NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 Where did I say Fox News wasn't slanted? I stated that they all were. Some more than others. Why do you think I asked the question of why Fox News was created? And please remember, were talking about the NEWS, Stop thinking about poosay for one minute and pay attention please. I like you. You realize I think of pussie all the time instead of trying to say I think of cack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,544 Posted February 19, 2014 I like you. You realize I think of pussie all the time instead of trying to say I think of cack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,585 Posted February 19, 2014 Newbie, get out of this thread. You offer nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 19, 2014 you tell him sux Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 Newbie, get out of this thread. You offer nothing. LOLOLOLOLOL Fock you Sux. You're one of the morons that Fox targets. You just want your conservative mind served noithing but conservative news. I also knew you'd be one of the guys too stupid to realize it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 19, 2014 your entire opinion on fox is formed how ? Speculation ? None of you watch it, so how are your opinions formed ? Maybe from those unbiased sources you rely on ? talk about sheep, holy jeebus, you're all pathetic. Watch it regularly...not at all. I have watched it before and the bias was there. Poll after poll and study after study shows the same thing. Yet you all keep denying it. You calling anyone else pathetic or a sheep is laughable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted February 19, 2014 I don't like the idea of a President, Republican or Democrat, going completely unchallenged by the media. I can agree with that However when you have a Fox News criticizing a Dem president or an MSNBC criticizing a Republican president, it really isn't very effective because of the whole Chicken Little and Boy Who Cried Wolf dynamics at play Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 Watch it regularly...not at all. I have watched it before and the bias was there. Poll after poll and study after study shows the same thing. Yet you all keep denying it. You calling anyone else pathetic or a sheep is laughable. If they admit that they're almighty channel is nothing more than a rightie hack network, it'll make them seem like brainwashed zombies and render their dozen links per day as pointless. So they pretend it's a legit news channel. I wonder if they really believe it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,793 Posted February 19, 2014 Newbie, get out of this thread. You offer nothing. I bring just as much nothing as Newbs does! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 I bring just as much nothing as Newbs does! Funny thing is, there was a lot of good, clean debate in this thread. Until Midas gave Grease Boy a ten minute break from changing oil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted February 19, 2014 here's the problem with it all... FOX and MSNBC are what we will get more of - they cater to their base, evoke emotion, and gain loyalty. News channels that try to stay unbalanced will eventually lose the ratings war simply because they don't connect so viscerally with their audience and therefore don't breed any loyalty. Viewers of CNN don't love or defend CNN the way viewers of FOX or MSNBC do. Cater to the top of the bell curve and you die today. No product is for everyone and if you try to make if for everyone, you will fail - there is simply too much choice today. It all started with Amazon's and Facebook's concepts of "like" and "if you like THIS, you'll like THAT". The object of providing content is to provide you with content you LIKE so that you will consume more of it. Modern marketing allows content creators to profile you and deliver exactly/only what you want. And this can become problematic because the content providers no longer deliver the best product/solution/answer to your query, they simply provide what they THINK you want based on past preferences in the hopes that you will consume more. There was actually a Frontline documentary on this phenomenon just last night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,974 Posted February 19, 2014 Watch it regularly...not at all. I have watched it before and the bias was there. Poll after poll and study after study shows the same thing. Yet you all keep denying it. You calling anyone else pathetic or a sheep is laughable. You've said this twice now; do you have links? Not trying to be snarky; I googled a little yesterday and only found a Pew study around the Trayvon case. I didn't look very hard though, and I'm on my phone now. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted February 19, 2014 There was actually a Frontline documentary on this phenomenon just last night didn't see it Worm - but it's not just a news thing - it's EVERYTHING. as much as the internet and connection economy has the power to unite us, it can (and in the case of news/politics, already does) divide us and present us with different "truths". In the end, it's all about dollars/revenue and how the content is marketed to you. Content marketing is the current trend - profile you, profile your friends, and deliver content that matches the way you are profiled - note: I said, "the way you are profiled" - the marketer doesn't care if he occasionally misses, he's playing the odds. The next step in all this moves from Content to Context - meaning we'll now use your content profile and your location to ping you into action with a tweet/update/push notification/etc - if you're a profiled/known liberal/conservative to the marketer, you won't ever go on a tourism event or to the mall again and miss any liberal/conservative hot spots bc we will ping you to let you know they are there, and even send directions from your location. A conservative in a book store? gets pinged about Limbaugh's new book. A liberal walking thru a new city in the morning? gets pinged about the nearest starbucks (with a coupon in the ping) The whole purpose is to generate more dollars by catering to the individual's likes / wants. But by doing so, it could create a bubble that you live/shop/read in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted February 19, 2014 The Frontline documentary didn't really touch on the news, it was more about consumerism generally. But not quite as expansive as your thoughts TD. I do agree with you though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,669 Posted February 19, 2014 I don't see much difference at all between MSNBC and FOX. I don't find the basic news coverage on either network to be biased but their editorial / pundit programs are pretty obvious about the way they lean. To compare CNN or any other news network to either one in terms of bias is pretty laughable. Cable news is mostly garbage regardless and not worth watching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BiPolarBear 495 Posted February 19, 2014 No, I'm saying that most Republicans watch Fox News. While most Democrats do not watch MSNBC. They, along with all the middle-of-the-road and non-political people, get their news from dozens of different channels. Their viewership is spread out. That's why Fox News is the highest rated. Most democrats watch bull fights or Soul Train. (I'm kidding) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted February 19, 2014 It's been mentioned already but the reason Fox News gets the right leaning perception is due to its Editorial Shows, not its news. Hannity, O'Rielly, Greta Van, and that Fox and Friends show. Those all have a right lean no doubt about it. However those are Editorials, those are opinion based shows. Similar to the editorial page in an newspaper with the Op-Ed's. The actual, factual desk news and items on there are very balanced. I think folks have a hard time differentiating between the editorial page and the news page. Nope, wrong. Obviously the editorial components are more rabidly biased, but the news presented is nearly as biased just without being quite so blatant. Let's take coverage of Obamacare, for example. In the "news" component of Fox News, what you are likely to see is story after story about all of the potential ill effects. It's gonna kill jobs, it's gonna eliminate choices, it's gonna spiral out of control in costs, etc., etc. In the "news" component of MSNBC what you will mostly see is stories about how people who were denied coverage due to preexisting conditions can now finally get coverage, about how some people have avoided certain bankruptcy they would've been subjected to under their old plans, about how in some states the cost of coverage had dropped appreciably, etc., etc. The less biased sources will try to present both. Hey, there's evidence this may hurt the labor market, but there's also indication that it's already helped a lot of people. You don't ever get that from Fox News or MSNBC, but you might get it from some of the other news outlets mentioned in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 19, 2014 It's been a while since I've watched any of the cable news channels....but I remember thinking the afternoon programming on FoxNews was more than fair. It was just news. My father in law watches MSNBC all friggin day, and when we're home for Christmas it's all that's on. That channel doesn't even attempt to provide news coverage. Just annoying personalities taking jabs at Republicans. And I was at the gym last night where they have CNN on one of the TVs. Saw a headline where they were talking about someone "selling out to WalMart". That's not news....not the way it's phrased. I was reading a StarTrib article last week about the high rent in Williston, ND. On average it exceeds NYC, LA, Boston. Reading the comments on the article was a bunch of idiots trashing the strib for liberal bias and propagandizing against big oil. There was no mention about the oil industry really. No critique of big oil. Just the simple fact that prices are really inflated in some of the boom towns. People see what they want to see and are often too dumb to question their own bias. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 Nope, wrong. Obviously the editorial components are more rabidly biased, but the news presented is nearly as biased just without being quite so blatant. Let's take coverage of Obamacare, for example. In the "news" component of Fox News, what you are likely to see is story after story about all of the potential ill effects. It's gonna kill jobs, it's gonna eliminate choices, it's gonna spiral out of control in costs, etc., etc. In the "news" component of MSNBC what you will mostly see is stories about how people who were denied coverage due to preexisting conditions can now finally get coverage, about how some people have avoided certain bankruptcy they would've been subjected to under their old plans, about how in some states the cost of coverage had dropped appreciably, etc., etc. The less biased sources will try to present both. Hey, there's evidence this may hurt the labor market, but there's also indication that it's already helped a lot of people. You don't ever get that from Fox News or MSNBC, but you might get it from some of the other news outlets mentioned in this thread. Now you'll get called names. When they could so easily go to foxnews.com and link you to all the stories of them telling us about the people Obamacare helped. lolol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted February 19, 2014 You're wasting your breath. Or finger muscles. I've tried to point this out several times to no avail. This, but honestly, look at who we are arguing with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 19, 2014 Watch it regularly...not at all. I have watched it before and the bias was there. Poll after poll and study after study shows the same thing. Yet you all keep denying it. You calling anyone else pathetic or a sheep is laughable. link to these poll after polls, study after study ??..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted February 19, 2014 It's been a while since I've watched any of the cable news channels....but I remember thinking the afternoon programming on FoxNews was more than fair. It was just news. My father in law watches MSNBC all friggin day, and when we're home for Christmas it's all that's on. That channel doesn't even attempt to provide news coverage. Just annoying personalities taking jabs at Republicans. And I was at the gym last night where they have CNN on one of the TVs. Saw a headline where they were talking about someone "selling out to WalMart". That's not news....not the way it's phrased. I was reading a StarTrib article last week about the high rent in Williston, ND. On average it exceeds NYC, LA, Boston. Reading the comments on the article was a bunch of idiots trashing the strib for liberal bias and propagandizing against big oil. There was no mention about the oil industry really. No critique of big oil. Just the simple fact that prices are really inflated in some of the boom towns. People see what they want to see and are often too dumb to question their own bias. Exactly correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,585 Posted February 19, 2014 LOLOLOLOLOL Fock you Sux. You're one of the morons that Fox targets. You just want your conservative mind served noithing but conservative news. I also knew you'd be one of the guys too stupid to realize it. I watch FOX and MSNBC on a regular basis. You claim to not watch either one. Therefore in this thread, you offer nothing. Now once again, go away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 This, but honestly, look at who we are arguing with. LOL. Love how you just ignored Worms' example about Obamacare. You could so easily prove him wrong if your beloved Fox News wasn't such a rightie hack channel. We're not talking about editorials here. The news. You're only getting one side. Every day. And you fall for it, hook, line, and sinker. Sucker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 I watch FOX and MSNBC on a regular basis. You claim to not watch either one. Therefore in this thread, you offer nothing. Now once again, go away. You're a lying sack of sh!t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted February 19, 2014 LOL. Love how you just ignored Worms' example about Obamacare. You could so easily prove him wrong if your beloved Fox News wasn't such a rightie hack channel. We're not talking about editorials here. The news. You're only getting one side. Every day. And you fall for it, hook, line, and sinker. Sucker I'll pass on analyzing Worms guess of how topics are covered on networks he doesn't watch. Thanks though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 I'll pass on analyzing Worms guess of how topics are covered on networks he doesn't watch. Thanks though. Just as I thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks for the idea Worms - just for kicks, I did a site search on Obama Care on both Fox.com and MSNBC.com - pretty clear and laughable where each one stands: FOX: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+news&oq=fox+news&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.1369j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=site:foxnews.com%2C+obama*care MSNBC: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+news&oq=fox+news&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.1369j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=site:msnbc.com%2C+obama*care Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,544 Posted February 19, 2014 I don't see much difference at all between MSNBC and FOX. I don't find the basic news coverage on either network to be biased but their editorial / pundit programs are pretty obvious about the way they lean. To compare CNN or any other news network to either one in terms of bias is pretty laughable. Cable news is mostly garbage regardless and not worth watching. CNN is biased too. They treated Clinton with kid gloves and they're treating Obama with infant gloves. I remember watching CNN during the Bush/Gore recount drama. I'd flip back and fourth from Fox to CNN to see how each was covering it. CNN didn't even try hide where they stood. And I'm not talking about pundits. They had anchors, reporters, and experts on explaining what each court ruling meant for each candidate. When it was good news for Bush and bad for Gore, their body langauge and speech was that of dissapointment. But when it was bad news for Bush, they'd all perk right back up like somebody gave them a puppy. It was facinating to watch. And Fox would do it to. Just not as obvious as CNN. If it was bad news for Bush they'd spend a few minutes on it and move on to why Gore is the underdog in all of it. For the record, I watch Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. If I had to guess, I'd say an hour or so each a week. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks for the idea Worms - just for kicks, I did a site search on Obama Care on both Fox.com and MSNBC.com - pretty clear and laughable where each one stands: FOX: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+news&oq=fox+news&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.1369j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=site:foxnews.com%2C+obama*care MSNBC: https://www.google.com/search?q=fox+news&oq=fox+news&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.1369j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=site:msnbc.com%2C+obama*care :lol: Yeah, they're not the exact same thing, but opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 19, 2014 Nope, wrong. Obviously the editorial components are more rabidly biased, but the news presented is nearly as biased just without being quite so blatant. Let's take coverage of Obamacare, for example. In the "news" component of Fox News, what you are likely to see is story after story about all of the potential ill effects. It's gonna kill jobs, it's gonna eliminate choices, it's gonna spiral out of control in costs, etc., etc. In the "news" component of MSNBC what you will mostly see is stories about how people who were denied coverage due to preexisting conditions can now finally get coverage, about how some people have avoided certain bankruptcy they would've been subjected to under their old plans, about how in some states the cost of coverage had dropped appreciably, etc., etc. The less biased sources will try to present both. Hey, there's evidence this may hurt the labor market, but there's also indication that it's already helped a lot of people. You don't ever get that from Fox News or MSNBC, but you might get it from some of the other news outlets mentioned in this thread. Talk about bias....in your example FoxNews is more concerned with what's "gonna" happen.....which is the job of the commentators. MSNBC reports on what has already happened....which is what delivering news is all about. Just giving you a hard time. You're right in that everyone has some bias in the way they cover stories. I really don't watch the news. I read it. But if I remember correctly the networks did a decent job of trying to cut down the middle. Cable news doesn't really do this. Whatever. People should just watch Frontline whenever possible. Awesome show. Sit down and watch an hour on some issue, uninterrupted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted February 19, 2014 . But if I remember correctly the networks did a decent job of trying to cut down the middle. Cable news doesn't really do this. . yes, the networks did do a better job. there was less competition for viewership (and advertising dollars). The networks PURPOSELY did not take sides because it was to their advantage to cater to as many viewers as possible - keep it down the middle and cater to the top of the bell curve. FOX and MNBC know this is a failing marketing strategy in today's era or mass media and content competition. They have to deliver EXACTLY what their viewers want and build a visceral connection with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,544 Posted February 19, 2014 Nope, wrong. Obviously the editorial components are more rabidly biased, but the news presented is nearly as biased just without being quite so blatant. Let's take coverage of Obamacare, for example. In the "news" component of Fox News, what you are likely to see is story after story about all of the potential ill effects. It's gonna kill jobs, it's gonna eliminate choices, it's gonna spiral out of control in costs, etc., etc. In the "news" component of MSNBC what you will mostly see is stories about how people who were denied coverage due to preexisting conditions can now finally get coverage, about how some people have avoided certain bankruptcy they would've been subjected to under their old plans, about how in some states the cost of coverage had dropped appreciably, etc., etc. The less biased sources will try to present both. Hey, there's evidence this may hurt the labor market, but there's also indication that it's already helped a lot of people. You don't ever get that from Fox News or MSNBC, but you might get it from some of the other news outlets mentioned in this thread. Which "less biased sources"? The New York Times? CNN? The big three? There wouldn't be a Fox if those sources di their job and presented both sides. And they do report those other stories. Not as much as the failures of Obamacare, but they do. Have you ever watched the daily White Housel press briefings? I used to watch them on C-Span whenever I could. If you watched them during the Clinton and Bush years you had to have noticed the differnce in what questions and the way questions where asked. It was painfully obvious the difference each camp received from the reporters. I can't watch them anymore, Carney is the biggest lying doosh on the planet. And the reporters let him get away with it because he's their guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,544 Posted February 19, 2014 yes, the networks did do a better job. there was less competition for viewership (and advertising dollars). The networks PURPOSELY did not take sides because it was to their advantage to cater to as many viewers as possible - keep it down the middle and cater to the top of the bell curve. FOX and MNBC know this is a failing marketing strategy in today's era or mass media and content competition. They have to deliver EXACTLY what their viewers want and build a visceral connection with them. I love Frontline. But even they have a bias sometimes. It's just the way it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,669 Posted February 19, 2014 CNN is biased too. They treated Clinton with kid gloves and they're treating Obama with infant gloves. I remember watching CNN during the Bush/Gore recount drama. I'd flip back and fourth from Fox to CNN to see how each was covering it. CNN didn't even try hide where they stood. And I'm not talking about pundits. They had anchors, reporters, and experts on explaining what each court ruling meant for each candidate. When it was good news for Bush and bad for Gore, their body langauge and speech was that of dissapointment. But when it was bad news for Bush, they'd all perk right back up like somebody gave them a puppy. It was facinating to watch. And Fox would do it to. Just not as obvious as CNN. If it was bad news for Bush they'd spend a few minutes on it and move on to why Gore is the underdog in all of it. For the record, I watch Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. If I had to guess, I'd say an hour or so each a week. . I don't really watch cable news anymore but I don't remember CNN being even remotely as slanted as either FOX or MSNBC. I also have no faith in the ability of the bored Repubtards here to accurately identify bias since they complain about it constantly, whether its there or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 19, 2014 candy Crowley pretty much proved what a hack station she works for during the debate, no ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted February 19, 2014 I don't really watch cable news anymore but I don't remember CNN being even remotely as slanted as either FOX or MSNBC. I also have no faith in the ability of the bored Repubtards here to accurately identify bias since they complain about it constantly, whether its there or not.this. Of course they are going to defend Fox with all they have. It's their Bible. To admit its a right-wing hack channel, would be admitting that they are right wing Hacks. Ain't gonna happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 19, 2014 You've said this twice now; do you have links? Not trying to be snarky; I googled a little yesterday and only found a Pew study around the Trayvon case. I didn't look very hard though, and I'm on my phone now. TIA There are a ton of things out there saying Fox and MSNBC are more biased than the others. They have been posted on this board...not hard to search for them at all. https://www.google.com/search?q=google&rlz=1C1SNNT_enUS459US459&oq=google&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i65l3.1867j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=fox+and+msnbc+bias This isn't anything new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted February 19, 2014 link to these poll after polls, study after study ??..... google...its a tip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites