The top 5 receivers as of now

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Brown, Beckham, Julio, Hopkins, and then it changes based on personal preference.

 

These were 4 of the top 5 last year right? B marsh was the other top 5 receiver? This is not going to be this years top 5. The guy I am avoiding is Hopkins. I like Green as a top 5 and really like the idea of him being featured again with the lack of pass game options.

 

The Bengals OC was Daltons QB coach so they do have history already.

 

Osweiler on the other hand... he only completed a dreadful 29% of his passes over 15 yards, and that's with D Thomas and Sanders as his receivers. A qb has to at least get the ball near his receiver so a play can be made. I just don't see how Hopkins remains top 5.

[rholio 339]

Brown, Beckham, Julio, Hopkins, and then it changes based on personal preference.

These were 4 of the top 5 last year right? B marsh was the other top 5 receiver? This is not going to be this years top 5. The guy I am avoiding is Hopkins. I like Green as a top 5 and really like the idea of him being featured again with the lack of pass game options.

The Bengals OC was Daltons QB coach so they do have history already.

Osweiler on the other hand... he only completed a dreadful 29% of his passes over 15 yards, and that's with D Thomas and Sanders as his receivers. A qb has to at least get the ball near his receiver so a play can be made. I just don't see how Hopkins remains top 5.

Might want a look at who was throwing to Hopkins last season.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Might want a look at who was throwing to Hopkins last season.

Seriously? No shlt. I thought it was Tom Brady.

 

For the record here, Hoyer completed 38% of his passes of 15 yards or longer.

 

As I said, there is no way last year's top 5 is this year's top 5. If you just copy last year's results and paste them into 2016 then you are making a big mistake. Never said he was a flat out undraftable bust, just that of the top 5 receivers he seems more likely to drop out.

 

Next time come with a better response

[SpenceToons 70]

The caution that the loss of Jackson as OC might negatively impact Green's numbers was made in the Cooper thread but since there's likely to be more discussion about Green in this thread, I'll drop a response here. Green's numbers took a slight hit under Jackson, as opposed to Gruden, as Hue put more of an emphasis on the run. Green finished as the WR4 in 2012-13 under Gruden, registering 18.86 and 19.13 PPR points-per-game respectively. He finished as the WR21 (Green missed 4 games in 2014) and WR8 in 2014-15 under Jackson, registering 17.45 and 17.28 PPR points-per-game. Zampese is a QB coach so the passing game is unlikely to get short-shrift.

 

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I picked Hopkins as the WR4 in the August Mock but began regretting it later that afternoon as I read Doug Orth's HOU summary included in the AFC/NFC South projections. A lot of Hopkins' blistering production came in the first half of 2015 as the Texans found themselves often trailing. Once the defense tightened up, less passes were thrown and Hopkins' numbers came back a little bit more down to earth. With HOU's 2016 schedule being favorable towards the run over the second half of the season, there may be less of an emphasis on the pass this year.

 

I like Green as a potential WR4 for 2016 and Brandon Marshall and Keenan Allen as challengers to Hopkins for the WR5 spot.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

AB, Julio, OBJ, AJG and Jeffery if he plays all 16 games. Jeffery is my huge wildcard pick since he's such an injury concern this year but if he stays healthy I think he has a monster year.

[jrokh 615]

I'll throw sammy watkins if he stays healthy in that ring

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

AB, Julio, OBJ, AJG and Jeffery if he plays all 16 games. Jeffery is my huge wildcard pick since he's such an injury concern this year but if he stays healthy I think he has a monster year.

That's the big if. Even in the third I am a bit hesitant. He already has soft tissue issues and that's where his injuries usually are. I know he played most games in his first two years, but he was also banged up a lot of the season

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

That's the big if. Even in the third I am a bit hesitant. He already has soft tissue issues and that's where his injuries usually are. I know he played most games in his first two years, but he was also banged up a lot of the season

 

Oh yeah, he's a major if but I know the talent is there. I also think the targets will be there.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

 

Oh yeah, he's a major if but I know the talent is there. I also think the targets will be there.

Oh yeah completely agree. I guess I have to take a shot in the third. If he is healthy he will be dominant.

[pee-diddy 27]

I could see Dez finishing in the top 5.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

I think Keenan Allen makes it into the top 5 this year. In the 8 games he played last year, he averaged 20.4 ppg which ranked a touch higher than Beckham's 20.0. If he stays healthy, I think he can definitely finish in the top 5.

 

There are no locks, but I think the two that come the closest to that are Brown and Beckham. Julio was top 5 last year, but I really can't see them throwing the ball to him 200 times again. With Miller there, I think Houston runs more effectively and will not have a need to throw as much... or want to throw as much with Osweiler. My guess is that Hopkins may not get about 200 targets again either. Could Jones and Hopkins be top 5? Absolutely, but of the group that was top 5 last year, I think those two may not make it back this year. I think Marshall finishes in the top 5 again because no matter what, that guy always seems produce.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Seriously? No shlt. I thought it was Tom Brady.

 

For the record here, Hoyer completed 38% of his passes of 15 yards or longer.

 

As I said, there is no way last year's top 5 is this year's top 5. If you just copy last year's results and paste them into 2016 then you are making a big mistake. Never said he was a flat out undraftable bust, just that of the top 5 receivers he seems more likely to drop out.

 

Next time come with a better response

I always like to point out Hopkins stats in the games where Hoyer didn't play... Plus Osweiler was in Denver taking over for a gimpy Peyton. If the offense was catered to noodle arm Peyton than how many deep attempts did he even have? Your stats seems a little skewed.

[Kent 228]

Might want a look at who was throwing to Hopkins last season.

Better QBs than his current one?

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I really like Allen Robinson. Jaguars offense seems to be on the rise is there a chance he can IMPROVE on the numbers he put up last year? I believe so.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Better QBs than his current one?

Brandon Weeden? TJ Yates? Stop it.... Lol

[Kent 228]

Brandon Weeden? TJ Yates? Stop it.... Lol

Brock Osweiler? Stop it.... Lol

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Brock Osweiler? Stop it.... Lol

No no please elaborate on how they're better than Osweiler. I'll wait.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

I always like to point out Hopkins stats in the games where Hoyer didn't play... Plus Osweiler was in Denver taking over for a gimpy Peyton. If the offense was catered to noodle arm Peyton than how many deep attempts did he even have? Your stats seems a little skewed.

I couldn't remember all the qbs besides Hoyer so I used him since I believe he had the most targets to Hopkins. My stats are accurate from the site that I used. If they are incorrect then tell me where they need to be adjusted.

 

I fully acknowledge that he may still be top 5, just not as likely according to my point of view as some other receivers.

[Maulers1973 117]

I am very high on Keenan Allen. Kid has skills and a good QB throwing to him. He averaged over 8 rec a game when healthy last year.

 

1. Brown

2. Jones

3. OBJ

4. K Allen

5. Cooper

 

That Raiders offense is going to be dynamic. I'm high on both Cooper and Crabtree, but they obviously won't both finish top 5. Of course, Green, Hopkins and Robinson are good candidates too. Darkhorses would be DT, Alshon, Nelson, and Tate.

[Kent 228]

No no please elaborate on how they're better than Osweiler. I'll wait.

For one, Weeden amd Yates proved they could chuck it up and hope Deandre would come down with it. Osweiler has proven one thing...he's awful.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I couldn't remember all the qbs besides Hoyer so I used him since I believe he had the most targets to Hopkins. My stats are accurate from the site that I used. If they are incorrect then tell me where they need to be adjusted.

 

I fully acknowledge that he may still be top 5, just not as likely according to my point of view as some other receivers.

Your stats aren't wrong and if they are I wouldn't know. I just know that in the 5 or 6 games without Hoyer, Hopkins still balled out.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

For one, Weeden amd Yates proved they could chuck it up and hope Deandre would come down with it. Osweiler has proven one thing...he's awful.

FACTS... Lol

[Kent 228]

FACTS... Lol

I'll assume you're a homer, and I hope the Texans never lose a game this year and win the Super Bowl.

 

But in fantasy none of that matters.

[Ray_T 786]

Brown, Beckham, Julio, Hopkins, and then it changes based on personal preference.

 

These were 4 of the top 5 last year right? B marsh was the other top 5 receiver? This is not going to be this years top 5. The guy I am avoiding is Hopkins. I like Green as a top 5 and really like the idea of him being featured again with the lack of pass game options.

 

The Bengals OC was Daltons QB coach so they do have history already.

 

Osweiler on the other hand... he only completed a dreadful 29% of his passes over 15 yards, and that's with D Thomas and Sanders as his receivers. A qb has to at least get the ball near his receiver so a play can be made. I just don't see how Hopkins remains top 5.

Agree.

 

I think I made a similar point in the Lamar Miller thread as well.

 

We cannot discount the possibility that the QB change wont be good for Hopkins. I'm not about to downgrade his ranking substantially because of it, but I'm not about to predict Hopkins will have a career year either.

 

I'm projecting slightly less than last years stats, but acknowledging that there may be a bit more risk with him.

 

That being said, as a Hopkins owner in a keeper league.... if I can swing a trade for Brown, Julio, or Odell Beckham Jr. (or similar value) I'd prefer to let someone else assume the risk there.

 

I dont know how easy it would be to make a deal like this, but my plan is to try. If I have to throw in a minor asset or a couple of auction dollars to make it happen, then so be it.

[weepaws 3,346]

Hope you can't trade Hopkins for either , Brown Beckham Jr or for J Jones , what does that say about the other people in that league .

[Frozenbeernuts 2,332]

Hope you can't trade Hopkins for either , Brown Beckham Jr or for J Jones , what does that say about the other people in that league .

Oh no trading the 4th ranked receiver for the third. Who in their right mind would do such a thing??

[Skinny_Bastard 159]

OBJ

Brown

Julio

AJ

Dez

[tanatastic 2,062]

Half of everyones top 6 wrs will finish outside the top 10 this year. Throw darts or make guesstimates, doesnt really matter. Just know that its gonna happen. Be sure to load up on some of those next few tier wrs too to catch the ones who replace them.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I'll assume you're a homer, and I hope the Texans never lose a game this year and win the Super Bowl.

 

But in fantasy none of that matters.

I'm a dolphins fan. 0 horses in this race.

 

I'm just saying, idk how you can conclude that a QB is awful after just 300 pass attempts. 11 TDs to 6 INTs. As a person who's watched Trannyhill for 5 years I certainly know stats can be misleading. But let's not forget many QBs struggle their first go around.

 

Everyone here refers to his numbers on the Broncos where he was essentially playing the role of caretaker / game manager. New team, different scheme, who knows?

 

Kent does.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I really don't think there's any risk to Hopkins. If Osweiler stinks it up and they change QBs it won't be much different to what he endured last year. Plus he's never hurt. That alone is why I would take him over Dez, Jordy, AJ, and Keenan.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

Half of everyones top 6 wrs will finish outside the top 10 this year. Throw darts or make guesstimates, doesnt really matter. Just know that its gonna happen. Be sure to load up on some of those next few tier wrs too to catch the ones who replace them.

I.e. Last year's Allen Robinson.

[jgcrawfish 232]

It's

 

Brown, Julio J

Beckham Jr

 

Then throw a dart at any of:

Dez, Nuk, AJG, Marshall, Cooper, Keenan Allen or Jordy Nelson

 

Anybody who says they know is wishful thinking. As Chong Li pointed out, 6 of last years top 10 will drop out and nobody can predict injuries.

 

I prefer to look at like this:

 

Roethlisberger

Ryan

Manning

Romo

Osweiler

Fitzpatrick

Carr

Rivers

Rodgers

 

For my money, I'm going with Brown, Julio, OBJ, Allen and Jordy as the dark horse. If almost everything else is equal, give me the best QB's throwing it.

[Kent 228]

I'm a dolphins fan. 0 horses in this race.

 

I'm just saying, idk how you can conclude that a QB is awful after just 300 pass attempts. 11 TDs to 6 INTs. As a person who's watched Trannyhill for 5 years I certainly know stats can be misleading. But let's not forget many QBs struggle their first go around.

 

Everyone here refers to his numbers on the Broncos where he was essentially playing the role of caretaker / game manager. New team, different scheme, who knows?

 

Kent does.

I'm just puzzled that not only are Miller and Hopkins not holding more neutral in Adp...they are moving way up the board. Fantasy in large part is how to properly measure risk. For some reason this isn't being factored by some with regards to Osweiler's impact. Of his minimal attempts he's looked awful and been benched for a guy with no feeling in his fingers. If he had looked good it's a different story.

 

I'd rather you give the board insights on Ajayi and Foster rather than continue this debate.

[weepaws 3,346]

Oh no trading the 4th ranked receiver for the third. Who in their right mind would do such a thing??

Didn't you say you where going to avoid Hopkins ?

 

Now you think that they should trade away either , Brown or Beckham Jr or J Jones for a wr that you said you are avoiding ?

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I'm just puzzled that not only are Miller and Hopkins not holding more neutral in Adp...they are moving way up the board. Fantasy in large part is how to properly measure risk. For some reason this isn't being factored by some with regards to Osweiler's impact. Of his minimal attempts he's looked awful and been benched for a guy with no feeling in his fingers. If he had looked good it's a different story.

 

I'd rather you give the board insights on Ajayi and Foster rather than continue this debate.

Benched for a guy lol

 

P.s. I post what I want, as should you.

[Kent 228]

Benched for a guy lol

 

P.s. I post what I want, as should you.

Help the board with some homer Dolphin insight. I'm serious.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Didn't you say you where going to avoid Hopkins ?

 

Now you think that they should trade away either , Brown or Beckham Jr or J Jones for a wr that you said you are avoiding ?

He just means they are so close that its pointless to nitpick between them too much. Its not like trading Julio for Sanu.

[BoxFullofJoel 3]

Some rare WR are QB proof. Hopkins and Marshall lead the list.

[weepaws 3,346]

Ok I understand that , but he did start out this thread saying he is going to avoid Hopkins .

[weepaws 3,346]

So you would rank Marshall the same if Geno was the Jets Qb ?