Self Defense Killing in Florida...Geeks got an opinion?

[NorthernVike 2,100]

Surprise!

Just as Obama wanted.

 

 

The great divider. :thumbsdown:

[penultimatestraw 473]

Just as Obama wanted.

 

 

The great divider. :thumbsdown:

When did Obama trick you into becoming racist?

[drobeski 3,061]

When did Obama trick you into becoming racist?

why do you hate white latinos

[JTB 52]

I agree for the most part. It really is a poorly written law.

 

I think the part I struggle with is Zimmerman "initiated" (for lack of a better word) the confrontation. He started following the kid and continued doing so, even after the police advised him do otherwise. I think we can safely assume that the kid said something to the effect of "you got a problem!?" "why you following me?!" etc. etc. That triggered some sort of physical confrontation that ended up in a shooting. Everything else is really just hearsay at this point. The interviews his father and other friends/family members are giving sure aren't helping him though...

 

 

This is where I may have an issue. I must admit, I could care less about this case, other the making it a race issue.

 

I heard the shooting took place at Zimmerman's car. I also heard Zimmerman was following Martin on foot until he was told to stop following him by 911. Is is possible, Zimmerman stopped following Martin, returned to his car only to be followed there and confronted by an angry Martin?

 

If I am wrong with the details fill me in.

[JTB 52]

Americans are sharply divided by race in their opinion of the shooting of an unarmed black teenager in Florida by a Hispanic neighborhood watchman.

 

A Gallup/USA Today poll finds that most black Americans (73 percent) think Trayvon Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman, would have been arrested if Martin had been white.

 

Only 33 percent of non-Hispanic white people said the same thing.

The racial divide on Zimmerman's guilt was also big: 51 percent of black people said Zimmerman is "definitely guilty" based on the information available, compared to only 10 percent of whites. About 20 percent of both whites and blacks said Zimmerman was "probably guilty."

 

Zimmerman told police that he was following Martin because he looked "suspicious" when the unarmed 17-year-old then attacked him. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. He hasn't been charged. Martin's family says Zimmerman followed and then attacked and shot Martin in an act of vigilante policing.

 

An earlier Pew Research Center poll found that only 16 percent of black people said there had been too much media coverage of the shooting, compared to 43 percent of white people. The Gallup poll of more than 3,000 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

 

 

Hmmmmm....The term White Hispanic must not be so important now. Focking CRAZY!

[IGotWorms 4,063]

NBC fired the Today Show producer who edited Zimmerman's 911 tape. http://www.mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

This is where I may have an issue. I must admit, I could care less about this case, other the making it a race issue.

 

I heard the shooting took place at Zimmerman's car. I also heard Zimmerman was following Martin on foot until he was told to stop following him by 911. Is is possible, Zimmerman stopped following Martin, returned to his car only to be followed there and confronted by an angry Martin?

 

If I am wrong with the details fill me in.

Couldn't care less. HTH.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

NBC fired the Today Show producer who edited doctored Zimmerman's 911 tape to fit their political view. http://www.mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com

Fixed

[IGotWorms 4,063]

CNN spoke to a witness for the second time. Witness said she thinks Martin was the one screaming and that she thought she saw Zimmerman on top of Martin prior to the shooting. She also said that the investigators and state's attorneys weren't very interested in what she had to say.

 

Zimmerman's attorney's dispute the woman's account.

 

This quote kind of stuck out at me:

 

In describing her questioning by investigators, the witness remembered expressing that she should have done something more, in retrospect, after hearing the cries for help.

 

"The lead investigator said to me kindly, 'Well, if it makes you feel any better, the person that was yelling for help is alive,'" she recalled.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[Recliner Pilot 61]

CNN spoke to a witness for the second time. Witness said she thinks Martin was the one screaming and that she thought she saw Zimmerman on top of Martin prior to the shooting. She also said that the investigators and state's attorneys weren't very interested in what she had to say.

 

Zimmerman's attorney's dispute the woman's account.

 

This quote kind of stuck out at me:

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Why do you keep posting in this thread? You made up your mind on page 1.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Not really alarming or shocking news but it appears that First Degree Murder isn't an option going forward as there will be no Grand Jury in this case. First degree murder cases have to go before a grand jury.

 

It doesn't mean Zimmerman will not be charged with anything else, it just means its not going to be First Degree murder. I don't think most people thought that anyway, but it is newsworthy.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You could make the case for Second Degree Murder, but my guess is that if this guy is going to be prosecuted at all it will be for manslaughter at best.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

This guy killed him in cold blood. He was probably standing/leaning over the kid for a while and made the conscious decision to shoot him. I think he should be facing murder charges.

Bump.

 

Sounds like manslaughter to me.

[cyclone24 1,940]

Can we just fast forward to where the courts find Zimmerman not guilty and the jackals start looting and rioting?

 

You know they cant wait.

[phillybear 366]

TMIAFP

[cyclone24 1,940]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-041012,0,1201396.htmlstory

 

news conference feed within the hour from Zimmermans people.

[KSB2424 3,174]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-press-conference-041012,0,1201396.htmlstory

 

news conference feed within the hour from Zimmermans people.

That's one high-tech microphone holder.

[nikki2200 4]

Zimmerman's lawyers quit!!!

[Mungwater 601]

Zimmerman's lawyers quit!!!

 

They said it was because they lost contact with him.. WTF?

[cyclone24 1,940]

They said hes not in Florida.......i know where id send him. Send him to the whitest state in america.....heeeelllllooooo Iowa!!

 

Ill start banging on hotel doors....ill keep ya posted.

[nikki2200 4]

They said it was because they lost contact with him.. WTF?

 

I found it odd when I heard an interview with one of his lawyers and they said that they had not yet spoken to Zimmerman about the case.

 

I wonder if he's on the run and that's why they canceled the grand jury but they didn't want to publicize that....

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Wow, I did not see that coming.

[nikki2200 4]

OK. Here's the story. It appears that Zimmerman wants to represent himself and stopped talking to his lawyers and contacted the prosecutor himself against the advice of his Attorneys.

 

[sanford, Florida (CNN) -- Attorneys for neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who authorities say fatally shot an unarmed teenager in Florida, said Tuesday they have lost contact with their client and will no longer represent him.

 

"He has gone on his own. I'm not sure what he's doing or who he's talking to," legal adviser Craig Sonner said. "If he wants us to come back as counsel, he will contact us."

 

Sonner, who said the last time they had contact with Zimmerman was Sunday, spoke to reporters in Florida with attorney Hal Uhrig.

 

Uhrig said Zimmerman contacted the office of the special prosecutor appointed to lead the investigation on his own.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

[cyclone24 1,940]

OK. Here's the story. It appears that Zimmerman wants to represent himself and stopped talking to his lawyers and contacted the prosecutor himself against the advice of his Attorneys.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

 

I didnt quite get out of that speech by the attorneys that he will representing himself in court per se........but yes he appears to have gone off the grid.

 

Which...is a bad deal....i dont think they will in the end even bring charges against him. Theres just not enough there.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Something is fishy. It doesn't necessarily mean he's on the run, but an attorney can't just drop their client on a whim. They need to have a damn good reason.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,706]

I wonder if he's on the run and that's why they canceled the grand jury but they didn't want to publicize that....

 

 

Why would it be if he was on the run? You have an out of control news media after you, the black panthers have a bounty on your head, and the entire country knows your face. He can't go to a Taco Bell with latino only workers. Even they would rat hmi out.

[nikki2200 4]

Does a lawyer normally drop someone as a client because they haven't returned a phone call in a day and a half? Maybe he has the flu or something. Something is really weird about this.

 

Or maybe they are pissed that he contacted the prosecutor directly...

[cyclone24 1,940]

Something is fishy. It doesn't necessarily mean he's on the run, but an attorney can't just drop their client on a whim. They need to have a damn good reason.

 

 

Im not too familiar with it....but hes never met them, which i guess isnt that unusual in florida.....so he isnt bound from the lawyer side to represent him as hes never signed for legal representation.

 

And he is talking.....talking to the prosecutors, Sean Hannity, others......but not returning calls to the lawyers for him...its weird.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I didnt quite get out of that speech by the attorneys that he will representing himself in court per se........but yes he appears to have gone off the grid.

 

Which...is a bad deal....i dont think they will in the end even bring charges against him. Theres just not enough there.

