Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[edjr 6,580]

I think everyone in the league does steroids. Except quarterbacks, punters, and kickers. So yes...even

 

HA HA HA HA

[NewbieJr 541]

 

HA HA HA HA

New rule: NFL players do steroids, so feel free to ignore the entire rule book. Bwahahahaha Edjr took his retard pills today

[Djgb13 2,339]

This thread took a turn. Was hoping to see an update about the case. Instead we are now allowing NFL players to do steroids? Lol this is hilarious

[NewbieJr 541]

This thread took a turn. Was hoping to see an update about the case. Instead we are now allowing NFL players to do steroids? Lol this is hilarious

You forgot the part about the league conspiracy to break up the mighty Patriots.

[KSB2424 3,148]

This has nothing to do with Deflategate.....

 

Patriot Fan is the worst. I think it's because for decades their teams never won. Patriots were a bottom feeder, Red Sox had the curse of the Bambino and felt inferior to the Yankees for decades.

 

Then the damn finally broke, and Boston fan was on top of the world. Well, they handled success poorly. They got cocky and annoying. More so than other fan bases.

 

It's akin to a poor person who wins the lottery, then doesn't know how to act. They buy flashy and gaughty things and rubs it in others faces acting like a jack-ass. Because they've never had money before.

 

That's Pat Fan.

[NewbieJr 541]

This has nothing to do with Deflategate.....

 

Patriot Fan is the worst. I think it's because for decades their teams never won. Patriots were a bottom feeder, Red Sox had the curse of the Bambino and felt inferior to the Yankees for decades.

 

Then the damn finally broke, and Boston fan was on top of the world. Well, they handled success poorly. They got cocky and annoying. More so than other fan bases.

 

It's akin to a poor person who wins the lottery, then doesn't know how to act. They buy flashy and gaughty things and rubs it in others faces acting like a jack-ass. Because they've never had money before.

 

That's Pat Fan.

Add to that the fact that the clock is ticking fast and brady is getting old. It's almost over. Belichick wasn't a genius until Mo Lewis knocked Bledsoe out. Spygate casted a doubt on the early 2000's championship. And now Brady's cheating has everyone questioning the valididty of this one. These clowns are losing their mind. They get a once in a lifetime QB and have nothing legitimate to show for it. And all they hear is tick tick tick....

[porkbutt 893]

This has nothing to do with Deflategate.....

 

Patriot Fan is the worst. I think it's because for decades their teams never won. Patriots were a bottom feeder, Red Sox had the curse of the Bambino and felt inferior to the Yankees for decades.

 

Then the damn finally broke, and Boston fan was on top of the world. Well, they handled success poorly. They got cocky and annoying. More so than other fan bases.

 

It's akin to a poor person who wins the lottery, then doesn't know how to act. They buy flashy and gaughty things and rubs it in others faces acting like a jack-ass. Because they've never had money before.

 

That's Pat Fan.

somewhere drobeski's headneck is about to exploderate

[TD Ryan2 316]

wow - getting to 20 pages! Holy Haids-Sploded!

Pats haters are off-the-rails.... this just makes all Patriots' winning all that much sweeter - SuperBowl is looking promising again this year.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

wow - getting to 20 pages! Holy Haids-Sploded!

Pats haters are off-the-rails.... this just makes all Patriots' winning all that much sweeter - SuperBowl is looking promising again this year.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

Patriot haters are soaking all of this up. Two draft picks. Brady suspended. Once again in the news as a cheating organization. It's a dream come true for everyone except Patholes.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Stop being obtuse. The Patriots are one of less than a handful of teams that are a virtual lock to contend deep into the playoffs every year. Not the only one, but one of a few. Are you really going to pretend that other teams aren't please when those team have extra obstacles placed in their way?

 

Sure they are...but cherry picking 15 years now to leave out that they went 10 years in between is where I laugh.

Like the foolish post earlier that they were some 20 year dynasty.

 

Sure, other teams are pleased...but we are talking about Goodell's motivation to take down Brady...there was no good reason to just decide to do such a thing...so the whole tinfoil hat "the NFL was out to get us" crap is bogus.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This has nothing to do with Deflategate.....

 

Patriot Fan is the worst. I think it's because for decades their teams never won. Patriots were a bottom feeder, Red Sox had the curse of the Bambino and felt inferior to the Yankees for decades.

 

Then the damn finally broke, and Boston fan was on top of the world. Well, they handled success poorly. They got cocky and annoying. More so than other fan bases.

 

It's akin to a poor person who wins the lottery, then doesn't know how to act. They buy flashy and gaughty things and rubs it in others faces acting like a jack-ass. Because they've never had money before.

 

That's Pat Fan.

 

And no bigger symbol of that than Bill Simmons.

Great writer back before all the winning. He was quick, witty, funny...then became exactly what he had mocked in Yankee fan...plus he is now a whiny little biotch.

Its hilarious how so many of them have done the exact same thing.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

And no bigger symbol of that than Bill Simmons.

Great writer back before all the winning. He was quick, witty, funny...then became exactly what he had mocked in Yankee fan...plus he is now a whiny little biotch.

Its hilarious how so many of them have done the exact same thing.

Ever listen to that Evan guy who's on Mad Dog Radio in the morning? Lol Talk about a whiny Patriots fan. He's been having a breakdown since this whole thing started. I can't even listen to him. It's like Drobeski, Worms, Edjr, and TD Ryan rolled into one blind homer. Excruciatingly hard to listen to. Absolutely zero objectivity.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I think the NFL has gotten too big for even ESPN to cover this story like they did when the patriots were first accused of cheating. That was all you would see them talking about on ESPN for two straight weeks. Now that it has gone to court and the NFL as well as Goodell are looking stupid ESPN has yet to even mention it. The only thing I have seen so far in our break room was a small scrolling sentence at the bottom of the screen. That's it. It's quite pathetic how ESPN can't, or won't I'm not sure of their situation, talk about how bad the NFL and Roger Goodell are looking in this. Maybe ESPN isn't covering it because if they said something bad about the NFL or Goodell they would stop getting those TNF games. Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge that the NFL is looking bad with this whole investigation and punishment. Who knows. But what we do know is that they seem to refuse to cover it like the big deal it was before the super bowl

[parrot 789]

 

Sure they are...but cherry picking 15 years now to leave out that they went 10 years in between is where I laugh.

 

 

True. They hadn't played in a Super Bowl for two whole seasons prior to last season, and they went three whole seasons before that. And they've only played in 6 of the last 10 Conference Championsips, including the last 4 in a row. Total non-factors for those ten years.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I think the NFL has gotten too big for even ESPN to cover this story like they did when the patriots were first accused of cheating. That was all you would see them talking about on ESPN for two straight weeks. Now that it has gone to court and the NFL as well as Goodell are looking stupid ESPN has yet to even mention it. The only thing I have seen so far in our break room was a small scrolling sentence at the bottom of the screen. That's it. It's quite pathetic how ESPN can't, or won't I'm not sure of their situation, talk about how bad the NFL and Roger Goodell are looking in this. Maybe ESPN isn't covering it because if they said something bad about the NFL or Goodell they would stop getting those TNF games. Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge that the NFL is looking bad with this whole investigation and punishment. Who knows. But what we do know is that they seem to refuse to cover it like the big deal it was before the super bowl

ESPN doesn't have the Thursday night games. And the NFL will selll the games to whoever pays the most. You guys are getting dumber every day.

[Djgb13 2,339]

ESPN doesn't have the Thursday night games. And the NFL will selll the games to whoever pays the most. You guys are getting dumber every day.

Was it MNF then? I don't know honestly cause I never paid much attention to that detail. But come on. Even you cannot deny that ESPN has been eerily silent over this whole thing

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

True. They hadn't played in a Super Bowl for two whole seasons prior to last year, and they went three whole seasons before that. And they've only played in 6 of the last 10 Conference Championsips, including the last 4 in a row. Total non-factors for those ten years.

it's absurd that you even have to type this out... 15 YEARS... for 15 YEARS, they've been a juggernaut in the NFL and they are favorites to win again going into this year. Excellence unmatched in this era.

And every off-season, for 15 YEARS, the Newbies have pointed to some headline as the reason the New England run is over.... every off-season, closing his eyes, and clicking his heels, "there's no more superbowls for new england... there's no more superbowls for new england"... eventually he'll be right... but at minimum it's 15 straight years of being wrong.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Was it MNF then? I don't know honestly cause I never paid much attention to that detail. But come on. Even you cannot deny that ESPN has been eerily silent over this whole thing

I wouldn't know. I don't watch ESPN anymore. Just like I don't watch cartoons anymore either.

[NewbieJr 541]

The judge asked brady if it's his assertion that Yastremski and McNally let the air out of the balls on their own without being told by anyone else. Brady said yes. Lol

This tells us that they are not fighting the fact that air was let out after the inspection. So all you gas experts can retire your theories. It also tells us that Brady expects us to believe the ball boys had some reason they wanted to do this. Lol. Think about that a while.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think the NFL has gotten too big for even ESPN to cover this story like they did when the patriots were first accused of cheating. That was all you would see them talking about on ESPN for two straight weeks. Now that it has gone to court and the NFL as well as Goodell are looking stupid ESPN has yet to even mention it. The only thing I have seen so far in our break room was a small scrolling sentence at the bottom of the screen. That's it. It's quite pathetic how ESPN can't, or won't I'm not sure of their situation, talk about how bad the NFL and Roger Goodell are looking in this. Maybe ESPN isn't covering it because if they said something bad about the NFL or Goodell they would stop getting those TNF games. Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge that the NFL is looking bad with this whole investigation and punishment. Who knows. But what we do know is that they seem to refuse to cover it like the big deal it was before the super bowl

 

Every radio show they have has been filled with NFL and deflategate talk.

Though...there was not even much news out today...so what do you want them to say?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

True. They hadn't played in a Super Bowl for two whole seasons prior to last season, and they went three whole seasons before that. And they've only played in 6 of the last 10 Conference Championsips, including the last 4 in a row. Total non-factors for those ten years.

 

Played in vs. won it.

I never claimed they were non-factors.

HTH

Very good team...great at times. But overall...I don't think they are some great all time team.

[Sho Nuff 720]

it's absurd that you even have to type this out... 15 YEARS... for 15 YEARS, they've been a juggernaut in the NFL and they are favorites to win again going into this year. Excellence unmatched in this era.

And every off-season, for 15 YEARS, the Newbies have pointed to some headline as the reason the New England run is over.... every off-season, closing his eyes, and clicking his heels, "there's no more superbowls for new england... there's no more superbowls for new england"... eventually he'll be right... but at minimum it's 15 straight years of being wrong.

 

Packers or Seahawks seem to be the favorite at nearly every sports book right now.

 

Being a perennial playoff team and winning one in 10 years does not make them a dynasty for that time period.

HTH

[cbfalcon 825]

The judge asked brady if it's his assertion that Yastremski and McNally let the air out of the balls on their own without being told by anyone else. Brady said yes. Lol

This tells us that they are not fighting the fact that air was let out after the inspection. So all you gas experts can retire your theories. It also tells us that Brady expects us to believe the ball boys had some reason they wanted to do this. Lol. Think about that a while.

 

Didn't you craft a statement earlier today that Brady should have made in January stating that they let air out of the balls without being told? And you said if he'd done that, this situation is but a minor one?......But when he does that, you say BS......

 

It's almost as if once you heard the accusation, there was nothing in the world that could make you believe he was anything but super guilty.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Didn't you craft a statement earlier today that Brady should have made in January stating that they let air out of the balls without being told? And you said if he'd done that, this situation is but a minor one?......But when he does that, you say BS......

 

It's almost as if once you heard the accusation, there was nothing in the world that could make you believe he was anything but super guilty.

 

Yes...now after everything else...it sounds BS doesn't it?

Do you not see the difference between doing it then...taking care of it and getting it over with...and how things were handled and just saying this now?

 

Its almost as if you believe everything the guy says...not matter how stupid some of it is.

[Kanil 520]

I think the NFL has gotten too big for even ESPN to cover this story like they did when the patriots were first accused of cheating. That was all you would see them talking about on ESPN for two straight weeks. Now that it has gone to court and the NFL as well as Goodell are looking stupid ESPN has yet to even mention it. The only thing I have seen so far in our break room was a small scrolling sentence at the bottom of the screen. That's it. It's quite pathetic how ESPN can't, or won't I'm not sure of their situation, talk about how bad the NFL and Roger Goodell are looking in this. Maybe ESPN isn't covering it because if they said something bad about the NFL or Goodell they would stop getting those TNF games. Or maybe they refuse to acknowledge that the NFL is looking bad with this whole investigation and punishment. Who knows. But what we do know is that they seem to refuse to cover it like the big deal it was before the super bowl

 

ESPN has been caught before not wanting to talk bad about the NFL. This is not surprising. ESPN is garbage if you're looking for anything other than highlights.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

Yes...now after everything else...it sounds BS doesn't it?

Do you not see the difference between doing it then...taking care of it and getting it over with...and how things were handled and just saying this now?

 

Its almost as if you believe everything the guy says...not matter how stupid some of it is.

 

Newbie would have laughed and claimed any statement was BS whenever it was given. You as well. Hell, if he'd admitted he did it, you guys would think he must be covering up something worse.

 

As for my opinion? I am undecided on all of it....Some of Brady's side's statements seem iffy, and some make obvious sense...............But the league has been caught lying multiple times, yet you accept the results that they say those lies prove as indisputable fact. It's surreal.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Didn't you craft a statement earlier today that Brady should have made in January stating that they let air out of the balls without being told? And you said if he'd done that, this situation is but a minor one?......But when he does that, you say BS......

 

It's almost as if once you heard the accusation, there was nothing in the world that could make you believe he was anything but super guilty.

yes i did. I also centered it around brady taking the blame for it. Something he's never once done. Now he's blatantly throwing the ball boys under the bus and pretending they'd have some motive to want to deflate the balls. Lol. What a scumbag.

[parrot 789]

The judge asked brady if it's his assertion that Yastremski and McNally let the air out of the balls on their own without being told by anyone else. Brady said yes. Lol

This tells us that they are not fighting the fact that air was let out after the inspection. So all you gas experts can retire your theories. It also tells us that Brady expects us to believe the ball boys had some reason they wanted to do this. Lol. Think about that a while.

 

Do you have a link to this?

[cbfalcon 825]

Now he's blatantly throwing the ball boys under the bus and pretending they'd have some motive to want to deflate the balls. Lol. What a scumbag.

 

Umm...you wrote a perfectly plausible motive. Now you are laughing at the idea of them having a motive?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Do you have a link to this?

Are you saying that Jastremski and McNally were freelancing when they deflated the balls? Berman replied

 

That is our position, Your Honor, the lawyer said.

 

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/tom-brady-roger-goodell-take-deflategate-showdown-to-court/

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Newbie would have laughed and claimed any statement was BS whenever it was given. You as well. Hell, if he'd admitted he did it, you guys would think he must be covering up something worse.

 

As for my opinion? I am undecided on all of it....Some of Brady's side's statements seem iffy, and some make obvious sense...............But the league has been caught lying multiple times, yet you accept the results that they say those lies prove as indisputable fact. It's surreal.

 

I may have disagreed (because its absurd to think two ball boys took things into their own hands without someone higher up having knowledge)...but this is more about how the NFL would have treated it. Very likely they slap on the wrist with such an explanation.

 

You are so undecided on it that you have defended all things Brady and Pats and blasted the NFL.

BTW...Brady has been caught lying as well...but you don't seem to understand that.

What results have I accepted that have been proven lies?

The balls were deflate below limits.

There is enough there to show the ball boy(s) likely did it after inspection.

Logic, plus the actions by the team and Brady lead me to believe he had direct knowledge of it.

 

Care to show which of those are "lies"?

[parrot 789]

Are you saying that Jastremski and McNally were freelancing when they deflated the balls? Berman replied

 

That is our position, Your Honor, the lawyer said.

 

http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/tom-brady-roger-goodell-take-deflategate-showdown-to-court/

Did someone say "cherry pick"?

 

 

 

“We don’t believe there is evidence of such deflation,’ Kessler replied, but “assuming such deflation occurred,

it’s conceivable that Mr. McNally thought that it was something that would be good for his quarterback. But it is a large leap from that to Mr. Brady asking him to do it or directing him to do it.”

 

“Are you saying that Jastremski and McNally were freelancing when they deflated the balls?” Berman replied

 

“That is our position, Your Honor,” the lawyer said.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Notice...they did not deny deflation...just that they don't believe there is evidence of it. But then try to give a reason for something they don't believe happened?

 

And when asked if they were freelancing when they deflated balls...they said "yes".

Oof...anyone thinking that was a good exchange for Brady and the Pats is pretty blind there.

[cbfalcon 825]

Notice...they did not deny deflation...just that they don't believe there is evidence of it. But then try to give a reason for something they don't believe happened?

 

And when asked if they were freelancing when they deflated balls...they said "yes".

Oof...anyone thinking that was a good exchange for Brady and the Pats is pretty blind there.

 

Huh? Saying "If the balls were in fact deflated, NO there weren't freelancing" would have been much worse in my opinion.

[parrot 789]

 

Packers or Seahawks seem to be the favorite at nearly every sports book right now.

 

So are they going to have those two play a game, or just flip a coin for the Lombardi?

 

Also, when was the last time the preseason odds favorite who the Super Bowl?

[parrot 789]

Notice...they did not deny deflation...just that they don't believe there is evidence of it. But then try to give a reason for something they don't believe happened?

 

And when asked if they were freelancing when they deflated balls...they said "yes".

Oof...anyone thinking that was a good exchange for Brady and the Pats is pretty blind there.

 

He said "assuming" the balls were deflated intentionally- which they don't believe there is evidence for - it was "conceivable" that they had done it on their initiative. He never claimed that IS what happened - which would be an "assertion", btw - he just offered it as an alternative scenario to the one being forwarded by the league.

 

I didn't say it was good or bad for anyone, just stating that how Newbie portrayed it was not at all what Kessler was saying.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Huh? Saying "If the balls were in fact deflated, NO there weren't freelancing" would have been much worse in my opinion.

 

They basically admitted (with the follow up question) that the balls were deflated. They did not add their own "if they were" qualifier to it.

And would not deny it in the first question...just stated there was no evidence.

 

Was not a great exchange. Sure...it could have been worse...but still wasn't great.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So are they going to have those two play a game, or just flip a coin for the Lombardi?

 

Also, when was the last time the preseason odds favorite who the Super Bowl?

 

Your homer buddy claimed the Pats were the favorites...that does not seem to be the case anywhere.

[parrot 789]

 

They basically admitted (with the follow up question) that the balls were deflated. They did not add their own "if they were" qualifier to it.

And would not deny it in the first question...just stated there was no evidence.

 

 

Maybe they thought the judge was smart enough to understand that the qualifier from ten seconds before still stood.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

They basically admitted (with the follow up question) that the balls were deflated. They did not add their own "if they were" qualifier to it.

And would not deny it in the first question...just stated there was no evidence.

 

Was not a great exchange. Sure...it could have been worse...but still wasn't great.

 

When I read the NFLPA lawyer say "assuming such deflation occurred,", I decided to read the rest of the exchange as though we were assuming the deflation occurred.