Trump pardons Arizona Sheriff

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

And I believe even those in jail have rights.

And that remaining ignorant as you and then trying to talk as if you are educated about on a topic is just one of many reasons you are a moron.

I will concede there is evidence of my ignorance. That would be trying to reason with a complete nut job like yourself.

[drobeski 3,061]

Go easy on sniffles, he's lost his only bored friend.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Go easy on sniffles, he's lost his only bored friend.

No need for friends...and you all are always easy for me. Fighting a bunch of unarmed men.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Fighting a bunch of unarmed men.

Watch yer skirt don't fly up Nancy.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

No need for friends...and you all are always easy for me. Fighting a bunch of unarmed men.

while eating bon bons and watching the view

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's the best youvtwo have got? Weak attempts at insults?

 

Oof...how sad you all have become.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I believe prisons should be a deterrent, not a crash pad where some folks have better food, cable t.v. and gym memberships FFS.

This is a jail. People haven't been convicted of sh!t yet. And people died.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

This is a jail. People haven't been convicted of sh!t yet. And people died.

People die in jails all the time. That being said, his jails had an above average death rate. But let's not stop there. Arizona also has a lot of drug addicts. Meth runs rampant down there. Also, if there were all these suspicious deaths going on, why did the Feds, who were obviously out to get him, settle on a weak charge like contempt? They had 8 years and came up with that?

[joneo 562]

You k...so Trump pardons a guy who never served a day...who was a public official. And nice edit...mocking you all as hypocritical dbags does not equal losing my ######.

Show many any of Obamas who got that description of yiu want to try and compare apples to apples.

 

Or quit the deflection for once and try being objective.

 

Realize that there are people in the left and right criticizing this move.

But you all can't see past Trumps nuts with his cack buried so deep in your throats.

Truly sick of your schtick; "apples to apples." " Quit deflecting". There is no apple to apple since Trump didn't release terrorists and scum who threaten America. You always do this apple to apple bullsh1t when you don't have a legitimate argument. All you do is whine and accuse others of deflecting. Grow the fock up.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

Truly sick of your schtick; "apples to apples." " Quit deflecting". There is no apple to apple since Trump didn't release terrorists and scum who threaten America. You always do this apple to apple bullsh1t when you don't have a legitimate argument. All you do is whine and accuse others of deflecting. Grow the fock up.

Word up

[drobeski 3,061]

Truly sick of your schtick; "apples to apples." " Quit deflecting". There is no apple to apple since Trump didn't release terrorists and scum who threaten America. You always do this apple to apple bullsh1t when you don't have a legitimate argument. All you do is whine and accuse others of deflecting. Grow the fock up.

blammo

[crackattack 520]

Where was Sho's selective outrage over GEN. James Cartwright. He served as joint chiefs of staff under Obama. Plead guilty to lying to the FBI during an investigation concerning confidential leaks, as he was the leaker. Obama pardon him before a sentence was handed out. Fake outrage. There's your apples to apples comparison.

 

I searched for a thread started by sho on this topic, but couldn't find one

[MDC 8,023]

With Newbie gone we're going to have to rely on Sho and Wiffle to keep the Spice Girls entertained. Are they up to the task???

 

I just don't know.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Truly sick of your schtick; "apples to apples." " Quit deflecting". There is no apple to apple since Trump didn't release terrorists and scum who threaten America. You always do this apple to apple bullsh1t when you don't have a legitimate argument. All you do is whine and accuse others of deflecting. Grow the fock up.

 

If you are sick of my schtick...then you and your other Trump jackasses should quite deflecting every negative Trump issue with a "what about Hillary...or obama...or focking Bill Clinton who has not been President in a long focking time).

Quit trying false equivalencies and actually try compariing things that are comparabale and relevant.

 

I have a legitimate argument. I have made it...you don't accept it because you are either A. Stupid, B. Ignorant, C. Just a blind ass partisan. And very likely its all focking 3.

 

And you telling anyone to grow up...always good for a laugh.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Where was Sho's selective outrage over GEN. James Cartwright. He served as joint chiefs of staff under Obama. Plead guilty to lying to the FBI during an investigation concerning confidential leaks, as he was the leaker. Obama pardon him before a sentence was handed out. Fake outrage. There's your apples to apples comparison.

 

I searched for a thread started by sho on this topic, but couldn't find one

 

That is as close as you will get sure.

I think the crimes are quite a bit different.

Was Cartwright's pardon reviewed by the DOJ? I believe it was. Again, unlike Sheriff Joe.

Seems a bit different...and the guy was looking at what? 6 months?

And was not seen as the original source of the story in the first place?

 

BTW...you also fail to mention he was nominated to serve on the Joint Chiefs by Bush.

[joneo 562]

 

If you are sick of my schtick...then you and your other Trump jackasses should quite deflecting every negative Trump issue with a "what about Hillary...or obama...or focking Bill Clinton who has not been President in a long focking time).