 

There's PLENTY there for charges. Whether they would get a conviction is a different matter (I bet they would), but if we're only talking charges there is ample evidence to bring them.

[Strike 6,032]

Something is fishy. It doesn't necessarily mean he's on the run, but an attorney can't just drop their client on a whim. They need to have a damn good reason.

 

They do. Several in fact. They haven't spoken to him in days and he's dodging their calls. He set up his own website soliciting donations, separate from the one they had arranged to set up with the funds going to his father to ensure that they were used in his defense, and he's done multiple things against their advice. They said they can't ethically continue to be his lawyers when they can't get in contact with him, especially when considering the other factors above.

[Strike 6,032]

Does a lawyer normally drop someone as a client because they haven't returned a phone call in a day and a half? Maybe he has the flu or something. Something is really weird about this.

 

Or maybe they are pissed that he contacted the prosecutor directly...

 

Yeah, lawyers are weird. They actually want their clients to do what they say regarding things that might affect their case. What dooshbags.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Why would it be if he was on the run? You have an out of control news media after you, the black panthers have a bounty on your head, and the entire country knows your face. He can't go to a Taco Bell with latino only workers. Even they would rat hmi out.

 

We don't even know if he is on the run (it sounds like he isn't) and already the apologists start in.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Yeah, lawyers are weird. They actually want their clients to do what they say regarding things that might affect their case. What dooshbags.

 

There are ethical rules regarding when an attorney can "fire" a client. They are strict and if an attorney violates them they can be suspended or disbarred. Not to mention that they also potentially open themselves up to a whammy of a malpractice suit.

[cyclone24 1,940]

There's PLENTY there for charges. Whether they would get a conviction is a different matter (I bet they would), but if we're only talking charges there is ample evidence to bring them.

 

 

Ehh...i disagree. You have plenty of evidence showing this falling under the defense laws in florida, plenty of evidence showing Zimm was getting beaten.....just having a dead body doesnt automatically mean charges.

 

We'll see....i wont be entirely shocked if they bring charges with all the media pressure on them down there....but ill be shocked if they get a guilty verdict....very shocked.

[Phurfur 70]

Does a lawyer normally drop someone as a client because they haven't returned a phone call in a day and a half? Maybe he has the flu or something. Something is really weird about this.

 

Or maybe they are pissed that he contacted the prosecutor directly...

 

 

Can my lawyer drop me as a client?

 

Yes, but not because he or she is not making money, or because a better, more lucrative case just walked into his or her door, or because the matter is taking longer than anticipated. If your case is in active litigation, the lawyer can’t just hightail it out without the judge’s authorization.

 

Some of the most common reasons the lawyer will drop a case include:

1.conflict of interest

2.nonpayment of legal services already rendered

3.client-lawyer communication: the client does not keep his or her end of the bargain.

[mobb_deep 921]

OK. Here's the story. It appears that Zimmerman wants to represent himself and stopped talking to his lawyers and contacted the prosecutor himself against the advice of his Attorneys.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

That worked out great for Ted Bundy.

[Strike 6,032]

There are ethical rules regarding when an attorney can "fire" a client. They are strict and if an attorney violates them they can be suspended or disbarred. Not to mention that they also potentially open themselves up to a whammy of a malpractice suit.

 

No sh*t sherlock. And these guys have said they're are open to representing Zimmerman IF HE CONTACTS THEM. They held the news conference to let the media know that Zimmerman has apparently abandoned them so don't call them constantly as the media has been doing. WTF would you do if one of your clients started avoiding you and doing all the things you had explicitly told them not to do?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

No sh*t sherlock. And these guys have said they're are open to representing Zimmerman IF HE CONTACTS THEM. They held the news conference to let the media know that Zimmerman has apparently abandoned them so don't call them constantly as the media has been doing. WTF would you do if one of your clients started avoiding you and doing all the things you had explicitly told them not to do?

 

The last time they talked to him was Sunday, less than forty-eight hours ago.

[Mungwater 601]

Represent himself? Has that ever worked out for anyone for anything other than a traffic ticket?

 

What a moron

[Strike 6,032]

The last time they talked to him was Sunday, less than forty-eight hours ago.

 

Where did you get that nugget of information?