parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 So the half-man is going to team up with Daenarys? That'll be awesome! And isn't Arya headed their way as well? Arya is headed to Braavos which is across the sea, but is way north of where Tyrion is in Pentos, which is also pretty far north and well west of Mereen, where Daenarys is. If the map from the books applies to the show, it's farther from Braavos to Mereen, than from Winterfell to King's Landing, which we know is a considerable distance in that world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 I read that the fat nerdy slob is basically going to abandon the books as there is no way in hell he will finish before the TV series does. HBO is not waiting around for him Link? I swear to God if he doesn't finish the series, I will fly to England... Door. Face. Wife. Kids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 Link? I swear to God if he doesn't finish the series, I will fly to England... Door. Face. Wife. Kids. you're going to blow him, in the doorway, and let him cvm in your face, in front of his wife and kids? not into road head? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 you're going to blow him, in the doorway, and let him cvm in your face, in front of his wife and kids? not into road head? PUNCH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 Link? I swear to God if he doesn't finish the series, I will fly to England... Door. Face. Wife. Kids. Actually I seem to recall reading that he was NOT going to write a show episode this year because he wants to concentrate on the book. Bittersweet. His episodes were always well written, but one less distraction is a good thing. http://www.ew.com/article/2014/07/26/why-george-r-r-martin-wont-write-a-thrones-episode-this-season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quickolas1 80 Posted April 13, 2015 I'm really not sure how I feel about the whole thing. I cant believe an author is going to let other writers show us what is and is not important in HIS epic series before he publishes his works. Seems crazy to me. Example: scene from last season which isnt in the books (spoiler alert): http://io9.com/this-accidental-game-of-thrones-spoiler-just-changed-1568796246 was the horn talked about in season 4? i cant remember. the 2 horns/lore (Wall, Iron Islands) seem pretty important to Martin's final confrontation of fire vs ice... are we even getting them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 PUNCH! you like a good Donkey Punch, do ya? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 I cant believe an author is going to let other writers show us what is and is not important in HIS epic series before he publishes his works. Seems crazy to me.Example: scene from last season which isnt in the books (spoiler alert):http://io9.com/this-accidental-game-of-thrones-spoiler-just-changed-1568796246 was the horn talked about in season 4? i cant remember. the 2 horns/lore (Wall, Iron Islands) seem pretty important to Martin's final confrontation of fire vs ice... are we even getting them? Yes... it does seem like it's turning into quite the clusterfock. And I'm horribly afraid the whole thing is going to be ruined. I don't think the horn has been mentioned yet, and I don't think Mance Rayder's baby has been a part of the story either, right? And I'm still not happy with the watered down version of Danny's prophecy that we got in the House of the Undying. I guess it all comes down to which rumor is correct. Has Martin mapped the whole thing out with Benioff and Weiss, and they're just weeding some of the storylines out, or are they flying by the seat of their pants. I have lost some respect for old George. He had one job at the start of this whole thing (to finish before the show caught up) and he failed miserably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 I cant believe an author is going to let other writers show us what is and is not important in HIS epic series before he publishes his works. Seems crazy to me. What the fock else is he going to do? "Hey, would you guys mind tapping the breaks and putting the series on hiatus for the next 10 years?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 Yes... it does seem like it's turning into quite the clusterfock. And I'm horribly afraid the whole thing is going to be ruined. I don't think the horn has been mentioned yet, and I don't think Mance Rayder's baby has been a part of the story either, right? And I'm still not happy with the watered down version of Danny's prophecy that we got in the House of the Undying. I guess it all comes down to which rumor is correct. Has Martin mapped the whole thing out with Benioff and Weiss, and they're just weeding some of the storylines out, or are they flying by the seat of their pants. I have lost some respect for old George. He had one job at the start of this whole thing (to finish before the show caught up) and he failed miserably. They aren't flying by the seat of their pants. He has at least given them the broad-strokes of where the story is headed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 They aren't flying by the seat of their pants. He has at least given them the broad-strokes of where the story is headed. Yeah, I don't believe this is Lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 They aren't flying by the seat of their pants. He has at least given them the broad-strokes of where the story is headed. So why does it seem like Martin is doing everything he can to stall writing, if he's got such a great handle on how it ends. Remember, he had a good chunk of WoW previously written, at the end of ADWD. He's either lazy as fock, or not as sure about ending it as he'd like us to believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 So why does it seem like Martin is doing everything he can to stall writing, if he's got such a great handle on how it ends. Remember, he had a good chunk of WoW previously written, at the end of ADWD. He's either lazy as fock, or not as sure about ending it as he'd like us to believe. I think he's kind of known a rough end-game from the very beginning, if he's to be believed. But there's many a slip between a cup and a lip. You ever go to his blog? If you haven't, don't. Trust me. He's got so much sh!t going on besides finishing ASoIaF it will drive you insane as a fan waiting on the books. And I take the fact that he released another chapter of WoW - after he said he wouldn't - as a bad sign. They've already said nothing this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're not looking at 2017. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 13, 2015 So why does it seem like Martin is doing everything he can to stall writing, if he's got such a great handle on how it ends. Remember, he had a good chunk of WoW previously written, at the end of ADWD. He's either lazy as fock, or not as sure about ending it as he'd like us to believe. Frozen by exploding expectations. No matter what he writes the books will never live up to all the hype created by the show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted April 13, 2015 Spoiler alert: I know what happens: Almost all of the characters die and are replaced by other charachters. At the end a bunch of different people are trying to be the one who sits on the throne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 I am still very unhappy with the recast of Daario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quickolas1 80 Posted April 13, 2015 What the fock else is he going to do? "Hey, would you guys mind tapping the breaks and putting the series on hiatus for the next 10 years?" Write the books. He can't fit everything in, he has to move huge sections to diff books, had to split books 4/5, might need an 8th book to finish... he is a mess. Since it takes him 6(?!) years to publish an installment... he has no chance at successfully telling his story/version as HBO cuts out entire storylines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 can't he just tell HBO what the end game is and they can figure it out on their own? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 13, 2015 Yeah, I don't believe this is Lost. Believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 Personally, I think I'm kinda rooting for a divergence between the show and the books. That way nothing gets spoiled, and the show stays fresh. As long as it doesn't influence Martin's writing... I guess that's the best possible outcome we can wish for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 13, 2015 Does HBO have cart blanche to do as they wish? does tubby have to sign off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 Does HBO have cart blanche to do as they wish? Would have to see the contract between Martin and HBO to answer this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quickolas1 80 Posted April 13, 2015 If the ending is roughly the same (how could it not be?) and the TV show gets there in its own way(s) before the books are published... ...he has lost his story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 Does HBO have cart blanche to do as they wish? does tubby have to sign off? Just happened to see this this morning... Game of Thrones season 5: George RR Martin hints at upcoming deaths but admits he has 'no right to veto' anything George RR Martin has a reputation for being merciless when it comes to killing off characters in his books. But the A Song of Ice and Fire author has confirmed he has “no right to veto or approve” anything that happens in corresponding TV series, Game of Thrones. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-5-george-rr-martin-hints-at-upcoming-deaths-but-admits-he-has-no-right-to-veto-anything-10172289.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 I'm so excited about it!! I hope you guys come here and comment after you watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfNYdO--RA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted April 13, 2015 Yes... it does seem like it's turning into quite the clusterfock. And I'm horribly afraid the whole thing is going to be ruined. I don't think the horn has been mentioned yet, and I don't think Mance Rayder's baby has been a part of the story either, right? And I'm still not happy with the watered down version of Danny's prophecy that we got in the House of the Undying. I guess it all comes down to which rumor is correct. Has Martin mapped the whole thing out with Benioff and Weiss, and they're just weeding some of the storylines out, or are they flying by the seat of their pants. I have lost some respect for old George. He had one job at the start of this whole thing (to finish before the show caught up) and he failed miserably. I was kind of like when I heard this season they were morphing books 4 & 5 with some of 6 which isn't out yet but apparently George has told them what they needed. I wish they just would have devoted this season to book 4 then next to book 5 rather than try and cram everything in. Last nights episode was kind of meh . I wouldn't mind them changing the story some if for nothing else it would be something "new" but I really hope they don't get so carried away and caught up in the shows success they feel they can do no wrong and just start to really fock it up like what happened with Lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 So why does it seem like Martin is doing everything he can to stall writing, if he's got such a great handle on how it ends. Remember, he had a good chunk of WoW previously written, at the end of ADWD. He's either lazy as fock, or not as sure about ending it as he'd like us to believe. It was originally suppose to be a trilogy. At least he claims he has broadly known how the story will play out since shortly after he started writing the first book. However, he just kept writing and writing, and 3 books has gone to 7+. Personally? I don't mind because, besides parts of book 4, I couldn't stop reading until it was over. I'd rather him write what he's going to write than for him to rush out a half-thought out book because of the pressure everyone is putting on him. All that being said, he really does need to on his horse. I have a theory that WOW is pretty much done and he's just putting the finishing touches on it and already has several chapters of ADOS written, as is his writing style. He'll release WOW either around Christmas, or about a month or so before next season. Then a year later release ADOS. WOW 100% needs to be released before next season, or we are lost. I liked season 4 A LOT more when I rewatched it because the books weren't fresh in my mind. As long as *certain* things happen, I am fine with the show dilly-dataling around with some storylines. I HATED the addition of the whole Craster's keep storyline last season. I was not a fan of what they ended up doing with Shae and Tyrion(completely eliminating a very interesting plot-point with Tyrion). I really liked Arya and the Hound. I really liked Arya and Tywin at Harranhall. So, basically, they are good with adding storylines if Arya is involved. However, they better not diverge too much this season with her. I am very intrigued with Sansa and Little Finger. I honestly don't recall exactly where they ended in the books, but it appears we are heading into uncharted territory with them. I don't really care about not having Bran as I am guessing we won't be seeing too much of him even in WOW. He has a ways to go before he is a factor again. But NO HODOR?!?! I don't think I can live without my seasonal dose of Hodor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 I was kind of like when I heard this season they were morphing books 4 & 5 with some of 6 which isn't out yet but apparently George has told them what they needed. I wish they just would have devoted this season to book 4 then next to book 5 rather than try and cram everything in. Book 4 and the first half of book 5 take place during the same period of time. Some storylines have already completed(Bran, Sansa), and some storylines are still a ways behind(Tyrion, Kings Landing, Dorne). Some are right about where they should be if the end of this season is suppose to be the end of book 5(The Wall, Meereen, MAYBE Arya). Some storylines have yet to surface(Iron Islands, Citadel). So, I think they have more than enough material, with some filler, to make a couple more seasons out of the books. Maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 BTW, I thought it was a good premiere? There is A LOT going on and A LOT about to happen that they have to set up for. I think the first few episodes will just be getting caught up on where we left off and setting up the upcoming events. That is how the first 3 seasons were, and we will probably get a climax in episode 9 and the finale will just be clean up. But who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted April 13, 2015 All that being said, he really does need to on his horse. I have a theory that WOW is pretty much done and he's just putting the finishing touches on it and already has several chapters of ADOS written, as is his writing style. He'll release WOW either around Christmas, or about a month or so before next season. Then a year later release ADOS. WOW 100% needs to be released before next season, or we are lost. Is this theory based on anything, or is it just purely wishful thinking? He has already said WoW is not coming out in '15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted April 13, 2015 Is this theory based on anything, or is it just purely wishful thinking? He has already said WoW is not coming out in '15. Yeah... I don't think his theory holds much water either. I think the only reason he had chapters finished for WoW at the end of ADWD, is because he intended them to be included in Dragons... but he was running out of time, and decided to move them to Winter. I believe that's why we got the focked up split between 4 & 5 as well. I'm also not sure if HBO is looking that far ahead in planning for the future. It kinda seems that they only concentrate on one season at a time. We've already seen some botched storylines, IMO. There was absolutely no reason in continuing the Beric Dondarrion story, if they didn't plan on Lady Stoneheart. What would be the purpose? The thing is already close to being off the rails... and I blame no one but George. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 Is this theory based on anything, or is it just purely wishful thinking? He has already said WoW is not coming out in '15. Just a hunch. I saw an interview(couldn't find the link) that was from later in 2013 where he said he had 800+ pages written and expected it to be 12-1500 pages. So in over 2 years, he wrote 800 pages, something tells me in the year and a half or so since he's written at least 4 or 500 pages. He has a lot of excerpts and chapters from WOW posted. I really think he's almost finished, he's just waiting for the right time to release it and torturing us for bothering him so much. I think he is also holding off until the show catches up, for the most part. WOW will be 2 seasons, and ADOS will be 2 seasons for 9 total seasons. WOW gets released before next season, then ADOS 2 years after. This will make the books go concurrently with the show, so neither will necessarily get ruined. George is a very smart person, and I know he doesn't want HBO to take the reins on his story. He doesn't even like fanfiction on the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 13, 2015 I was kind of like when I heard this season they were morphing books 4 & 5 with some of 6 which isn't out yet but apparently George has told them what they needed. I wish they just would have devoted this season to book 4 then next to book 5 rather than try and cram everything in. Last nights episode was kind of meh . I wouldn't mind them changing the story some if for nothing else it would be something "new" but I really hope they don't get so carried away and caught up in the shows success they feel they can do no wrong and just start to really fock it up like what happened with Lost. There's definitely some risk with them going beyond the books. It's really irrelevant because they HAVE to do it at this point. However up until now they've made a great show adapting the fat man's source material to the TV screen. Now they're getting to the point where there is no source material. They're now having to create on their own and we really don't know if they're going to be good at that. Maybe it turns out they were super awesome at recreating someone else's work but something much less than super awesome at coming up with their own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 Yeah... I don't think his theory holds much water either. I think the only reason he had chapters finished for WoW at the end of ADWD, is because he intended them to be included in Dragons... but he was running out of time, and decided to move them to Winter. I believe that's why we got the focked up split between 4 & 5 as well. Yeah, I think he even said he moved some chapters all the way to ADOS. Essentially, he just writes chapters and chapters and then decides where to put them later I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted April 13, 2015 There's definitely some risk with them going beyond the books. It's really irrelevant because they HAVE to do it at this point. However up until now they've made a great show adapting the fat man's source material to the TV screen. Now they're getting to the point where there is no source material. They're now having to create on their own and we really don't know if they're going to be good at that. Maybe it turns out they were super awesome at recreating someone else's work but something much less than super awesome at coming up with their own They have done masterfully on putting the text onto the screen, but I think their additions to the story have been hit and miss. We will be seeing more and more of these, as you said. They really have to NOT think about what the viewers WANT to see. What makes the show and books so great is you have no idea what to expect. I feel they sometimes adhere to what the viewers would want to see rather than what would actually happen in the GOT world. They have to think from the perspective of that world rather than our own world(or the cable-TV world). Nothing is black and white, fully good or fully evil. Doing what is honorable isn't always the right thing to do, and doing the right thing isn't always honorable. Bad people usually live, good people usually die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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TD Ryan2 316 Posted April 16, 2015 So, Tyrion and Dany are going to team up. But Dany lost control of the dragons so Brandon Stark will have to get in the mix with that. And then peace is restored with Targaryans in charge and Lannisters/Starks supporting them. It's like a return to the golden age and they all team up to fight the White Walker army. Jon becomes commander at the Wall and supports Brandon/Tyrion/Dany Sansa and Littlefinger become the new "bad guys" south of the wall. Arya is a detached, mercenary killer who never fully assimilates into society, but eventually kills Sansa and/or Littlefinger. Fact is, Sansa was a royal bi@tch as a kid just like Cercei was in the opening scenes of Ep.5:01. didn't read the books - just what I see them rolling out here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 16, 2015 So, Tyrion and Dany are going to team up. But Dany lost control of the dragons so Brandon Stark will have to get in the mix with that. And then peace is restored with Targaryans in charge and Lannisters/Starks supporting them. It's like a return to the golden age and they all team up to fight the White Walker army. Jon becomes commander at the Wall and supports Brandon/Tyrion/Dany Sansa and Littlefinger become the new "bad guys" south of the wall. Arya is a detached, mercenary killer who never fully assimilates into society, but eventually kills Sansa and/or Littlefinger. Fact is, Sansa was a royal bi@tch as a kid just like Cercei was in the opening scenes of Ep.5:01. didn't read the books - just what I see them rolling out here. I don't think we will even see Bran this season. But yes, I feel everyone has known about Bran and the Dragons for some time. but if we know one thing, we know that fat man doesn't like to see good people live or succeed, so I doubt that will work too well His head will splode or something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted April 16, 2015 ed - I kinda' hope my predictions are false - they are too "cookie-cutter" and the show is rarely that way - and it's part of why it so enjoyable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,606 Posted April 16, 2015 ed - I kinda' hope my predictions are false - they are too "cookie-cutter" and the show is rarely that way - and it's part of why it so enjoyable. I was only commenting on Bran/Dragons. That seems inevitable. HODOR! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
