WR Guru 31 Posted October 17, 2013 Even a modest uptick in Ellington's touches makes him a top-20 RB. And you know the Mendenhall injury is coming at some point. Ellington's touches have trended upward every week: 1, 6, 6, 7, 11, 12... Last week, for the first time, he out-touched Mendenhall and played more snaps. If he can level out in the 15 touch range, he's money. He's averaging over 8 yards per touch. If that's not leading the league, it's got to be close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,802 Posted October 17, 2013 Miller has been disappointing 4 out of 6 weeks. It wasn't just last week. He's only played 5 games. I'd probably still stick with Miller but it's pretty close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Neil 63 Posted October 17, 2013 Between silent g and Ellington in a .5 ppr league which do u go with? I'm leaning towards silent g for all the check downs and bc Ellington is playing in the dreaded TNF game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FakeFoozballIzFun 6 Posted October 17, 2013 He's makes for a great RB3/bye week fill in/flex play but if you have to rely on him as an RB2 then you're in trouble... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Neil 63 Posted October 17, 2013 No this is for my flex. My starting two RBs are Charles and forte Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect 207 Posted October 17, 2013 Logically Speaking... 10 touches at 7.0 per is more productive than... 18 touches at 4.0 per. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNAL24 1 Posted October 18, 2013 Starting him tonight at flex. Got me 20 points in PPR last week and obviously Seattle is thought matchup BUT Arizona is at home. Hopefully he can score a catching TD for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ff07 2 Posted October 18, 2013 he hasnt shown much so far, but the coaching staff has to be getting tired of watching mendy running backwards through wet concrete all night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BingoBrown 8 Posted October 18, 2013 Mendenhall is outtouching Ellington 10 to 4. This is why I can't buy into Ellington. He's clearly the superior talent, but he isn't getting the touches he should. I'd much rather have Zac Stacy, who also might be available in a good number of leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcmmidwest 98 Posted October 18, 2013 Mendenhall is outtouching Ellington 10 to 4. This is why I can't buy into Ellington. He's clearly the superior talent, but he isn't getting the touches he should. I'd much rather have Zac Stacy, who also might be available in a good number of leagues. i feel ya ...i was gonna drop him for vareen or shonne greene that's on waivers i just think they have more upside...but i read to much into this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WR Guru 31 Posted October 18, 2013 16 yards on 12 carries so far for Mendenhall. I'm not sure what Arians is trying to prove here. This verges on moronic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinsrule05 30 Posted October 18, 2013 It is Seattle. They are a tough D. I can't imaging you think Ellingtons 3 yards on 3 carries is showing a lot more promise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnD. 22 Posted October 18, 2013 Frustrating game for him for sure but I had tempered expectations against the Seattle D. I did notice they lined him up out wide quite a bit and targeted him often as well. Palmer looked for him a couple times in the end zone. I think the potential is there but I definitely didn't expect to see it last night against Seattle. I think next week will be a good indicator for him against Atlanta's suspect D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 18, 2013 Could had salvaged the night if Palmer didn't over threw him for a TD. Dude ran a wheel route and was wide open in the end zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted October 18, 2013 FFToday's Rest of the Way rankings have Miller at 36 and Ellington at 44. Rotoworld's Going Forward rankings have Miller at 21 and Ellington at 38. I'm not saying they're 100% right, but Miller has a legitimate shot at being the primary rusher in his offense, potentially with Daniel Thomas taking only a handful of touches away from him the rest of the way. Ellington, on the other hand, is supposedly on a 30 to 32 snap count according to Arians. I'll admit, Ellington has upside, I like the kid. But I just don't think he'll ever have a large enough role in that offense to be more than a bye week fill-in, whereas Lamar Miller has RB2 upside. To be honest I had Miller on my do-not-draft list because I didn't see anything special about his talent so I'm admittedly biased against him. One thing to consider in your rankings is that FF Today had Miller at #15 overall RB pre-season so I think they may still have some bias as well. I just think the sample size is enough at this point to know what you have with Lamar Miller - which I don't think is going to be much different than what you already have seen. Where as with Ellington (admittedly a rough game last night) still has some unknown upside at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 All you idiots that talk about the need to have 'good' 40 combine time to qualify to be an 'elite' back can all shut the fock up. 15 carries 154 yards 1 TD (80 yarder) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 If Mendy goes down I would expect Stepfan Taylor or maybe Ryan Williams to get more of the lead back role. Sprinkle in some Alphonso Smith. I don't think the Cards would change how they are using Ellington. Looks like it's Ellington's show now. One of the better RB performances this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted October 28, 2013 Ellington's show? Taylor got 14 carries and this smacks of pure committee. Dude why don't you get on a plane to Phoenix and set Bruce Arians straight? Of course you can always count on that 80 yard blast against a reeling defense every week. By the way, very poor angles taken by two defenders broke him loose to the outside. I will say this though, in that division, against SEA and Frisco, it'd be nice to have a play maker on your side of the ball. Maybe this game will be the one to propel the kid out in front of the committee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 Ellington's show? Taylor got 14 carries and this smacks of pure committee. Dude why don't you get on a plane to Phoenix and set Bruce Arians straight? Of course you can always count on that 80 yard blast against an average defense every week... Taylor's carries were mostly in the 4th quarter after game is over. Why you mad? Got fooled by the lack of 'elite' combine time and didin't pick him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 BTW, for those that LOVE COMBINE NUMBERS... See the real reason why his numbers weren't so 'elite'... http://www.tigernet.com/view/news_update.do?id=10012 "Former Clemson running back Andre Ellington hurt his hamstring on his first 40 attempt at the NFL combine on Sunday according to Rotoworld.. He registered a 4.59 "unofficial," but surely would have run faster if not for the injury. The ailment's extent is unknown. Ellington, who succeeded C.J. Spiller in Clemson's backfield, stands 5-foot-9, 199 and possesses highly impressive burst and acceleration. He's a probable second-round draft pick" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted October 28, 2013 Taylor's carries were mostly in the 4th quarter after game is over. Why you mad? Got fooled by the lack of 'elite' combine time and didin't pick him up. Who said I was mad lol...? My take is that without Jamal Charles or Chris Johnson speed the kid will be a committee back. Time will tell. I mean, what's the big deal lol...? I'm not running the plays, I'm just another poor SOB playing this game for fun. You pays your money you takes your choice. Why don't you go burn Arian's house down or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted October 28, 2013 You gotta love Jokers who break their arms patting themselves on the back when they have the scoreboard... lol.. Oh the humility. Don't be hiding like a freaking church mouse if this kid averages out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 Who said I was mad lol...? My take is that without Jamal Charles or Chris Johnson speed the kid will be a committee back. Time will tell. I mean, what's the big deal lol...? I'm not running the plays, I'm just another poor SOB playing this game for fun. You pays your money you takes your choice. Why don't you go burn Arian's house down or something? Chris Johnson! How many 20+ yard run have Chris Johnson have over the past 3 seasons? Again...if you haven't watched him in Clemson, and simply seeing numbers you really have no place to make certain comments. The dude has always been know for his 'SPEED'. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-ellington?id=2539217 "Ellington has flashed real speed and explosiveness over the past three years when given the opportunity." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcmmidwest 98 Posted October 28, 2013 i'm back on the band wagon...,just hard to bench AP or r. bush...,one more good game & i'm sold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted October 28, 2013 Chris Johnson! How many 20+ yard run have Chris Johnson have over the past 3 seasons? Again...if you haven't watched him in Clemson, and simply seeing numbers you really have no place to make certain comments. The dude has always been know for his 'SPEED'. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-ellington?id=2539217 "Ellington has flashed real speed and explosiveness over the past three years when given the opportunity." Dude enough already! If he pans out you'll get your props. I've got no problem admitting when I've got a bad take on a player. If this 5'11" 200 pound kid with 5.1 speed becomes a star in this league I will definitely be the first guy to tell everyone that Skinny_Bastard was right all along and we should forever more listen to his genius takes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted October 28, 2013 Dude enough already! If he pans out you'll get your props. I've got no problem admitting when I've got a bad take on a player. If this 5'11" 200 pound kid with 5.1 speed becomes a star in this league I will definitely be the first guy to tell everyone that Skinny_Bastard was right all along and we should forever more listen to his genius takes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking14 5 Posted October 28, 2013 I had him on the bench and played NO RB for 0 points and Colston for 1.8 -I obviously have to drop NO - there is a reason for lack of production from the two when the team scores 35 points!!!!!!<br /> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston Three Party 6 Posted October 28, 2013 This little douchnozzle destroyed me yesterday. Wtf!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted November 13, 2013 Looks like everyone is calling for more touches. Arian continues to be one stubborn mofo. I think if they would had lost the game this past weekend, Mendy's days as a starter would had been over. The under performance and fumble inside their own 5 which lead to a TD would had seal the deal. Ellington Rushing 54 carries388 yards 7.2 avg 2 Rushing TD 0 fumbles lost Rec: 24 recep 216 yards 1 TD "Top Cardinals beat man Kent Somers is calling for Andre Ellington to become the feature back ahead of Rashard Mendenhall. It's not just Cardinals fans and fantasy types that are flabbergasted by the division of labor. People who are around the team every day like Somers are confused as well. "To continue to divide the workload equally between Ellington and Mendenhall is stubborn at best and foolish at worst," he wrote. Still, the only person that matters here is Bruce Arians. And he believes that the 13 touches Ellington got in Week 10 were "plenty." We can't expect a change in the rotation based on public pressure." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FakeFoozballIzFun 6 Posted November 13, 2013 It's gonna be hard to see Arians lasting if they don't make the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted November 13, 2013 That fumble would've gotten Mendenhall benched on most teams... I'm actually pulling for the kid now. Has he even caught a screen pass this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted November 13, 2013 It's gonna be hard to see Arians lasting if they don't make the playoffs. They can actually catch Frisco this week. If the Niners lose to a red-hot Aints team and the Cards can beat JAX (both highly possible), it's done. Unbelievable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted November 13, 2013 That fumble would've gotten Mendenhall benched on most teams... I'm actually pulling for the kid now. Has he even caught a screen pass this year? Haven't seen one yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted November 13, 2013 Haven't seen one yet... One of the most under utilized plays in football, yet one of the most effective at getting your RB's into space. The Aints just diced Dallas up last week with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted November 13, 2013 I have someone really trying to sell me Ellington .5 PPR for one of my wides. RB-Bush RB-P. Thomas B-SJax, Helu, Ball WR- Djax, Hilton, Shorts, Dobson, B- Roddy Am I better moving off just keeping what I have or moving say Dobson for Ellington? The way I see it is there is no guarantee he's much better than PThoms or Sjax moving forward, Sjax prob...dude looks dunzo, and then I don't have any WR depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted November 13, 2013 One of the most under utilized plays in football, yet one of the most effective at getting your RB's into space. The Aints just diced Dallas up last week with them. Some coaches just don't get it. See CJ Spiller at Buffalo. He was awesome 2 years back with them...but all of a sudden, it disappeared in their playbook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted November 13, 2013 I have someone really trying to sell me Ellington .5 PPR for one of my wides. RB-Bush RB-P. Thomas B-SJax, Helu, Ball WR- Djax, Hilton, Shorts, Dobson, B- Roddy Am I better moving off just keeping what I have or moving say Dobson for Ellington? The way I see it is there is no guarantee he's much better than PThoms or Sjax moving forward, Sjax prob...dude looks dunzo, and then I don't have any WR depth. I would move Dobson for Ellington in your situation. Roddy White is coming back and with Djax and Hilton would you ever start Dobson? Ellington is a game changing back. 7.2 yards per carry should not be dismissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted November 13, 2013 I would move Dobson for Ellington in your situation. Roddy White is coming back and with Djax and Hilton would you ever start Dobson? Ellington is a game changing back. 7.2 yards per carry should not be dismissed. He really wants Shorts who I'm not dealing. I should have mentioned that. I just put Dobson b/c its the only WR I'd consider dealling. It's a 3 WR, flex league. So I can roll 4 WRs weekly in .5 PPR scoring. Is Ellington necessarily a better .5 PPR flex over any of these WRs- Shorts-Roddy-Dobson? I'm not so sure. And I don't think I start him over P. Thoms this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,317 Posted November 13, 2013 He really wants Shorts who I'm not dealing. I should have mentioned that. I just put Dobson b/c its the only WR I'd consider dealling. It's a 3 WR, flex league. So I can roll 4 WRs weekly in .5 PPR scoring. Is Ellington necessarily a better .5 PPR flex over any of these WRs- Shorts-Roddy-Dobson? I'm not so sure. And I don't think I start him over P. Thoms this week. Why won't you deal Shorts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
