6000 White Nationalists storm Charlottesville, VA

[5-Points 3,566]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/first-amendment-explainer-trnd/index.html

 

 

So what action is going to be taken against private citizens being louder than another group?

You are conflating the dictionary definnition of peaceful and a constitutional right and where the government gives you the right to assemble...that is not the right to be heard.

In addition...given the nature of the protest and how it could have been deemed to be that which would incite violence...it could have legally been shut down by the government had they seen fit to do so.

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/free-speech-protests-demonstrations

We have a constitutional right to assemble. With that right comes the requirement to do so peaceably.

 

We don't have a right to disturb the peace. Even if the other guy said something we didn't like.

[crackattack 520]

 

1. No...I don't see a counter protest being louder as censorship. And certainly not a violation of any 1st Amendment rights. Starting violence is another thing. And not sure how many times going back a long time that you need me to say i don't condone violence in these things or violence as a form of protest.

2. I wasn't playing moral police.

 

and actually in many public places you are allowed to protest and counter protest where you want. Its up to that state/city to have laws in place and enforce such restrictions of time and venue.

Ok. I've never said you condone violence. Not sure why you keep emphasizing it. I don't either.

 

So, you don't see illegal counter protests as a form of censorship. I'm going to use Milo as an example. If I wanted to attend one of his legal, paid for events, and a group of people come in and yell/scream/chant, take the stage, disrupt it until it's shut down for safety concerns, not be considered censorship.

 

The just censored, through intimidation and disrupting the peace, and my right to hear what he had to say. It doesn't have to get violent. It could be peaceful protests with just the possibility of turning violent, and they'll shut it down. That's censorship via moral police.

[DankNuggs 305]

As I sit in my spacious air conditioned office, listening to my Amazon Unlimited Music account through my computer speakers w/subwoofer and looking out my huge window, I can't help but to chuckle at my warehouse days from 1998.

Barry Manilow without a subwoofer just isn't Barry Manilow

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Anyone see that one black counter protester trying to torch that redneck with a homemade flame thrower? Why did he bring that to a peaceful counter protest? Liberals hate the truth. Shonuff is actually allergic to it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

armed and violent?

 

Armed...sure.

Violent...at times yes (as I have stated over and over I am against).

Instigated here? Not one person when asked on this board has provided any shread of evidence or even tried to link to something. id ask you...but don't need any breitbart or conservative treehouse BS.

 

I have...however, linked to multiple videos of the Nazi crowd charging others...of them inciting violence on Friday night as well...of them pushing through police lines.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Anyone see that one black counter protester trying to torch that redneck with a homemade flame thrower? Why did he bring that to a peaceful counter protest? Liberals hate the truth. Shonuff is actually allergic to it.

Maybe having gotten their a$$ kicked in November made them lose what little remained of their brains.

[DankNuggs 305]

Anyone see that one black counter protester trying to torch that redneck with a homemade flame thrower? Why did he bring that to a peaceful counter protest? Liberals hate the truth. Shonuff is actually allergic to it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

this purity penor measuring contest where white nationalists are justly declared evil but the other side must be labeled good is funny to me.

 

Like CNN declaring the solution to this white nationalist issue is to elect progressive politicians... ya, because I have a problem with white nationalists I have to turn over my paycheck to socialist politicians to do what they want... makes sense

 

 

antifa - communists

 

the chick who was arrested in Durham for climbing the statue and putting the rope over it is a college student with the World Workers Party....Communists.

 

Must be labeled good? Who said this?

I am labeling Nazis bad.

I have not claimed anyone else inciting violence is good.

Have stated over and over again that antifa is bad.

Stated in the thread about durham that those people were morons and should be punished to the furthest extent of the law.

 

And your CNN comment where progressive = socialists who want you turning over your check to them...yeah...not hard to see your blind bias shining through.

[Sho Nuff 720]

We have a constitutional right to assemble. With that right comes the requirement to do so peaceably.

 

We don't have a right to disturb the peace. Even if the other guy said something we didn't like.

 

Peaceably does not = in quiet where nobody is louder than you.

If you have any constitutional expert saying that...please post it.

Not some dictionary definition that is not what the constitunial law is.

 

 

I posted the links supporting my view. I can show you where bikers have had their motorcycles going to drown out Westboro.

 

You have brought nothing to support your claims here.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ok. I've never said you condone violence. Not sure why you keep emphasizing it. I don't either.

 

So, you don't see illegal counter protests as a form of censorship. I'm going to use Milo as an example. If I wanted to attend one of his legal, paid for events, and a group of people come in and yell/scream/chant, take the stage, disrupt it until it's shut down for safety concerns, not be considered censorship.

 

The just censored, through intimidation and disrupting the peace, and my right to hear what he had to say. It doesn't have to get violent. It could be peaceful protests with just the possibility of turning violent, and they'll shut it down. That's censorship via moral police.

 

I emphasized it because you stated violence as a form of censorship. If you don't want me emphasizing it...don't keep bringing up violence as if Im in support of that.

 

I don't see legal counter protest as a form of censorship no.

Look above for the link I provided about what recourse they have for students getting in the way of Milo's speech.

Take the stage and disrupt physically...no, I don't agree with that.

Though, I don't think a speech like that is the same as the rally that was going on. Not legally at all.

If there is a possibility of it turning violent it should be shut down.

As this rally legally could have and likely should have been.

[DankNuggs 305]

 

Must be labeled good? Who said this?

I am labeling Nazis bad.

I have not claimed anyone else inciting violence is good.

Have stated over and over again that antifa is bad.

Stated in the thread about durham that those people were morons and should be punished to the furthest extent of the law.

 

And your CNN comment where progressive = socialists who want you turning over your check to them...yeah...not hard to see your blind bias shining through.

fair enough...

[NewbieJr 541]

Barry Manilow without a subwoofer just isn't Barry Manilow

Lol Not much harder, actually. Been listening to a lot of ELO today.

[crackattack 520]

 

I emphasized it because you stated violence as a form of censorship. If you don't want me emphasizing it...don't keep bringing up violence as if Im in support of that.

 

I don't see legal counter protest as a form of censorship no.

Look above for the link I provided about what recourse they have for students getting in the way of Milo's speech.

Take the stage and disrupt physically...no, I don't agree with that.

Though, I don't think a speech like that is the same as the rally that was going on. Not legally at all.

If there is a possibility of it turning violent it should be shut down.

As this rally legally could have and likely should have been.

You're for censorship via silencing opposite views. You believe vile, hateful, racist rhetoric should be shouted down legally or illegally. All protests with hate groups have the potential to get violent. So, by your own words, it should get shut down.

 

That is censorship through the threat of violence. This is why you can't have counter protesters allowed within earshot of the protesters. I despise Westboro, the kkk, Nazi, and all the hate groups. But, they have a right to protest/assemble peacefully, without having counter protesters in their permitted area. If not, violence will always happen.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You're for censorship via silencing opposite views. You believe vile, hateful, racist rhetoric should be shouted down legally or illegally. All protests with hate groups have the potential to get violent. So, by your own words, it should get shut down.

 

That is censorship through the threat of violence. This is why you can't have counter protesters allowed within earshot of the protesters. I despise Westboro, the kkk, Nazi, and all the hate groups. But, they have a right to protest/assemble peacefully, without having counter protesters in their permitted area. If not, violence will always happen.

 

I never stated silencing opposite views.

I believe it is legal to counter protest loudly against rhetoric.

 

I believe their speech and rally was meant to incite violence and could have legally been shut down or at best should have been kept to certain areas (they tried and lost on one of those fights).

 

There is no right against having counter protestors or people who disagree with you being close by. That is not a right guaranteed by the constitution.

[NewbieJr 541]

You're for censorship via silencing opposite views. You believe vile, hateful, racist rhetoric should be shouted down legally or illegally. All protests with hate groups have the potential to get violent. So, by your own words, it should get shut down.

 

That is censorship through the threat of violence. This is why you can't have counter protesters allowed within earshot of the protesters. I despise Westboro, the kkk, Nazi, and all the hate groups. But, they have a right to protest/assemble peacefully, without having counter protesters in their permitted area. If not, violence will always happen.

Acts like this will prompt changes in the laws. Assembling with torches, shields, and clubs won't be allowed much longer under the veil of 'peaceful protest'. These guys assembled using tactics to make blacks think back to the days of lynching. I wouldn't have given two shits if the counter protesters decided to throw a bomb and wipe out dozens of them. Just disgusting assembly in the modern age. And our KKK Nazi Prez approves of it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Damn newbie...again, you go from reasonable point...to not caring about someone throwing a bomb in the middle of them.

Stop with that crap.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

JFC you people are nuts all to support The 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

Guilty.

[5-Points 3,566]

 

Peaceably does not = in quiet where nobody is louder than you.

If you have any constitutional expert saying that...please post it.

Not some dictionary definition that is not what the constitunial law is.

 

 

I posted the links supporting my view. I can show you where bikers have had their motorcycles going to drown out Westboro.

 

You have brought nothing to support your claims here.

I'm pretty sure the framers of the constitution chose words based on their definition. Peaceably means what it means.

 

 

I missed the part where the bikers grabbed weapons and began fighting with westboro. Was that in the link? Or does revving an engine = ADW?

 

I brought nothing but common sense and a lack of emotion.

[Gladiators 1,993]

Damn newbie...again, you go from reasonable point...to not caring about someone throwing a bomb in the middle of them.

Stop with that crap.

lol. I was going to type the same thing.

[5-Points 3,566]

Acts like this will prompt changes in the laws. Assembling with torches, shields, and clubs won't be allowed much longer under the veil of 'peaceful protest'.

Or masks! Oh.... wait. That's already illegal.

[crackattack 520]

Acts like this will prompt changes in the laws. Assembling with torches, shields, and clubs won't be allowed much longer under the veil of 'peaceful protest'. These guys assembled using tactics to make blacks think back to the days of lynching. I wouldn't have given two shits if the counter protesters decided to throw a bomb and wipe out dozens of them. Just disgusting assembly in the modern age. And our KKK Nazi Prez approves of it.

And there it is. Censorship via acts or threats of violence. This my friends is fascism. Congrats. You are on par with Nazi's.

[crackattack 520]

 

I never stated silencing opposite views.

I believe it is legal to counter protest loudly against rhetoric.

 

I believe their speech and rally was meant to incite violence and could have legally been shut down or at best should have been kept to certain areas (they tried and lost on one of those fights).

 

There is no right against having counter protestors or people who disagree with you being close by. That is not a right guaranteed by the constitution.

Your own link said the counter protesters were supposed to be elsewhere. So who violated the right to assemble peacefully?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Guilty.

 

Ahh...the foolish quote manip.

[NewbieJr 541]

Damn newbie...again, you go from reasonable point...to not caring about someone throwing a bomb in the middle of them.

Stop with that crap.

I tend to hyperbolize. LOL

[Sho Nuff 720]

Your own link said the counter protesters were supposed to be elsewhere. So who violated the right to assemble peacefully?

 

They should have likely been moved.

However...not all violence was in that park...nor were all of the other protesters/rally nuts in the park.

Seems all around there were people not being peaceful or lawfully assembling.

[crackattack 520]

 

They should have likely been moved.

However...not all violence was in that park...nor were all of the other protesters/rally nuts in the park.

Seems all around there were people not being peaceful or lawfully assembling.

I'm only talking about the legal, permit granted protests. All the others (non legal) should've been shut down. But the counter protesters had no right to disrupt the nazi protest. They were granted other places to counter protest. The Nazi, as much as I hate typing this, had their right to a peaceful assembly violated. It's that simple. The Nazi group followed the law, got the permit they needed, only to have it violated by the counter protesters.

[12th Man 884]

I tend to hyperbolize. LOL

The real truth slips out and it's hyperbole. Focking hypocrite.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm only talking about the legal, permit granted protests. All the others (non legal) should've been shut down. But the counter protesters had no right to disrupt the nazi protest. They were granted other places to counter protest. The Nazi, as much as I hate typing this, had their right to a peaceful assembly violated. It's that simple. The Nazi group followed the law, got the permit they needed, only to have it violated by the counter protesters.

 

Not all of them followed that law...I disagree with that given where much of the violence was...which was not in the park.

They were in the streets...they were in other places as well. One reason they tried to change the permit to a different location and were overruled.

[Alias Detective 1,407]

Not all of them followed that law...I disagree with that given where much of the violence was...which was not in the park.

They were in the streets...they were in other places as well. One reason they tried to change the permit to a different location and were overruled.

You are the most egotistical person I know, you concede nothing and continue moving goal posts. It is no wonder people get frustrated engaging with you.. I know there was a thread on this earlier but as a bystander, you are the suck.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You are the most egotistical person I know, you concede nothing and continue moving goal posts. It is no wonder people get frustrated engaging with you.. I know there was a thread on this earlier but as a bystander, you are the suck.

 

I moved no goalposts...and what in the world does this have to do with ego?

You are a racist jackass alias...what you say has zero meaning to me.

[NewbieJr 541]

The real truth slips out and it's hyperbole. Focking hypocrite.

119 of 123 of your last posts are quoting or referencing me. It's been a very low have dreams about me at night? If I ever find out you're stroking yourself and thinking of me, I will press charges faguette

[12th Man 884]

119 of 123 of your last posts are quoting or referencing me. It's been a very low have dreams about me at night? If I ever find out you're stroking yourself and thinking of me, I will press charges faguette

And 500 of my next 500 will point out your lying, hypocritical BS. Get used to it.

[Mr. Hand 482]

I tend to hyperbolize. LOL

No....you're an idiot.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Newbie is sooooo outraged by these racist nazis he's going to post about it in a low trafficked message board. A lot. How about getting out of your podunk town and joining a protest?

[12th Man 884]

Newbie is sooooo outraged by these racist nazis he's going to post about it in a low trafficked message board. A lot. How about getting out of your podunk town and joining a protest?

Newbie' s a fraud. He's stated over and over he doesn't even talk politics with people in person. No balls. Just keyboard muscles.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Newbie' s a fraud. He's stated over and over he doesn't even talk politics with people in person. No balls. Just keyboard muscles.

Looks that way

[12th Man 884]

Looks that way

And you know when he starts dropping homosexual references he's thrown his gun.

[NewbieJr 541]

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