vegassandwich227 0 Posted August 20, 2012 When Baseball HOF started, I think they only inducted 5 guys per year. Who would your 5 be? I picked one per position, with a flex 1. QB: Peyton Manning 2. RB: Marshall Faulk 3. WR: Jerry Rice 4. Flex: LT 5. TE: Tony Gonzalez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted August 20, 2012 When Baseball HOF started, I think they only inducted 5 guys per year. Who would your 5 be? I picked one per position, with a flex 1. QB: Peyton Manning 2. RB: Marshall Faulk 3. WR: Jerry Rice 4. Flex: LT 5. TE: Tony Gonzalez Brady, Rogers, Tomlinson, Owens, Too early for Gronk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgs316 14 Posted August 20, 2012 I exclude some because they didn't really play during the FF era. Steve Young - The original do it all QB. Marshall Faulk - The original "You need me to win you this week, sure thing buddy." Randy Moss and Jerry Rice - The only WR's worth taking in the first round. Gates - The evolution of Gonzalez and the prototype for Graham and Gronk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomidius 1 Posted August 20, 2012 Tomlinson Priest Holmes Randy Moss Jerry Rice Tom Brady Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fearsome 22 Posted August 20, 2012 These are guys that were not long term or mega superstars, maybe they were reserves or role players, but these are players that, for a few years, helped many guys win their leagues. Terry Allen Stephen Davis Terrell Davis Edgerrin James Jamaal Lewis Clinton Portis Shaun Alexander Isaac Bruce Jimmy Smith Hines Ward Muhsin Muhamaad Rod Smith Keenan McCardell Joey Galloway Warren Moon Vinny Testaverde Drew Bledsoe Kerry Collins Mark Brunell Steve McNair Jon Kitna Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted August 20, 2012 You can't be in it if you're still playing. EVERY HoF rule! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,993 Posted August 20, 2012 Emmitt would certainly have to go in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vegassandwich227 0 Posted August 20, 2012 You can't be in it if you're still playing. EVERY HoF rule! i started this topic, so it's my HOF and I make the rules. Active players are eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prisoners 2 Posted August 20, 2012 Dorsey Levens. I won my league with his 146 yd/4 TD performance in week 17 of the '99 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted August 20, 2012 i started this topic, so it's my HOF and I make the rules. Active players are eligible. Then I not answering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,219 Posted August 20, 2012 Too early for Gronk? Yes. possibly too early for rodgers as well You can't be in it if you're still playing. EVERY HoF rule! not golf HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longlurker 0 Posted August 21, 2012 Jimmy Smith---Still the highest point total for a single game in our league. Kurt Warner---Several Huge seasons Roger Craig---The first 1000/1000 guy The Ravens Def/ST---During their Super Bowl Season Neil Rackers---Won me my league one year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law 220 Posted August 21, 2012 Tommy Maddox!??! No seriously: Marshall Faulk Priest Holmes LT Those guys should be the first three, I think. Then there are dozens more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted August 21, 2012 You can't be in it if you're still playing. EVERY HoF rule! I'll break that rule for RANDY!!!! He won me several Superbowls! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 496 Posted August 21, 2012 Marshall Faulk Priest Holmes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted August 21, 2012 QB: Favre RB: E.Smith WR: Rice TE: Sharpe (flex): Thurman Old School Style Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geddy11 4 Posted August 21, 2012 Marshall Faulk is the #1 all time, best Fantasy player of all time. Tomlinson, R. Moss, Priest Holmes. My first Championship consisted of Jamal Lewis's 2000yrd season and Ahman Green with around 17-1800 with many TD's. I can remember Favre being the #1 pick in many drafts years back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,105 Posted August 21, 2012 When Baseball HOF started, I think they only inducted 5 guys per year. Who would your 5 be? I picked one per position, with a flex 1. QB: Peyton Manning 2. RB: Marshall Faulk 3. WR: Jerry Rice 4. Flex: LT 5. TE: Tony Gonzalez I'm stealing this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msudavedawg 5 Posted August 21, 2012 Agree with many already posted. My adds: Drew Brees: On a par with the all time FF great QBs. I don't think I have ever seen a QB go in the first round of drafts as much as he does. Curtis Martin: The definition of FF longevity. Marvin Harrison: Great career and his stats for the 4 consecutive seasons for 1999-2002 will probably never be equaled. Antonio Gates: The prototype WR masquerading as a TE. Sebastian Janikowski: No stats to back this one up but never seen another kicker that the coach would pretty much let him try it from any distance within 70 yards (he's attempted more 60+ yard FGs (7) than anyone else). For a pretty thankless FF position, if you want a kicker who is going to kick a lot, he is always a safe pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perennial Contender 18 Posted August 21, 2012 RB- Marshall Faulk, LaDainian Tomlinson, Priest Holmes, Emmitt Smith, O.J. Simpson. QB- Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner. WR- Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Tim Brown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longlurker 0 Posted August 21, 2012 No love for Barry Sanders? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomServo 0 Posted August 21, 2012 No love for Barry Sanders? Barry Sanders had some awful TD years, and many leagues were "standard" scoring (TD only) back then (barf). Kurt Warner is a MUST. Lots of folks, myself included, rode a hunch on a $1 player/20th rounder to a championship with Kurt starting. Marshall Faulk also - his rushing/receiving was legendary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nos23 1 Posted August 21, 2012 Rod smith put up some points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huh? 7 Posted August 21, 2012 My personal 5 would be: Marshall Faulk Terrell Davis Priest Holmes Randy Moss Marvin Harrison I know there are better guys out there, but these are the guys that have impacted my teams the most. They were the best guys during my championship seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,653 Posted August 21, 2012 Dirk diggler Johnny chimpo The muffin man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JKAP21 0 Posted August 23, 2012 Regardless of whether or not active players should be allowed in this discussion.... I personally choose to eliminate actives based on my own personal "HOF" standards. With that being said, my 5 would have to be (in no particular order) 1. Marshall Faulk 2. Ladanian Tomlinson 3. Emmitt Smith 4. Jerry Rice 5. Brett Favre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
josepaz2 1 Posted August 23, 2012 Seyi Ajirotutu He'll always have a special place in my heart after his 4/111 + 2TD game back in 2010 when I nabbed him off the WW minutes before the start of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 24, 2012 Fantasy Hall of Fame.......I WOULD BE A FIRST BALLOT HOF FOR SURE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted August 24, 2012 I remember when it seemed like whoever had Steve Young won their league. It can at times, come down to one player. Seem to remember a couple of those years for Peyton and Warner. One for Vick. I remember once I drafted Peyton #2 overall and ppl said I was crazy. These days people understand the idea that a QB scores more than any other position. More important than a #1 RB. Well, some people understand that. FWIW Marshal Faulk was also money for a couple years there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterMorgan 5 Posted August 24, 2012 Sammy Morris and the dude that took over to Rudi Johnson about 4-5 years ago when he went down with Injury would be my votes. They both led me to a championship after drafting Maroney/Rudi with my first 2 picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted August 24, 2012 Oh, and of course .... David Pattern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 24, 2012 You guys are absolutely missing one key rb who dominate fantasy for a 5 year stretch during the height of ff rising popularity.... SHAUN ALEXANDER Naysayers need only go look a his yearly stats before scoffing. Knowledgeable guys are going "ohhh yeaaa". The dude was 1400 14 for 5 years or so straight. Including his epic record setting year with over 20 Tds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,105 Posted August 24, 2012 I remember once I drafted Peyton #2 overall and ppl said I was crazy. These days people understand the idea that a QB scores more than any other position. More important than a #1 RB. I'm about to drop some knowledge on you and you're not even going to listen to it. Here goes. It's not important that a position scores more points than another position. A player's value is derived from the advantage he gives you over the rest of the players at that position. For instance, if Nate Kaeding consistently scored 300 more points over the season then the next highest scoring kicker, Nate would be worth the number 1 overall pick. Conversely, if Peyton Manning led the fantasy world in scoring and put up 5000 points over the course of the season, he wouldn't be worth a high pick if 20 other quarterbacks scored between 4990 and 4999 on the season. You can see it graphically. Let's say you start 1 QB, 2RBs, 3WRs in a 12 team league. Plot out the fantasy points of the top 12 QBs, the top 24 RBs, and the top 36 WRs. Back in the day, you would see the runningback graph was a decaying exponential while the qb and wr graphs had linear slopes. Now the guys on the exponentially decaying curve are going to be extremely valuable because there is a big dropoff from one guy to the next. For two positions with linear curves, the relative strength of the positions is given by the one with the larger slope. Nowadays, every position is pretty linear thanks to RBBC and the ppr rules and the new pass happy offenses, but if you get the guys who breaks out above the linear performance curve, you get a big advantage (see Vick his first year out of jail) The novice thinks the goal of fantasy football is to gather as many high scoring players as you can. The savvy veteran thinks the goal is to assemble a team of players that will collectively score the most points over the average starter at their respective positions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted August 24, 2012 I'm about to drop some knowledge on you and you're not even going to listen to it. Here goes. It's not important that a position scores more points than another position. A player's value is derived from the advantage he gives you over the rest of the players at that position. For instance, if Nate Kaeding consistently scored 300 more points over the season then the next highest scoring kicker, Nate would be worth the number 1 overall pick. Conversely, if Peyton Manning led the fantasy world in scoring and put up 5000 points over the course of the season, he wouldn't be worth a high pick if 20 other quarterbacks scored between 4990 and 4999 on the season. The novice thinks the goal of fantasy football is to gather as many high scoring players as you can. The savvy veteran thinks the goal is to assemble a team of players that will collectively score the most points over the average starter at their respective positions. No, I get that. You thinking I didn't know that? It all comes down to the rules. I should mention that the year I took Peyton Manning 2nd overall it was a 6 point passing TD league. But my point is, it's VERY hard to get a top tier QB if you don't draft one, because nobody wants to trade them. Kickers ... you can play based on matchups, best waiver all year and get similar points to a top notch K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,105 Posted August 24, 2012 No, I get that. You thinking I didn't know that? It all comes down to the rules. I should mention that the year I took Peyton Manning 2nd overall it was a 6 point passing TD league. But my point is, it's VERY hard to get a top tier QB if you don't draft one, because nobody wants to trade them. Kickers ... you can play based on matchups, best waiver all year and get similar points to a top notch K. I know you think you get it, but I don't think you really get it because you said, "These days people understand the idea that a QB scores more than any other position." That shows a very naive way of thinking about the game. And you also don't seem to understand my kicker example. I chose kicker on purpose, too, just to illustrate the point that position doesn't matter. If you graph out kicker production, it's a very flat (in other words low slope), linear line. That means they all do about the same which is why it is correct strategy to wait when drafting them. However, if some magical kicker showed up and outscored all other kickers by an average of 15 points per game, it would be correct to make sure you draft that kicker before anyone else can grab him even if it meant taking him number 1 overall1. This applies to any position... QB, TE, WR, RB doesn't matter. The takeaway here is that the guys who will outscore the average starter at their position by the most are the most valuable players. That is very very very different from saying the guys that score the most points are the most valuable. 1 In general this is the case, for this example that would probably be true just because 1 player averaging that much more than anyone else is rare, but there's also a few draft theroies at play here as well: 1. Take the most valuable player that won't be available on your next pick. In our example, since people are so kicker averse, you may be able to wait. 2. Take a combination of players that cumulatively will give you the greatest advantage over the average set of starters. For example, when faced with two equally valuable players at different positions try to take the player that you can pair with a more valuable starter at another position later. (This theory goes way way deeper than that example; I could write a book on the game theory of FF, but I'm trying to keep it short - moderately at least) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted August 24, 2012 Yeah, actually I do get it. I get the reason for the kicker comparison. Isn't the leading NFL scorer of all time a kicker? But when you take tiers into consideration ... a tier 2 or even tier 4 kicker is not going to be that much behind a tier 1 guy. Particularly if you play the match ups. A lot of people use this technique for defenses too, which can also be more consistent than a QB. But, a tier 2 QB, or hopefully not tier 4 QB is a whole different ball of wax. You didn't overspend on a QB, have a great RB ... but the team with Aaron Rodgers is putting up sick points every week. You wish you had a top tier QB ... and the guy who has one, isn't gonna trade with you, unless he can rape you. If you care about winning, drafting a QB (or even 2 or 3) early, I think, in general, is the best strategy. Even with 4 point passing TDs. I was one of the first people to say that, and ppl still don't believe it. Do the math. There's a huge difference between say, Aaron Rodgers fantasy points in a given year, and Ben Rotlisberger's. A much bigger difference than there is between Nate Keading and Rob Bironas. A couple years ago I drafted Rogers and got Vick off waivers. Vick, was putting up #1 QB AND #1 RB type numbers each week. I traded Rogers to a losing team so that team could beat up on my competition. Was so smart. I ended up winning it all with Vick that year. Vick and Tamme off waivers. That was the year Randy Moss ... my first round pick ... went from a total stud to a worthless headache. Yeah, got Rogers in the second. It's all about value. Team in my sig is an auction from last year ... no way will I get Brees, Megatron and Run DMC this year. I was 6-0, crushing it when DMC went down. Sent me into a losing streak, I spent all my free agent money on Kevin Smith and then he got hurt ... one more regular season win, and I woulda won it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 24, 2012 Qb early, team suffers surely. Qb late, ur team ain't great. Qb mid, you'll be glad you did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites