edjr 5,564 Posted July 23, 2013 Between 1999 and 2002, Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez were both absolutely SICK. The two most dominant pitchers during that time span (yes, I know that Roger Clemens went 20-3 in 2001). So my question to you is: between 1999 and 2002, who was better? Johnson or Pedro?Here are their stats:Randy Johnson1999: 17-9, 271.7 innings pitched, 2.48 ERA, 364 strikeouts2000: 19-7, 248.7 innings pitched, 2.64 ERA, 347 strikeouts2001: 21-6, 249.7 innings pitched, 2.49 ERA, 372 strikeouts2002: 24-5, 260 innings pitched, 2.32 ERA, 334 strikeoutsThe Big Unit won the NL Cy Young in each of those four seasons.Here's Pedro:1999: 23-4, 213.3 innings pitched, 2.07 ERA, 313 strikeouts2000: 18-6, 217 innings pitched, 1.74 ERA, 284 strikeouts2001: 7-3 in 18 starts, 116.7 innings pitched, 2.39 ERA, finished with 163 strikeouts still.2002: 20-4, 199.3 innings pitched, 2.26 ERA, 239 strikeoutsPedro won the AL Cy Young in 1999 and 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted July 23, 2013 Pedro was the most feared and it wasn't close. Randy was really good and had but if you asked any baller during that time who they didn't want to face most of all it would be Pedro resounding. You could occasional y catch up to Randy fast ball and if you did often it was a HR so you could score on Randy even when the heater was full go. Pedro - let's say the game became a lot shorter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted July 23, 2013 Pedro was the most feared and it wasn't close. Randy was really good and had but if you asked any baller during that time who they didn't want to face most of all it would be Pedro resounding. You could occasional y catch up to Randy fast ball and if you did often it was a HR so you could score on Randy even when the heater was full go. Pedro - let's say the game became a lot shorter. the difference between them was Pedro's changeup was unhittable and RJ didn't have anything like that. and this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLpaZ5VQVn0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted July 23, 2013 Pedro was the more dominant pitcher. His WHIP was also well below Johnson's. But it can be argued that Randy did more for his team than Pedro, pitching an average of 50 more innings a year (even ignoring 2001). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted July 23, 2013 Pedro was the most feared and it wasn't close. Randy was really good and had but if you asked any baller during that time who they didn't want to face most of all it would be Pedro resounding. You could occasional y catch up to Randy fast ball and if you did often it was a HR so you could score on Randy even when the heater was full go. Pedro - let's say the game became a lot shorter. tell that to the bird... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QcEWV7ANM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted July 24, 2013 tell that to the bird... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4QcEWV7ANM Randy was the Hardest thrower I have ever seen for a starter. The guy had maybe the greatest fastball I have ever heard of even better than Ryan's . Randy had the better numbers by the stats but the eye test who was more dominant Pedro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 When David Ortiz (who tested positive) makes the HOF (1st ballot) and Bonds/Clemens do not (neither tested positive) Will you admit the MBL is a complete and utter sham? Ortiz was nice to the media and Bonds/Clemens were not what a focking joke. All the fat losers at BBWAA are the people that elect HOFers. Enough said 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted January 18, 2022 Ryan Thibodaux has his entire twitter account seemingly dedicated to this and keeps a running count of publicly made ballots. It's damn close for Bonds and Clemens. Baseball Hall of Fame Vote Tracker - Ballots. Lots and lots of Ballots. (bbhoftracker.com) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,034 Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Voltaire said: Ryan Thibodaux has his entire twitter account seemingly dedicated to this and keeps a running count of publicly made ballots. It's damn close for Bonds and Clemens. Baseball Hall of Fame Vote Tracker - Ballots. Lots and lots of Ballots. (bbhoftracker.com) Neither will break 70, subtract at least 10% for the unknown ballots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Voltaire said: Ryan Thibodaux has his entire twitter account seemingly dedicated to this and keeps a running count of publicly made ballots. It's damn close for Bonds and Clemens. Baseball Hall of Fame Vote Tracker - Ballots. Lots and lots of Ballots. (bbhoftracker.com) People that are not voting for them, are the ones not telling people they voted for the likes of Carl Crawford, Prince Fielder, Ryan Howard, Tim Lincecum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,220 Posted January 18, 2022 Baseball writers are irrelevant and should be treated as such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 18, 2022 13 hours ago, edjr said: When David Ortiz (who tested positive) makes the HOF (1st ballot) and Bonds/Clemens do not (neither tested positive) Will you admit the MBL is a complete and utter sham? Ortiz was nice to the media and Bonds/Clemens were not what a focking joke. All the fat losers at BBWAA are the people that elect HOFers. Enough said I agree with you completely but I hope they never get in. Not because of the cheating, but because both are the biggest egomaniacal d!ckheads on the planet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,559 Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bert said: I agree with you completely but I hope they never get in. Not because of the cheating, but because both are the biggest egomaniacal d!ckheads on the planet. Is Hillary in third place or Xi Jinping? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bert said: I agree with you completely but I hope they never get in. Not because of the cheating, but because both are the biggest egomaniacal d!ckheads on the planet. Rickey Henderson? Bob Gibson? They are in. I would say Rickey was the biggest egomaniac of all time in any sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, edjr said: Rickey Henderson? Bob Gibson? They are in. I would say Rickey was the biggest egomaniac of all time in any sport. Rickey is bad but not as big a d!ck as Barry and Roger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Is Hillary in third place or Xi Jinping? These two are pure evil. A whole different category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Bert said: Rickey is bad but not as big a d!ck as Barry and Roger. Never met them, I can't honestly say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,034 Posted January 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, edjr said: Rickey Henderson? Bob Gibson? They are in. I would say Rickey was the biggest egomaniac of all time in any sport. Ricky? Ricky will tell you that Ricky is very humble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Ricky? Ricky will tell you that Ricky is very humble. And that Rickey is the greatest of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, edjr said: Never met them, I can't honestly say. I've met Roger and I know people that have worked with Barry. Ricky is more like Dion. Totally full of himself but not a d!ck 24/7 on top of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bert said: I've met Roger and I know people that have worked with Barry. Ricky is more like Dion. Totally full of himself but not a d!ck 24/7 on top of it. http://www.daggerpress.com/2008/02/19/the-rocket-man-takes-a-hit-misremembering-roger-clemens-steroid-testimony/ I would say Clemens was a bigger DB than Bonds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted January 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, edjr said: http://www.daggerpress.com/2008/02/19/the-rocket-man-takes-a-hit-misremembering-roger-clemens-steroid-testimony/ I would say Clemens was a bigger DB than Bonds That would not surprise me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 18, 2022 With Ortiz probably getting in on the first ballot, any respect I had left for the writers electing members for the hall is gone... Unless they vote in Bonds and Clemens as well... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 18, 2022 James Bond and Buck Rogers are already hall of famers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 19, 2022 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-voting-david-ortiz-will-be-close-call-bonds-schilling-a-rod-likely-to-fall-short/ Baseball Hall of Fame voting: David Ortiz will be close call; Bonds, Schilling, A-Rod likely to fall short 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 7:16 PM, edjr said: When David Ortiz (who tested positive) makes the HOF (1st ballot) and Bonds/Clemens do not (neither tested positive) Will you admit the MBL is a complete and utter sham? Ortiz was nice to the media and Bonds/Clemens were not what a focking joke. All the fat losers at BBWAA are the people that elect HOFers. Enough said didnt Bonds get nabbed for the cream stuff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,647 Posted January 19, 2022 I talk baseball all the time with my friends. Can’t remember the last time we talked about the HOF. I live a few hours away from the hall. Been once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I talk baseball all the time with my friends. Can’t remember the last time we talked about the HOF. I live a few hours away from the hall. Been once. and yet when anyone says Eli doesnt belong in the Hall, you whine and say everyone hates him 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,647 Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Herbivore said: and yet when anyone says Eli doesnt belong in the Hall, you whine and say everyone hates him I make the case. Sorry I don’t agree with you and join the discussion. You’re trying too hard. And people go after him way too much, for a good guy who is a 2x champion. I have covered why. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,034 Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Herbivore said: didnt Bonds get nabbed for the cream stuff? Sort of. Mostly he's denied it. There was an exhaustive book about it, detailing 30K a month payments, witnesses to him injecting, all sorts of stuff, but no failed tests(Mostly because the labs are always ahead of the testers). In his testimony(leaked I believe), he admitted to using the supplements, but had no clue what they were...just stuff given to him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,647 Posted January 19, 2022 Binds got caught with a gigantic head. Literally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,034 Posted January 19, 2022 59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Binds got caught with a gigantic head. Literally. If only the Simpsons had chosen Bonds instead of Griffey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 987 Posted January 19, 2022 It's a joke of a hof. This years early official selections after voting was completed: Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Miñoso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, and Bud Fowler and Buck O’Neil were chosen by the Early Baseball Era Committee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 20, 2022 The Golden Girls? Perfect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 20, 2022 All class for David Ortiz: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/defense-dan-shaughnessys-david-ortiz-172723744.html David Ortiz on @Dan_Shaughnessy and not getting his HoF vote: "You know that Dan Shaughnessy has been an a$$hole to everybody" "He's got no damn power. You know that. Just the power of the pen to write what he believe on. But everyone knows he's an a$$hole. What can you do?" pic.twitter.com/dlwcZx16JW — Merloni & Fauria (@MerloniFauria) January 19, 2022 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 20, 2022 46 minutes ago, posty said: All class for David Ortiz: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/defense-dan-shaughnessys-david-ortiz-172723744.html David Ortiz on @Dan_Shaughnessy and not getting his HoF vote: "You know that Dan Shaughnessy has been an a$$hole to everybody" "He's got no damn power. You know that. Just the power of the pen to write what he believe on. But everyone knows he's an a$$hole. What can you do?" pic.twitter.com/dlwcZx16JW — Merloni & Fauria (@MerloniFauria) January 19, 2022 I actually love Shaughnessy, a GREAT sports writer and has never minded speaking the truth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
josh wiley 27 Posted January 21, 2022 Rickey Henderson made getting a walk exciting. Drops the mic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted January 21, 2022 If Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens is not in the MLB HOF then then the whole Hall is illegitimate. Yes, I know all the back story.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 21, 2022 2022 Baseball HOF: Rolen, Wagner could be big winners next week https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2277208 Please, just shut the focking HOF down if this is true Scott Focking Rolen HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted January 26, 2022 it is official. THE MLB HOF is a bigger joke than the Rock and Roll HOF David Ortiz: 307 votes, 77.9% Barry Bonds: 260 votes, 66% (final year on ballot) Roger Clemens: 257 votes, 65.2% (final year on ballot) Scott Rolen: 249 votes, 63.2% Curt Schilling: 231 votes, 58.6% (final year on ballot) Todd Helton: 205 votes, 52.0% Billy Wagner: 201 votes, 51.0% Andruw Jones: 163 votes, 41.1% Gary Sheffield: 160 votes, 40.6% Alex Rodriguez: 135 votes, 34.3% Jeff Kent: 129 votes, 32.7% Manny Ramirez: 114 votes, 28.9% Omar Vizquel: 94 votes, 23.9% Sammy Sosa: 73 votes, 18.5% (final year on ballot) Andy Pettitte: 42 votes, 10.7% Jimmy Rollins: 37 votes, 9.4% Bobby Abreu: 34 votes, 8.6% Mark Buehrle: 23 votes, 5.8% Torii Hunter: 21 votes, 5.3% Joe Nathan: 17 votes, 4.3% Tim Hudson: 12 votes, 3.0% Tim Lincecum: 9 votes, 2.3% Ryan Howard: 8 votes, 2.0% Mark Teixeira: 6 votes, 1.5% Justin Morneau: 5 votes, 1.3% Jonathan Papelbon: 5 votes, 1.3% Prince Fielder: 2 votes, 0.5% A.J. Pierzynski: 2 votes, 0.5% Carl Crawford: 0 votes, 0% Jake Peavy: 0 votes, 0% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites