Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

[The Moz 69]

 

I can actually see a manslaughter charge sticking on this one. Murder 2? No way in hell.

 

I think manslaughter should have been the original charge anyway, frankly, I think that is a slam dunk. There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmy is guilty of man2

You a convenient store in the Miami area - RLLD? No He may of indeed but there is no way to prove it beyond any sort of doubt.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I can actually see a manslaughter charge sticking on this one. Murder 2? No way in hell.

 

I think manslaughter should have been the original charge anyway, frankly, I think that is a slam dunk. There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmy is guilty of man2

Why ? Was he somehow obliged to let his skull get bashed against concrete until he either passed out, suffered brain damage or died ?

 

He walks, as he should.

[RLLD 4,256]

Why ? Was he somehow obliged to let his skull get bashed against concrete until he either passed out, suffered brain damage or died ?

 

He walks, as he should.

 

JMHO - He admits to tailing the kid, and I think his injuries are not all that much. I just have a problem in general with any yahoo being able to pull a gun and blow someone away because they say they were afraid. I do have an issue with a kid being killed like this, even if the kid clearly acted like an idiot wannabe thug, that is not a good enough reason to die, even in Sanford.....

[RLLD 4,256]

Why ? Was he somehow obliged to let his skull get bashed against concrete until he either passed out, suffered brain damage or died ?

 

He walks, as he should.

 

I do agree that he should walk away from murder 2, no question about that.

[RLLD 4,256]

You a convenient store in the Miami area - RLLD? No He may of indeed but there is no way to prove it beyond any sort of doubt.

 

LMFAO - No i do not, but if I did, I would close shop on verdict day and ship my inventory elsewhere for a week or so. The animals in the hood could care less about justice......they just want whitey to take a hit.

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

Why ? Was he somehow obliged to let his skull get bashed against concrete until he either passed out, suffered brain damage or died ?

 

He walks, as he should.

 

You obviously have brain damage, but it doesn't mean you get to kill anyone.

[The Moz 69]

 

.they just want whitey to take a hit.

Yet they burn and loot their own neighborhood.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You obviously have brain damage, but it doesn't mean you get to kill anyone.

You obviously like cack, doesn't mean you get to have mine.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

JMHO - He admits to tailing the kid, and I think his injuries are not all that much. I just have a problem in general with any yahoo being able to pull a gun and blow someone away because they say they were afraid. I do have an issue with a kid being killed like this, even if the kid clearly acted like an idiot wannabe thug, that is not a good enough reason to die, even in Sanford.....

 

This is how I feel.

 

In short, Zimmerman should not be found guilty of Murder 2. And based on what we've heard I think Manslaughter is pushing it. That being said, he shouldn't have a day go by for the rest of his life in which he doesn't think to himself "I am the reason that kid is dead."

[RLLD 4,256]

 

This is how I feel.

 

In short, Zimmerman should not be found guilty of Murder 2. And based on what we've heard I think Manslaughter is pushing it. That being said, he shouldn't have a day go by for the rest of his life in which he doesn't think to himself "I am the reason that kid is dead."

 

Werd. He should have to perform community service every year on the anniversary of the killing, tending to that kids grave....

[cbfalcon 825]

Just speaking in generalities...

 

Both parties were culpable in the confrontation occurring. Until it went to the ground, either could have just turned and ran at any moment. Sure, you may feel like a p*ssy, but you'll get over it.

 

The difference in my mind is one party entered into the confrontation knowing he had a gun. The other had no clue a gun was a part of the scenario. I feel the person with the gun has extra responsibility to bail. He is the one that has the trump card and he is the one that knows how bad this could get. The other guy rightly believes a fist fight (something we've all been in multiple times) is as bad as it can get.

 

It's not murder 2. But Zimmerman is completely responsible for another human being's death.

[drobeski 3,061]

Just speaking in generalities...

 

Both parties were culpable in the confrontation occurring. Until it went to the ground, either could have just turned and ran at any moment. Sure, you may feel like a p*ssy, but you'll get over it.

 

The difference in my mind is one party entered into the confrontation knowing he had a gun. The other had no clue a gun was a part of the scenario. I feel the person with the gun has extra responsibility to bail. He is the one that has the trump card and he is the one that knows how bad this could get. The other guy rightly believes a fist fight (something we've all been in multiple times) is as bad as it can get.

 

It's not murder 2. But Zimmerman is completely responsible for another human being's death.

how does he bail while he is being straddled and having his head bashed against pavement ?

[KSB2424 3,148]

George Zimmerman will probably have to move to another country. He will always be looking over his shoulder for fear of his life after all of this, etc. Trust me, its not like he is getting off scott free in all of this.

[The Moz 69]

hat being said, he shouldn't have a day go by for the rest of his life in which he doesn't think to himself "I am the reason that kid is dead."

 

I am fairly sure he will be in his own prison for many years after the case -- living in fear, having people look at him wherever he goes, getting dirty looks everywhere by blacks etc. Sadly I actually think it was Trayvon's fault but I do think Martin took it far.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

I am fairly sure he will be in his own prison for many years after the case -- living in fear, having people look at him wherever he goes, getting dirty looks everywhere by blacks etc. Sadly I actually think it was Trayvon's fault but I do think Martin took it far.

 

He'll be getting dirty looks from blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, etc. Not just blacks buddy.

 

Just look how divided this board is, and we are all white.

[parrot 789]

Just speaking in generalities...

 

Both parties were culpable in the confrontation occurring. Until it went to the ground, either could have just turned and ran at any moment. Sure, you may feel like a p*ssy, but you'll get over it.

 

The difference in my mind is one party entered into the confrontation knowing he had a gun. The other had no clue a gun was a part of the scenario. I feel the person with the gun has extra responsibility to bail. He is the one that has the trump card and he is the one that knows how bad this could get. The other guy rightly believes a fist fight (something we've all been in multiple times) is as bad as it can get.

 

It's not murder 2. But Zimmerman is completely responsible for another human being's death.

"Isn't that just like a ******? Brings his fists to a gun fight."

[RLLD 4,256]

 

I am fairly sure he will be in his own prison for many years after the case -- living in fear, having people look at him wherever he goes, getting dirty looks everywhere by blacks etc. Sadly I actually think it was Trayvon's fault but I do think Martin took it far.

 

But, isn't that the same thing the African American community is suggesting they have to deal with? I mean, they would not do the very thing that they themselves dislike....would they?

 

[NewbieJr 541]

 

The difference in my mind is one party entered into the confrontation knowing he had a gun. The other had no clue a gun was a part of the scenario. I feel the person with the gun has extra responsibility to bail. He is the one that has the trump card and he is the one that knows how bad this could get. The other guy rightly believes a fist fight (something we've all been in multiple times) is as bad as it can get.

 

I have no problem if the end result of all this is that thugs (whether black white or brown) become leery of jumping and beating on people for fear that they might have a gun and would be allowed, by law, to use it.

[parrot 789]

I have no problem if the end result of all this is that thugs (whether black white or brown) become leery of jumping and beating on people for fear that they might have a gun and would be allowed, by law, to use it.

[The Moz 69]

I have no problem if the end result of all this is that thugs (whether black white or brown) become leery of jumping and beating on people for fear that they might have a gun and would be allowed, by law, to use it.

Since Guns are legal in some states to carry concealed I can't find GZ guilty. While i am for rights to own a gun - I do not think any average citizen should ever be able to carry a gun on them unless it in their car going to/from (the range, hunting, or after you bought it)

[NorthernVike 2,087]

Since Guns are legal in some states to carry concealed I can't find GZ guilty. While i am for rights to own a gun - I do not think any average citizen should ever be able to carry a gun on them unless it in their car going to/from (the range, hunting, or after you bought it)

Then move to the UK. This is America, we have the right to bear arms.

[parrot 789]

Since Guns are legal in some states to carry concealed I can't find GZ guilty. While i am for rights to own a gun - I do not think any average citizen should ever be able to carry a gun on them unless it in their car going to/from (the range, hunting, or after you bought it)

Why the hell not? Very few licensed concealed carry guns are used in crimes, or involved in accidental shootings while in the act of being carried. Most accidents happen in the home, or in the hunting field.

[The Moz 69]

Then move to the UK. This is America, we have the right to bear arms.

Just a preference - I own many guns - hell most of them are even licensed

 

Also in the UK you have to worry about being hacked to death with a cleaver

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Why the hell not? Very few licensed concealed carry guns are used in crimes, or involved in accidental shootings while in the act of being carried. Most accidents happen in the home, or in the hunting field.

Violent crime also goes down in states that pass CC.

 

Thugs do not know who has a gun and training to shoot them.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

I have no problem if the end result of all this is that thugs (whether black white or brown) become leery of jumping and beating on people for fear that they might have a gun and would be allowed, by law, to use it.

You make it sound like Martin confronted Zimmerman for no reason at all. This isn't the case of some home invader getting shot or something.

[cbfalcon 825]

I have no problem if the end result of all this is that thugs (whether black white or brown) become leery of jumping and beating on people for fear that they might have a gun and would be allowed, by law, to use it.

 

That would be nice. But it's not realistic.

 

Think about your own life. Anytime anyone mouths off to you, cuts you off in traffic, bumps into you etc, are you now going to just always take it because you'll fear the person has a gun on them?

 

Obviously it's all relative. But people are people. Adrenaline trumps reason for many. Always will.

[Mungwater 597]

You make it sound like Martin confronted Zimmerman for no reason at all. This isn't the case of some home invader getting shot or something.

It's totally different, and old George got out of that car to confront him, which isn't a crime, once it got physical, it's a new ball game. In fact, I'm willing to bet old George probably flashed the weapon. I don't see how he can get a weapon out of the side holster with someone on top.

 

It's a focked situation and we all lose

[The Moz 69]

In this case the truth is pretty irrelevant. There are no eye witnesses and the evidence is minimal at best. Comes down to do you believe Zimmerman or not. And the fact GZ really hasn't changed his story that much - which is VERY common to happen when something has been mulled over for over a year now - is IMO the key thing. If I were to judge this on what I think happened I would give him manslaughter but judging on what we have to go on and the trial so far anything but a full acquittal and I call shenanigans.

[parrot 789]

 

That would be nice. But it's not realistic.

 

Think about your own life. Anytime anyone mouths off to you, cuts you off in traffic, bumps into you etc, are you now going to just always take it because you'll fear the person has a gun on them?

 

Obviously it's all relative. But people are people. Adrenaline trumps reason for many. Always will.

 

Anyone with any brains just takes trivial crap like this anyway because it's not worth the hassle. If you're the type of person who stalks around looking for beefs with people who bump into you or cut you off in traffic, then absolutely you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Luckily most of us aren't that way.

[The Moz 69]

 

Luckily most of us aren't that way.

Absolutely! ......................................................... slowly hides behind couch.......................... backs up ever so gently - picks up rock - slids under - puts rock down .................................. whistles while looking up at the sky and putting a halo over head.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

Anyone with any brains just takes trivial crap like this anyway because it's not worth the hassle. If you're the type of person who stalks around looking for beefs with people who bump into you or cut you off in traffic, then absolutely you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Luckily most of us aren't that way.

Most of us aren't wannabe cops following black kids around our neighborhood either.

[NewbieJr 541]

You make it sound like Martin confronted Zimmerman for no reason at all. This isn't the case of some home invader getting shot or something.

I don't care that Zimmerman followed Martin to keep an eye on him till cops arrived. That's not an excuse to get physical and pound somebody on the ground.

[parrot 789]

Most of us aren't wannabe cops following black kids around our neighborhood either.

 

No, most of us aren't. Zimmerman was though, and it's a good thing he was armed since one of those black kids apparently decided to attack him. Which brings us right back to Newb's original point.

[The Moz 69]

My best friend who is also Mexican is already using the "Zimmermaned" phrase. When talking about a black kid dating his daughter..............

[BLS 314]

 

JMHO - He admits to tailing the kid, and I think his injuries are not all that much. I just have a problem in general with any yahoo being able to pull a gun and blow someone away because they say they were afraid. I do have an issue with a kid being killed like this, even if the kid clearly acted like an idiot wannabe thug, that is not a good enough reason to die, even in Sanford.....

 

Expert witness testified yesterday that blows to head on concrete could easily be fatal.

Don't wanna get shot? Don't start fights and then bash another man's head on the concrete.

 

I would have done exactly the same thing in that situation.

[The Moz 69]

 

 

I would have done exactly the same thing in that situation.

so would I of no question -- but did GZ story really happen like that? No one will ever really know

[BLS 314]

so would I of no question -- but did GZ story really happen like that? No one will ever really know

He does. And like you said, we'll never really know.

There aren't enough facts or evidence to suggest anything but self defense. I think the man should walk (and I think the State should pay his legal fees for this BS witch hunt).

 

Dude's life is ruined.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Expert witness testified yesterday that blows to head on concrete could easily be fatal.

Don't wanna get shot? Don't start fights and then bash another man's head on the concrete.

 

I would have done exactly the same thing in that situation.

Racist

[Mungwater 597]

so would I of no question -- but did GZ story really happen like that? No one will ever really know

I don't think it did, why would he have to get out of the car to see a street sign for his own neighborhood that has only like three streets? But, I don't think that's a real big big deal because confronting someone in the streets isn't a crime.

 

All the evidence is backing his story.

[redtodd 7]

You make it sound like Martin confronted Zimmerman for no reason at all. This isn't the case of some home invader getting shot or something.

 

There is a difference between verbal confrontation and physical confrontation. All Trayvon had to do was say "piss off, you cracker-ass mofo, I am here at my Dad's. Leave the heck along you ractist POS."

Simple.