Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[DankNuggs 305]

THE BUMS LOST!

[RLLD 4,230]

So now the nfl will appeal of course, what a sh!t show.

[edjr 6,580]

can we get back to talking about who won the past Super Bowl? it's about 6 months overdue.

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

THE BUMS LOST!

Do you hear me Lebowski?! The bums will always lose!!!

[KSB2424 3,148]

Exactly what 'punishment' form Goodell that went to another judge or arbitrator hasn't been reduced? I can't think of one.

 

Goodell and the NFL, the way they dictate and randomly use the Personal Conduct Policy based on public perceptions and the whims of the mobs was going to make them eventually look really really silly.

 

Hopefully now they wise up and do what most corporations, governments, hell most any entity does and have segregation of duties and clear laws and bylaws. Instead of Roger being "King".

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Congrats Pats fans. Now let's get this season started.

[KSB2424 3,148]

This doesn't change the fact that everybody knows Brady was in on deflating the footballs. What it does tell us is that the NFL picked him out and over stepped their bounds in the punishment. But we all know Tom was trying to get an edge, and, well, its not that big of a deal (akin to pumping in noise). It's a small(er) offense that Roger got pissy about and made into a shitshow.

 

I think 95% of America has been saying this for months.

[dain11279 976]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/639443750599561216/photo/1

[Cruzer 1,995]

One thing I have been unclear about - on what basis did Judge Berman say he had the authority to overturn the league's punishment in the first place? Seems like this opens up Pandora's box for every punishment handed down, by any league, from here on out.

[RLLD 4,230]

Valid

One thing I have been unclear about - on what basis did Judge Berman say he had the authority to overturn the league's punishment in the first place? Seems like this opens up Pandora's box for every punishment handed down, by any league, from here on out.

Valid observation, he did not really have the authority given this was a olle give bargaining situation, easily overturned at appeal

[edjr 6,580]

 

[edjr 6,580]

Now if the patriots could only win a Super Bowl post spygate.

[NewbieJr 541]

This doesn't change the fact that everybody knows Brady was in on deflating the footballs. What it does tell us is that the NFL picked him out and over stepped their bounds in the punishment. But we all know Tom was trying to get an edge, and, well, its not that big of a deal (akin to pumping in noise). It's a small(er) offense that Roger got pissy about and made into a shitshow.

 

I think 95% of America has been saying this for months.

Exactly. This was the judge penalizing the league for it's horrible investigation and press leaks. And now Brady was steal in my fantasy draft. Go Tom!

[RLLD 4,230]

Exactly. This was the judge penalizing the league for it's horrible investigation and press leaks. And now Brady was steal in my fantasy draft. Go Tom!

 

 

 

Same, though my intention is to trade him before the suspension is restored or goddess does his commission exempt thing

[cbfalcon 825]

One thing I have been unclear about - on what basis did Judge Berman say he had the authority to overturn the league's punishment in the first place? Seems like this opens up Pandora's box for every punishment handed down, by any league, from here on out.

 

"“The Award is premised upon several significant legal deficiencies, including (A) inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; ( denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and © denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes,” the filing read."

 

 

In short, the league can make whatever decision they want as long as they have a fair hearing. They didn't.

[edjr 6,580]

A LOT OF BUTT HURT UP IN HERE!!

 

I just texted drobeski.

That is how big this is

[ZeroTolerance 584]

Fockers had to announce this BEFORE my draft. I was going to take him in the 7/8 turn.

[NewbieJr 541]

Same, though my intention is to trade him before the suspension is restored or goddess does his commission exempt thing

HAs the NFL announced they are appealing? Because now I'll be on Brady's side. Enough is enough.

[parrot 789]

One thing I have been unclear about - on what basis did Judge Berman say he had the authority to overturn the league's punishment in the first place? Seems like this opens up Pandora's box for every punishment handed down, by any league, from here on out.

"Although judicial scrutiny of arbitration awards necessarily is limited, such review is

sufficient to ensure that arbitrators comply with the requirements of the statute at issue." Gilmer

v. Interstate/Johnson Lane Com., IllS. Ct. 1647, 1655 (1991) (quoting Shearson/Am. Express

Inc. v. McMahon, 107 S. Ct. 2332, 2340 (1987)). "The deference due an arbitrator does not

extend so far as to require a district court to countenance, much less confirm, an award obtained

without the requisites of fairness or due process." Kaplan v. Alfred Dunhill of London, Inc., No.

96 Civ. 259 (JFK), 1996 WL 640901, at *7 (S.D.N.Y. Nov. 4, 1996).

[cbfalcon 825]

I believe the stat was this court has only overturned an arbitration ruling 3 of 68 times in recent years...So the league wins this case 94% of the time. That backs up the thinking that the league was way way way way out of line for them to have lost

 

I'm obviously happy Brady won, because I believe in justice and good triumphing over evil.. But a part of me wishes the judge would have sided with the NFL, simply because he would have unloaded on the league before reluctantly doing so.

.........Instead, he rules properly. But that alone serves as the ripping of the league in his eyes, thus he doesn't feel the need to unload on them. And that sucks, because his opinions, if colorful enough, would generate headlines. And colorful headlines are what shapes the opinions of many, including a few people on this message board.

[Herbivore 1,134]

HAs the NFL announced they are appealing? Because now I'll be on Brady's side. Enough is enough.

 

Beat it.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

"Although judicial scrutiny of arbitration awards necessarily is limited, such review is

sufficient to ensure that arbitrators comply with the requirements of the statute at issue." Gilmer

v. Interstate/Johnson Lane Com., IllS. Ct. 1647, 1655 (1991) (quoting Shearson/Am. Express

Inc. v. McMahon, 107 S. Ct. 2332, 2340 (1987)). "The deference due an arbitrator does not

extend so far as to require a district court to countenance, much less confirm, an award obtained

without the requisites of fairness or due process." Kaplan v. Alfred Dunhill of London, Inc., No.

96 Civ. 259 (JFK), 1996 WL 640901, at *7 (S.D.N.Y. Nov. 4, 1996).

 

This is kind of the talk this morning in the Metroplex... Based this ruling, and Judge Berman's words - Hardy's case is just as much in line for this reasoning as Brady's. I'm wondering if his team is in full court press following this release.

[Djgb13 2,339]

And its sweeeeeeeeeeeeet sweeeeeeeeeeeeet sweet victory

[cbfalcon 825]

I haven't read this yet, but here is the written ruling. It looks like it's 40 pages.

 

http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2015/0903/BermanBradyRuling.pdf

[RLLD 4,230]

HAs the NFL announced they are appealing? Because now I'll be on Brady's side. Enough is enough.

 

Not yet. Prepare to hate Godell (on purpose) at an entirely new level. He is either going to throw in the towel, force an appeal, or use his powers to levy a ride for T*mmy on the commish exempt list. It will be rather interesting to see where it goes from here.

[vuduchile 1,945]

God bless 'murica.

[parrot 789]

 

Not yet. Prepare to hate Godell (on purpose) at an entirely new level. He is either going to throw in the towel, force an appeal, or use his powers to levy a ride for T*mmy on the commish exempt list. It will be rather interesting to see where it goes from here.

 

If it goes anywhere but quietly into that dark night, Goodell really is an incompetent fool. The judge gave him a pretty good b!tch-slappin' in that ruling.

[RLLD 4,230]

 

If it goes anywhere but quietly into that dark night, Goodell really is an incompetent fool. The judge gave him a pretty good b!tch-slappin' in that ruling.

 

Hardly. If the ruling were valid it would have been used in previous instances, the judge overstepped, the approach was collectively bargained. An appeal should reverse the ruling, but they might forsake that route for the more immediate act of the exempt list. Do we really think God-ell is likely to let it go now? I highly doubt it.

[edjr 6,580]

 

Hardly. If the ruling were valid it would have been used in previous instances, the judge overstepped, the approach was collectively bargained. An appeal should reverse the ruling, but they might forsake that route for the more immediate act of the exempt list. Do we really think God-ell is likely to let it go now? I highly doubt it.

not a chance.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Not yet. Prepare to hate Godell (on purpose) at an entirely new level. He is either going to throw in the towel, force an appeal, or use his powers to levy a ride for T*mmy on the commish exempt list. It will be rather interesting to see where it goes from here.

Not sure what it would accomplish at this point. Everyone who thought Brady was guilty, still thinks Brady is guilty. This ruling was about the league's abuse of power, terribly run investigation, and press leaks. At this point, even Brady/cheater-haters would be pissed at Goodell. All along, I though Brady was being a spoiled b1tch by not accepting the ruling and moving forward. The same will go for Goodell if he doesn't drop it now.

[KSB2424 3,148]

This is kind of the talk this morning in the Metroplex... Based this ruling, and Judge Berman's words - Hardy's case is just as much in line for this reasoning as Brady's. I'm wondering if his team is in full court press following this release.

 

This over-stepping and random punishment of Brady is NOT much different than the randomness and reckless punishment Goodell has done in the past based on his loose interpretation of the Personal Conduct Policy. Roger has zero idea how to run a business in this regard. I've been saying this for years...........

 

 

KSB2424', on 27 Jul 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

 

 

Goodell did come in and really ramp up the discilpline angle in the NFL. And to be fair, he is pretty much judge and jury. A one man dictatorrship isn't a stretch. There isn't really a rhyme or reason as to how he puts down punishments either. One guy gets a DUI and kills somebody and he's let back in the league the next year. A player can be charged (not convicted) of a crime and be automatically suspended. Guillty until proven innoncent. If Goodell is having a good day a player might get a slap on the wrist, if he's having a bad day he might throw the book at you. It seems very arbitrary.

 

Couple that with Goodell actually changing the rules mid-season (i.e. head shot) like he did last year. Hey, I'm all for safety and rule changes, but shouldn't you wait until AFTER the season to do those? That's like your fantasy football commish changing the scoring rules in week 6. I'd be pissed too.

 

 

 

 

Posted 19 November 2014 - 02:56 PM

 

 

The root cause issue of this goes back to the NFL and Roger Goodell are not equipped to handle stuff like this. He is a commish of a freaking football league. It's a sports league, why are they trying to be the moral compass of America above and beyond the criminal justice system in the first place? That's where they are getting in to trouble.

 

 

And why doesn't Roger Goodell appoint another person or a commitee to be the "disiplinary board" if you will. To handle criminal items that come up with its players and act by the rules that have been collectively bargained. That takes the commish out of trying to be the judge and the jury. Segregation of duties for crying out loud.

 

 

I really think Goodell is a control freak and its hurting his own image and credibility.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted 19 November 2014 - 03:58 PM

 

If I am a commish of a football league and run a multi billion dollar business I am not in the business of crime, morality or breaking of league rules and the like. A true leader in business knows when and where to delegate to the appropriate people or proper entity and who are the subject matter experts.

 

Roger Goodell being the judge, jury and executioner for discipline in the NFL is akin to Jerry Jones making all the decisions like superseding who to draft on draft day over the coaches, scouts, etc. for the Cowboys. It's a recipe for disaster and screams of megalomania. What good leaders do is know how to delegate to experts and segregate when needed to avoid conflict of interest. Roger does neither.

 

[edjr 6,580]

Not sure what it would accomplish at this point. Everyone who thought Brady was guilty, still thinks Brady is guilty. This ruling was about the league's abuse of power, terribly run investigation, and press leaks. At this point, even Brady/cheater-haters would be pissed at Goodell. All along, I though Brady was being a spoiled b1tch by not accepting the ruling and moving forward. The same will go for Goodell if he doesn't drop it now.

 

he should have accepted 4 games?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

If it goes anywhere but quietly into that dark night, Goodell really is an incompetent fool. The judge gave him a pretty good b!tch-slappin' in that ruling.

I agree. Short of a phone video emerging of Brady telling The Deflator what to do, zero would be accomplished by trying to keep this going.

[RLLD 4,230]

Not sure what it would accomplish at this point. Everyone who thought Brady was guilty, still thinks Brady is guilty. This ruling was about the league's abuse of power, terribly run investigation, and press leaks. At this point, even Brady/cheater-haters would be pissed at Goodell. All along, I though Brady was being a spoiled b1tch by not accepting the ruling and moving forward. The same will go for Goodell if he doesn't drop it now.

 

Agree. But you *we* are going to be more reasonable. Think of these guys and their position. Why did Br*dy not just admit and instead lie?; its an ego thing, and the same hold true for Godell. Why did Godell smash him with such a heavy hand, its an ego thing. Now you have Godell wielding power from his perch and not only did the Patriots thumb their nose at him, now an individual player has done so.

 

Never underestimate the impact of ego with powerful men.

[parrot 789]

 

Hardly. If the ruling were valid it would have been used in previous instances, the judge overstepped, the approach was collectively bargained. An appeal should reverse the ruling, but they might forsake that route for the more immediate act of the exempt list. Do we really think God-ell is likely to let it go now? I highly doubt it.

 

What ruling are you referring to? Goodell did not use the CBA mandated punishments for equipment violations, he used the Game Operations Manual, which is not even given to players. He also violated bedrock legal principles like fair discovery. The judge called his actions "fundamentally unfair". I almost hope they do decide to appeal this just to see just how much egg he can get on his face.

[cbfalcon 825]

This is funny. I'm reading the ruling and:

 

On May 22 requested all league documents concerning past incidents related to violations related to game day equipment, and all documents concerning past incidents of teams or players failing to cooperate. Anyone that's ever been involved in a legal case would consider this a standard.
That was on May 22nd......On June 22nd, Goodell denied the requests, citing an article in the CBA that parties are required to exchange all potential exhibits more than 3 days before the hearing. And the hearing was scheduled for June 23rd.

 

:clap: And people here wanted the league to win?

[mighty_thor 115]

As far as appeal goes, I think goodell waits on that. He'll wait to hear from the owners and I would think there is a chance they tell him to put this behind him.

[edjr 6,580]

BUTT HURT, BUTT HURT, ROLLIE POLLIE BUTT HURT

[edjr 6,580]

 

Five times in today's 40-page ruling, Judge Berman put quotation marks around “independent” in reference to Ted Wells’ investigation.

 

 

 

 

[cbfalcon 825]

Goodell didn't let Brady's team see interview notes taken by investigators because he says he didn't use the info in those notes in making his ruling.

 

So if you want to translate that.....Goodell only used the damning evidence to make his ruling, therefore the NFLPA could see that evidence, as it was relevant to the ruling......But any evidence that may have indicated Brady wasn't guilty was not used in the ruling, therefore the NFLPA had no right to view it.

 

:clap: And people here wanted the league to win?