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well, Randle's stock is not going to go up while hes on the sidelines. that's for sure.

It can go up if McFadden gets injured which is always a possibility with him.

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I suspect neither McFadden nor Randle get more than 200 carries and trying to figure out which one will be receiving the bulk of the work on a week to week basis will frustrate fantasy owners all year.

 

Unless one of these guys goes down for a long stretch I doubt either tops 1,200 or so total yards. That's good value but to me there isn't a Top 10 back on the roster even behind a great OL.

 

If I had to pick one I guess I would prefer Randle because he's less likely to strain his vaj but I would draft McFadden since he's going 4+ rounds later in most mocks.

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Randle's oblique issue is good news for drafters. His ADP should be tumbling soon.

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Randle's oblique issue is good news for drafters. His ADP should be tumbling soon.

- saw him drop to late 4th in latest mocks ... he had been going as high as late 2nd recently.

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Randle's oblique issue is good news for drafters. His ADP should be tumbling soon.

Yep - he and DMC are prolly going to be a scratch for Sunday's game..... I was pretty pissed we didn't take a Rb in the 3rd, then I was puzzled as to why we didn't draft one at all... Now I'm back to pissed for not getting a Rb in the draft... We have the RGIII of running backs.

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- saw him drop to late 4th in latest mocks ... he had been going as high as late 2nd recently.

Late 2nd? Wow. I just dont get it. Sure the guy might be really good behind that line, but there are proven studs still available in the late second round. Thats why i hate drafting online. Someone sees Randles name coming up so they decide he must be taken in the 2nd round, where if you didnt see his name coming up he would prob go two rounds later at least.

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frederick is the only OL starter who is practicing right now--smith, free, leary, and martin are all down for multiple practices. 3rd round rookie OT is on PUP.

 

DMC and dunbar are just returning from injury. randle has been limited.

 

dez is still out. beasley is out. hanna (best blocking TE) is out.

 

on defense, crawford is out. t mcclain is out. r mcclain is out. lee is just coming back. scandrick is just coming back. hitchens is limited. jones is out. carr is nursing a broken hand.

 

 

most of the starting lineup, along with most of the key package players, have missed some or all of camp. if it tells you anything, romo is the healthiest player on the team right now.

Grant you that, but if regular season these guys would be playing right? Of anything team's being extra cautious now.

 

There are teams getting hit hard with injuries now. Carolina, AZ, J-ville. That's the context I'm referring to.

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Grant you that, but if regular season these guys would be playing right? Of anything team's being extra cautious now.

 

There are teams getting hit hard with injuries now. Carolina, AZ, J-ville. That's the context I'm referring to.

 

 

sure--if it were the regular season, a few of those guys (randle, carr, etc.) would be gutting though, but most of them would be missing games. the key is to look for players who have missed (or will miss) a full week of camp.

 

i do agree that DAL hasn't had to face any catastrophic injuries.

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sure--if it were the regular season, a few of those guys (randle, carr, etc.) would be gutting though, but most of them would be missing games. the key is to look for players who have missed (or will miss) a full week of camp.

 

i do agree that DAL hasn't had to face any catastrophic injuries.

On a side not I'm not sure DeMo has had one carry yet, camp or otherwise. Kelly really playing it safe lol...

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On a side not I'm not sure DeMo has had one carry yet, camp or otherwise. Kelly really playing it safe lol...

 

 

noticed that last week--something about his "hydration levels". there was an article in forbes (of all places) asking why PHI was paying full-time money for a part-time RB.

 

i'm pleased that DAL was fiscally smart, but i'd hate to see any negative stuff about murray--they guy was a class act, a great worker, and a great teammate.

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Late 2nd? Wow. I just dont get it. Sure the guy might be really good behind that line, but there are proven studs still available in the late second round. Thats why i hate drafting online. Someone sees Randles name coming up so they decide he must be taken in the 2nd round, where if you didnt see his name coming up he would prob go two rounds later at least.

 

latest mock this morning (12 team ppr) had him going late 3rd (3.11) ... back immediately before him was Gore (3.09)

 

backs that went after him: Spiller (3.12), Slats (4.2), Duke Ellie (4.3), Flash Gordo (4.6), AlfMo (4.10), Mr. Hyde (4.11), Hurdy Gurley Man (4.12)

 

DMac as of this morn: 9.7 - in with the likes of Mathews, Sankey, Freeman, Sproles, Mason, HELU, Woodhead, Sims (all 9th rd)

 

:dunno:

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noticed that last week--something about his "hydration levels". there was an article in forbes (of all places) asking why PHI was paying full-time money for a part-time RB.

 

i'm pleased that DAL was fiscally smart, but i'd hate to see any negative stuff about murray--they guy was a class act, a great worker, and a great teammate.

Lol... you might not be as gracious about him after he runs for 200 yards against the Boys in Week 2.

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latest mock this morning (12 team ppr) had him going late 3rd (3.11) ... back immediately before him was Gore (3.09)

 

backs that went after him: Spiller (3.12), Slats (4.2), Duke Ellie (4.3), Flash Gordo (4.6), AlfMo (4.10), Mr. Hyde (4.11), Hurdy Gurley Man (4.12)

 

DMac as of this morn: 9.7 - in with the likes of Mathews, Sankey, Freeman, Sproles, Mason, HELU, Woodhead, Sims (all 9th rd)

 

:dunno:

I see no difference between Randle and Mathews. They are both semi talented split time rbs on good offenses with injury prone counterparts. I guess only difference is Matthews was brought in to be a part of that team and has actually done something in his career. Meanwhile Randle is kind of just the groundskeeper who wont leave and hasnt done anything ever.

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i can't equate randle and mathews, at least not yet. mathews is a confirmed, no-questions-asked backup/relief guy.

 

randle still has a shot at being the #1 back.

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i can't equate randle and mathews, at least not yet. mathews is a confirmed, no-questions-asked backup/relief guy.

 

randle still has a shot at being the #1 back.

This is the appearance, but the reality may be different on both teams. If I had just come into FF today and didnt get my info from message boards and the fantasy community and only gathered info from the nfl, id have a hard time finding proof that dallas actually intends to use Randle as a starter. All id see is that they brought in Mcfadden. No blurbs saying randle is our guy, no body of work to evidence that he deserves it. Its just perception of fantasy players really. On the eagles side, at least I can point to Murrays huge season and trade as clear evidence he should get the lions share. But Chip has expressely said lately that he wants to use 2 rbs and is well aware of the breakdown factor of Murray and his history. I feel both situations are slightly different than they appear. They both sound like "Were gonna run CJ spiller til he pukes" situations.

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This is the appearance, but the reality may be different on both teams. If I had just come into FF today and didnt get my info from message boards and the fantasy community and only gathered info from the nfl, id have a hard time finding proof that dallas actually intends to use Randle as a starter. All id see is that they brought in Mcfadden. No blurbs saying randle is our guy, no body of work to evidence that he deserves it. Its just perception of fantasy players really. On the eagles side, at least I can point to Murrays huge season and trade as clear evidence he should get the lions share. But Chip has expressely said lately that he wants to use 2 rbs and is well aware of the breakdown factor of Murray and his history. I feel both situations are slightly different than they appear. They both sound like "Were gonna run CJ spiller til he pukes" situations.

 

 

there is no proof of such--garrett has been quite clear that it is an open competition, and that DMC still has an effective toolbox. however, it isn't just vague speculation that from day 1 of OTAs--and continuing through camp--randle has consistently run with the 1s. DMC just started getting first team reps, but only because DAL is holding randle out of the 11 on 11s due to his oblique strain.

 

sunday is the first game where both will be active and running, from which we will begin to get an idea of how the competition will go. i expect that both players will still be going in game 4 of preseason, at which point we should know more. but to this point, the lead back job had been randle's to lose.

 

as i've said from the outset, the #1 guy will be looking at 220-240 carries. it's highly unlikely that mathews will see that kind of production, but your board is your business.

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there is no proof of such--garrett has been quite clear that it is an open competition, and that DMC still has an effective toolbox. however, it isn't just vague speculation that from day 1 of OTAs--and continuing through camp--randle has consistently run with the 1s. DMC just started getting first team reps, but only because DAL is holding randle out of the 11 on 11s due to his oblique strain.

 

sunday is the first game where both will be active and running, from which we will begin to get an idea of how the competition will go. i expect that both players will still be going in game 4 of preseason, at which point we should know more. but to this point, the lead back job had been randle's to lose.

 

as i've said from the outset, the #1 guy will be looking at 220-240 carries. it's highly unlikely that mathews will see that kind of production, but your board is your business.

You can't tell one side of the story and not the other, the reason DMC just started getting first team reps is not only because they are holding Randle out. It is because DMC was also held out of 1st team reps prior due to injury.

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You can't tell one side of the story and not the other, the reason DMC just started getting first team reps is not only because they are holding Randle out. It is because DMC was also held out of 1st team reps prior due to injury.

 

you don't hold a guy out of "1st team reps" due to injury. you hold him out of entire sessions. from the get-go in OTAs, randle was running with the 1s. this is logical, since he was already familiar with the system. but throughout all of offseason, there has never been a changing of the guard from randle to DMC, or a definite split.

 

garrett has been very clear that the RB situation would be shared, but that there would be a competition for the lead back. and to this point, randle has been the lead dog. one can speculate about what DMC might do, but so far he hasn't done it, and there is no overriding reason to expect a sudden change,

 

the point stands--up to now, randle had been the starter, and has at least an equal shot at being the #1 come regular season. mathews can't say the same.

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Dallas is going to continue to be irrelevent as long as Jerry Jones makes "football" decisions.

He should have paid Murrary, if for only 1 year.

 

Instead he overpaid Romo and thought he couldn't afford Murray and Bryant.

Fool and his money.

 

I view Randle as a less risk for equal/more reward.

 

That stated, I just cannot grip where the D RB market value should be.

I am thinking 3rd round at earliest.

 

Prediction. Boys will make, but not advance in the Playoffs this year.

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Dallas is going to continue to be irrelevent as long as Jerry Jones makes "football" decisions.

 

 

you have zero idea of what you're talking about. like, none. everyone who has covered the internal workings of the cowboys organization agrees--JJ goes with the consensus of coaches/scouts/execs, and cast the tie-breaking vote in an impasse. peter king was just talking about this today.

 

parcells usually got his way in the draft. for his top picks, parcells chose guys like julius jones, ware (bill wanted merriman), spears, and carpenter. this helped create the talent void that doomed DAL in the following years.

 

by comparison, 4 of the last 5 first picks are all-pros.

 

you know who thought DAL was pretty relevant last season? SEA, who the cowboys physically beat up and defeated in their house, and GB. those two teams are the class of the division. and that was with a defense held together with bailing wire and masking tape. in the offseason, DAL upgraded every position group on defense, along with the OL.

 

on the other hand, PHI is paying murray almost triple the money for half the carries, and has had to hold him out of practice already because they're worried about him getting hurt.

 

:doh:

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you don't hold a guy out of "1st team reps" due to injury. you hold him out of entire sessions. from the get-go in OTAs, randle was running with the 1s. this is logical, since he was already familiar with the system. but throughout all of offseason, there has never been a changing of the guard from randle to DMC, or a definite split.

 

garrett has been very clear that the RB situation would be shared, but that there would be a competition for the lead back. and to this point, randle has been the lead dog. one can speculate about what DMC might do, but so far he hasn't done it, and there is no overriding reason to expect a sudden change,

 

the point stands--up to now, randle had been the starter, and has at least an equal shot at being the #1 come regular season. mathews can't say the same.

Actually McFadden was on the PUP list with a hamstring strain, he wasn't held out of 1st team reps. He didn't even show up to camp until after Randle was injured. Also, every depth chart I've been able to find lists McFadden as no.1. They may or may not be accurate.

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you don't hold a guy out of "1st team reps" due to injury. you hold him out of entire sessions. from the get-go in OTAs, randle was running with the 1s. this is logical, since he was already familiar with the system. but throughout all of offseason, there has never been a changing of the guard from randle to DMC, or a definite split.

 

garrett has been very clear that the RB situation would be shared, but that there would be a competition for the lead back. and to this point, randle has been the lead dog. one can speculate about what DMC might do, but so far he hasn't done it, and there is no overriding reason to expect a sudden change,

 

the point stands--up to now, randle had been the starter, and has at least an equal shot at being the #1 come regular season. mathews can't say the same.

DmC was brought in to be their 1a, got hurt and was held out. Simple as that. I agree they have equal shot to be the guy but either way they are splitting carries. Coaches don't give a fock about fantasy.

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you have zero idea of what you're talking about. like, none. everyone who has covered the internal workings of the cowboys organization agrees--JJ goes with the consensus of coaches/scouts/execs, and cast the tie-breaking vote in an impasse. peter king was just talking about this today.

 

parcells usually got his way in the draft. for his top picks, parcells chose guys like julius jones, ware (bill wanted merriman), spears, and carpenter. this helped create the talent void that doomed DAL in the following years.

 

by comparison, 4 of the last 5 first picks are all-pros.

 

you know who thought DAL was pretty relevant last season? SEA, who the cowboys physically beat up and defeated in their house, and GB. those two teams are the class of the division. and that was with a defense held together with bailing wire and masking tape. in the offseason, DAL upgraded every position group on defense, along with the OL.

 

on the other hand, PHI is paying murray almost triple the money for half the carries, and has had to hold him out of practice already because they're worried about him getting hurt.

 

:doh:

All talk of $ and cap space aside ... the Cowboys are a lot worse off for having lost Murray and the Eagles' backfield is among the best in football. So the Boys can pat themselves in the back for not overspending on a RB but they really screwed the pooch in failing to address the position in FA or the draft especially given Romo's age and injury history.

 

Conversely you look at the Colts and they brought in Gore and Andre, both well past ther prime to try to get over the hump. That is called striking while the iron is hot.

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All talk of $ and cap space aside ... the Cowboys are a lot worse off for having lost Murray and the Eagles' backfield is among the best in football. So the Boys can pat themselves in the back for not overspending on a RB but they really screwed the pooch in failing to address the position in FA or the draft especially given Romo's age and injury history.

 

Conversely you look at the Colts and they brought in Gore and Andre, both well past ther prime to try to get over the hump. That is called striking while the iron is hot.

 

you mean that they should have gotten an RB who was better than murray? because whereas romo has been quite successful without murray in the lineup, murray without romo couldn't do much of anything. so yeah--if there was a better RB than murray available, and for a decent price, i would have been all for bringing him in. i wanted mathews during FA, and abdullah in the draft. but you can't always get what you want.

 

amusingly, 2 years ago, PHI fans were laughing at how fragile murray was. these days, they talk like murray's 2014 season was theirs. so yeah--you should have one of the best backfields in the league--you're paying $14M/yr for it. we'll see how it shakes out during the season.

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Dallas RBs rushed over 470 times last year. If Dunbar gets his 30 carries again that leaves 440 carries between Randle and McFadden. 220 carries each in a 50/50 timeshare. The RB to own is the one that will stay healthy.

 

Fun fact: Only 13 RBs carried the ball more than 220 times last year.

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...and the Eagles' backfield is among the best in football.

Except for the fact the Iggs have an unproven, glass chandelier at the most important position in football - QB.

 

Maybe the up paced, tempo of Chip's offense will be a good fit for Murray. Then again maybe not, maybe we will find out Murray w/out Romo isn't a brilliant $40m biz plan.

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Dallas RBs rushed over 470 times last year. If Dunbar gets his 30 carries again that leaves 440 carries between Randle and McFadden. 220 carries each in a 50/50 timeshare. The RB to own is the one that will stay healthy.

Fun fact: Only 13 RBs carried the ball more than 220 times last year.

Good data.

 

The nice thing about the Randle situation is McFadden is no longer a good running back, even when healthy. He scares nobody anymore. Besides, how many games is he going to last playing on that Dallas turf?

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The nice thing about the Randle situation is McFadden is no longer a good running back, even when healthy. He scares nobody anymore. Besides, how many games is he going to last playing on that Dallas turf?

In the limited action we've seen of him in camp - he's looked as good, if not better, than Randle.

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In the limited action we've seen of him in camp - he's looked as good, if not better, than Randle.

We talkin about practice? Practice?

 

Not only that, his primary concern is injury and he's already pulled up lame once in practice.

 

Cmon folks. When DMC plays in games he's been ineffective.

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Like Randle alot this year... people having recency bias. If DMC comes out of relatively no where to steal the show so be it...

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I would say Randle at this point. PPR Dunbar ahead of McFadden even. As if McFadden can

ever, ever, ever stay healthy.

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We talkin about practice? Practice?

 

Not only that, his primary concern is injury and he's already pulled up lame once in practice.

 

Cmon folks. When DMC plays in games he's been ineffective.

Are you here in Dallas - watch pretty much everything up to date, or are you one of those NFL, ESPN update guys?

 

Yea I'm talking about practice - what else is there? Our entire Rb stable has been banged up - nobody has gotten much work... Randle is fighting on on-going oblique muscle strain himself - hasn't looked any better than the rest... In fact, there is much concern over his lack of pass protection. We all knew it would be a concern - but he hasn't yet shown much improvement.

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Dallas RBs rushed over 470 times last year. If Dunbar gets his 30 carries again that leaves 440 carries between Randle and McFadden. 220 carries each in a 50/50 timeshare. The RB to own is the one that will stay healthy.

Fun fact: Only 13 RBs carried the ball more than 220 times last year.

If the one to own is the one that will stay healthy , than the best value would be Dunbar , neither McFadden or Randle can handle all that work and stay healthy . We already know that about McFadden and Randle is already hurt . So maybe it's Dunbar late .

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If the one to own is the one that will stay healthy , than the best value would be Dunbar , neither McFadden or Randle can handle all that work and stay healthy . We already know that about McFadden and Randle is already hurt . So maybe it's Dunbar late .

Dunbar is listed at 5'8", 195 lbs. - I have doubts he's even that... Dunbar is a great little change of pace, scat type back. But he has zero red-zone value, nor is he ever going to get the ball more than 10 times a game.

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Ah Dallas. Broadcasting their practices every day. Brilliant.

And they wonder why they are so inconsistent. Every win is the Super bowl, and every loss is the end of the world.

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Every win is the Super bowl, and every loss is the end of the world.

Stay clueless. :thumbsup:

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Are you here in Dallas - watch pretty much everything up to date, or are you one of those NFL, ESPN update guys?

 

Yea I'm talking about practice - what else is there? Our entire Rb stable has been banged up - nobody has gotten much work... Randle is fighting on on-going oblique muscle strain himself - hasn't looked any better than the rest... In fact, there is much concern over his lack of pass protection. We all knew it would be a concern - but he hasn't yet shown much improvement.

Yes. I travel to every training camp before I comment on things on this site. It's not easy but I'm really accumulating those frequent flyer miles for training camps 2016.

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