Obummer solves Iran

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

Obama vs the Ayatollah....we are FOCKED and so is the rest of the planet.

 

I knew we were focked a few days ago when I saw a clip of Obama saying he would walk away from a bad deal. Since he is allergic to the truth, I knew that meant there was no way in hell he would walk away. All I ever see on MSNBC is them going on and on about Obama's legacy, thinking this is going to be it.

 

I tend to agree, but for different reasons. His legacy is going to be he is the one who caved to Iran, the Neville Chamberlain of our time.

 

You are certifiably ridiculous, you have no clue about the the details of the deal other than it was negotiated by a Democratic administration. You are so indoctrinated with the right wing bs at this time, you react before you even know what's happened with party line talking points.

 

You're a perfect example of why our country is the way it is.

[hoytdwow 202]

They probably will break the deal, but they can't hurt us. And, if they break the deal, they're focked. If they fock with Israel they are dead meat, so I don't really see the problem.

 

Huge numbers of Iranians are educated, moderate people with a Western bent, so if nothing else, it stops making them hate us, and they're the ones who can change their country from within, which is far better than us pretending like we can do it from without. Except to the chickenhawks like McCain and Graham that is.

[Voltaire 5,315]

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-leader-restates-red-lines-nuclear-deal-195823643.html;_ylt=A0LEV2HPDqVVCCQAVxRx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

 

I did a lousy job earlier of explaining my position. I'd supported the talks, up until the Ayatollah made the statements in the above link. At that point I wanted to just leave the table and cancel negotiations. Totally unacceptable. Since that didn't happen and negotiations continued anyways, I'm not very encouraged that this deal will be good enough. Better no deal than one that includes any of those.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I have zero idea what is in this deal. However the fact that the Ayatollah seems overjoyed and says that they got everything they wanted in the deal, doesn't give me warm and fuzzies.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Does anyone expect either side to come away from the deal acting glum and pissed off?

 

"yeah, we totally get bent over on that one...but we agreed anyway".

[NewbieJr 541]

I have zero idea what is in this deal. However the fact that the Ayatollah seems overjoyed and says that they got everything they wanted in the deal, doesn't give me warm and fuzzies.

Surprising. I thought you'd commend Kerry and the Democrats for getting this done.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Surprising. I thought you'd commend Kerry and the Democrats for getting this done.

 

Are you saying getting a deal done, no matter what it is, for the sake of saying you did it.....should be commended? That's sort of dumb. Have we lowered the bar so low that we get excited when people do anything, regardless of its a good thing or not?

 

Like I said, I have zero idea if this deal is good or bad. But when the other side, who has a large contingent of folks wanting "Death to Isreal" and "Death to America" as rallying cries, seemed overjoyed at the deal I can't get but so happy.

 

Hopefully, like Shonuff said, its just overly positive spin from their side.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Surprising. I thought you'd commend Kerry and the Democrats for getting this done.

I'm shocked as well.

 

Those of us who aren't fully indoctrinated dumbasses will wait for the details. Maybe even some commentary by the experts, who know far more about this sort of thing than Internet forearm moonbats.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Are you saying getting a deal done, no matter what it is, for the sake of saying you did it.....should be commended?

 

 

No. I'm saying, why waste your time posting what every single here knew you'd say before you posted it? If we want to know your opinion, we can tune into Fox News on the radio on our way to work.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Are you saying getting a deal done, no matter what it is, for the sake of saying you did it.....should be commended? That's sort of dumb. Have we lowered the bar so low that we get excited when people do anything, regardless of its a good thing or not?

 

Like I said, I have zero idea if this deal is good or bad. But when the other side, who has a large contingent of folks wanting "Death to Isreal" and "Death to America" as rallying cries, seemed overjoyed at the deal I can't get but so happy.

 

Hopefully, like Shonuff said, its just overly positive spin from their side.

 

What I said...is there will be positive spin from both sides.

Because neither is ever going to admit they got rolled.

 

My guess will be both sides did on some issues...and the right will claim Obama took it in the keister no matter what.

[KSB2424 3,148]

No. I'm saying, why waste your time posting what every single here knew you'd say before you posted it? If we want to know your opinion, we can tune into Fox News on the radio on our way to work.

 

I thought Mike and Mike in the Morning was on ESPN Radio.

[Voltaire 5,315]

Does anyone expect either side to come away from the deal acting glum and pissed off?

 

"yeah, we totally get bent over on that one...but we agreed anyway".

In an amazing coincidence, the first time I've ever heard a politician use a lines one that when discussing how negotiations went was yesterday by the Greek president.

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

 

Are you saying getting a deal done, no matter what it is, for the sake of saying you did it.....should be commended? That's sort of dumb. Have we lowered the bar so low that we get excited when people do anything, regardless of its a good thing or not?

 

Like I said, I have zero idea if this deal is good or bad. But when the other side, who has a large contingent of folks wanting "Death to Isreal" and "Death to America" as rallying cries, seemed overjoyed at the deal I can't get but so happy.

 

Hopefully, like Shonuff said, its just overly positive spin from their side.

 

That's a good approach in evaluating the merits of whether it will be beneficial to US/Middle East relations.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

So Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown again.

 

The only thing this deal will accomplish is the lifting of sanctions from Iran. Nothing else will change.

[NewbieJr 541]

So Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown again.

 

The only thing this deal will accomplish is the lifting of sanctions from Iran. Nothing else will change.

Another one who's an expert on the agreement but has no clue what it entails.

[posty 2,696]

Here is the entire document of the deal:

 

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2165388-iran-deal-text.html

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Here is the entire document of the deal:

 

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2165388-iran-deal-text.html

From what I'm reading it likely forestalls iran getting the bomb for a time, but eventually the technology will be such that it can't be stopped even through agreements. Probably the best you could hope for I guess. Just keep putting it off until the larger situation hopefully improves

[posty 2,696]

So what one is it?

 

Obama states:

 

http://blogs.rollcall.com/white-house/obamas-remarks-on-iran-nuclear-deal-transcript/?dcz=

 

Because of this deal we will for the first time be in a position to verify all of these commitments. That means this deal is not built on trust. It is built on verification. Inspectors will have 24/7 access to Iran’s nuclear facilities. Iran will have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, its uranium mines and mills, its conversion facility and its centrifuge manufacturing and storage facilities.

Yet this article states this isn't true:

 

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-nuclear-deal-reached-408871

 

Negotiators failed to meet the standard of achieving "anytime, anywhere" access that several members of the United States Congress had demanded as a part of any nuclear deal. Instead, in the event Iran objects to an IAEA request for access to a specific site, a "clock" will begin that grants the two sides 14 days to negotiate.

 

If that period expires without any resolution reached directly between Iran and the IAEA, the Joint Commission would have seven days to advise them on a way forward. Iran would then have three days to comply with the commission's final advice, bringing the total time on the clock to 24 days.

 

Asked by The Jerusalem Post whether that met a standard of anytime, anywhere access, a senior administration official involved in the negotiations said it did not.

 

"We don't think that 'anytime, anywhere' inspections are feasible," the official said. "It's just not something that happens anywhere in the world."

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I bet there will be no complaining when gas prices fall.

[gocolts 300]

 

You are certifiably ridiculous, you have no clue about the the details of the deal other than it was negotiated by a Democratic administration. You are so indoctrinated with the right wing bs at this time, you react before you even know what's happened with party line talking points.

 

You're a perfect example of why our country is the way it is.

 

 

IRAN has cheated and crossed several red lines Obama claimed he would walk from. This deal is horrible and you know it.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

GFY. Even worms can now talk with me civilly. I will just stop responding if this is all you are going to do.

 

IRAN has cheated and crossed several red lines Obama claimed he would walk from. This deal is horrible and you know it.

What was the alternative?

[gocolts 300]

how are you privy to all the details of the deal? Cam you share them.with the rest of us?

Also, we all know MSNBC is a joke. Don't take anything they say as serious. It's a Fox left

I do NOT watch fox news bro, sorry to disappoint you. All you have to do is read a foreign paper once in a while and you will learn a lot. Our media is a joke. Hell, Iran has been leaking these details since damn near the beginning. The information is out there, if you care to look. You will NOT see it on the TV though.

 

[mobb_deep 920]

GoColts is just pissed he got the electric wheelchair, instead of the gas powered.

 

Who cares if we get nuked in 20 years. 2$ a gallon gas is coming! Party time.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

What was the alternative?

 

A fair question.

 

It sounds all nice and tough to say we should just bomb them, but it ain't that easy. And nobody wants a real war with Iran.

 

IMO the only real alternative was to leave the sanctions in place, but that could backfire. The only way they could get power in that scenario is either 1) essentially surrender, which they would never do; or 2) go ahead and build the bomb at all costs, because then we couldn't fock with them anymore.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

A fair question.

 

It sounds all nice and tough to say we should just bomb them, but it ain't that easy. And nobody wants a real war with Iran.

 

IMO the only real alternative was to leave the sanctions in place, but that could backfire. The only way they could get power in that scenario is either 1) essentially surrender, which they would never do; or 2) go ahead and build the bomb at all costs, because then we couldn't fock with them anymore.

Were the sanctions really working? Sure, they were definetly hurting Iran in the pocket (and U.S.) but were they just slowing them, but not stopping them?

[gocolts 300]

Were the sanctions really working? Sure, they were definetly hurting Iran in the pocket (and U.S.) but were they just slowing them, but not stopping them?

You guys are going to love this one.

 

The people of Iran rose up to overthrow their government a while back because they were starving their people so they could build nukes. Obama sat on his hands. Seems like we always helping folks with arms, but for some odd reason, we did nothing.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

You guys are going to love this one.

 

The people of Iran rose up to overthrow their government a while back because they were starving their people so they could build nukes. Obama sat on his hands. Seems like we always helping folks with arms, but for some odd reason, we did nothing.

Prolly because Obummer is a secret mooslim terrorist sent to destroy the US from within

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

You guys are going to love this one.

 

The people of Iran rose up to overthrow their government a while back because they were starving their people so they could build nukes. Obama sat on his hands. Seems like we always helping folks with arms, but for some odd reason, we did nothing.

Back that up and I'll be impressed.

[MDC 7,405]

I can't wait until we get a Republican in office. He will know how to prevent a country that's halfway across the globe from acquiring 70 year old nuclear technology.

[NewbieJr 541]

Back that up and I'll be impressed.

Top secret foreign newspaper

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Top secret foreign newspaper

Yes, those sharp right wingers have access to info the rest of us MSNBC drones are unaware of.

[gocolts 300]

Top secret foreign newspaper

I have NEVER shared any of my top secret info. Everything I post/discuss is from shtt anyone can read, not just my secret groups.

[gocolts 300]

Back that up and I'll be impressed.

I will try to find something better soon, having trouble finding the videos. I am worried they have been removed, but it could be my searching skills blow. It is not very long, so read to the end.

 

 

http://am.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/22/iranian-protestor-plea/

[gocolts 300]

Yes, those sharp right wingers have access to info the rest of us MSNBC drones are unaware of.

I actually watch mostly MSNBC.

[SUXBNME 1,499]

 

Are you saying getting a deal done, no matter what it is, for the sake of saying you did it.....should be commended? That's sort of dumb. Have we lowered the bar so low that we get excited when people do anything, regardless of its a good thing or not?

 

Like I said, I have zero idea if this deal is good or bad. But when the other side, who has a large contingent of folks wanting "Death to Isreal" and "Death to America" as rallying cries, seemed overjoyed at the deal I can't get but so happy.

 

Hopefully, like Shonuff said, its just overly positive spin from their side.

KSB for GOTY.

 

Him or BB is pretty much a no brainer this year.

 

 

Notice the lack of insults to those with opposing views. Hmmmm...

[Baker Boy 1,699]

Top Obama administration officials testified Thursday that the United States would help ensure the physical security of Irans nuclear infrastructure as part of the nuclear agreement they reached with the Islamic republic two weeks ago.

 

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-admits-u-s-will-help-protect-irans-nuclear-program-from-sabotage/

[Voltaire 5,315]

The deal sucks. The administration got rolled. I can't believe they gave away so much; it would have been better to walk away than sign this deal.

 

Their nuclear ability remains almost wholly intact "for peaceful purposes" - a country with a sh*tload of oil, sun, and wind. You don't have inspectors on site 24/7, they only come in with 24 days notice and can only inspect where Iran tells them they can inspect (which does include nuclear facilities they know of but doesn't include military posts.). They couldn't even got the imprisoned journalists out, an indication that Iran dictated the terms and the US conceded every minor point. It's a bag full of nothing much.

 

The Iranians knew Obummer and Kerry were desperate for a deal and that a military option was off the table and that's the position they negotiated from. When they showed they were willing to walk away and publicly issued all those ridiculous demands, they should have been allowed to go. Continuing to negotiate was a sign of weakness. It wsa at that point that I knew we'd cave. And we did.

 

Where to go from here?

 

If I were a Republican, I would tell Obummer to fock off and vote "no". Make him round up Dems to pass this thing. It'd be an easy vote.

 

If I were a Dem, I'd be miserable and p*ssed off. The problem is if you vote "no" the inspectors don't come in and the sanctions collapse because Russia and China (and everbody else who negotiated the d@mn thing) will blame the US -rightly- for focking up the deal. Then you wind up getting nothing and with everybody lifting the sanctions you're worse off than when you started. And that's where Obummer took us. But then you wouldn't want to make Obummer look bad on the international stage nor the domestic one in such a partisan atmosphere. In the end, he deserves it though. I'd still vote 'no'. I wanted a deal, I would have been willing to concede certain things since that's what happens in negotiations, but not all this and not at any cost. Fock this sh*t.

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Any specifics on what you would've done different and exactly why "the deal sucks"?

 

It's a real question, not trying to be snarky. Just seems like a lot of people say "it's a bad deal" without explaining what a better and still realistic deal would've been.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Seems many experts seem to think its a good deal that delays them.

 

If so...then what's so bad?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Seems many experts seem to think its a good deal that delays them.

 

If so...then what's so bad?

I think it's that Iran didn't just let us destroy all their capabilities and then have Obummer d1ckslap Ahmadinejad on live Iranian TV

 

Which would have been focking awesome ...but maybe not entirely realistic