RicemanX 20 Posted November 29, 2011 Cam is going to lead the Panthers to a 3 or 4 season. DeMarco Murray is going to help the Cowboys win their division. Andy Dalton and AJ Green is going to help the Bengals to a 9 or 10 win season. Why is Cam still the lock for ROY? Shouldn't he be 3rd or 4th? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgs316 14 Posted November 29, 2011 Dalton in the big picture IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted November 29, 2011 Dalton in the big picture IMO. Yeah what Green and Dalton are doing is pretty incredible. And most of that is on Dalton. If Cinci makes the playoffs Dalton gets my vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bgal85 2 Posted November 29, 2011 Should be Dalton but it will be Cam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted November 29, 2011 Nother vote for Dalton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted November 29, 2011 ROY is not based solely on how many wins you get your team. That is a small part of it, the biggest part is how you perform individually. Putting Murray in that race is laughable, unless he averages 180 per game the rest of the way. He didn't play for the better part of half a season. Dalton and Green deserve mention, but Cam is having one of the sickest rookie qb seasons in teh history of the sport. THE HISTORY. It won't be close... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Portis26 0 Posted November 29, 2011 Nother vote for Dalton. Another Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348 Posted November 29, 2011 my ranking 1) Dalton 2) Murray 3) Green 4) Newton Murray has revitalized the Cowboys, and given them an actually running game Dalton though, I (and most others) assumed a completely lost season for the Bengals, especially in that division with a rookie QB. Dalton looks like a winner, he doesnt have nearly the talent of Cam, but hes got the intangibles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted November 29, 2011 Cam is putting up numbers, but so is Dalton. Only, Dalton is also putting up wins. Another vote for Dalton. Demarco Murray has a shot if he keeps hitting gaudy numbers and takes the Cowboys to the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted November 29, 2011 Very strong crop of rookies but Cam is the future of this league. He has two of the best games by a rookie QB ever. Carolina was a black hole until he flashed his abilities. All the other names mentioned went to much better teams. The Panthers were hands down the most terrible team in the league in 2010. Demarco, Julio, AJ and Dalton would be easy winners any other season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted November 29, 2011 Very strong crop of rookies but Cam is the future of this league. He has two of the best games by a rookie QB ever. Carolina was a black hole until he flashed his abilities. All the other names mentioned went to much better teams. The Panthers were hands down the most terrible team in the league in 2010. Demarco, Julio, AJ and Dalton would be easy winners any other season. yeah, but Carolina is still 3-8 at the bottom on the division... So they are putting up stats (playing from behind mostly), but they still in the black hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 71 Posted November 29, 2011 I think what might tip it towards Dalton is WHEN he's doing it. 5 fourth quarter comebacks in his rookie season. And look at the losses: 2 points at Denver 5 points vs San Fran 7 points vs Steelers 7 points at Baltimore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted November 29, 2011 yeah, but Carolina is still 3-8 at the bottom on the division... So they are putting up stats (playing from behind mostly), but they still in the black hole. That because as a whole, the Carolina Panthers are awful. If Dalton was the Panthers QB, they still would be a 3 win team at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted November 29, 2011 That because as a whole, the Carolina Panthers are awful. If Dalton was the Panthers QB, they still would be a 3 win team at best. Yeah... because he hasn't taken over a 4 win team and already has 7 wins this year. Rookie of the year does not mean Fantasy rookie of the year. Accolades in the NFL are saved for those players that help their teams win. Not just pull up stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted November 29, 2011 I would vote for Dalton. Gingers Unite!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted November 29, 2011 I think what might tip it towards Dalton is WHEN he's doing it. 5 fourth quarter comebacks in his rookie season. And look at the losses: 2 points at Denver 5 points vs San Fran 7 points vs Steelers 7 points at Baltimore That can go the other way too. A win is a win in the NFL but look at who they've beaten. Tenn is the only team with a winning record. They will likely lose a few down the stretch. In the end I think Cam wins it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted November 29, 2011 That can go the other way too. A win is a win in the NFL but look at who they've beaten. Tenn is the only team with a winning record. They will likely lose a few down the stretch. In the end I think Cam wins it. it won't even be close. What he has done in terms of individual play far exceeds any other rookie, and at the end of the day that is waht the ROY is about. The wins will count for something, but that is not the primary determining factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted November 29, 2011 it won't even be close. What he has done in terms of individual play far exceeds any other rookie, and at the end of the day that is waht the ROY is about. The wins will count for something, but that is not the primary determining factor. Exactly. The Rookie of the Year award isn't like the MVP award where you look at how many wins, if the team said player plays on makes the playoffs, etc. It's the answer to "Who was the best rookie NFL player over the course of the 2011 season?" And the answer to that question is Cam Newton. With all due respect to Dalton, AJ Green, Murray, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Denarius Moore, Torrey Smith, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lay the Mallett Down 0 Posted November 29, 2011 Ryan Kerrigan for DROY. Even though it will be Von Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted November 29, 2011 It's the answer to "Who was the best rookie NFL player over the course of the 2011 season?" That's the question people should be asking. But should that question be answered by looking at the players' stats for the season? Or what sort of influence did the rookie have on the team's wins? Cam and the Panthers could EASILY finish with 2 wins. That means Cam Newton did not help the Panthers gain any extra wins compared to 2010. Dalton, Green and the Bengals could finish with 9 or 10 wins. That's a 5 or 6 game improvement from 2010. That stat is more telling to me than: Dalton: 16 TDs, 12 INTs, 81.8 QB Rating 1 rushing TD Newton: 12 TDs, 14 INTs, 81.1 QB Rating 10 rushing TDs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted November 29, 2011 Ryan Kerrigan for DROY. Even though it will be Von Miller. Von Miller is real deal. Beastmode every play. Daddy likes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobbyn2022 53 Posted November 29, 2011 Another for Dalton. If they win the division which I think is very possible then he should be a LOCK for ROY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted November 29, 2011 Cam and the Panthers could EASILY finish with 2 wins. That means Cam Newton did not help the Panthers gain any extra wins compared to 2010. I think it will be pretty difficult for Carolina to finish with 2 wins......because they currently have 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted November 29, 2011 ROY is not based solely on how many wins you get your team. That is a small part of it, the biggest part is how you perform individually. Putting Murray in that race is laughable, unless he averages 180 per game the rest of the way. He didn't play for the better part of half a season. Dalton and Green deserve mention, but Cam is having one of the sickest rookie qb seasons in teh history of the sport. THE HISTORY. It won't be close... Andy Dalton is by far the superior QB and should be ROY. If you disagree you haven't watched them both play. I would put Green as runner up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O'ky 0 Posted November 29, 2011 I'll go ahead and say I haven't watch much of either of them play. But looking at the statistics... Rookie of the Year is a individual award Andy Daltons passing numbers are slightly better than Newtons: 17 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 2,509 16td 12int 81.8 18 Cam Newton, QB CAR 3,093 12td 14int 81.1 BUT What Newton has done with his feet puts him individually far ahead of Dalton: 29 Cam Newton, QB CAR 464yds 10td 97 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 81yds 1td Is there any doubt that if Cam Newton had The Bengals defense and surrounding players/situation he would have more wins than Dalton? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Portis26 0 Posted November 29, 2011 Von Miller is real deal. Beastmode every play. Daddy likes... Patrick Peterson is DROY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted November 29, 2011 ROY in 2011. MVP in 2012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted November 29, 2011 Andy Dalton is by far the superior QB and should be ROY. If you disagree you haven't watched them both play. I would put Green as runner up. dude saying the same thing that has been said 45 times already before is not helping you make the point any better. I don't have a vote for ROY, and I'm assuming you don't either, so its a moot point what either of us think. What you and others touting dalton don't seem to understand is what the criteria for the award is. It's now how many wins your team had. That plays a part in it, but a fairly small one. It's about what you've done as an individual. How about non QBs that don't have nearly as much ability to influence wins and losses as a qb does. You're saying if a RB came through and ran for 1500 yards and 14 tds and the team won 3 games that that player wouldn't get the award?!??!?! Suh got the award last year, his team had 10 losses. Again, you want to keep rehashing the same thing over and over, go for it. We can pick this discussion back up when the award is announced. Not to mention there's still 5 games to play, and anything can happen. But if both players keep performing at their current rate, and their teams win/lose at the same rate, Cam will blow everyone away. It won't even be close, let alone anyone else winning it. So lets pick it up then, I'm done being stuck in this groundhog's day discussion... Edit: just so everyone understands, Cam is having one of the greatest rookie Qb seasons in the history of the league. This is a fact, not my opinion. It has been documented many places, and his numbers have been compared to many other great rookie QBs over the years. TO believe he won't smash the ROY award is absurd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted November 29, 2011 ROY is not based solely on how many wins you get your team. That is a small part of it, the biggest part is how you perform individually. Putting Murray in that race is laughable, unless he averages 180 per game the rest of the way. He didn't play for the better part of half a season. Dalton and Green deserve mention, but Cam is having one of the sickest rookie qb seasons in teh history of the sport. THE HISTORY. It won't be close... You do realize Murray is 9th in the league in rushing despite playing only "half the season". Highest YPC of any of the leaders. HATE the team. Kills me that Murray, who I said in these forearms was the RB I liked best of the class, is there. But he shouldn't be so readily dismissed. Dalton has more TD, fewer INT and a better rating than Newton. His team also has had far more success. It'll be absurd if Newton wins the award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted November 29, 2011 Patrick Peterson is DROY Nah. If there's an award for special teams or returns, without question. But he spent the first 10 games watching WR run past him for TD. A little better of late, but having nowhere near the impact on the defensive side that Miller is having. Not even remotely close. In fact, Miller has an argument for the ROY. Dalton is the only other rookie I've seen have such an impact on his teams success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O'ky 0 Posted November 29, 2011 Murray with a soft schedule coming up could end up ahead of Dalton. Murray is going to go over 1500-1600 all purpose yards without even playing a full season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buttmonkey 8 Posted November 29, 2011 You do realize Murray is 9th in the league in rushing despite playing only "half the season". Highest YPC of any of the leaders. HATE the team. Kills me that Murray, who I said in these forearms was the RB I liked best of the class, is there. But he shouldn't be so readily dismissed. Dalton has more TD, fewer INT and a better rating than Newton. His team also has had far more success. It'll be absurd if Newton wins the award. Cam has 22 TDs total, Dalton 16 - you can try and skew the facts all you want, but Cam is ROY hands down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted November 29, 2011 Cam has 22 TDs total, Dalton 16 - you can try and skew the facts all you want, but Cam is ROY hands down. So you are not capable of looking past stats? If you watch both QBs play Dalton is by far the better NFL QB! There is no debate here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted November 30, 2011 dude saying the same thing that has been said 45 times already before is not helping you make the point any better. I don't have a vote for ROY, and I'm assuming you don't either, so its a moot point what either of us think. What you and others touting dalton don't seem to understand is what the criteria for the award is. It's now how many wins your team had. That plays a part in it, but a fairly small one. It's about what you've done as an individual. How about non QBs that don't have nearly as much ability to influence wins and losses as a qb does. You're saying if a RB came through and ran for 1500 yards and 14 tds and the team won 3 games that that player wouldn't get the award?!??!?! Suh got the award last year, his team had 10 losses. Again, you want to keep rehashing the same thing over and over, go for it. We can pick this discussion back up when the award is announced. Not to mention there's still 5 games to play, and anything can happen. But if both players keep performing at their current rate, and their teams win/lose at the same rate, Cam will blow everyone away. It won't even be close, let alone anyone else winning it. So lets pick it up then, I'm done being stuck in this groundhog's day discussion... Edit: just so everyone understands, Cam is having one of the greatest rookie Qb seasons in the history of the league. This is a fact, not my opinion. It has been documented many places, and his numbers have been compared to many other great rookie QBs over the years. TO believe he won't smash the ROY award is absurd... Keep drinking the Kool Aid ESPN boy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Runningriot1966 6 Posted November 30, 2011 I also vote for Dalton but if it were fantasy football I would go with Cam's goal carries. Its shocking to me that they keep running Cam on short goalline carries when you have two capable runningbacks that could score the same tds. There is no doubt in my mind who the best QB is though and its Dalton easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
handbanana 47 Posted November 30, 2011 I am a Lions fan but I live in Seattle. The Seahawks desperately need a franchise QB but passed on Dalton because they did not think that he was franchise QB material. Instead, they reached for a RT in Carpenter who looks like he is going to be serviceable when healthy, nothing great. Way to evaluate talent Carrol, you smug scumbag sunnaba........... Even the media around here are dumb as fock. After the Bengals came in here and beat the Seabags, I was listening to Calabro and the Go To Guy Jim Moore and Moore was waffling on whether he thought Dalton was a franchise guy and whether he was even much of an upgrade over T Jackson. Really? I love watching the Seahawks suck, that's what you get for hiring a guy who twice in the past has proven that he can't coach at the NFL level Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bgal85 2 Posted November 30, 2011 I'm a Bengals' fan and wouldn't trade Dalton for Cam. The whole team loves him, he's a winner, and fits the offense perfectly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted November 30, 2011 Just don't put him on madden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chroniciguana 13 Posted November 30, 2011 There's a difference between who should get it and who will get it. Newton will get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted November 30, 2011 Cam has 22 TDs total, Dalton 16 - you can try and skew the facts all you want, but Cam is ROY hands down. Including rushing TD, Dalton has 17. You can try to skew the facts all you want... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
