The Rage Is Not About Health Care

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Uhhhh, here's a tip for you.....saying that someone who is on your side "won this thread" doesn't hold a bit of water. Sorry. Wish it were that easy, then simpletons like you might actually be declared a winner once in a while. I'm pretty sure that guys like posty or Flahawker or Jeeryskids or NothernVike probably think YOU win a lot of threads. That's because you all spew the same nonsense. NAturdally, you're going to declare one of the other parrots to be victorious. Duuuuuhhhhhhh.

For a rare moment, I must concur with RP. Not because I agree with him, but because BLS did win this. He simply stated why he was mad, and it is far closer to the truth than the article if not completely the truth.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Uhhhh, here's a tip for you.....saying that someone who is on your side "won this thread" doesn't hold a bit of water. Sorry. Wish it were that easy, then simpletons like you might actually be declared a winner once in a while. I'm pretty sure that guys like posty or Flahawker or Jeeryskids or NothernVike probably think YOU win a lot of threads. That's because you all spew the same nonsense. NAturdally, you're going to declare one of the other parrots to be victorious. Duuuuuhhhhhhh.

 

 

 

 

I guess we could leave that call up to some knucklehead who pays no attention to current events, doesn't watch the news, and regularly tries to pass himself off as having a clue.....only to be beaten about the head and neck on a daily basis.

 

You have enough free time avoiding information to perform the task, Lumpy?

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Uhhhh, here's a tip for you.....saying that someone who is on your side "won this thread" doesn't hold a bit of water. Sorry. Wish it were that easy, then simpletons like you might actually be declared a winner once in a while. I'm pretty sure that guys like posty or Flahawker or Jeeryskids or NothernVike probably think YOU win a lot of threads. That's because you all spew the same nonsense. NAturdally, you're going to declare one of the other parrots to be victorious. Duuuuuhhhhhhh.

I made your list! Ya big lug

[NewbieJr 541]

I made your list! Ya big lug

Aaahhhh, you're kinda growing on me.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I believe most people thought I was NUTS when I suggested this very same thing 2 years ago.

Now it's not so unbelievable is it?

 

Obama scares me too JK. More than I ever thought I should've been.

He PLOWED through a trillion dollar bill in the middle of the worst recession 99% of Americans have ever seen.

And then had the audacity to suggest that spending must be controlled.

 

Government is out of control.

 

Do you realize how fockin' nuts you two guys sound? Obama "scares" you? Because you don't agree with his policies? Basically you guys are taking a political disagreement and turning it into some personal focking attack on your own personal well being. What scares ME is that there are others like you out there--fueled every day by right-wing talk radio and now Republican politicians--who won't just sit behind their computers and complain on an internet message board.

[NewbieJr 541]

Do you realize how fockin' nuts you two guys sound? Obama "scares" you? Because you don't agree with his policies? Basically you guys are taking a political disagreement and turning it into some personal focking attack on your own personal well being. What scares ME is that there are others like you out there--fueled every day by right-wing talk radio and now Republican politicians--who won't just sit behind their computers and complain on an internet message board.

They allow themselves to be so focking brainwashed by these radical radio/TV dooshbags that they honestly think Obama wants this to be a communist country someday.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Do you realize how fockin' nuts you two guys sound? Obama "scares" you? Because you don't agree with his policies? Basically you guys are taking a political disagreement and turning it into some personal focking attack on your own personal well being. What scares ME is that there are others like you out there--fueled every day by right-wing talk radio and now Republican politicians--who won't just sit behind their computers and complain on an internet message board.

 

 

Personally, the radical direction he is taking the country is what scares me.

 

Has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin, his muslim sounding name, or the D after his name.........it's about his policies.

 

Guys on your side have to resort to one of the 3 things in the previous sentence, and completely ignore the policies of this administration. Nobody, and I mean nobody, on your side starts thread (or even posts in threads) outlining the positive things this administration has done since taking office.

 

Yeah, he jambed a bill down the throats of America despite the vast majority of America being against it. It took bribes, backroom deals, and some really fukked up "accounting" to get it done..............and this is his great accomplishment to you guys.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Do you realize how fockin' nuts you two guys sound? Obama "scares" you? Because you don't agree with his policies? Basically you guys are taking a political disagreement and turning it into some personal focking attack on your own personal well being. What scares ME is that there are others like you out there--fueled every day by right-wing talk radio and now Republican politicians--who won't just sit behind their computers and complain on an internet message board.

Well here goes another one. Medstudent is Dr. Literal, we will name you General Literal.

 

Dude, by 'scared' they don't mean that they are laying underneath their bed shivering with fright. They mean they are fearful for the direction of the country. They are fearful that the economy will get worse.

 

Try to have some perspective and context for the love of the baby Jesus.

 

If I said I hope West Virginia beats the crap out of Duke, I don't mean for Bob Huggins to walk over and punch Coack K in the face and stomp on him.

 

The fact this needs to be explained is frightening.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

They allow themselves to be so focking brainwashed by these radical radio/TV dooshbags that they honestly think Obama wants this to be a communist country someday.

 

The knucklehead Nubbie chimes in to prove my point. If you don't agree with Obama you are brainwashed by some person on the radio.

 

It's comical.

[NewbieJr 541]

The knucklehead Nubbie chimes in to prove my point. If you don't agree with Obama you are brainwashed by some person on the radio.

 

It's comical.

Hell, I've disagreed with plenty of politicians over teh years, but I've never used words like "scared" or "socialism".

 

You whiny drama queens are hilarious.

[Drizzay 722]

And this is why I won't be voting for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Hell, I've disagreed with plenty of politicians over teh years, but I've never used words like "scared" or "socialism".

 

So you have disagreed with plenty of politicians............just none where "socialist" applied.................

 

There's a shocker.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Where was all the media outrage when this was going on? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...esbP4lozvZ2xx2w

[gocolts 300]

Where was all the media outrage when this was going on? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...esbP4lozvZ2xx2w

[MDC 7,444]

What does questioning someone's birthplace have to do with the color of their skin?

 

It doesn't, but the fact that the rumor gained traction and the birthers keep questioning it more than a year after the issue was conclusively put to rest, seems to me that they're determined to make Obama out to be some kind of "other," and I think it's based largely on the color of his skin. Like I said, John McCain actually wasn't born within the United States but no one is demanding proof of his citizenship.

 

For the record, I'm not saying you or anyone else here is racist or even that the birthers have a racist intent, but you're in denial if you think there isn't that element out there. Jackie Robinson got death threats for being the first African American ballplayer in the major leagues. Is it really that much of a stretch to think there are people who are reflexively opposed to the first non-white president?

[jerryskids 6,800]

Do you realize how fockin' nuts you two guys sound? Obama "scares" you? Because you don't agree with his policies? Basically you guys are taking a political disagreement and turning it into some personal focking attack on your own personal well being. What scares ME is that there are others like you out there--fueled every day by right-wing talk radio and now Republican politicians--who won't just sit behind their computers and complain on an internet message board.

Holy crap you are a retard. I stated what scares me, laid out a scenario, admitted that it was tinfoilhat-ish, and hoped I was wrong, and from that you gather that I'm oiling my uzi? I don't even own a gun btw, although I plan to change that, but not to proactively attack anyone.

 

That being said, you are right in one respect: I don't plan to just "sit behind my computer and complain." My wife is way more avid about this than I am, and she plans to contribute her time (significant web/db experience) to the republican race in our AZ district 5, where Harry Mitchell (spineless Dem pawn for Pelosi who should never have been elected, long story) is up for re-election this November. Probably for David Schweikert, the frontrunner with whom we agree on a lot of issues.

[BLS 314]

Where was all the media outrage when this was going on? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...esbP4lozvZ2xx2w

 

 

That's some hardcore ownership right there.

 

And this is what I meant by "be consistent".

[BLS 314]

Holy crap you are a retard. I stated what scares me, laid out a scenario, admitted that it was tinfoilhat-ish, and hoped I was wrong, and from that you gather that I'm oiling my uzi? I don't even own a gun btw, although I plan to change that, but not to proactively attack anyone.

 

That being said, you are right in one respect: I don't plan to just "sit behind my computer and complain." My wife is way more avid about this than I am, and she plans to contribute her time (significant web/db experience) to the republican race in our AZ district 5, where Harry Mitchell (spineless Dem pawn for Pelosi who should never have been elected, long story) is up for re-election this November. Probably for David Schweikert, the frontrunner with whom we agree on a lot of issues.

 

 

Let me know if you need suggestions on a weapon. I'd be happy to go over your options based on your needs/desired expense.

[Lackman 0]

Aaahhhh, you're kinda growing on me.

 

I'd prefer to see tumors growing on you.

[Voltaire 5,317]

I'll address many of the points brought up by the boreds "left".

 

The rage is very much, VERY fuckin real. However it is NOT about racism, it's not about Health Care, it's not about Obama, Pelosi or Reid.

It's not about Palin and other so called 'Republican Leaders' trying to insinuate we 'reload' or spit on Congressmen or join the Tea Party.

 

It's about being enormously upset with government in general. The conservatives we elected in 2000-2002 were supposed to address most of this; to stop the spending and address the debt. Instead, what we really got was 2 wars, substantial deficit spending, lies from government and another entitlement (Medicare part D). MOST....or at least a good chunk...of Conservatives (voters..not politicians) KNOW we are broke and have known it since the late 80s. The country was fed up with Bush and the Republicans and voted in Dems overwhelmingly in 2006 with the hopes that the wars would end, and some sanity and accountability would appear in Washington. It did not and overall, Congress' approval rate since has been DISMAL.

 

Conservatives have ideas on how to fix Health Care (competition for one).

Conservatives have ideas on how to address the debt, education, growing crime rates, growing radicals, etc.

Unfortunately none of our fuckin "conservative" leaders can get their heads out of their asses.

Now, I for one APPLAUD them for standing in line and fighting this bill. But for reasons different than what most of you will believe for some reason.

It's not because it helps people that we don't want it. It's because it does two things we don't believe in.

1. It means more government control.

2. It IS going to cost us money....it will NOT save us ANY money. That's my opinion, and that's based on my research and a general trackrecord of about 80 years of fuckin failure in everything they touch.

 

NOT ONE Conservative idea was implemented in the bill, even though Obama PROMISED to be bipartisan.

Had he offered to open Health Insurance across state lines (another bullsh1t government law designed to INCREASE costs), they would have gotten some Republican votes in the house and/or Senate.

 

Now you can argue till you're blue in the face about whether opening up state lines would FIX anything, but NOBODY can give me a fuckin reason NOT to at least try it along with what the Dems passed.

 

Conservatives are extremely upset that this many people can call about TARP, the Stimulus Package and now Health Care and they don't listen.

Our government, for the first time in our history is NOT listening to those who consent to allow them to govern.

 

Most Conservatives believe that we MUST abide by the Constitution. Most Constitutional lawyers will easily say that this law is unConstitutional.

The interstate commerce clause does NOT encapsulate this because this insurance is required to protect YOU, not other liabilities.

There is no other provision in the Constitution that allows the Federal Government to REQUIRES you to purchase a SERVICE.

 

This bill is MONUMENTAL in the history of this country from a Freedom vs Tyranny standpoint. And THAT is why right now is a VERY scary time.

This bill, if held up by SCOTUS, will likely incite riots and mass civil disobedience and it's important you understand why.

Once they establish control of this aspect of your life, they ultimately have the ability to tell you what you can eat, drink, smoke, when you have to work out, etc. It opens a whole other world. And while NONE of this has been established yet, history proves that tryanny is never en masse. It is always taken slowly.

 

If you guys were to go over to democraticunderground.com and goto the general forums you'd see the equivalent of .

If you guys were to go over ar15.com and goto General Discussion you'd see the equivalient of

And for those who inquire about Romney's passing of Health Care; there's a reason he didn't win the GOP Primary.

The guy is KNOWN for being a fuckin RINO. Look up his votes on assault weapons, abortion and health care.

 

Oh and for you who think Mass. health care is working out, I'll just leave this here.

 

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[/color]So what are we mad about?

We know it isn't going to work, you've just given government complete control of our lives (tyranny), it will probably decrease the quality of care and it will accelerate our economic demise.

 

Whether you believe any of what I said or not is not the point. That is up for debate.

You asked why we're mad. Now you know, and if you think you've seen the last of people expressing their displeasure via means that are less than polite, I suggest you keep an eye on the economy and unemployment/benefits.

 

We're nowhere near the end of these times and a significant portion is the EXACT SAME ARROGANCE THAT THE DEMS CONDEMNED WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE IS BEING USED BY OBAMA AND COMPANY. If you're gonna call a spade a spade, you should at least stay consistent.

 

Conservatives are mad at BOTH parties.

 

BLS, your rant is great. Thank You. I've read it twice. Excellent points.

[BLS 314]

BLS, your rant is great. Thank You. I've read it twice. Excellent points.

 

 

That's worth two

[Know Doubt 0]

That's worth two

 

 

Make it three buddy.

[posty 2,702]

Where was all the media outrage when this was going on? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=...esbP4lozvZ2xx2w

 

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[GutterBoy 2,899]

It doesn't, but the fact that the rumor gained traction and the birthers keep questioning it more than a year after the issue was conclusively put to rest, seems to me that they're determined to make Obama out to be some kind of "other," and I think it's based largely on the color of his skin. Like I said, John McCain actually wasn't born within the United States but no one is demanding proof of his citizenship.

 

For the record, I'm not saying you or anyone else here is racist or even that the birthers have a racist intent, but you're in denial if you think there isn't that element out there. Jackie Robinson got death threats for being the first African American ballplayer in the major leagues. Is it really that much of a stretch to think there are people who are reflexively opposed to the first non-white president?

 

People were asking for John McCain to provide proof of his citizenship during the election, at the same time the birther thing started. You better believe that if McCain one, it would still go on. How long did people demand proof of W's military service? You're way off base.

 

I'm not going to deny that racism exists, it's everywhere, in all political parties, all parts of the country. I'm sure there are people that object to Obama because he's black. I'm just not going to take the illogical next step to say that most people oppose him because of this.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm just not going to take the illogical next step to say that most people oppose him because of this.

The one thing out of any and all of this that actually does piss me off for real is this. Do a small portion of folks vote against Obama based on skin color? Absolutely. Conversely, a portion of people voted FOR him him based on skin color alone as well. So I cancel all that out. Whatever.

 

What really gets under my skin is when you disagree with this administration politcally. You disagree with the issues, and when you do the race card is played. That burns my hide. I dislike Pelosi and Ried just as much as Obama and Barney Frank. I dislike them all because they're ultra liberal; Not beause they are black or white or ghey or tall or short or a woman or whatthefockever.

 

So media and Democrats you listening? Debate the issues and stay on topic. Quit trying to deflect to the lowest common denominator. TIA

[NewbieJr 541]

You disagree with the issues, and when you do the race card is played. That burns my hide.

Yeah, but how many retards like to call him Osama or Hussein when they disagree with issues? Where do you think that comes from?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Yeah, but how many retards like to call him Osama or Hussein when they disagree with issues? Where do you think that comes from?

 

 

Obama/Osama is a common mixup, lots of people, supporters and haters have said this. Hussein is his middle name. I'll give you the fact that some people will say this stuff because they disagree with him, but I fail to see how that's racist. What's racist is when people call him HNIC or monkey or towelhead.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

I'm not going to deny that racism exists, it's everywhere, in all political parties, all parts of the country. I'm sure there are people that object to Obama because he's black. I'm just not going to take the illogical next step to say that most people oppose him because of this.

 

 

All I want to know is....When do the rest of us get the white half of Obama

[KSB2424 3,148]

Yeah, but how many retards like to call him Osama or Hussein when they disagree with issues? Where do you think that comes from?

His actual middle name is Hussein. His last name is Obama. Kinda easy no?

 

Good Lord. People disagreed with Bush and instead of making up names they outright called him stupid and made up signs calling to kill the damn man. If people did that with Obama the media would go apeshit crazy.

 

In other words grow up and stop thinking everybody in the world is named Flawhawker or Recliner Pilot.

[posty 2,702]

Obama/Osama is a common mixup, lots of people, supporters and haters have said this. Hussein is his middle name. I'll give you the fact that some people will say this stuff because they disagree with him, but I fail to see how that's racist.

 

Ted Kennedy even called him Osama...

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Hussein is his middle name.

 

 

This FACT is lost on the left.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, there is nothing wrong with hating those heathen mutherfuckingsonofabitches that attacked us on 9/11

[GutterBoy 2,899]

His actual middle name is Hussein. His last name is Obama. Kinda easy no?

 

Good Lord. People disagreed with Bush and instead of making up names they outright called him stupid and made up signs calling to kill the damn man. If people did that with Obama the media would go apeshit crazy.

 

In other words grow up and stop thinking everybody in the world is named Flawhawker or Recliner Pilot.

 

For 8 years we heard President Chimpy, monkey man, Hitler, Buck Fush, you name it. What we're seeing these days with Obama hasn't come close to this yet. It's just interpreted differently. Everyone treats Obama with kid gloves because he's black, I'm tired of it.

[NewbieJr 541]

Obama/Osama is a common mixup, lots of people, supporters and haters have said this. Hussein is his middle name.

 

If you're dumb enough to think it's a mistake when people type Osama then you're a perfect Sanctuary candidate. And do you REALLY think anyone would use his middle name if it was John? I have never seen a Democrat call him that. Come on, smarten up a little.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

 

If you're dumb enough to think it's a mistake when people type Osama then you're a perfect Sanctuary candidate. And do you REALLY think anyone would use his middle name if it was John? I have never seen a Democrat call him that. Come on, smarten up a little.

 

 

 

Also Presidents use their middle names. W. William Jefferson Clinton. Come on.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

 

If you're dumb enough to think it's a mistake when people type Osama then you're a perfect Sanctuary candidate. And do you REALLY think anyone would use his middle name if it was John? I have never seen a Democrat call him that. Come on, smarten up a little.

 

 

Really. It's not like anyone called Bush43 "W"

[Strike 5,556]

 

 

Also Presidents use their middle names. W. William Jefferson Clinton. Come on.

 

Kennedy was a racist. Duh!!!!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Here's Chris Matthews, a man that has an Obama ###### that he pleasures himself with every night, making the same mistake

 

 

Newbie, you really wanna argue this point?

[surferskin 30]

 

If you're dumb enough to think it's a mistake when people type Osama then you're a perfect Sanctuary candidate. And do you REALLY think anyone would use his middle name if it was John? I have never seen a Democrat call him that. Come on, smarten up a little.

Good gawd, you're an idiot. You've never heard president called by his full name before Obama? Wait...don't answer...you don't watch the news, I forgot.

[NewbieJr 541]

Here's Chris Matthews, a man that has an Obama ###### that he pleasures himself with every night, making the same mistake

 

 

Newbie, you really wanna argue this point?

I'm not saying that an actual mistake has never been made, but when one of the Republitools on this board types out 'Osama', it's not a mistake. And using his middle name is "supposed" to make a correlation between him and the Iraqi dooshbag. Are you really denying that? It's the same as calling Brandon Jacobs, Brenda. Well, from an originality standpoint anyway.

[NewbieJr 541]

Good gawd, you're an idiot. You've never heard president called by his full name before Obama? Wait...don't answer...you don't watch the news, I forgot.

Hey, it's shirtless cuunt boy.