Would you support the Feds requiring photo I.D. for all General Elections?

[Strike 6,023]

I don't feel strongly about it either way. Most states have some ID requirement. As long as they're not changing the rules in an election year I'm cool with it.

 

That said I think it's pretty obviously just a hurdle to make it harder for lower class people to vote. Of all the ways to commit voter fraud showing up to the polls to impersonate one person, essentially risking jail time for a single vote, seems like just about the dumbest way to do it.

 

My bigger concern re: voter fraud is local elections. This is rarely talked about but there are many more local elections that in small communities may only have 100 (or less) votes, and yeah there individual votes can mean the difference between winning and losing the election.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Russia having an effect on the election sounds like high level conspiracy theory kookery. Also it was a landslide in the electoral college...the thing that actually decides the results. Saying it's not a landslide is like saying a team that wins 31-10 didn't destroy the other team because the other team had more net yards gained.

Sure...but you mentioned who people voted for....no landslide. No mandate from the people.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Russia having an effect on the election sounds like high level conspiracy theory kookery. Also it was a landslide in the electoral college...the thing that actually decides the results. Saying it's not a landslide is like saying a team that wins 31-10 didn't destroy the other team because the other team had more net yards gained.

 

PERFECT analogy.

[NewbieJr 541]

Russia having an effect on the election sounds like high level conspiracy theory kookery. Also it was a landslide in the electoral college...the thing that actually decides the results. Saying it's not a landslide is like saying a team that wins 31-10 didn't destroy the other team because the other team had more net yards gained.

LOL No, this was actual votes. Three million more American citizens wanted Hillary to be their president than Trump. Three Million!! lol Yup, Trump won the electoral college. And everyone knew the rules going in. Not disputing the outcome. But if there was an actual landslide, it was Hillary.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The people voted and there was a landslide victory despite this so called popular vote.

This is the disconnect here. You state the people voted and there was a landslide victory. The votes of the people do not support the conclusion of a landslide.

[edjr 6,898]

LOL No, this was actual votes. Three million more American citizens wanted Hillary to be their president than Trump. Three Million!! lol Yup, Trump won the electoral college. And everyone knew the rules going in. Not disputing the outcome. But if there was an actual landslide, it was Hillary.

 

Gore had more than Bush as well.

 

Dems suck at electoral college

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Gore had more than Bush as well.

 

Dems suck at electoral college

It serves its purpose. Gives the redneck hick states some input. Can't really have the entire election decided by two or three highly populated states.

[edjr 6,898]

It serves its purpose. Gives the redneck hick states some input. Can't really have the entire election decided by two or three highly populated states.

 

why isn't it just popular vote? why is the electoral needed?

 

how are local elections decide? how are senate seats and congress decided?

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

 

why isn't it just popular vote? why is the electoral needed?

 

how are local elections decide? how are senate seats and congress decided?

 

[edjr 6,898]

 

 

it got a reality show host elected. now tell me how much it matters

 

Jeff Probst should run

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

 

it got Trump elected. now tell me how much it matters

 

All the information you need is in that video.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

why isn't it just popular vote? why is the electoral needed?

 

how are local elections decide? how are senate seats and congress decided?

The best paying jobs are in the major cities. Therefore. the smartest people tend to flock near the major cities. They become highly populated because of all the wealth surrounding them. If it went simply by number of votes, you'd literally have the same 5 or 6 states deciding the President every four years. So we have to let the wooded unintelligent states have a say. That's how we get guys like Trump in office.

[edjr 6,898]

The best paying jobs are in the major cities. Therefore. the smartest people tend to flock near the major cities. They become highly populated because of all the wealth surrounding them. If it went simply by number of votes, you'd literally have the same 5 or 6 states deciding the President every four years. So we have to let the wooded unintelligent states have a say. That's how we get guys like Trump in office.

 

huh?

 

with no electoral college and only a popular vote does HIllary not win?

[Cdub100 3,995]

That's why you have to register to vote and those registration s have to be vetted.

Just to be clear. In your world I can walk in and give my neighbors name and as long as they are on the sheet I can vote. That is the problem. A problem that can be 99.9% solved by showing an ID.

 

If India with a population over a billion people making less than a couple of dollars a day can have voter ID laws, surely the US can.

[Cdub100 3,995]

The best paying jobs are in the major cities. Therefore. the smartest people tend to flock near the major cities. They become highly populated because of all the wealth surrounding them. If it went simply by number of votes, you'd literally have the same 5 or 6 states deciding the President every four years. So we have to let the wooded unintelligent states have a say. That's how we get guys like Trump in office.

LoL this is rich.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

huh?

 

with no electoral college and only a popular vote does HIllary not win?

Yes. By three million votes. I meant by discounting the popular vote and letting the little redneck states get a disproportionate amount of pull, we get a guy like Trump.

[drobeski 3,061]

LOL No, this was actual votes. Three million more American citizens wanted Hillary to be their president than Trump. Three Million!! lol Yup, Trump won the electoral college. And everyone knew the rules going in. Not disputing the outcome. But if there was an actual landslide, it was Hillary.

they don't go on the score board dummy

[NewbieJr 541]

they don't go on the score board dummy

As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have a more intelligent coworker that can translate that for you?

[edjr 6,898]

Yes. By three million votes. I meant by discounting the popular vote and letting the little redneck states get a disproportionate amount of pull, we get a guy like Trump.

 

Oh you were agreeing with me.. my bad.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

The best paying jobs are in the major cities. Therefore. the smartest people tend to flock near the major cities. They become highly populated because of all the wealth surrounding them. If it went simply by number of votes, you'd literally have the same 5 or 6 states deciding the President every four years. So we have to let the wooded unintelligent states have a say. That's how we get guys like Trump in office.

 

In their world, you are the unintelligent one.

[drobeski 3,061]

As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have a more intelligent coworker that can translate that for you?

your crybaby popular vote rant is meaningless...just like every eagles season.

HTH

[NewbieJr 541]

 

In their world, you are the unintelligent one.

Good one

[NewbieJr 541]

you're crybaby popular vote rant is meaningless...just like every eagles season.

HTH

I actually support the electoral college. Find one post of mine saying I don't. If not for that, candidates would do all their campaigning in 5 states. I'm not b1tching about the process. I'm just explaining it. hth

[Cdub100 3,995]

Yes. By three million votes. I meant by discounting the popular vote and letting the little redneck states get a disproportionate amount of pull, we get a guy like Trump.

Did you know teams play the game by the rules agreed on before the contest? You assume if the rules changed Hillary would still win.

 

Simple fact is neither of us know how many people don't vote in states that already decided. California has millions of people who probably don't vote because it's already decided. Same for Texas. That is a fact on both sides.

 

So no you don't get to decide who would have won using a data set that favors your side.

 

Just like teams with more passing yards don't get to say they would have won if that was the deciding metric because teams would act differently.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Is the guy from Pennsylvania (that went for Trump) calling other states rednecks? Too funny.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

huh?

 

with no electoral college and only a popular vote does HIllary not win?

 

Possibly...both would have campaigned differently had it just been about popular vote.

[Sho Nuff 720]

your crybaby popular vote rant is meaningless...just like every eagles season.

HTH

 

Literally nobody is crying about the popular vote.

[NewbieJr 541]

Did you know teams play the game by the rules agreed on before the contest? You assume if the rules changed Hillary would still win.

 

Simple fact is neither of us know how many people don't vote in states that already decided. California has millions of people who probably don't vote because it's already decided. Same for Texas. That is a fact on both sides.

 

So no you don't get to decide who would have won using a data set that favors your side.

 

Just like teams with more passing yards don't get to say they would have won if that was the deciding metric because teams would act differently.

Trump won fair and square. And is our president. Not sure who you're arguing with. And Hillary won the popular vote by three million. Fact.

[SUXBNME 1,595]

[SUXBNME 1,595]

Yes. By three million votes. I meant by discounting the popular vote and letting the little redneck states get a disproportionate amount of pull, we get a guy like Trump.

[vuduchile 1,947]

HAHA!. It's on 125th Street man!

 

"who are these people talking to?"

[Alias Detective 1,459]

Because study after study has shown it to be statistically insignificant. Its not schtick...its called the research of the issue that has been done time and time again.

I think being ahead of the curve is important. Why wait until there's is a significant voter fraud issue until we put a plan to eliminate such problem in place?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think being ahead of the curve is important. Why wait until there's is a significant voter fraud issue until we put a plan to eliminate such problem in place?

 

So...lets create expenses to combat a problem that does not exist nor is it likely to really begin to exist.

Another great conservative idea.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

 

So...lets create expenses to combat a problem that does not exist nor is it likely to really begin to exist.

Another great conservative idea.

 

That is like saying why have a military when our nation hasn't been to war in X+ years.

[drobeski 3,061]

Sux won this thread

[DankNuggs 305]

 

why isn't it just popular vote? why is the electoral needed?

 

how are local elections decide? how are senate seats and congress decided?

If we didn't have it, elections would be solely about winning densely populated city votes, and the hell with the rest of the country

[NewbieJr 541]

 

That is like saying why have a military when our nation hasn't been to war in X+ years.

we have been in Wars. There is a historical reason for having a military. Hope this helps.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

we have been in Wars. There is a historical reason for having a military. Hope this helps.

Oh, so there has never been voter fraud in our history? Thanks for the history lesson numb-nuts. Try reading a book when you get a chance.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

we have been in Wars. There is a historical reason for having a military. Hope this helps.

 

It was hypothetical, context clues my friend.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

So...lets create expenses to combat a problem that does not exist nor is it likely to really begin to exist.

Another great conservative idea.

When i rely on the honor system by leaving a basket of candy on my doorstep on halloween, it got stolen within an hour.

 

Same honor system to elect people of enormous positions of power...

 

I agree risking a felony for a vote is stupid. but i think its reasonable that people would look to find ways to exploit virtually anything.... but who knows, you can't prove it one way or another... Its like whether a tree in the forest falling makes a sound when no one is around...