Gandalfthecat 8 Posted September 25, 2013 We just downgraded at QB to someone who's potentially Gabbert-esque. I for one am a little worried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Busted by the Feds 9 Posted September 25, 2013 Damn, teams are throwing in the towel for the 2014 draft already ? Might as well join Jacksonville, Washington, Pittsburgh, and Minnesota . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack 1 6 Posted September 25, 2013 Too early to panic. Freeman was dreadful, so Glennon shouldn't be much worse. We Dougie owners should take a chill pill and not be freaked out by this move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 25, 2013 Ya, i would panic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman was dreadful, so Glennon shouldn't be much worse.. It can get worst.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Busted by the Feds 9 Posted September 25, 2013 Or you could, perhaps have what happened to Cleveland last week when they brought in the 3rd stringer to start ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted September 25, 2013 He may be dumping off to Martin a ton. If he gets happy feet and needs a security blanket, I can see Martin getting mucho love in the passing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman's numbers are WORSE than Tebow's career numbers! Glennon will be better than that guaranteed! Let's not forget, this is the same QB that caused Russel Wilson to transfer to Wisconsin! Now granted Wilson was playing baseball, but when he came back to the team they went with Glennon! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5Year1 23 Posted September 25, 2013 No. Was the first RB I drafted and will roll with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SexyRexy 60 Posted September 25, 2013 I actually think it'll help doug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted September 25, 2013 I don't think it can really hurt Martin because Freeman was already so bad. Martin's scoring chances have been limited because Freeman couldn't move the offense, nor could he seem to complete any passes to Martin. At worst the QB change is a push. Man, did Freeman go off a cliff. About midway through last season, he looked like an emerging top-10 QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted September 25, 2013 frankly this could be a decent buy low situation for martin. if I owned martin I wouldn't sell him for anything less than his preseason value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMilk 40 Posted September 25, 2013 I was freaking before the move. Glennon, however, is a check-down artist and thus could cause Martin's PPR value to increase. I tried to move Martin and Lamar Miller for TRich and Gio this morning and was told to get lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JtmoneyJag 25 Posted September 25, 2013 Who knows, find out this week. Isn't like you are trading him and isn't like you are benching him so no need to speculate. Wait and see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalfthecat 8 Posted September 25, 2013 Who knows, find out this week. Isn't like you are trading him and isn't like you are benching him so no need to speculate. Wait and see... This is the legit truth. Guess we cross our fingers and hope Glennon can stretch the field a bit better than Freeman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 380 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman's numbers are WORSE than Tebow's career numbers! Glennon will be better than that guaranteed! Let's not forget, this is the same QB that caused Russel Wilson to transfer to Wisconsin! Now granted Wilson was playing baseball, but when he came back to the team they went with Glennon! Umm, no, O'Brien is his ultimate wisdom told RW to make a choice, baseball or Football and when he refuesed he moved on and named MG the starter, after that RW made the move to Wisc. If RW had been allowed to return to Raliegh there in no question he would have been the starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-man 12 Posted September 25, 2013 I'm excited to see what the league's top player in rushes and second in rushing yards will do in weeks to come! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,351 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman was really stinking up the joint. So I wouldn't really freak out over his benching. I think the bigger problem is Schiano being a massive tool who is probably losing control of the team. At any rate I wouldn't exactly "panic", but the general trouble in Tampa is sure to effect the Muscle Hamster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,351 Posted September 25, 2013 I was freaking before the move. Glennon, however, is a check-down artist and thus could cause Martin's PPR value to increase. I tried to move Martin and Lamar Miller for TRich and Gio this morning and was told to get lost. It's a little early to label a rookie QB a "check down" artist, no? That said, Martin could be a nice safety valve as Glennon learns the game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillygrrl08 139 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman was stinking mainly because of receivers dropping passes and the OL being weak. If that continues, it doesn't matter who is behind center, it'll be more of the same with different numbers on the jerseys. If the OL and receiving corps get their collective acts together and use this as a wake up call, it could be good for Martin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-man 12 Posted September 25, 2013 We're going to start seeing the 35+ point games from Muscle Hampster that single-handedly win games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antiramie 50 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman was stinking mainly because of receivers dropping passes and the OL being weak. [Anton Chigurh] You don't know what you're talking about, do you? [/Chigurh] That same "weak" offensive line has only allowed 7 sacks and 12 hits so far on Freeman through 3 games. 10th and 9th best in the league. And although TB is 7th in drops (only 7 through 3 games also), it most likely has to do with Freeman's accuracy being god-awful. He had no idea how to look a defender off, go through progressions in a timely manner, or be comfortable in the pocket without panicking. He is an overpriced, overdrafted dud. Schiano is smart to make the move now before it cost him his job too. Glennon, while raw, can't be any worse than Freeman. I see this not affecting Martin's value at all. I told a lot of people that Martin probably wouldn't be worth the ADP due to the offense likely going stagnant this season with Freeman behind the helm again. So, I don't know if Martin will produce enough to live up to expectations after last year, but I don't think he does any worse than he has the first 3 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 597 Posted September 25, 2013 Freeman was really stinking up the joint. So I wouldn't really freak out over his benching. I think the bigger problem is Schiano being a massive tool who is probably losing control of the team. At any rate I wouldn't exactly "panic", but the general trouble in Tampa is sure to effect the Muscle Hamster. Agreed. There seems to be dressing room issues. dont know if its the coach or not, but some of the tweets I've read indicate this may be the bigger problem. If the coach is having a meltdown it's tough to expect much from the team. I would expect it would be tough Sledding for Martin. If I'm the Defense playing Tampa with a Rookie QB starting, I stack the box and force him to prove he can beat you by throwing the ball. If the kid can play.... no problem. If he cant, its safe to say Martin will not find many holes to run through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antiramie 50 Posted September 25, 2013 Agreed. There seems to be dressing room issues. dont know if its the coach or not, but some of the tweets I've read indicate this may be the bigger problem. If the coach is having a meltdown it's tough to expect much from the team. I would expect it would be tough Sledding for Martin. If I'm the Defense playing Tampa with a Rookie QB starting, I stack the box and force him to prove he can beat you by throwing the ball. If the kid can play.... no problem. If he cant, its safe to say Martin will not find many holes to run through. Change of QB won't affect Martin's performance. TB has the most conservative offense on the planet to begin with. Schiano has always been a run first, hard-nosed guy. And Sullivan's playcalling is evidence of that. No creativity. Run the ball on 1st down. Don't use Martin in space. Just stupid. Defenses have been keying on it since he took over. It's a joke. So unless teams start putting 10 guys in the box instead of 8, it can't get much worse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turf CamelToe 1 Posted September 26, 2013 2nd in rushing yardage...no worries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-man 12 Posted September 26, 2013 Per Yahoo "There are three kinds of running backs. Most backs fall into the hard runner category or the explosive runner category, but a small handful are in the third category which combines both elements. Don’t worry about Tampa’s Doug Martin, as he is getting ready to explode. Martin is first in the league in yards after contact with 162, tied for third with four broken tackles and tied for third with four explosive rushes (15+ yards)." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chroniciguana 13 Posted September 26, 2013 Just curious. After you panic, then what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
da_mane_man 1 Posted September 26, 2013 as a martin owner, if you ARE panicking, what would you accpet for douggie? CJ1K and a receiver? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gandalfthecat 8 Posted September 26, 2013 Just curious. After you panic, then what? Suicide. With a note addressed to Josh Freeman implicating him in your demise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted September 26, 2013 Just curious. After you panic, then what? profit It goes like this... over react(no panic yet) Panic PROFIT! Now you know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H-man 12 Posted September 27, 2013 Just do what I do, peruse youtube for a highlight vid of your slacking stud to make you feel at ease. This one helped me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqM1Nzdb2xU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antiramie 50 Posted September 27, 2013 When Martin gets into space it's like watching a rocket go off. His zero to loose time is phenomenal. If Tampa knew how to utilize him better he would be an absolute monster. Unfortunately, the holes haven't been big so far (passing ineptitude hasn't helped that cause) and Sullivan just plows him up the middle all the time into a barricade instead of getting him wide, running draw plays, or throwing to him in the flat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMilk 40 Posted September 29, 2013 Martin is inhaling the man satchel big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted September 29, 2013 "Panic" is a strong word. Concerned, for sure, that Tampa can't seem to figure out how to get him into open space, even in the passing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted September 29, 2013 "Panic" is a strong word. Concerned, for sure, that Tampa can't seem to figure out how to get him into open space, even in the passing game. Add him to the list of good players that play for a team with no clue how to get them the ball in space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,351 Posted September 29, 2013 Yikes, I didn't realize a 20 for 35 statline was even possible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,614 Posted September 29, 2013 Jeff Demps in the backfield! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack 1 6 Posted September 29, 2013 Where's that "vaunted" Oline at? Nicks? Davin Joseph? Geez. Dude has absolutely no running room at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillygrrl08 139 Posted September 29, 2013 [Anton Chigurh] You don't know what you're talking about, do you? [/Chigurh] That same "weak" offensive line has only allowed 7 sacks and 12 hits so far on Freeman through 3 games. 10th and 9th best in the league. And although TB is 7th in drops (only 7 through 3 games also), it most likely has to do with Freeman's accuracy being god-awful. He had no idea how to look a defender off, go through progressions in a timely manner, or be comfortable in the pocket without panicking. He is an overpriced, overdrafted dud. Schiano is smart to make the move now before it cost him his job too. Glennon, while raw, can't be any worse than Freeman. I see this not affecting Martin's value at all. I told a lot of people that Martin probably wouldn't be worth the ADP due to the offense likely going stagnant this season with Freeman behind the helm again. So, I don't know if Martin will produce enough to live up to expectations after last year, but I don't think he does any worse than he has the first 3 games. Wow, what an impressive outing from a strong OL today . More like I don't rely solely on stats to come to my conclusions. I actually have watched some of the Bucs games. The QB has little time to get off a pass, is often scrambling, or is feeling the pocket collapse. Those aren't stats, they are observations. With the exception of two 8-yard runs today, Martin has had few holes to hit and will only be as good as his OL...subpar for now. Again, you can change who is behind center but the outcome won't be much different. You can't blame the D, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillygrrl08 139 Posted September 29, 2013 Where's that "vaunted" Oline at? Nicks? Davin Joseph? Geez. Dude has absolutely no running room at all. Careful, you will be accused of not knowing much if you make accurate observations about the Bucs OL stinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites