G0ddamn m0therfocking refs

[JTB 52]

Yeah I couldn't believe they were going to try a 56 yard field goal when it happened. Such an incredibly stupid decision.

Christ it almost makes you wonder...did they know they would get bailed out by a flag if they missed it?

Carefull in your rush to accusations. Should have learned that by now Council.

[Law 241]

This whole thread says otherwise.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

Jets had a clear TD to Stephen Hill in regulation that would have ended the game, but a phantom offensive pass INT call was made. You don't call those on TDs like that in tight games, but they did it.

 

Stop whining. I was drinking the day I ###### your mother so I understand why you're missing brain cells, but try and act like somewhat of an adult.

I can understand your hatred here. I'd be pretty pissed too if my team won in such a punk-ass manner. Kinda makes you feel like a b!tch, don't it?

[cmh6476 1,045]

go cards

[tanatastic 2,062]

Rules are rules, I get it, I love seeing the pats get jobbed as much as the next guy. I just know that the ref knew the penalty would completely change the outcome of the game and called it anyway on an obscure, judgement based rule. A penalty can be called on every play, we all know this, so it's up to the refs to make calls that are both mindful of the rules as well as practical. A lot of rules are judgement calls, like PI and holding. The ref went out of his way to find the penalty and it shouldn't have been called. Replay every FG kicked today and u will prob see an example of the penalty happening on each one.

[highsider5 36]

i hate the pats just like the next guy, but the call was pretty flimsy... i'm sure the rule reads the way it does, just like the 11ty other million rules which include the height of your socks and the type of headband that isn't permissible if you're a QB for the bears... so just because the rule has words doesn't really make it appropriate... see the tuck rule or harbaughs headband

 

it was a stupid play i think, but also a stupid call... and when your flag is going to decide a game's outcome like that, you need to exercise the brain and consider a non-call for the sake of football just like the officials seem to exercise this discretion no matter if its blatantly overlooking PI in the closing minutes of the superbowl, or just basic holding on most every running play

[highsider5 36]

dude... we were tlike totally both typing the same thing...

 

 

http://paulhorton.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/keanu-reeves-whoa.jpg <== sorry, image hotlink has been mall copped

 

 

 

 

 

[shorepatrol 1,871]

Probably wasn't even a penalty at all. Apparently second level players are prohibited from pushing teammates but Jones was lined up on the line of scrimmage. Would've been a ridiculous call regardless but this makes it

 

especially dumb if true.

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Damn. You mad bro

[Dan 66]

OH MY WORD. The irony of this thread even existing . . . you who are trying to make some lame argument that the call shouldn't have been made because of the time of the game are losing your minds. If it was a penalty, it was a penalty, regardless of when it occurred. Stating otherwise is nonsense. Pats' fans have been so spoiled over the last decade, watching all the calls and close bounces go their way, that they don't know how to react when one doesn't.

 

I was shocked at the call while I was watching. I'd never heard of the rule. But 13 years ago, I'd never heard of the tuck rule.

 

And the previous poster pointing out the Jets TD that was ruled offensive pass interference is spot on. That penalty was called by phenomenal acting. Watch the replay - idiot announcer is trying to defend the ref, saying that Hill "extended his arm" - I dare you to find that extension. I agree that receivers get away with murder, and it drives me nuts, but Hill doesn't even look like he fights the guy off. It looks like the defender rolls over his arm.

 

But in the wake of all this, while the refs are abused for the loss, sorrow is drowned in forgetfulness. The Patriots gave up 30 points to the Jets.

[davidaja 3]

You could call a penalty somewhere on just about every single play. You do understand that, right?

 

Waaaaaaaa!! Waaaaaaaa!! Waaaaaaa!! Dude, you're a bigger crybaby than the Justin Bieberettes. You should quit watching football and pop in "Twilight" or some chick flick on Sundays...Jesus

[JtmoneyJag 25]

Sounds like a spoiled whiney pats fan and pat fans should never ever complain about a bad call for the rest of their history.

[KC Deuce 1]

Speaking of bad calls . . .

 

How about the call for "leading with the head" on the Browns DB hitting Finley. He turned his freaking head and lowered his shoulder. Finley's head was at about waist level so what the fock are you supposed to do ?

 

Of course, there was no call for the K from Indianapolis "leading with the head." That was a shot; and was "by rule" an illegal hit but I guess it's overlooked because it was the kicker.

 

As far as this post goes as an unbiased viewer; I think that the rule was called properly but the refs could have "overlooked" this one too as they do a number of times. Figured they would; the Patriots get more "gift' calls than anyone IMO with questionable late hits on the opponents or "very questionable" calls for defensive holding or pass interference. And; there is the TUCK rule game (and an important game as well); so you've got very little to complain about really.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

IGW appears to be off his rocker. That's what you get when you expect the imaginary rules to always go in your direction.

[parrot 789]

OH MY WORD. The irony of this thread even existing . . . you who are trying to make some lame argument that the call shouldn't have been made because of the time of the game are losing your minds. If it was a penalty, it was a penalty, regardless of when it occurred. Stating otherwise is nonsense. Pats' fans have been so spoiled over the last decade, watching all the calls and close bounces go their way, that they don't know how to react when one doesn't.

 

I was shocked at the call while I was watching. I'd never heard of the rule. But 13 years ago, I'd never heard of the tuck rule.

 

And the previous poster pointing out the Jets TD that was ruled offensive pass interference is spot on. That penalty was called by phenomenal acting. Watch the replay - idiot announcer is trying to defend the ref, saying that Hill "extended his arm" - I dare you to find that extension. I agree that receivers get away with murder, and it drives me nuts, but Hill doesn't even look like he fights the guy off. It looks like the defender rolls over his arm.

 

But in the wake of all this, while the refs are abused for the loss, sorrow is drowned in forgetfulness. The Patriots gave up 30 points to the Jets.

Oh please, shut the ###### up with this ######. The Patriots have been victimized with bad calls and bad bounces just like every other team; the helmet catch is a perfect example of both as multiple defenders were nearly undressed by the holds from the Giants O line, and Tyree made one of the least likely catches in the history of the game.

 

And yeah, the Patriots gave up 30 points to the Jets. Quite the feat seeing as how they were only missing their two best defensive linemen, their best linebacker (and leading tackler), and best corner.

 

The irony about the penalty finally being called at that point, is not just about what point it was in the game, but that when they finally decided to call it, it wasn't even the scenario they were trying to prevent. The league website had (taken down since yesterday) both a written explanation and a video that made it clear the rule was intended to prevent second level defenders from running into the line from behind and pushing. Well that's not what happened yesterday, Jones was on the line and basically ran a stunt. Just a real flimsy implementation of the rule for the first time it was ever called and at such a critical point in the game.

[KC Deuce 1]

I think the ref that made the call had money on the Jets.

[KC Deuce 1]

I think the ref that made the call had money on the Jets.

 

Are you trying to claim "conspiracy theory," nincompoop ?

[Cruzer 1,995]

The rule is the rule, stupid or not. As is, this was a perfect example of what the rule was intended to be. Yes he lined up on the line of scrimmage, but he also, with full intent, slid to the side and behind this teammate with the sole purpose of pushing him into the backfield. In fact his first contact was not with a Jets player, it was with his own teammate - the same teammate he was pushing into the line.

[KC Deuce 1]

 

Are you trying to claim "conspiracy theory," nincompoop ?

 

Of course I am.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

Waaaaaaaa!! Waaaaaaaa!! Waaaaaaa!! Dude, you're a bigger crybaby than the Justin Bieberettes. You should quit watching football and pop in "Twilight" or some chick flick on Sundays...Jesus

cry or not, it was a terrible call... Oh well, Jets need to somehow get a few wins to get to 7-9

[parrot 789]

The rule is the rule, stupid or not. As is, this was a perfect example of what the rule was intended to be. Yes he lined up on the line of scrimmage, but he also, with full intent, slid to the side and behind this teammate with the sole purpose of pushing him into the backfield. In fact his first contact was not with a Jets player, it was with his own teammate - the same teammate he was pushing into the line.

That must be why both the league explanation and accompanying video talked about defenders from the second level. It supposed to be a safety move, to keep players with a head of steam from crashing into the line. Jones had no head of steam. It was just an official looking to enforce a rule because he had been instructed to, even though it had little resemblance to the practice the rule was intended to prevent.

[Phurfur 70]

Nobody gives a g0ddamned about fantasy here.

 

There's a time and a place to make that (focking stupid) call, and the deciding play in overtime of a divisional game is not that time. Fock that ref and the woman who spawned him

The game of football has become way to "soft" for me. Without alcohol and a group of people the games would be unwatchable. We wait 5 minutes to see if a TD was really scored or a turn over really occurred. Where is the enjoyment in watching a game that needs slow motion, frame by frame analysis to determine what happened? The games gets longer but we see less action and more commercials. If it weren't for FF I would not watch at all.

[R8RMick 242]

Looking at the replay this morning on NFL AM, and by the way Jeff Garthia, Lavar Arrington, and TD are simply brutal, it seems Will Svitek actually came within inches of getting a hand on that ball. He sure as hell overpowered his way through the line, which lends credence to the call being correct. The ref was right there, and had a hand on the flag before the play even developed. Take another look.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Looking at the replay this morning on NFL AM, and by the way Jeff Garthia, Lavar Arrington, and TD are simply brutal, it seems Will Svitek actually came within inches of getting a hand on that ball. He sure as hell overpowered his way through the line, which lends credence to the call being correct. The ref was right there, and had a hand on the flag before the play even developed. Take another look.

The most likely scenario is the Refs saw the Pats doing this earlier in the game and decided before the play that they were going to call it. Rex was probably in their ear on it too--honestly, wouldn't it have been incredibly focking stupid to attempt a 56 yard field goal there unless he thought there was a good chance he'd get bailed out?

 

Which makes it all the more absurd IMO, and nearly makes the game fixed as the refs had intent to sway a game-deciding play before it even occurred.

[Jeff Garcia 8]

That call in the Jets-Pats game was the biggest bunch of horsesh!t I have seen in some time. Way to ruin a great game you stupid motherfockers

Revenge for the tuck rule call.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

That must be why both the league explanation and accompanying video talked about defenders from the second level. It supposed to be a safety move, to keep players with a head of steam from crashing into the line. Jones had no head of steam. It was just an official looking to enforce a rule because he had been instructed to, even though it had little resemblance to the practice the rule was intended to prevent.

According to what is being said by the league, yes the rule was put into play as a safety precaution. But if you actually read the rule - it says nothing about a Second Level anything. In fact the rule clearly states that teammates can not push each other into the line of scrimmage. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

 

(2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.

 

page 51, Rule 9.

[Thornton Melon 632]

The Pats didn't deserve to win. They looked like crap. I don't know what's with Brady. You can't blame everything on the new receivers. He's just missing too many throws. Despite all this, they still almost beat the Jets, which shows you how much they suck.

[parrot 789]

According to what is being said by the league, yes the rule was put into play as a safety precaution. But if you actually read the rule - it says nothing about a Second Level anything. In fact the rule clearly states that teammates can not push each other into the line of scrimmage. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

 

 

(2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.

 

page 51, Rule 9.

That's all well and good, but on the NFL's own site it says

 

 

 

During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

 

It's not cut and dried because, for whatever reason, the NFL muddied the waters with their explanation here, and included the same verbiage in their video. So then my question is, did they explain it to the teams in the same way, leading to some potential confusion or misinterpretation?

 

For the record, I'm not that upset about the call, as I didn't really think the Patriots deserved to win the game. But it just seems like a really sketchy time and circumstance under which to make that call FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

[parrot 789]

The Pats didn't deserve to win. They looked like crap. I don't know what's with Brady. You can't blame everything on the new receivers. He's just missing too many throws. Despite all this, they still almost beat the Jets, which shows you how much they suck.

 

 

The Pats offense looks like crap, defense decimated by injuries, and the Jets are that they squeaked by at home, in overtime, with the benefit of a rule no one had ever heard of before. Salad days for Gang Green.

[JtmoneyJag 25]

The most likely scenario is the Refs saw the Pats doing this earlier in the game and decided before the play that they were going to call it. Rex was probably in their ear on it too--honestly, wouldn't it have been incredibly focking stupid to attempt a 56 yard field goal there unless he thought there was a good chance he'd get bailed out?

Which makes it all the more absurd IMO, and nearly makes the game fixed as the refs had intent to sway a game-deciding play before it even occurred.

Are you still whining?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Are you still whining?

I still believe that was a bullsh!t call. Whining, I don't think so. We'll see if I'm still complaining about it years later like Seahawks fans and their Super Bowl appearance or Raiders fans and the tuck rule.

[Franknbeans 46]

That call in the Jets-Pats game was the biggest bunch of horsesh!t I have seen in some time. Way to ruin a great game you stupid motherfockers

now imagine if it were the AFC Championship

[Matt Mueller 147]

The more I think about this, whether or not the call should have been made, a penalty did occur.

 

If anything first down there. That 15 yard nonsense is way too much given the infraction.

[chroniciguana 13]

The most likely scenario is the Refs saw the Pats doing this earlier in the game and decided before the play that they were going to call it. Rex was probably in their ear on it too--honestly, wouldn't it have been incredibly focking stupid to attempt a 56 yard field goal there unless he thought there was a good chance he'd get bailed out?

 

Which makes it all the more absurd IMO, and nearly makes the game fixed as the refs had intent to sway a game-deciding play before it even occurred.

Not out of the question, although the tactic can sometimes backfire. If call was made by head linesman or line judge, I would be even more tempted to buy into this theory. And there's nothing wrong with working the refs in this situation. The players do it, the coaches do it, the cheerleaders do ... okay, probably not the cheerleaders. They work the players.

[Reality 3,121]

Polian has explained the rule on ESPN all day today. He was on the rules committee for several years. The rule was actually brought to the NFL by the players association because of player safety. It was called correctly and it doesn't matter if the player came from the secondary level or not.

[Franknbeans 46]

Polian has explained the rule on ESPN all day today. He was on the rules committee for several years. The rule was actually brought to the NFL by the players association because of player safety. It was called correctly and it doesn't matter if the player came from the secondary level or not.

it does to Pats fans

[parrot 789]

now imagine if it were the AFC Championship

What does this refer to?

[p.man 7]

Pats fans should be blaming Gronk for dropping that ball...You know, the one he tried to catch while only using 1 hand. Game over right there...Thanks Gronk!

[parrot 789]

it does to Pats fans

 

Yeah, and if that call had gone in the Pats favor, instead of against them, many people currently defending it as a perfectly legit call would be having a brain hemorrhage over the injustice and travesty of it all.

[Franknbeans 46]

 

Yeah, and if that call had gone in the Pats favor, instead of against them, many people currently defending it as a perfectly legit call would be having a brain hemorrhage over the injustice and travesty of it all.

they cheated and lost. get over it.

[Matt Mueller 147]

Is anyone seriously thinking Ryan went for the 56 harder expecting a call? I can't fathom that.

 

What I can fathom is being stupid enough to risk the kick and giving the Brady in prime position.

 

What's been lost in this is the debacle that is the Jets in game coaching.