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I think most everyone, even minorities and liberals believe Affirmitave Action has run its course. There was a time in our history where it was warranted. Howver that time has since passed. Most everyone I know of all skin colors and political parties pretty much say that.

 

No. Like each and every one of their other enormous fock ups, liberals are addicted to affirmative action to the bitter end and are continuing and will continue to fight tooth and nail to protect this part of their agenda. They honestly are totally blind to how evil and focked up it is and believe they are doing God's work fighting to keep these programs.

 

The only way to get rid of Affirmative Action is to forcibly extract it from their cold, dead hands. My fervent hope is that SCOTUS will sh*tcan it permanently this year for college when they revisit it in Fischer vs. Texas. They've had a few opportunities over the years to put a silver stake in AA's heart for good but settled for small cuts to rein it in. I'm really hoping they go full bore against it this time and finish it for good.

 

Meanwhile, Michigan's voter-approved ballot initiative which is also on the ropes in 6th circuit court and a ruling will come down any day now. The focking court overtuned the ballot initiative last July but the ruling was vacated before it could screw over any students.

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You're backpedaling. You said that I supported affirmative action. And I never did. I simply accused you of being an assdart for implying Worms had 'white guilt' simply because he doesn't pity himself for being a white male. If you want to make ridiculous leaps like that, be ready to explain yourself.

 

BINGO!

 

I don't think you have to have "white guilt" to recognize that you were lucky as fock to be born white. Any white person who doesn't recognize that is a fockin' idiot.

 

And a lot of what people are saying in this thread is just fockin' bullsh!t. I am a white male and I got tons of scholarships. I paid very little for college and got nearly a full ride through law school (tuition-wise, living expenses were another thing). It isn't that difficult. I worked hard, did my research, and was willing to go almost anywhere in the country.

 

So spare me this crap about how nobody wants to help a white man. I don't feel bad for being white but I sure as sh!t know it's given me a leg up in life.

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BINGO!

 

I don't think you have to have "white guilt" to recognize that you were lucky as fock to be born white. Any white person who doesn't recognize that is a fockin' idiot.

 

And a lot of what people are saying in this thread is just fockin' bullsh!t. I am a white male and I got tons of scholarships. I paid very little for college and got nearly a full ride through law school (tuition-wise, living expenses were another thing). It isn't that difficult. I worked hard, did my research, and was willing to go almost anywhere in the country.

 

So spare me this crap about how nobody wants to help a white man. I don't feel bad for being white but I sure as sh!t know it's given me a leg up in life.

 

 

What scholarships did you get? I am guessing you went to a private college.

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What scholarships did you get? I am guessing you went to a private college.

 

I went to a public university for undergrad. So you guessed wrong there (what a shocker).

 

I did go to a private institution for law school.

 

In both cases, the scholarships were merit-based.

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BINGO!

 

I don't think you have to have "white guilt" to recognize that you were lucky as fock to be born white. Any white person who doesn't recognize that is a fockin' idiot.

 

And a lot of what people are saying in this thread is just fockin' bullsh!t. I am a white male and I got tons of scholarships. I paid very little for college and got nearly a full ride through law school (tuition-wise, living expenses were another thing). It isn't that difficult. I worked hard, did my research, and was willing to go almost anywhere in the country.

 

So spare me this crap about how nobody wants to help a white man. I don't feel bad for being white but I sure as sh!t know it's given me a leg up in life.

<--- Focking idiot. I certainly don't see a shred of and ounce of any benefit to being straight white male. That dried out before I was born. Me_2006's post seems like a lot of hot air.

 

Institutional racism has been lopsided against whites my entire life. And it's not just racism in admissions where the uber-liberals have gone berserk. It permeates all of academia. I'm a history major. It really chaffs my ass to see these homosexual activists are going throughout history pulling out their revisionist stamp and rewriting biographies labeling everyone as gay on innuendo and shoddy evidence. Or the obsession with turning the focus to victimization and minutia. Meanwhile, in the arts- for example- feminists and gays rewriting Shakespeare by setting it in 21st century Soho or whatever so as to fit the leftist agenda of modern third rate writers/directors. We should expect to see the originals set in Elizabethan England or wherever Shakespeare had intended first with the characters and the lines he wrote. Not this constant flow of modern interpretation bullsh*t competing to outdo each other and demeaning the original.

 

That's another enormous mess the focked up '60s hippie liberals made that we're struggling to clean up. But it's like pushing water uphill since they control academia so thoroughly.

 

Let's not bother with Brits like Wordsworth or Americans like Longfellow. Let's look at untalented suicidal gay Phillipino poetry that nobody gives two sh*ts about instead.

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I took some literature and art history courses in college (this was about ten to twelve years ago). Pretty much everything was focused on western culture. :dunno:

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The one thing this thought is missing is that the SWM has to become 'the' SWM you're talking about too. There are lots of white kids who aren't born into situations where by absorbing their parents ways, other family members, and friends, it means they'll automatically fit in in the ways you're mentioning.

 

One group setting the mode doesn't mean that something in the nature of others who happen to share the traits that unify the mode setters, will find everything naturally resonates more as they go along with it. That's a cultural/nurturing thing that begins right after you're born.

 

For example, you have had to learn the ways of this society just as much as me. Even though you have the M thing going on.

 

Straight white guys who aren't primed to function successfully in light of the ways of this society may be exceptions to the general rule, even so the nurturing is the determining factor in coming to understand how you should navigate through things.

 

Deferential treatment because of identity is another issue though, but that doesn't seem like one you're talking to.

 

Regardless, they're being trained to "be" this white guy that is the standard for how they should operate. When you developed the 'rules' and established the standards that others are aspiring towards, that's your blueprint for what we classify as success. I can watch a show about the wealthiest, most powerful men in the country and see a lot of guys who look, dress, talk, act like my dad. Like my grandpa. Like my uncles. Like my brother. Like me.

 

That representation doesn't exist on the same scale for other people. It isn't racism or any of the stuff folks are getting all defensive about, it's just a pre-established reality. Like I said, it's been there so long it's almost invisible. "That's just the way it is." and all that.

 

We even saw it with Obama. He had to walk that line of being "too black" for America and being "too white" for his black supporters. They're not the same thing, and that dichotomy affects even a guy who is Harvard Educated and all that. He's played the game, and even though he's half white and half black, he's the first black president. He's guaranteed to get the black vote. He's a hero to black people.

 

I mean, it's pretty easy to look through the history book and pick out the Presidents that weren't straight, white, Christian, men. That system is pretty firmly in place, that's all I'm saying. We had a group of slaveowners write our country's foundation and tell us all men are created equal. Women didn't vote until the 20's. Blacks were legally segregated during my parent's lifetime. In Kentucky, it's not a "law" but things aren't even close to equal. Trust me. You'd be shocked.

 

Basically, the standards and expectations that we still live by were established long before women, blacks, gays, messicans, asians, etc. were even part of that environment. Naturally the rules weren't friendly to them, they weren't thought of when they were made.

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It has nothing to do with skin color. Educated people speak normal english and no slang in their college class or profession. Educated people dress in 'non-hipster' attire in a business environment. Educated people operate in that way, not 'white' people.

 

I'm from North Carolina, if I started my college Economics 101 presentation with "Hey Cuz, if you sell a boat load of them dadgum widgets, you'd make a ton of money." Or talked all ingnorant redneck, I'd be looked at like an idiot.

 

For the first time ever I think, you've really shown your immaturity and lack of worldly experience. I'll give you a mulligan on this one. :thumbsup:

 

See? Educated people speak normal English? Based on what standard? Exactly. Where'd that come from? Think it was a Puerto Rican woman? That's all I'm saying. It's planted in our heads because those have been the rules for a couple hundred years now. It goes back earlier than that too, but I'm talking just in America, not 'The King's English' or anything of that.

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:lol:

 

Man, your professors have done a number on you!

 

 

:rolleyes: Save it. I'm just telling you what I see and experience. I work in the Writing Center on campus. How many times do you think I've had a kid from Brazil or Nigeria or Japan ask me 'Who actually talks this way?' No one does, except when writing papers or putting on a show for The Academy.

 

It's a game we play, and those that play it best get the highest grades. Those that get the highest grades have a better chance at the best jobs, because they've shown they know how to play the game the best. It's not nearly as much of a transition.

 

Obviously, I'm sure people can share experiences to the contrary like Volty did, but I wouldn't hold 8 Mile Detroit up as the representation of the typical White experience in America. I'm talking general rule here, and there's way too much talk and research and writing and all that out there for it to be something I'm making up. I know, I know, Academia is the liberal bastion of yada yada and this and that. Don't you think that exerted influence that we all recognize is proof of what I'm saying? :dunno:

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See? Educated people speak normal English? Based on what standard? Exactly. Where'd that come from? Think it was a Puerto Rican woman? That's all I'm saying. It's planted in our heads because those have been the rules for a couple hundred years now. It goes back earlier than that too, but I'm talking just in America, not 'The King's English' or anything of that.

You sound like my three year old. "Daddy, why is a tree called a tree?" :doh:

 

It's not 'planted' in our heads no more than the word blue means the color we all agreed the word means. You're drilling down too much and over-thinking it. There has to be a 'baseline' as a standard. For consistency and continuity.

 

We speak a language, it was the language derived from the birth of the country of which we live. There is a correct way to speak it. Period. End of story. Everybody, white, black, Mexican, Malaysian, alien, should speak said language correctly if born here and want to be taken 'seriously' in a professional format.

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You sound like my three year old. "Daddy, why is a tree called a tree?" :doh:

 

It's not 'planted' in our heads no more than the word blue means the color we all agreed the word means. You're drilling down too much and over-thinking it. There has to be a 'baseline' as a standard. For consistency and continuity.

 

We speak a language, it was the language derived from the birth of the country of which we live. There is a correct way to speak it. Period. End of story. Everybody, white, black, Mexican, Malaysian, alien, should speak said language correctly if born here and want to be taken 'seriously' in a professional format.

 

 

And all these baselines just so happen to coincide with one specific group. That's all I've been saying. It's there. We ARE the baseline. Thus, it's a hell of a lot better to be the people who already look, act, think, talk, dress, etc like the baseline than one of the groups who has to adapt to it to be taken seriously.

 

You just agreed with me. :dunno:

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I think they're almost invisible to us at this point, and it starts early on. If education serves as the means of advancement in this country, then control of it essentially makes you the gatekeeper. Elementary schools most closely model the white, middle class household as far as the routine, the way people communicate, the rules, etc. The authority/subject model is patriarchal too, even if it's mostly women that incorporate it.

 

This is pretty much where I stopped reading.

 

I am guessing that the hispanic community in KY is pretty small. However, whites are now the minority in CA.

 

The system may try and mirror the white middle class households, but I am gathering that you don't understand that's not what happens out in the real world. I am not sure if you're just being obtuse, you live in the mid-west, or if it's because you just don't have any kids to actually see what they experience everyday.

 

Many elementary schools TRY and follow the bolded, however, many students will end up falling behind, despite their knowledge of english and good study skills. Why do they fall behind? Because the teacher has to focus on the two kids out of 32 that can't speak English. What happens to them? They get passed along to the next grade, despite the fact that htey can't speak English. What happens to the other kids that fall behind? They get held back because they didn't get the attention they needed from the teachers.

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This is pretty much where I stopped reading.

 

I am guessing that the hispanic community in KY is pretty small. However, whites are now the minority in CA.

 

The system may try and mirror the white middle class households, but I am gathering that you don't understand that's not what happens out in the real world. I am not sure if you're just being obtuse, you live in the mid-west, or if it's because you just don't have any kids to actually see what they experience everyday.

 

Many elementary schools TRY and follow the bolded, however, many students will end up falling behind, despite their knowledge of english and good study skills. Why do they fall behind? Because the teacher has to focus on the two kids out of 32 that can't speak English. What happens to them? They get passed along to the next grade, despite the fact that htey can't speak English. What happens to the other kids that fall behind? They get held back because they didn't get the attention they needed from the teachers.

 

 

Like I said, it's changing with the influx of other groups. We're seeing these environments start to show evidence that there are people beyond white males in them. We see stuff like maternity leave, ESL classes, diversity products, etc. in education and business. Those weren't always there because they didnt need to be.

 

I start student teaching in the fall. If you're looking for someone to rant on a broken system with you, I'm your guy. You won't get much argument from me. My initial point was talking more about the way things are structured, not the actual teaching.

 

I'd go into it more, but people here are already rolling their eyes and don't want to hear it, so I won't bore you guys with things that you deem insignificant (any more than I already have), but like I said, they're subtle things that are almost invisible to us because it's what we're used to. Things like asking a young student if he/she would like to do (blank). White kids basically know that means to do it. That's how a lot of our parents talked to us. It's a nonconfrontational way to give young kids commands. However, other kids might see that as actually having the option to say no. Yet if a kid tells the teacher no, he/she might be seen as defiant.

 

Again, I'm sure some of you will roll your eyes. I did too at first. But the more time you spend with kids and in classrooms, you really do see these things. That's not the strongest example of what I'm talking about either, it's just the most simplistic and brief one I could think of off the top of my head.

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And all these baselines just so happen to coincide with one specific group. That's all I've been saying. It's there. We ARE the baseline. Thus, it's a hell of a lot better to be the people who already look, act, think, talk, dress, etc like the baseline than one of the groups who has to adapt to it to be taken seriously.

 

You just agreed with me. :dunno:

 

We are all immigrants and someone in our family tree had to adjust and conform. It was always like that. HTH

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Like I said, it's changing with the influx of other groups. We're seeing these environments start to show evidence that there are people beyond white males in them. We see stuff like maternity leave, ESL classes, diversity products, etc. in education and business. Those weren't always there because they didnt need to be.

 

I start student teaching in the fall. If you're looking for someone to rant on a broken system with you, I'm your guy. You won't get much argument from me. My initial point was talking more about the way things are structured, not the actual teaching.

 

I'd go into it more, but people here are already rolling their eyes and don't want to hear it, so I won't bore you guys with things that you deem insignificant (any more than I already have), but like I said, they're subtle things that are almost invisible to us because it's what we're used to. Things like asking a young student if he/she would like to do (blank). White kids basically know that means to do it. That's how a lot of our parents talked to us. It's a nonconfrontational way to give young kids commands. However, other kids might see that as actually having the option to say no. Yet if a kid tells the teacher no, he/she might be seen as defiant.

 

Again, I'm sure some of you will roll your eyes. I did too at first. But the more time you spend with kids and in classrooms, you really do see these things. That's not the strongest example of what I'm talking about either, it's just the most simplistic and brief one I could think of off the top of my head.

 

I think that you're thinking too broadly, though.

 

You're also speaking more about the fact that a LOT of kids talk in slang these days. I mean, if you ask a child if they want to color, how is that speaking "correct" English? If they want to play hand ball? I mean, you're going to have to tell just about every kid what hand ball is at some point or another, so maybe I am misunderstanding what you are referring to. White kids don't always know what certain things mean either.

 

In fact, a little anecdotal story...my son is white. Last year in school, early 4th grade, he couldn't figure out why all of the boys laughed when the PE teacher told them to "Pull their balls in the bag" after PE was over. My son didn't get it because he hadn't had it explained to him that "balls" is a slang term for testicles. The other kids had this explained to them obviously at one point or another.

 

I know it's quite simplistic, but even white kids need to have things "explained" to him at one point or another whether it's coloring, playing house, or learning slang terms. It's kind of a part of growing up in general.

 

I think the student teaching will be a great experience, but an even better experience would be seeing it first hand with your own children...where you WANT to take action as a parent, but can't neccessarily do much. Especialyl when you get emails that the school distrcits budgets are being slashed each year by the millions.

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Straight White Males are the most ass kickin' group on the planet. :pointstosky: They even passed laws to hold them back because the rest of society could not compete. :thumbsup:

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I have a lot more to say about this subject when I find the time but for now:

 

Hell yes white people have it easier, because they are vastly more likely than minorities to come from a two-parent home that's in a decent financial situation! That is just fact.

 

Where I think people differ is on why that's the case? I think it's the long-term effects of racism and a type of black culture that perpetuates destructive behavior through drug use, crime, dads having babies they don't intend to care for etc.

 

I also think this is mostly a lower class culture and you see it in poor white communities too. I see lots of young white parents here in Fishtown and other parts of Philly with dads who dress like gangsters and moms dropping F bombs in front of their young kids. The difference is that many more black kids are going to grow up in these kinds of households.

 

I generally don't support things like affirmative action because it is mostly an effort to counter one kind of unfairness with another. It's unfair that the business community is mostly an old boys club that rewards white people with connections. It's also unfair that a less qualified minority might get a job based on diversity instead of merit.

 

Ultimately life isn't fair and the way ahead for black America won't be through affirmative action or diversity quotas, it will be through the type of cultural sea change that Bill Cosby was talking about.

 

I say that as a white guy who knows he was very fortunate and the son of an immigrant (and moderate Democrat). My dad arrived here by boat on a Friday and without speaking a word of English, he started attending school in the Bronx on a Monday. His dad was a dishwasher. When my grandpa retired he was the executive chef of one of the finest restaurants in Manhattan and my dad is now a regional VP of a Fortune 500 company. They made their own luck.

 

I'm not saying it's easy, but ultimately if you're dealt a bad hand hard work and ambition is why's going to get you ahead, not handouts.

 

That went on a lot longer than I planned. :ninja:

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I think that you're thinking too broadly, though.

 

You're also speaking more about the fact that a LOT of kids talk in slang these days. I mean, if you ask a child if they want to color, how is that speaking "correct" English? If they want to play hand ball? I mean, you're going to have to tell just about every kid what hand ball is at some point or another, so maybe I am misunderstanding what you are referring to. White kids don't always know what certain things mean either.

 

In fact, a little anecdotal story...my son is white. Last year in school, early 4th grade, he couldn't figure out why all of the boys laughed when the PE teacher told them to "Pull their balls in the bag" after PE was over. My son didn't get it because he hadn't had it explained to him that "balls" is a slang term for testicles. The other kids had this explained to them obviously at one point or another.

 

I know it's quite simplistic, but even white kids need to have things "explained" to him at one point or another whether it's coloring, playing house, or learning slang terms. It's kind of a part of growing up in general.

 

I think the student teaching will be a great experience, but an even better experience would be seeing it first hand with your own children...where you WANT to take action as a parent, but can't neccessarily do much. Especialyl when you get emails that the school distrcits budgets are being slashed each year by the millions.

 

My points kind of ran together. I was talking about conversation/structure with regards to the classroom environment and learning and instruction and such, not between the students themselves.

 

I'm saying that the classroom routine and instructions and procedures are designed in such a way that they more closely resemble the home environment of white, middle class kids. Montessori schools have been doing it for a long time, and the public school system has tried to adopt the segments of it that they can actually implement.

 

You're right that the white kids don't just walk in having been taught everything at home. I wasn't trying to say that, so my apologies if I wasn't clear. But the things they're taught are in a familiar, comfortable environment and the chances are that they're being taught by someone who closely resembles the look, actions, voice, communication styles, etc. of their mom or dad. Even if the teacher is black or hispanic or whatever, we're all essentially trained to engage students in certain traditional methods, and those methods are native to "our" preferences/experiences as white people.

 

 

Like I said, this is in a general sense. I know there are all black schools and that places like California and Texas have huge hispanic populations and influences. I'm not familiar with any of that first hand, so I can't fully comment. I do know that they're still using teachers that are certified through traditional standards and methods of instruction, and that they're still abiding by the same Core Academic Standards (or whatever those states call the stuff kids have to know for the standardized tests at the end of the year).

 

On the budget stuff, I'm with ya again. Even as a prospective teacher I'm jumping through those hurdles. The last year and a half or so of my classes have been heavily focused on working with actual students. It's difficult to do that when time and resources have been so cramped that everything is strictly regimented (curriculum calenders, etc) and the real teachers I'm supposed to work with don't have the time to let me walk into their classroom and do my own thing to satisfy what my professors want.

 

That's actually where a lot of what I'm saying comes from. There's a massive, massive break in what colleges teach aspiring teachers and what the real classroom is like. They give you lecture after lecture full of old, white, middle class pedagogy and then you walk into a classroom full of kids that don't recognize that as a familiar method of interaction and just stare at you.

 

All you pissed off parents (and I don't blame you, have two nephews in school and a niece that starts in August) need to blame the places preparing the teachers, not the money on education of the secretary of this or that department. I look at people I go to school with and have classes with and shake my head at the notion of them being in charge of 160 kids a day.

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And all these baselines just so happen to coincide with one specific group. That's all I've been saying. It's there. We ARE the baseline. Thus, it's a hell of a lot better to be the people who already look, act, think, talk, dress, etc like the baseline than one of the groups who has to adapt to it to be taken seriously.

 

You just agreed with me. :dunno:

No one is the baseline at birth though.

 

What you're saying seems (to me) more fit for contrasting why a natural born or really young first generation citizen would wind up having a generally smoother time than a 5 + year old recent immigrant.

 

I do understand that it's generally exceptional when a white kid finds the mentalities behind the baselines foreign. But for most kids, regardless of race, they adapt to the society around them at the same rate. Kids who grow up in households where their elders assimilate at a snail's pace or avoid assimilation wind up understanding both worlds. Kids who come from tight-knit minority cultures and may be second, third, and later generation but are just used to a very distinct subculture typically go through K-12 in an environment aware of that surrounding subculture. And they're young enough that they can learn to roll with the fashion of instruction they encounter. A kid who hasn't been growing up in the culture at large would understandably take longer in understanding the 'mode'.

 

To put it really simply, there aren't inherent challenges to learning and operating within a mode that happened to be set by people sharing a specific combination of traits, unless you're new to it after learning about the world in another mode. If people advance easier because of sharing that specific combination of traits, and it's arbitrary in light of their skills, that's what imbalances the playing field.

 

If you and I were born in Tibet, the white adults that we'd eventually become, had we been entrenched in the culture just like the ethnic Tibetan kids, would understand and be able to position ourselves for success given our understanding, as well as those around us. Just because they literally are the same ethnicity of the mode setters, they're not by default on an easier mode. If the gatekeepers in that society are prejudiced toward us for simply not being ethnically Tibetan, or something else out of our control, we have a problem though.

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I say that as a white guy who knows he was very fortunate and the son of an immigrant (and moderate Democrat). My dad arrived here by boat on a Friday and without speaking a word of English, he started attending school in the Bronx on a Monday. His dad was a dishwasher. When my grandpa retired he was the executive chef of one of the finest restaurants in Manhattan and my dad is now a regional VP of a Fortune 500 company. They made their own luck.

 

I guess that makes you the Giants Fan of your family.

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No one is the baseline at birth though.

 

To put it really simply, there aren't inherent challenges to learning and operating within a mode that happened to be set by people sharing a specific combination of traits, unless you're new to it after learning about the world in another mode. If people advance easier because of sharing that specific combination of traits, and it's arbitrary in light of their skills, that's what imbalances the playing field.

 

If you and I were born in Tibet, the white adults that we'd eventually become, had we been entrenched in the culture just like the ethnic Tibetan kids, would understand and be able to position ourselves for success given our understanding, as well as those around us. Just because they literally are the same ethnicity of the mode setters, they're not by default on an easier mode. If the gatekeepers in that society are prejudiced toward us for simply not being ethnically Tibetan, or something else out of our control, we have a problem though.

Well said. The 'baseline' can be any type of language or dress, it doesn't matter where it was derived hudreds or thousands of years ago. It's not as if speaking proper english and not sagging your jeans is in your DNA or something. It's learned behaivor. Has nothing to do with skin color. White people aren't born with some magic skill to talk properly that puts them at some advantage.

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it's really sad that i've been a member of this site for so many years and you haven't learned...

A: to stop whining and complaining about the non-existent reverse racism against you

B: what affirmative action is, how it works and who it has benefited

C: that any discussion about race will force me into unleashing some whoop asses on all of your ignorant behinds

 

 

i'd like you all to tell me what affirmative action benefits you think me or my daughter (we're both black and college educated) you think we've received in our lifetimes.

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it's really sad that i've been a member of this site for so many years and you haven't learned...

A: to stop whining and complaining about the non-existent reverse racism against you

B: what affirmative action is, how it works and who it has benefited

C: that any discussion about race will force me into unleashing some whoop asses on all of your ignorant behinds

 

i'd like you all to tell me what affirmative action benefits you think me or my daughter (we're both black and college educated) you think we've received in our lifetimes.

 

There is no way for me to know this just like you couldn't know what my sons and I have been denied because we are white. It works both ways peenie.

 

Edit: The beauty is that because we had to work harder for what we got we came out stronger because of it. :thumbsup: White Males kick butt!

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i'd like you all to tell me what affirmative action benefits you think me or my daughter (we're both black and college educated) you think we've received in our lifetimes.

 

Why should we...You'll just delete it. :banana:

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There is no way for me to know this just like you couldn't know what my sons and I have been denied because we are white. It works both ways peenie.

 

Edit: The beauty is that because we had to work harder for what we got we came out stronger because of it. :thumbsup: White Males kick butt!

 

but clearly there is the assumption that affirmative action has somehow robbed you of something, what? voltaire?

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but clearly there is the assumption that affirmative action has somehow robbed you of something, what? voltaire?

 

 

The college environment is where we noticed it the most and we know exactly what we missed out on. Since AA is the law they tell you that you missed out because of race (after you push them.) HTH

 

But like I said, there is nothing wrong with working harder for something because it makes you a better stronfer person and you appreciate it more.

 

The biggest problem I have with AA is that it forced us to lower most of our standards and the workforce has suffered.

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it's really sad that i've been a member of this site for so many years and you haven't learned...

A: to stop whining and complaining about the non-existent reverse racism against you

B: what affirmative action is, how it works and who it has benefited

C: that any discussion about race will force me into unleashing some whoop asses on all of your ignorant behinds

 

 

i'd like you all to tell me what affirmative action benefits you think me or my daughter (we're both black and college educated) you think we've received in our lifetimes.

 

AA has denied an uncountable number of white people admissions to colleges so that those colleges could accept lesser qualified minorities. Do you dispute that?

 

I seem to remember a thread when your daughter was applying to college where you specifically asked whether she should put her race down because you knew she's be treated advantageously if she did. Do you remember that thread? If so, how can you pretend AA hasn't benefited your and/or your daughter when you were considering using it specifically for it's benefits?

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AA has denied an uncountable number of white people admissions to colleges so that those colleges could accept lesser qualified minorities. Do you dispute that?

 

and work study jobs, acceptance into your school of study, etc.

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There is no way for me to know this just like you couldn't know what my sons and I have been denied because we are white. It works both ways peenie.

 

Edit: The beauty is that because we had to work harder for what we got we came out stronger because of it. :thumbsup: White Males kick butt!

 

You're so strong, having made something of yourself despite the terrible disadvantage of being a white male. Hats off to you sir! :thumbsup:

 

Oh wait, I guess you haven't really made anything of yourself, have you? Except for being good at mooching off your wife's pension, that is. Well, anyway, I'm sure you still somehow deserve credit for still being here despite the many obstacles life has thrown in your way on account of your race and sex.

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I guess that makes you the Giants Fan of your family.

 

I'm not a schizophrenic pedophile or a 9/11 war hero. :dunno:

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You're so strong, having made something of yourself despite the terrible disadvantage of being a white male. Hats off to you sir! :thumbsup:

 

Oh wait, I guess you haven't really made anything of yourself, have you? Except for being good at mooching off your wife's pension, that is. Well, anyway, I'm sure you still somehow deserve credit for still being here despite the many obstacles life has thrown in your way on account of your race and sex.

 

:overhead: You know nothing about me. Now get back to work you slacker while I have a few Pre-Happy Hour margaritas at the pool.

 

 

The internet provides a medium where losers can try to make fun of people who are more successful than they are.

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Now get back to work you slacker while I have a few Pre-Happy Hour margaritas at the pool.

 

Be sure to thank the Mrs. You wouldn't want her cutting you off from the teet, would you?

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AA has denied an uncountable number of white people admissions to colleges so that those colleges could accept lesser qualified minorities. Do you dispute that?

 

I seem to remember a thread when your daughter was applying to college where you specifically asked whether she should put her race down because you knew she's be treated advantageously if she did. Do you remember that thread? If so, how can you pretend AA hasn't benefited your and/or your daughter when you were considering using it specifically for it's benefits?

 

the school was the university of georgia which does not have any affirmative action programs.

my daughter was an honor student and had a high gpa.

the issue was that uga is highly competitive because of the hope scholarship which pays the tuition for honor students going to state schools in georgia.

uga would like to accept black students who usually don't even apply to the school.

affirmative action wasn't the issue but rather diversity.

i felt the school would be more likely to accept her because she was black than if she was white, but my daughter didn't want to check off black/african american.

it had nothing to do with accepting her with lesser grades or SAT scores.

it was accepting her because of her race; in a pool of equals the school might pick her to add more people of color to the school.

 

btw, emory requested a picture of her with her application.

 

UGA officials say it is difficult to compete for the small pool of top black students who have the grades and test scores to get in. The average freshman at the university has a 1215 SAT score out of a possible 1600.

 

The University of Georgia's old admissions policy gave a statistical boost to black students. But in August 2001, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the policy was unconstitutional, which also resulted in Georgia's public colleges cutting race-based scholarships.

(old article, SAT now has 3 parts instead of 2 when this article was written)

 

if you see this as displacing a white student, then you are ignoring all the other characteristics that go into admitting students. do you think cam newtown displaced a deserving white student at auburn?

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the school was the university of georgia which does not have any affirmative action programs.

my daughter was an honor student and had a high gpa.

the issue was that uga is highly competitive because of the hope scholarship which pays the tuition for honor students going to state schools in georgia.

uga would like to accept black students who usually don't even apply to the school.

affirmative action wasn't the issue but rather diversity.

i felt the school would be more likely to accept her because she was black than if she was white, but my daughter didn't want to check off black/african american.

it had nothing to do with accepting her with lesser grades or SAT scores.

it was accepting her because of her race; in a pool of equals the school might pick her to add more people of color to the school.

 

btw, emory requested a picture of her with her application.

 

If you felt the school was more likely to accept her is they knew she black instead of white then it definitely DID have something to do with race. If she was so qualified based upon her being an honor student and all of that why would you have any doubt she could get in on her own merits? You wanted to use race as a crutch to give her an advantage. And you wonder why you're considered the biggest racist on this bored. You don't even know when you're being racist.

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If you felt the school was more likely to accept her is they knew she black instead of white then it definitely DID have something to do with race. If she was so qualified based upon her being an honor student and all of that why would you have any doubt she could get in on her own merits? You wanted to use race as a crutch to give her an advantage. And you wonder why you're considered the biggest racist on this bored. You don't even know when you're being racist.

 

Only the dumbasses think peenie is "the biggest racist on this bored".

 

Personally I'll go with the folks who drop the n-word and suggest that the president and his wife are primates.

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Only the dumbasses think peenie is "the biggest racist on this bored".

 

Personally I'll go with the folks who drop the n-word and suggest that the president and his wife are primates.

 

Yeah cause making jokes on a message bored with no ramifications in the real world is more important than someone who would work the system to give her daughter an advantage based on race.

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Yeah cause making jokes on a message bored with no ramifications in the real world is more important than someone who would work the system to give her daughter an advantage based on race.

I hardly think a parent trying to give her a daughter an advantage by using something that is already in place would qualify her as a racist. Not saying she is or isn't one, but that alone sure as hell doesn't make her one.

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