Tom Brady will NOT accept a deal - No games or bust

[edjr 6,608]

why? all the other teams were doing it too... they just weren't winning...

 

 

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

why? all the other teams were doing it too... they just weren't winning...

 

All the other teams? You're just saying now.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

... and the Jets are probably STILL doing it... yet nobody cares...

[FeelingMN 273]

if the Patriots had never won, no one would give a sh1t about them.

 

HTH

That's usually how the bandwagon rolls.

[Herbivore 1,142]

 

One person, always makes a solid case.

 

Now please show us Laurence Maloney

 

I expect Ridley will fumble every time he touches the ball.

[NewbieJr 541]

why? all the other teams were doing it too... they just weren't winning...

 

LOLOLOL My all-time favorite cheater's answer.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

Which has to do with Goodells incompetence. Please try and keep up with the current conversation.

 

Incompetence...maybe.

More like a completely unrelated situation and you are just pissed he came down hard on your team for focking up.

[FeelingMN 273]

wh****y? all th****e oth****er tea******ms were doin****g it too... th****ey ju****s****t weren't winn****in****g

 

Hard to see what point you're trying to make with all the asterisks in the way.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

Really...what has he fawked up...

I'm so glad you asked.

 

Roger Goodell is the Anti-Christ. His pompous and arrogant behavior makes Donald Trump look like little orphan Annie. He wants to be the Judge, the Jury and the Executioner all while making it up as he goes along. He is a whooore to the whims and winds of what the fake outrage crowd happens to want that day. He sticks his thumb in the social media air, and rules accordingly. Earth Worms , dare I say even IGotWorms has more of a backbone than this clown.

 

Roger thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and it will bite him one day. He makes a rule, then immediately ignores the rule. He has set wild and crazy precedents that will follow him to his ultimate demise. The NFL is a football league, it is not some world moral authority. As my Mama says, "He's gotten to big for his britches". He doesn't follow normal business nor criminal guidelines as it pertains to checks and balances and being an impartial leader. He holds grudges and is simply a disgrace to leadership in any form.

 

Pete Rozell had it right. Here are some of his quotes from the late 70's and early 80's when he brought the NFL to prominence to where Roger is doing nothing but riding coattails.

Rather than saying that the commissioner is hired by the owners and therefore is subservient to them, you have to look at whether or not the players are getting a fair shake.

Squabbling in public will eventually ruin football; there's no doubt it's hurting us already.

 

My role is to run the NFL, not be a moralist, not to set social standards.

Roger Goodell and his 'make it up as we go' leadership style will bite him in the ass soon enough. And I cannot wait to bask in the glory.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

Not based on an editorial. On growing opinion. And not just my own, but plenty of others as well. He's not well liked by many. I think there are some nervous fans out there that hope their team doesn't have a scandal under this commissioner. And there will be plenty more scandals to come. It's the nature of the beast.

 

The league is making a ton of money. It's popular. But all of these scandals are tarnishing it's image in my opinion. And Goodell is not handling ANY of them well. There's a scandal around every corner. I think the league has a black eye from all of it. I think the owners are starting to look bad because of Goodell.

 

What's the first thing you think of when you hear Roger Goodell?

 

I don't think there is that much opinion on him being canned except from butthurt fans of teams like Patriots and Saints right now.

The owners love him...the ones who actually hire and pay him.

 

And Im still waiting for you to name all these things he supposed fawked up...since he did it to every aspect of the league.

 

Goodell...I think of a commish who takes the heat for the owners.

Don't think that much of him good or bad.

If he gets canned...it would not surprise me...the owners will find another puppet to do their bidding and people like you will find something to complain about with the new guy too.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

if the Patriots had never won, no one would give a sh1t about them.

 

HTH

 

Including their fans.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Ray Rice is over. We're on to Brady now.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I'm so glad you asked.

 

Roger Goodell is the Anti-Christ. His pompous and arrogant behavior makes Donald Trump look like little orphan Annie. He wants to be the Judge, the Jury and the Executioner all while making it up as he goes along. He is a whooore to the whims and winds of what the fake outrage crowd happens to want that day. He sticks his thumb in the social media air, and rules accordingly. Earth Worms and even IGotWorms have more of a backbone than this clown.

 

Roger thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and it will bite him one day. He makes a rule, then immediately ignores the rule. He has set wild and crazy precedents that will follow him to his ultimate demise. The NFL is a football league it is not some World moral authority. He doesn't follow normal business nor criminal guidelines as it pertains to checks and balances and being an impartial leader. He holds grudges and is simply a disgrace to leadership in any form.

 

Pete Rozell had it right. Here are some of his quotes from the late 70's and early 80's when he brought the NFL to where Roger is riding coattails.

 

 

 

 

 

Roger Goodell and his 'make it up as we go' leadership style will bite him in the ass soon enough. And I cannot wait to bask in the glory.

 

 

This make it up as we go line is complete crap.

Sorry...there cannot be a set rule for every little thing a player might do.

There just can't be.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

This make it up as we go line is complete crap.

Sorry...there cannot be a set rule for every little thing a player might do.

There just can't be.

Thye day Goodell became commissioner, he should have listed the punishment for a QB telling the ball boys to wait until after the refs measure air pressure, then sneak them into a bathroom and let out air. Then refuse to cooperate with the investigation. Oh yeah, and a repeat offender.

 

Come on Roger!!! Where was your head!!!?????!!!

[BunnysBastatrds 2,460]

So the league is starting to look bad because of Goodell? And not because of teams offering bounties to injure opposing players? Or teams cheating? LOLOL Listen to yourself. You sound ridiculous.

 

 

The league is starting to look bad because of all the negative attention it's getting. It's handling just about every scandal and problem in a court of public opinion, not in house. I'm certain there are owners who would rather some of these problems that can be handled quietly, be done quitely. Goodell see's it differently. Our business is everybody's business.

 

I think what Goodell fails to recognize is that he's not just punishing the teams organization and owners by his actions, he's punishing the fans more.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Sorry...there cannot be a set rule for every little thing a player might do.

 

they got a set of rules for drug use

they got a set of rules for beating up women

they got a set of rules for PEDs

they got a set of rules child abuse

 

but they don't got a set of rules for PEE ESS EYES... so, if if someone may or may not have underinflated a ball, we'll punish them worse than all those other things... and lie to the media to get everyone thinking the commish is redeemed and the bestest commish eva'!

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

they got a set of rules for drug use

they got a set of rules for beating up women

they got a set of rules for PEDs

they got a set of rules child abuse

 

but they don't got a set of rules for PEE ESS EYES... so, if if someone may or may not have underinflated a ball, we'll punish them worse than all those other things... and lie to the media to get everyone thinking I'm redeemed and the bestest commish eva'!

The NFL has always taken messing with the integrity of the game much more serious than off field transgressions. Look up Alex Karras and Paul Hornung. Hornung was the golden boy too, and he got way more than CryBrady.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

they got a set of rules for drug use

they got a set of rules for beating up women

they got a set of rules for PEDs

they got a set of rules child abuse

 

but they don't got a set of rules for PEE ESS EYES... so, if if someone may or may not have underinflated a ball, we'll punish them worse than all those other things... and lie to the media to get everyone thinking the commish is redeemed and the bestest commish eva'!

 

Beating up women one came up when there was a problem.

But they actually did have a rule for not altering equipment...which is what the Pats were accused of.

And they did not punish them worse for those things. Brady got the same as a PED suspension.

 

Nobody is calling him the best commish ever.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The NFL has always taken messing with the integrity of the game much more serious than off field transgressions. Look up Alex Karras and Paul Hornung. Hornung was the golden boy too, and he got way more than CryBrady.

 

Yes he did.

And comparing off the field stuff vs. integrity stuff is dumb.

 

Killing someone while drunk driving is worse than betting on your sport.

Yet Pete Rose can't really be around baseball.

[FeelingMN 273]

The league is starting to look bad because of all the negative attention it's getting. It's handling just about every scandal and problem in a court of public opinion, not in house. I'm certain there are owners who would rather some of these problems that can be handled quietly, be done quitely. Goodell see's it differently. Our business is everybody's business.

 

I think what Goodell fails to recognize is that he's not just punishing the teams organization and owners by his actions, he's punishing the fans more.

How is he punishing fans? You're gonna watch football this year. Everyone in this thread is gonna watch football. My sons are gonna watch football. I don't feel punished at all. Sundays during the fall are awesome.

 

And I've never liked Goodell. Ever.

[KSB2424 3,148]

How is he punishing fans? You're gonna watch football this year. Everyone in this thread is gonna watch football. My sons are gonna watch football. I don't feel punished at all. Sundays during the fall are awesome.

 

And I've never liked Goodell. Ever.

 

I agree with everything you just said.

 

But I think, and I don't want to speak for Bunny, but I think him being a Saints fan and their head coach being suspended a full year and that season becoming a losing season as a result sort of hurt the Saints fans that year too.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

The league is starting to look bad because of all the negative attention it's getting. It's handling just about every scandal and problem in a court of public opinion, not in house. I'm certain there are owners who would rather some of these problems that can be handled quietly, be done quitely. Goodell see's it differently. Our business is everybody's business.

 

I think what Goodell fails to recognize is that he's not just punishing the teams organization and owners by his actions, he's punishing the fans more.

He's trying to clean up the game. As he should. He came down hard on the Saints because they were purposely trying to injure players at a time when the league's handling of injuries was coming into question. He's hammering the Pats because they obviously didn't get the message the first time they were caught cheating. His job isn't an enviable one. He is guaranteed to anger people with every ruling he makes.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

they got a set of rules for drug use

they got a set of rules for beating up women

they got a set of rules for PEDs

they got a set of rules child abuse

 

but they don't got a set of rules for PEE ESS EYES... so, if if someone may or may not have underinflated a ball, we'll punish them worse than all those other things... and lie to the media to get everyone thinking the commish is redeemed and the bestest commish eva'!

Tampering with the air pressure after the referees inspection should absolutely be punished more than beating up a woman or smoking weed. That doesn't effect the outcome of games.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I agree with everything you just said.

 

But I think, and I don't want to speak for Bunny, but I think him being a Saints fan and their head coach being suspended a full year and that season becoming a losing season as a result sort of hurt the Saints fans that year too.

 

Then when the league tells you to stop doing something...and you don't stop.

You get punished.

It keeps people from doing it again.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Tampering with the air pressure after the referees inspection should absolutely be punished more than beating up a woman

 

 

man, the headlines that could be made if the NFL leaked this...

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

man, the headlines that could be made if the NFL leaked this...

Women beating should be handled by the law. Because it's illegal. I also agree that players should be fined and suspended for it. But as far as the affect it has on games? ZERO.

Shenanigans that affect the games should be dealt with much more severely. The fact that I'm even having to explain that to you tells me how bright you are.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,460]

Thye day Goodell became commissioner, he should have listed the punishment for a QB telling the ball boys to wait until after the refs measure air pressure, then sneak them into a bathroom and let out air. Then refuse to cooperate with the investigation. Oh yeah, and a repeat offender.

 

Come on Roger!!! Where was your head!!!?????!!!

 

 

There was a rule in place. $25,000 fine. Donkey Scrotum Licker threw in a four game suspension on his own even though there was no mention of game suspensions.

 

. And you keep saying repeat offender. I wasn't aware that BRADY was the one filming other teams. If that was the case, Belichick should have gotten the suspension?

[edjr 6,608]

Women beating should be handled by the law. Because it's illegal. I also agree that players should be fined and suspended for it. But as far as the affect it has on games? ZERO.

Shenanigans that affect the games should be dealt with much more severely. The fact that I'm even having to explain that to you tells me how bright you are.

 

Cheating is however legal. Ask the IRS

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

There was a rule in place. $25,000 fine. Donkey Scrotum Licker threw in a four game suspension on his own even though there was no mention of game suspensions.

 

. And you keep saying repeat offender. I wasn't aware that BRADY was the one filming other teams. If that was the case, Belichick should have gotten the suspension?

this wasn't a matter of spikes being too long. That's 25 grand. Or any personal equipment. It's the ball. And the fact that it was thought out in a way where it was snuck into a bathroom after the officials checked the apt pressure, takes it to a whole different level. Plus the fact that it was done by the most crooked organization in all of sports, is why this is so severe.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

There was a rule in place. $25,000 fine. Donkey Scrotum Licker threw in a four game suspension on his own even though there was no mention of game suspensions.

 

. And you keep saying repeat offender. I wasn't aware that BRADY was the one filming other teams. If that was the case, Belichick should have gotten the suspension?

That was the minimum punishment

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Tomlin was fined 100k for interfering.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,460]

How is he punishing fans? You're gonna watch football this year. Everyone in this thread is gonna watch football. My sons are gonna watch football. I don't feel punished at all. Sundays during the fall are awesome.

 

And I've never liked Goodell. Ever.

 

 

The year Payton was suspended is what I'm referring to. As a season ticket holder, I got fawked/punished. When your Super Bowl winning head coach gets tossed for a year and your GM gets suspended half a year, your year is shot. When your MVP Super Bowl winning QB doesn't have his coach on the sidelines and in the locker room, the year is shot. We also lost two second round picks. Our team was in their prime. The year before we were one play away from beating SF and hosting the Giants in the NFC Championship game. We gutted them at home earlier that year. We were rolling.

 

I watched the games that year. I watched them struggle. I watched them miss the playoffs. I felt cheated. As a die hard fan, I was punished also.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

The year Payton was suspended is what I'm referring to. As a season ticket holder, I got fawked/punished. When your Super Bowl winning head coach gets tossed for a year and your GM gets suspended half a year, your year is shot. When your MVP Super Bowl winning QB doesn't have his coach on the sidelines and in the locker room, the year is shot. We also lost two second round picks. Our team was in their prime. The year before we were one play away from beating SF and hosting the Giants in the NFC Championship game. We gutted them at home earlier that year. We were rolling.

 

I watched the games that year. I watched them struggle. I watched them miss the playoffs. I felt cheated. As a die hard fan, I was punished also.

let me ask you a question. Were you at all pissed off at your team? At your coaches? I understand homerism. I really do. But are yiu totally fine with what the saints did? And why such hatred toward the punisher and none towards the scumbags trying injure other players?

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

I expect Ridley will fumble every time he touches the ball.

Remember how Ridley got benched a lot in New England, to the frustration of many fantasy owners?

 

Remember what he got benched for?

 

Oh yeah....fumbling!!!

 

But I'm sure Belichick's zero tolerance policy has nothing to do with the Patriots' low fumbling rates

[DankNuggs 305]

Right, so he destroyed the phone. And maybe they wanted texts to other Patriot employees, like the head coach and the owner? I think what's going on here is a cover up, but it's not like you think. We only know what the NFL told us. The way this has played out, especially with Wells' insistance that Brady is guilty, and Kraft backing down so fast after he grandstanded at the super bowl about apologies and all that, there is more here than meets the eye, and I would wager it's not good for the Patriots.

Believe Belicheck gave up his phone.

[RLLD 4,254]

 

if the Patriots had never won, no one would give a sh1t about them.

 

HTH

Keep telling yourself that if it helps.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,460]

let me ask you a question. Were you at all pissed off at your team? At your coaches? I understand homerism. I really do. But are yiu totally fine with what the saints did? And why such hatred toward the punisher and none towards the scumbags trying injure other players?

 

 

 

Despite the media outcry, an independent study speculated that Saints' players may have pretended to participate off the field but not put the tactics into action on the field. "If the Saints tended to injure more players, then teams that played them would tend to list more injuries the following week. To test whether the Saints injured more players than a typical team, one need only compare the number of players added to injury reports after a Saints game to the league-wide average. Did the New Orleans Saints injure more players? The data-driven answer is a resounding "no." The Saints appear to have injured far fewer players over the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons. The numbers are striking."

 

 

 

Steve Young went on ESPN and said that any player who was hurt during a Saints game from 2009-2011would have a case against them and should sue them. You know how many did? Zero. You know why? It didn't happen.

 

Jonathan Vilma went before a federal judge and testified that it didn't happen, under oath, knowing he would go to jail if he perjured himself. He denied all of it. The judge threw out his suspension. And last time I checked, Vilma is working for the NFL Channel.

 

If Payton would have ordered players to intentionally hurt other players that could end their careers or season and their was proof, I wouldn't want him as my coach. I played football. I played 100% from the first tick of the clock till the last. I hit you as hard as I fawking could. But I never went after a knee or a head. I respected the guy I was hitting even though I hated him for four quarters.

[parrot 789]

[wormsedjrdankparrot] Belichick's superior coaching [wormsedjrdanparrot]

 

Certain teams place a premium on ball security. I'm sorry if you don't understand that.

 

It was really neat how that guy's "statistical analysis" had the "Patriots" and the "Rest of the league". This is so you can never compare apples to apples unless you want to do you own legwork. I already pointed out that during the portion of Sharp's self-selected timeline where you can match up Peyton's Colts with Brady's Patriots, the Colts were better both in total fumbles and per play percentage. In 6 years with the Colts, and almost 1300 touches, Joseph Addai fumbled 7 times. In 5 years with the Colts, and almost 650 touches, Donald Brown fumbled twice. TWICE. Oh and by the way, the QB with the best fumble rate from 2007-2014? Peyton Manning.

 

So somehow, even thought what the Patriots did was "impossible" the Colts actually improved on it while they were together.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

 

Despite the media outcry, an independent study speculated that Saints' players may have pretended to participate off the field but not put the tactics into action on the field. "If the Saints tended to injure more players, then teams that played them would tend to list more injuries the following week. To test whether the Saints injured more players than a typical team, one need only compare the number of players added to injury reports after a Saints game to the league-wide average. Did the New Orleans Saints injure more players? The data-driven answer is a resounding "no." The Saints appear to have injured far fewer players over the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons. The numbers are striking."

 

 

 

Steve Young went on ESPN and said that any player who was hurt during a Saints game from 2009-2011would have a case against them and should sue them. You know how many did? Zero. You know why? It didn't happen.

 

Jonathan Vilma went before a federal judge and testified that it didn't happen, under oath, knowing he would go to jail if he perjured himself. He denied all of it. The judge threw out his suspension. And last time I checked, Vilma is working for the NFL Channel.

 

If Payton would have ordered players to intentionally hurt other players that could end their careers or season and their was proof, I wouldn't want him as my coach. I played football. I played 100% from the first tick of the clock till the last. I hit you as hard as I fawking could. But I never went after a knee or a head. I respected the guy I was hitting even though I hated him for four quarters.

So you never heard the tape of Greg Williams telling his defense to try to blow out Crabtree's knee?

[Sho Nuff 720]

So you never heard the tape of Greg Williams telling his defense to try to blow out Crabtree's knee?

 

Doesn't matter to him.

 

BTW...several teams have had "bounty" programs.

Packers had one to keep Peterson under 100 yards. League learned about it...said to stop.

They stopped.

NO was told to stop...they kept doing it. Just focking stupid....and then whine when they get punished for not listening.