Tom Brady will NOT accept a deal - No games or bust

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Torn here. Hate Brady, but hate Goodell more.

[MDC 7,505]

TBIAFP

[mighty_thor 115]

Makes me sad how Kraft kowtowed to Goddell

 

Beyond pathetic how much he let the fans down.

 

Truly proving that he is just an empty suit that doesn't understand or get the fans at all.

 

I'll give a pass to people in their 20's or younger who might bash Kraft for accepting Goddell's punishment. But any real Patriot fan in their 30's or over would never call Robert Kraft a suit. The real Patriot fans remember the Pat's owners before Kraft. A collection of the biggest Shysters you could lay your hands on. All they cared about was money. Kraft was a fan from day one, having been a season ticket holder since the franchise was born. That's right, he got to sit in one of the crappiest stadiums in the NFL and root for a team that almost never had a winning season. Then he buys the Patriots from a guy who wanted to move them to St. Louis. He gets an offer to move the team to Hartford, where he would have made a ton of money and had a new stadium built for him by tax payers. But he kept the team in the Boston area because he couldn't bear to see the team leave their Boston fans and he then proceeded to build his own stadium with his own money. He is the perfect focken owner. He goes to the games, makes speeches, stays out of the focken way of guys who make the football decisions and gives out expensive championship rings. He has hired two coaches during his ownership: Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick. I think he has an eye for talent at the coaching position.

 

I was not happy with the team punishment from Goddel but Kraft really had no choice. He said he would accept the leagues punishment before it was handed out and as man of integrity he reluctantly kept his word. There is no appeal procedure for a team. that is only for players. So, his only option would have been to sue the NFL. So, in the best interest of the league he swallowed his pride and took the punishment.

 

If you are a true Patriot's fan you would cut Kraft some slack because he certainly deserves it. A lot of it.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

I'll give a pass to people in their 20's or younger who might bash Kraft for accepting Goddell's punishment. But any real Patriot fan in their 30's or over would never call Robert Kraft a suit. The real Patriot fans remember the Pat's owners before Kraft. A collection of the biggest Shysters you could lay your hands on. All they cared about was money. Kraft was a fan from day one, having been a season ticket holder since the franchise was born. That's right, he got to sit in one of the crappiest stadiums in the NFL and root for a team that almost never had a winning season. Then he buys the Patriots from a guy who wanted to move them to St. Louis. He gets an offer to move the team to Hartford, where he would have made a ton of money and had a new stadium built for him by tax payers. But he kept the team in the Boston area because he couldn't bear to see the team leave their Boston fans and he then proceeded to build his own stadium with his own money. He is the perfect focken owner. He goes to the games, makes speeches, stays out of the focken way of guys who make the football decisions and gives out expensive championship rings. He has hired two coaches during his ownership: Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick. I think he has an eye for talent at the coaching position.

 

I was not happy with the team punishment from Goddel but Kraft really had no choice. He said he would accept the leagues punishment before it was handed out and as man of integrity he reluctantly kept his word. There is no appeal procedure for a team. that is only for players. So, his only option would have been to sue the NFL. So, in the best interest of the league he swallowed his pride and took the punishment.

 

If you are a true Patriot's fan you would cut Kraft some slack because he certainly deserves it. A lot of it.

So, he gets credit for hiring Carroll,but not for firing him despite making the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, and not having a losing season. Nice. Sort of how smart Steinbrenner got after Torre won a WS his first year.

[RLLD 4,254]

If it's the PA bringing the suit can the government still compel Brady to give up what he was hiding? Might he have found a way to get rid of all the evidence by now?

[IGotWorms 4,059]

If it's the PA bringing the suit can the government still compel Brady to give up what he was hiding? Might he have found a way to get rid of all the evidence by now?

The government? I'm thinking maybe you don't understand how this works

[mighty_thor 115]

So, he gets credit for hiring Carroll,but not for firing him despite making the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, and not having a losing season. Nice. Sort of how smart Steinbrenner got after Torre won a WS his first year.

Even Carroll would admit he was not quite the coach he is now. Carroll took a team that went to the super bowl and they got progressively worse every year. The Patriots were a veteran team that just didn't respond to Carroll's rah rah style. He fired Carroll and replaced him with a more hard line coach in Belichick. And no one could possibly say that was a bad decision. Kraft replaced Carroll with a better coach.

[RLLD 4,254]

The government? I'm thinking maybe you don't understand how this works

Is it a civil suit?

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Is it a civil suit?

Are you thinking it would be a criminal prosecution somehow?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Brady can go to jail for football pressure? What happened to my country?

[RLLD 4,254]

Are you thinking it would be a criminal prosecution somehow?

Interesting, avoidancestors of the question....if it's a civil suit and tie PA is bringing it, then Brady can keep hiding the incriminating info I think

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 288]

Even Carroll would admit he was not quite the coach he is now. Carroll took a team that went to the super bowl and they got progressively worse every year. The Patriots were a veteran team that just didn't respond to Carroll's rah rah style. He fired Carroll and replaced him with a more hard line coach in Belichick. And no one could possibly say that was a bad decision. Kraft replaced Carroll with a better coach.

 

- Carroll's hippie sh!t just didn't fly on the East Coast

[NewbieJr 541]

TBIAFP

TBIACFP

 

Can't forget that he's a cheater

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Interesting, avoidancestors of the question....if it's a civil suit and tie PA is bringing it, then Brady can keep hiding the incriminating info I think

Okay, still not sure where "the government" works in...also you appear to assume the existence of "incriminating info".

 

To answer your question my suspicion is that the record would be limited to what was before the NFL when it made its decision. So no discovery and no new info.

[RLLD 4,254]

Okay, still not sure where "the government" works in...also you appear to assume the existence of "incriminating info".

 

To answer your question my suspicion is that the record would be limited to what was before the NFL when it made its decision. So no discovery and no new info.

So why do it? What is the angle

[mighty_thor 115]

Okay, still not sure where "the government" works in...also you appear to assume the existence of "incriminating info".

 

To answer your question my suspicion is that the record would be limited to what was before the NFL when it made its decision. So no discovery and no new info.

 

I thought I have read that the judge hearing the case could ask and probably would ask for phone records and texts if BRADY took them to court.

 

But it looks like the angle the Players Union wants to argue are violations of procedures established in the collective bargain agreement.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

I thought I have read that the judge hearing the case could ask and probably would ask for phone records and texts if BRADY took them to court.

 

But it looks like the angle the Players Union wants to argue are violations of procedures established in the collective bargain agreement.

We'll see that's the thing. You argue the NFL must up in the process of making the decision. So the substance of it really isn't even the question, and thus any information the NFL didn't have in the decision making process becomes irrelevant.

[Franknbeans 46]

It will be sweet when he gets suspended in December. Only Bruschi is a bigger douche.

[Thornton Melon 623]

No it isn't.. the public is a bunch of mouth breathing imbreds who don't know zhit and react to bs headlines without delving into it themselves. Hell most the talking heads didn't bother to read the report or rebuttal reports to figure it out...

I delved into it, read the reports and the rebuttals. The rebuttals can be rebutted. The Wells report, while not perfect, reached the correct conclusion.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I delved into it, read the reports and the rebuttals. The rebuttals can be rebutted. The Wells report, while not perfect, reached the correct conclusion.

Pats fans like saying there's nothing in the Wells report because they know most people didn't read it. There's plenty in there.

[Thornton Melon 623]

Pats fans like saying there's nothing in the Wells report because they know most people didn't read it. There's plenty in there.

I'm a Pats fan

[IGotWorms 4,059]

I delved into it, read the reports and the rebuttals. The rebuttals can be rebutted. The Wells report, while not perfect, reached the correct conclusion.

Of course the rebuttal can be rebutted. But the onus is on the Wells report and it fails badly in most areas. Without the texts it would be positively ridiculous

[Djgb13 2,339]

Of course the rebuttal can be rebutted. But the onus is on the Wells report and it fails badly in most areas. Without the texts it would be positively ridiculous

Thing is it has the texts though. However the texts weren't incriminating (such as being caught red handed). But those texts do make it look bad on Brady's part

[Thornton Melon 623]

Of course the rebuttal can be rebutted. But the onus is on the Wells report and it fails badly in most areas. Without the texts it would be positively ridiculous

 

The Wells report wasn’t ridiculous. It does have some flaws; that is correct. Without the texts, you could argue that it’s just a bunch of numbers that need deciphering. But, I’ll rebut the key rebuttals concerning the numbers:

 

Which gauge was used pre-game: Anderson said to the best of his recollection he used the Logo gauge, but that it was possible he used the non-Logo gauge. The Logo gauge read ~0.4 psi higher than the non-Logo gauge. He also said the Pat’s balls measured 12.5 psig, and the Colt’s 13.0 psig before game time. These are the values that the Pat’s and Colts have stated they target, using their own gauges. So, the Pat’s and Colts gauges both agreed with the gauge Anderson used before the game. During testing, the non-Logo gauge matched a brand new NIST-calibrated gauge within 0.07 psi, so it is the accurate gauge. It is highly unlikely that the Pat’s and Colt’s team gauges both just happened to be the same 0.4 psi off as the Logo gauge. It is much more likely that the Pat’s and Colts gauges were accurate, thus the non-Logo (lower reading) gauge was used. The Wells report was correct in this conclusion.

 

The timing of the halftime measurements: Yes, the Colt’s balls were measured later in halftime, and had more time to warm up. This is correct. However, as shown by the experimental testing done for the Wells report, during the time the Pat’s balls were tested, the pressure delta per time was on the steep part of the curve, i.e., the pressure measurements should have shown a noticeable increase from first ball measured to last ball. Instead, the readings are all over the place, and some of the lowest readings are the last few balls (ball #10 is the lowest of all the readings). The Pat’s balls differed more from the experimental curve than the Colt’s balls, some of them grossly so.

 

The intercepted ball: The ball that the Colts picked off in the first half measured ~11.5 psig average, which would be expected per the Ideal Gas Law based on the outside temp during the game. So, the argument is that the intercepted ball could not have been purposely deflated, and the odds that the Colts just happened to pick off the one Pats ball that wasn’t deflated would be 1 in 12. In reality, the picked off ball wasn’t the only one that wasn’t purposely deflated. Pat’s balls #1, 6 & 7 also weren’t deflated, looking by the halftime values. So, the odds that the Colts picked off a non-deflated ball were more like 1 in 3. The Wells report assumes all the Pats balls were deflated, which is wrong, but the fact that it’s wrong in this aspect actually bolsters its conclusion the Pats purposely deflated footballs prior to that game.

 

So, it may not hold up in a court of law, but that's not the goal here. As for Brady's penalty, 4 games is too much, but I still want to see 2. I want to see what Garropolo can do. Hell, we've been the best team over the last 15 years, we have nothing left to prove. Give Jimmy a shot.

[edjr 6,608]

Now reports are saying Brady will accept a reduced sentence.

[Mike Honcho 5,298]

Now reports are saying Brady will accept a reduced sentence.

So he didn't do the crime, but he's willing to accept the time? Right...GUILTY!!!!

[tanatastic 2,062]

All this hassle over a few games to kick back and relax? Doesnt Tom realize the courts ruling would change nothing and people think what they think already, its set in stone. All it would do is put him on the field for those games. Not worth the hassle and commitment to courts etc.

[edjr 6,608]

All this hassle over a few games to kick back and relax? Doesnt Tom realize the courts ruling would change nothing and people think what they think already, its set in stone. All it would do is put him on the field for those games. Not worth the hassle and commitment to courts etc.

 

Thanks coach

[DankNuggs 305]

All this hassle over a few games to kick back and relax? Doesnt Tom realize the courts ruling would change nothing and people think what they think already, its set in stone. All it would do is put him on the field for those games. Not worth the hassle and commitment to courts etc.

You forget they have the best team in football and winning back to back in all the mouth breathers faces will be epic

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Now reports are saying Brady will accept a reduced sentence.

Do you have a link? I haven't seen that anywhere (yet)

[tanatastic 2,062]

You forget they have the best team in football and winning back to back in all the mouth breathers faces will be epic

I credit the seahawks with winning that SB. Marshawn ran it, theres no other possible way it could have gone down. Carrol couldnt be dumb enough to throw it, could he?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

You forget they have the best team in football and winning back to back in all the mouth breathers faces will be epic

Losing Revis and Woolfork will have no affect.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I credit the seahawks with winning that SB. Marshawn ran it, theres no other possible way it could have gone down. Carrol couldnt be dumb enough to throw it, could he?

Can't credit them since marshawn didn't get it. Carrol did have Wilson throw it and it was an INT.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Can't credit them since marshawn didn't get it. Carrol did have Wilson throw it and it was an INT.

No way, couldnt have been. What if the ball gets popped up? What if he drops it? What if russel trips? Theres too much that can go wrong! You have 3 tries to punch it in with a run! Im gonna have to go back and watch it again. If I watch it enough times, he will run it, im sure of it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Now reports are saying Brady will accept a reduced sentence.

 

 

Of course he will.

He does not want this in court...just like Kraft didn't.

 

Pats fans still won't take this as any sign of real guilt...despite everything pointing that way.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Losing Revis and Woolfork will have no affect.

Revis, definitely.

 

Wilfork...I love the guy but he is definitely not what he once was.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

No way, couldnt have been. What if the ball gets popped up? What if he drops it? What if russel trips? Theres too much that can go wrong! You have 3 tries to punch it in with a run! Im gonna have to go back and watch it again. If I watch it enough times, he will run it, im sure of it.

Wait til he finally does run it...and fumbles

[Thornton Melon 623]

I credit the seahawks with winning that SB.

 

Go write a letter to the Seahawks organization. I'm sure they'll appreciate your sentiments.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Wait til he finally does run it...and fumbles

Honestly, if that happened id still say good job and they at least made the right call. Thats all you can do, shii happens. If he got stonewalled 3 times and turned over on downs, same thing, id say hawks gave it their best and nice try.

[Franknbeans 46]

I hope Goodell doesn't reduce it. Suck it, Tom.