Pats lose 1st Round pick. Brady suspended 4 games.

[drobeski 3,061]

this is good stuff, reinforces my belief that the NFL has arbitrary standards for just about everything that they do

 

nothing ever adds up

the nfl should investigate the investigation.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

*investigation

[Flyfreak 84]

*investigation

*wells

**nfl

***goodell

****Lawrence Taylor

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

*wells

**nfl

***goodell

****Lawrence Taylor

Wow, is this the stage before acceptance?

[Flyfreak 84]

Wow, is this the stage before acceptance?

just practicing * abuse like everyone else here

[IGotWorms 4,063]

What he's doing here is trying to make it look like he's trying to hook me, to cover up for the fact, like the other idiot, that he made a statement without having all the facts.

 

What are you even blathering about here?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

What are you even blathering about here?

Your civil rights nonsense, *counselor

[RLLD 4,275]

just practicing * abuse like everyone else here

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Your civil rights nonsense, *counselor

 

Well you sure as sh1t didn't address anything I said

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

Well you sure as sh1t didn't address anything I said

512 pm

[Djgb13 2,339]

I hear the patriots already have a person ready to fill in for Tom Brady. I think he will do just fine

 

http://www.scoopnest.com/user/Phorts/597916303672868865

[RLLD 4,275]

I hear the patriots already have a person ready to fill in for Tom Brady. I think he will do just fine

 

http://www.scoopnest.com/user/Phorts/597916303672868865

 

 

Thats great....

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

It would just be nice if Brady manned up and took some responsibility for what he's done. He has disrespected the game, and all the QB's that came before him. He is a disgrace to the fraternity. I wonder how Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana feel having to share their great accomplishment with this unrepentant, entitled scoundrel. I pray for his children, even the bastard child he fathered. For shame Tom Brady, for shame.

[drobeski 3,061]

It would just be nice if Brady manned up and took some responsibility for what he's done. He has disrespected the game, and all the QB's that came before him. He is a disgrace to the fraternity. I wonder how Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana feel having to share their great accomplishment with this unrepentant, entitled scoundrel. I pray for his children, even the bastard child he fathered. For shame Tom Brady, for shame.

fake outrage or real retard

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

fake outrage or real retard

 

Gotcha

[MDC 7,882]

Not surprised to see the forearm's biggest crybaby whiner sticking up for a lying cheating dooshbag.

[cbfalcon 827]

10 REASONS WHY AN APPEAL OVERTURNS TOM BRADYS SUSPENSION

 

by DANIEL J. FLYNN

12 May 2015

643

 

Patriots' Tom Brady Expected To Appeal 4 Game Suspension Over 'Deflategate'

Ora TV

 

 

00:00 / 01:21

The NFL suspended Tom Brady four games and snatched $1 million and first- and fourth-round draft picks from the New England Patriots based on the Wells Reports Deflategate findings. The Brady punishments odds of surviving appeal appear somewhat less than the quarterbacks odds of entering the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

 

Though the Patriots remain impotent to appeal the discipline, options aboundincluding a lawsuit and a league appealfor Tom Brady. The leagues past indifference to ball tampering, the bungling of the matter by NFL referees, and the Wells Reports reverse-engineering a guilty verdict based on an assumption of skullduggery all indicate that Tom Brady stands a better chance of starting 16 games this season than he does of starting 12.

 

Here are the top-ten reasons why an honest and impartial arbiter will toss the suspension:

 

#10. Ted Wells Judges 100 Seconds Enough Time to Deflate Balls But 13 Minutes Not Long Enough for Refs to Test Balls?

 

If a Dutch teenager could solve a Rubiks cube in less than six seconds, then its certainly possible that a beer distributor from New Hampshire could deflate a bag of unwieldy prolate spheroids in 100 seconds before the AFC Championship Game. Whether he did or not, we dont know because the bathroom door shielded his activities. But the possibility, like the possibility the he merely took a leak himself, is not implausible, so this supposition by Wells, though entirely speculative, surely does not fall into the outrageous category. Its when the investigator shifts the conversation to the Colts balls that he reveals a prejudice. Wells states (p. 70) that it is estimated that the footballs were inside the [referee] locker room for approximately 13 minutes and 30 seconds at halftime. But that (p. 7) [o]nly four Colts balls were tested because the officials were running out of time before the start of the second half. Get it? Wells finds 100 seconds ample time for one guy to deflate 12 footballs in a cramped bathroom but 810 seconds too brief a period for a room full of referees to gauge even half that number of Colts footballs.

 

#9 Wells Report Labels Texts Undermining Case a Joke, Texts Buttressing Case Dead Serious

 

When the text messages of Patriots employees undermine Wellss case, they joke. When the texts support Wellss case, the texters display unmistakable earnestness. So, when ball handler Jim McNally threatens (pp. 5, 13, 77, 78) to overinflate pigskins to the size of a rugby ball, a watermelon, or a balloon, he clearly jests, according to Wells, as he does (pp. 15, 80) when he says, The only thing deflating sun..is [bradys] passing rating. But when he calls himself, in the same chain of texts, the deflator, he writes in all seriousness even if in a joking tone, according to Wells. In every instance, the language dismissed as jokes undermines the case and the language seized upon as serious, which appears as a reading-between-the-lines reach, suggests guilt. When the beleaguered ball handlers insist the texts represent kidding around, Wells (p. 80) states: We do not view these explanations as plausible or consistent with common sense. All kidding aside, the interpretation says more about the interpreters than the interpreted.

 

#8. Ted Wells Doesnt Really Know the Pregame Pressure Levels

 

The entire Wells Report is based on an assumption that all of the Colts balls measured at 13.0 and all the Patriots balls measured at 12.5 before the game despite referee Walt Anderson conceding some variation (p. 52). Wells admits that the NFL referees did not bother to document the pregame measurements despite the Colts tipping off the NFL to their suspicions and the NFL warning the referees to watch for ball pressure. And despite the halftime measurements showing considerable fluctuations (p. 8) from ball to ball and considerable fluctuations in measurements of the same ball from referee to referee, the report insists on using neat, consistent pregame measurements of 13.0 for each Colts ball and 12.5 for each Patriots ball. Wells accepts the uniform 13.0/12.5 measurements in part because of the level of confidence [referee Walt] Anderson expressed in his recollection that the balls came in around those levels.

 

#7 After Relying on Walt Andersons Best Recollection, Wells Disregards It

 

Heres where things get interesting. According (pp. 51-52) to Andersons best recollection, he used the gauge with a Wilson logo and the long, crooked needle, calibrated by Wellss scientists as finding lower pressure readings, to gauge balls before the game. This is important because if the ref used this gauge that Wellss scientific consultants measured as taking consistently lower readings, then this would force Wells to rely on this particular gauge for halftime readings. Relying on this gauge clears eight of eleven Pats balls. But in this instance, Wells decided to dismiss Andersons best recollection and maintain that Anderson used the other gauge before the game. That certainly helps his case but its difficult to think of anything that helps one come to that conclusion. His scientistsgoing against the testimony of a referee entering his twentieth season in the NFLclaim (p. 116) that Walt Anderson most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge to inspect the game balls prior to the game. Why? As Mike Florio, who outlines this scandalous aspect of the report, writes: Thats how investigations that start with a predetermined outcome and work backward unfold.

 

#6. The Refs and Their Gauges Fluctuated Greatly

 

The halftime pressure readings on each ball vary considerably from referee to referee. There is no uniformity in one refs readings showing higher or lower than the others, suggesting human error or defective equipment. But either of these possibilities kills Wellss case, so he offers a theory explaining this away. He maintains (pp. 116-117) that it appears most likely that the two officials switched gauges in between measuring each teams footballs. While Clete Blakemans readings uniformly measure .3 to .45 psi lower on the Patriots balls than Dyrol Prioleaus readings, Blakemans readings consistently run higher, but on just three of four Colts balls, than Prioleaus. Apart from this inconsistency that raises serious questions about the digital gauges, their batteries, and the people running them, the Wells Reports raw datain contradiction to the narrativedefinitively answers that at least one of the gauges, or perhaps one of the refs, erred. How else to explain the .3 to .45 psi variances on all of the balls?

 

#5 The NFL Doesnt Punish for Ball Tampering

 

Brady denies tampering. Another, some might argue better, quarterback admits it. I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, Aaron Rodgers told CBSs Phil Simms pre-Deflategate, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it. Aside from the rule-breaking admission, the Green Bay Packers QBs preference for bigger footballs brings into question whether a lack of pressure provides an advantage or caters to a preference. Additionally, Foxs cameras caught the Minnesota Vikings and Carolina Panthers heating balls this past season in frigid Minneapolis. NFL officiating guru Dean Blandino told the teams to knock it off. Rodgers has thus far escaped both the tongue lashing and the $25,000 fine. Rule 2, Section 1 states: The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game. This didnt happen. In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, Rule 2, Section 2 holds, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. This didnt happen.

 

#4. Wells Report Misleadingly Says Pats Shielded Ball Handler from Follow-Up Interview

 

We believe the failure by the Patriots and its Counsel to produce [Jim] McNally for the requested follow-up interview violated the clubs obligations to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full cooperation with the investigation, maintains the Wells Report. At best, the language (p. 20) proves misleading. It turns out, the Patriots made the employee in question, Jim McNally, available for three follow-up interviews. Only on the request for a fifth interrogation did the franchise say no more interviews for the game-day employee who lives 75 miles from Gillette Stadium. I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview, Patriots owner Bob Kraft responded. What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer.

 

#3 A Whole Lot of More Probably Than Not Adds Up to Unlikely

 

Judging it more probable than not that Tom Brady was generally awarewhatever that meansof an event itself judged more probable than not does not make for a statistically airtight, or even compelling, case. Add in all the other more probable than not suppositions, such as those dismissing Walt Andersons recollection on what pregame gauge he used or theorizing that the refs switched gauges during halftime, and suddenly a 50 percent+1 finding becomes 25 percent, then 12.5 percent, and so on.

 

#2 Wells Cherry Picks Data

 

The reports assertions repeatedly conflict with its data on ball pressure. Specifically, all but three of the Patriots footballs, as measured by both gauges, registered pressure levels lower than the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law, the report claims. This just isnt true, which a chart presented by Wells (p. 8) plainly shows. Eight of the balls measured by referee Dyrol Prioleau showed readings at or above where Wellss own scientists said balls inflated to 12.5 psi before the game would hit at halftime because of weather conditions. Wells states that the Patriots balls should have measured between 11.52 and 11.32 psi at the end of the first half. Ball 1 (11.80), Ball 3 (11.50), Ball 5 (11.45), Ball 6 (11.95), Ball 7 (12.30), Ball 8 (11.55), Ball 9 (11.35), and Ball 11 (11.35) all registered above 11.32 by Prioleaus readings (Balls 1, 6, and 7 also did so by Blakemans). Put another way, three Pats balls came in above the range outlined by the scientists, three Pats balls came in below the range, and five came within the range. In response to these completely normal measurements, Wells opts to dismiss the findings of a field judge with eight years NFL experience just as he dismissed the recollection of a referee entering his twentieth season in the NFL.

 

#1 1 NFL Uses Different Ball Pressure Standard for Pats and Colts

 

Whereas Wells ignores the best-case-scenario readings for the Patriots and highlights the worst-case scenario ones, he exclusively relies on the highest possible measurements when discussing Colts balls. He says (p. 52) at halftime, No air was added to the Colts balls tested because they each registered within the permissible inflation range on at least one of the two gauges used. Notice the different standard? For the Patriots, he talks about balls not passing muster on both gauges. For the Colts, he employs a one of the two gauges used standard. Apart from whitewashing the inconvenient truth that one referee judged a majority of Pats balls where Wellss scientists said balls inflated to regulation before the game would read at halftime, this underhanded tactic enables Wells to gloss over the fact that three Colts balls lost so much pressure after a half, despite supposedly coming in at 13.0 to begin with, that they fell short of the NFL standard on at least one refs gauge. Relying on the lower gauge when its suits the NFLs purposes and then both gauges when expediency demands it, like accepting Walt Andersons recollections when it suits and dismissing them when it doesnt, suggests a bias that an unbiased arbiter will likely find objectionable enough to dismiss the suspension.

Drobeski won this thread.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Drobeski won this thread.

 

You misspelled he cried alot and whined and still won't accept that his golden boy cheated.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

You misspelled he cried alot and whined and still won't accept that his golden boy cheated.

Brady deserved whatever a pitcher gets for putting a substance on the ball. Michael Pineda got 10 games, so Brady deserved 1 game...and that's if it was a slam dunk that he was guilty, as opposed to it being "more likely than not".

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Brady deserved whatever a pitcher gets for putting a substance on the ball. Michael Pineda got 10 games, so Brady deserved 1 game...and that's if it was a slam dunk that he was guilty, as opposed to it being "more likely than not".

"More probable than not" that he was "generally aware." I.e., horsesh1t

[Sho Nuff 720]

"More probable than not" that he was "generally aware." I.e., horsesh1t

 

So you think any civil case is horsesh1t that uses the same threshold?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

So you think any civil case is horsesh1t that uses the same threshold?

Civil cases don't use that threshold.

 

"More probably that not" means greater than 50%

 

Let's say "generally aware" is roughly equivalent to 50% itself. It sure isn't 100%, right?

 

Well 50% on top of 50% is 25%. It's basic probabilities.

 

Drobs' link set this out pretty well, it's actually a very good article

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Brady deserved whatever a pitcher gets for putting a substance on the ball. Michael Pineda got 10 games, so Brady deserved 1 game...and that's if it was a slam dunk that he was guilty, as opposed to it being "more likely than not".

Pineda got busted in the middle of the game and was removed. If Brady got yanked your point would be better. But the cheating occurred after the balls were checked, and Brady suffered no ramifications until after the game had been decided.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Civil cases don't use that threshold.

 

"More probably that not" means greater than 50%

 

Let's say "generally aware" is roughly equivalent to 50% itself. It sure isn't 100%, right?

 

Well 50% on top of 50% is 25%. It's basic probabilities.

 

Drobs' link set this out pretty well, it's actually a very good article

 

I usually laugh when people use the whole fake lawyer thing with you...but yeah, civil cases use the threshold of preponderance of the evidence...which Wells actually talks about in the report and has equated to the whole more likely than not thing.

 

More likely than not...means at least 50.1%...of course all the talking heads supporting the pats or against this report act as if it was the lowest part of this threshold...when that may not be the case.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I usually laugh when people use the whole fake lawyer thing with you...but yeah, civil cases use the threshold of preponderance of the evidence...which Wells actually talks about in the report and has equated to the whole more likely than not thing.

 

More likely than not...means at least 50.1%...of course all the talking heads supporting the pats or against this report act as if it was the lowest part of this threshold...when that may not be the case.

I guess you're struggling to understand probabilities here.

 

Yes preponderance of the evidence is the civil standard. Yes that is 50.1% or greater.

 

Now humor me here. Let's say you flip a coin, what is the probability that you are going to get heads? 50%, right?

 

But let's say you flip a coin twice in a row. What's the probability you get heads twice? 25%, right? 50% on top of 50% is 25%.

 

So when you say it is "more probable than not" (50.1%) that someone is "generally aware" (50%) of something, you're actually saying you're less than 50% sure. It's a simple matter of logic and probabilities, and Wells sure as hell should've understood the fallacy of what he was writing.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I guess you're struggling to understand probabilities here.

 

Yes preponderance of the evidence is the civil standard. Yes that is 50.1% or greater.

 

Now humor me here. Let's say you flip a coin, what is the probability that you are going to get heads? 50%, right?

 

But let's say you flip a coin twice in a row. What's the probability you get heads twice? 25%, right? 50% on top of 50% is 25%.

 

So when you say it is "more probable than not" (50.1%) that someone is "generally aware" (50%) of something, you're actually saying you're less than 50% sure. It's a simple matter of logic and probabilities, and Wells sure as hell should've understood the fallacy of what he was writing.

 

 

So you are trying to play semantics to keep holding onto hope despite what is already obvious to most sane individuals (yeah, you Pats fans have shown you are not sane).

 

Sorry...your boy focked up. He could have ended this quickly without a whole lot of punishment...but he focked up.

He denied, lied, deflected and now 2 guys are out of a job and he sits suspended for being an idiot.

And you fan boys will defend him and the Pats no matter what.

Focking sad.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I guess you're struggling to understand probabilities here.

 

Yes preponderance of the evidence is the civil standard. Yes that is 50.1% or greater.

 

Now humor me here. Let's say you flip a coin, what is the probability that you are going to get heads? 50%, right?

 

But let's say you flip a coin twice in a row. What's the probability you get heads twice? 25%, right? 50% on top of 50% is 25%.

 

So when you say it is "more probable than not" (50.1%) that someone is "generally aware" (50%) of something, you're actually saying you're less than 50% sure. It's a simple matter of logic and probabilities, and Wells sure as hell should've understood the fallacy of what he was writing.

Just an FYI I hated the stats class I took in college. Was called Biostats and I have yet to use it to "test hypothesis's". Actually haven't used it all

[cbfalcon 827]

Pineda got busted in the middle of the game and was removed. If Brady got yanked your point would be better. But the cheating occurred after the balls were checked, and Brady suffered no ramifications until after the game had been decided.

So if Pineda had been busted for putting Vaseline on the ball after the game by video, you'd support a 40 game suspension?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

So if Pineda had been busted for putting Vaseline on the ball after the game by video, you'd support a 40 game suspension?

In baseball? No. That's not the precident in that sport. This is a new, as far as I know, occurrence in football. Now if Brady had been kicked out of the game, I would say that's punishment enough right there.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

All ball busting aside, I think Tom Brady is a good guy and a hell of a QB. But he thought hecould get away with a little edge here, and I truly don't think he thought he was committing the crime of the century. In college they can do whatever they want with the balls, so I don't think he thought it was this giant deal. But somebody decided it was, and when it first broke I'm sure he thought it would blow over. If he new this firestorm was coming, I'm sure he would have come clean from the start. His press conferences concerning the deflation are very clumsy and indicative of someone who is not experienced in being deceptive. The "I don't think I cheated" statement says a lot to me, and I think it was his most honest moment. If I'm him, I throw myself on the mercy of the court, say "I focked up" and try to get a reduction in the punishment that way.I think most reasonable people would be satisfied with that. He didn't kill anyone, or anything even close. I reserve the right to bust balls though

[jerryskids 7,084]

I guess you're struggling to understand probabilities here.

 

Yes preponderance of the evidence is the civil standard. Yes that is 50.1% or greater.

 

Now humor me here. Let's say you flip a coin, what is the probability that you are going to get heads? 50%, right?

 

But let's say you flip a coin twice in a row. What's the probability you get heads twice? 25%, right? 50% on top of 50% is 25%.

 

So when you say it is "more probable than not" (50.1%) that someone is "generally aware" (50%) of something, you're actually saying you're less than 50% sure. It's a simple matter of logic and probabilities, and Wells sure as hell should've understood the fallacy of what he was writing.

 

This is fake math. How do you assign 50% to "generally aware"? That is a 100% statement, if you are assigning probabilities.

 

Also is your position that lowly locker room attendants took air out of the ball, and Brady was generally aware of it, but he wasn't complicit in that activity?

 

Funny thing is, I could actually come up with the perfect position on this. If I were Brady, I would say "I talked to the guys who prep the game balls and told them that anything they could do to make the ball seem less inflated would be awesome. In my mind that meant rubbing them with emu oil or whatever, but they took it the extra step of taking air out of the balls after they were inspected. I appreciate their efforts in going above and beyond in trying to meet my request, but obviously we can't violate league rules. I apologize for not being clearer in my communication with them and take full responsibility for it."

 

Yahtzee$#@! In the background he takes care of the guys so that they don't tell the truth, because I don't believe this is what happened.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

This is fake math. How do you assign 50% to "generally aware"? That is a 100% statement, if you are assigning probabilities.

 

Also is your position that lowly locker room attendants took air out of the ball, and Brady was generally aware of it, but he wasn't complicit in that activity?

 

Funny thing is, I could actually come up with the perfect position on this. If I were Brady, I would say "I talked to the guys who prep the game balls and told them that anything they could do to make the ball seem less inflated would be awesome. In my mind that meant rubbing them with emu oil or whatever, but they took it the extra step of taking air out of the balls after they were inspected. I appreciate their efforts in going above and beyond in trying to meet my request, but obviously we can't violate league rules. I apologize for not being clearer in my communication with them and take full responsibility for it."

 

Yahtzee$#@! In the background he takes care of the guys so that they don't tell the truth, because I don't believe this is what happened.

Bullseye, but we are looking at it after the fact. When these things are going down, people mostly go with the CYA route. Seen it all the time in the Police Dept, with scandals great and small. People panic.

[Giants Fan 85]

Tl,dr

 

I think he will have a hard time getting it reduced. Not because Tom Brady has a history, which he may or may not, of cheating, and supporting cheating. I said it months ago, "It's no big deal, UNLESS .. Tom Brady lied about knowing about it."

 

Now it's a big deal. Yah know, how much of an edge did Lance Armstrong get, and how long did he deny it, and is there a cheating culture within the Patriots? I think the team itself would have to fight the whole thing, and Brady wont even try to defend himself. The NFLPA will file yer standard objection, suspension will be upheld. End of story. Maybe.

[Giants Fan 85]

In other words,,I think they eat it, and stfu. They have to act pissed off about it, but it totally woulda been worth it, if they didn't get caught. And it makes you wonder, like a guy you don't trust in a poker game, I kinda caught him cheating, what else is he doing that I am missing? Right? Clearly, you have a guy,,willing to get in front of the press and lie, just like Lance Armstrong ... It's a slap on the wrist. And an asterix that will forever taint that Superbowl win.

 

You don't like it? Don't be a Patriots fan.

 

We need to start like a public announcement, "Cheating is gay." seems to be be perfect,for the times.

 

Post on twitter now, #cheatingisgay with your opinion about how the NFL should handle these fairy ass cheaters!

 

Ok, that would prolly not be very PC but you get the idea. If it was a poker game, and you lost money, even a slight edge, you would be pissed.

[Eaglesin14 12]

"More probable than not" that he was "generally aware." I.e., horsesh1t

 

This isn't a court of law. Wells,didn't have the discovery tools he would have had in a court proceeding.

 

Time for you to man up and accept Brady is a cheater.

[RLLD 4,275]

 

This is fake math. How do you assign 50% to "generally aware"? That is a 100% statement, if you are assigning probabilities.

 

Also is your position that lowly locker room attendants took air out of the ball, and Brady was generally aware of it, but he wasn't complicit in that activity?

 

Funny thing is, I could actually come up with the perfect position on this. If I were Brady, I would say "I talked to the guys who prep the game balls and told them that anything they could do to make the ball seem less inflated would be awesome. In my mind that meant rubbing them with emu oil or whatever, but they took it the extra step of taking air out of the balls after they were inspected. I appreciate their efforts in going above and beyond in trying to meet my request, but obviously we can't violate league rules. I apologize for not being clearer in my communication with them and take full responsibility for it."

 

Yahtzee$#@! In the background he takes care of the guys so that they don't tell the truth, because I don't believe this is what happened.

 

This is what I have been saying all along, and if THIS were true I am certain this would have happened. The coverup is a strong indication that Brady knew and perhaps so too did Bellicheat and Krafty as well, but collectively they looked at it and agreed that the league did not have enough and could not pin anything to them.

[edjr 6,898]

Loving this little exchange

 

 

 

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3 peas in a pod

[Cruzer 1,996]

I'm talking about when they were illegal, you think no players were using and tainted game outcomes before they got caught?

There was testing, those caught were penalized... Tom Brady was caught, he was penalized - end of story.

[Eaglesin14 12]

This is what I have been saying all along, and if THIS were true I am certain this would have happened. The coverup is a strong indication that Brady knew and perhaps so too did Bellicheat and Krafty as well, but collectively they looked at it and agreed that the league did not have enough and could not pin anything to them.

Kraft claims they did nothing wrong, but canned the two equipment mgrs involved.

 

Why fire people who did nothing wrong, Robert?

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

Brady needs to hold a press conference, walk up to the mic and say "And I would of got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids"