Richard - Black Rock discussion.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I just put something together.

 

When Locke (real one) time traveled to the 1950s, all the Others spoke with distinct English accents. This includes an 18 year old Whitmore and Eloise.

 

I always wondered why they spoke with such English accents. I figured at some point the writers would explain how that group came to the island.

 

Now I get it: they are all descendants of the English Black Rock. So the beach scene that opened Season 6 wasn't just Richard coming to the island, it was the entire group of Others - the 'natives' coming to the island. Richard was just the one charged with advising them through the generations.

 

Maybe, it was confirmed when whats-her-face had Ethan that you could have babies on the island before a certain point. Maybe MIB was the one who prevent mom's from birthing? I don't know, i am willing to bet we will find out in a couple weeks.

[supermike80 1,925]

I get the impression, still, that hes older than that.

 

Is it possible Richard was on the island, left somehow, and came back on the Black Rock in chains?

[pimptastic69 0]

I get the impression, still, that hes older than that.

 

Is it possible Richard was on the island, left somehow, and came back on the Black Rock in chains?

 

I always figured that Richard would be the tie-in to all the Egyptian crap. That would be cool if he was like 4000 years old.

[jets24 6]

I have visions that toward the last episode, Richard is going "age" right before our eyes and basically turn to dust. That would be kinda cool.