Quit trying false equivalencies and actually try compariing things that are comparabale and relevant.

 

I have a legitimate argument. I have made it...you don't accept it because you are either A. Stupid, B. Ignorant, C. Just a blind ass partisan. And very likely its all focking 3.

 

And you telling anyone to grow up...always good for a laugh.

And yet another denial on your part. Your saying bringing up Obama isn't relevant. It's 1 Presidents action compared to another. Very relevant. But go ahead and keep choking on the liberal chode. Just relax your throat and take it balls deep.

[crackattack 520]

 

That is as close as you will get sure.

I think the crimes are quite a bit different.

Was Cartwright's pardon reviewed by the DOJ? I believe it was. Again, unlike Sheriff Joe.

Seems a bit different...and the guy was looking at what? 6 months?

And was not seen as the original source of the story in the first place?

 

BTW...you also fail to mention he was nominated to serve on the Joint Chiefs by Bush.

Served one year under Bush and 3 under Obama. Not sure how that's relevant. I've seen people call leaks of confidential nature as treasonous. Doesn't matter if his pardon was reviewed by the DOJ or not, they don't issue pardons. All they can do is recommend. Again, not relevant. Obama gave a pardon to a self admitted, plead guilty, felon. A felon who never saw a sentencing from a judge. Obama exercised his authority in the exact same manor as Trump just did. A perfect comparison.

 

 

Eta. Talk about whataboutisms

[jerryskids 7,166]

People die in jails all the time. That being said, his jails had an above average death rate. But let's not stop there. Arizona also has a lot of drug addicts. Meth runs rampant down there. Also, if there were all these suspicious deaths going on, why did the Feds, who were obviously out to get him, settle on a weak charge like contempt? They had 8 years and came up with that?

 

Hey now, Breaking Bad was in New Mexico, not Arizona.

 

That being said I could believe we have a relatively high meth problem since a disproportionate amount of our trash is white, and I think of meth as a predominantly white trash problem. I may be wrong, I honestly don't know, and I haven't heard that we have a bigger meth problem than other major metro areas.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

What a wussy cop-out it is to say comparing presidents actions is irrelevant or a deflection. It's the whole fockin point.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

 

Hey now, Breaking Bad was in New Mexico, not Arizona.

 

That being said I could believe we have a relatively high meth problem since a disproportionate amount of our trash is white, and I think of meth as a predominantly white trash problem. I may be wrong, I honestly don't know, and I haven't heard that we have a bigger meth problem than other major metro areas.

Eh. I'm going with what the herd says. But Arizona certainly is a way station for drug trafficking on the border. Those types partake in violence, even in jail.

[drobeski 3,061]

What a wussy cop-out it is to say comparing presidents actions is irrelevant or a deflection. It's the whole fockin point.

this

[Sho Nuff 720]

And yet another denial on your part. Your saying bringing up Obama isn't relevant. It's 1 Presidents action compared to another. Very relevant. But go ahead and keep choking on the liberal chode. Just relax your throat and take it balls deep.

If anyone knows how to take a deep...it's you.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Served one year under Bush and 3 under Obama. Not sure how that's relevant. I've seen people call leaks of confidential nature as treasonous. Doesn't matter if his pardon was reviewed by the DOJ or not, they don't issue pardons. All they can do is recommend. Again, not relevant. Obama gave a pardon to a self admitted, plead guilty, felon. A felon who never saw a sentencing from a judge. Obama exercised his authority in the exact same manor as Trump just did. A perfect comparison.

 

 

Eta. Talk about whataboutisms

I think having the DOJ review is quite relevant in these matters.

But a fair enough comparison.

[crackattack 520]

I think having the DOJ review is quite relevant in these matters.

But a fair enough comparison.

Glad you consider it a fair comparison, but a DOJ, usually appointed by whomever is serving as president, usually ideologically the same, isn't relevant. I bet Obama's DOJ recommend a pardon. I would also bet a DOJ appointed by Trump might recommend a pardon. But all in all, it doesn't matter. It's a right every president exercises. It's a right every president has without needed consent from the DOJ. I bet we could find multiple instances of these type of pardons.

[joneo 562]

If anyone knows how to take a ###### deep...it's you.

 

I know you think getting the last word in an argument = a win . Good for you sport.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I know you think getting the last word in an argument = a win . Good for you sport.

Not really...I don't need board wins...proving you an idiot is victory enough, though quite easy...oops...I posted again.

 

Your turn...because you live to keep replying (dumbass)

[joneo 562]

Not really...I don't need board wins...proving you an idiot is victory enough, though quite easy...oops...I posted again.

 

Your turn...because you live to keep replying (dumbass)

 

Yup, you win.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

What a wussy cop-out it is to say comparing presidents actions is irrelevant or a deflection. It's the whole fockin point.

No, actually, it's focking not.

 

The point is to discuss whether the actions of the president in pardoning arrapio were proper or not.

 

Thus, the actions of another president years before is irrelevant. Unless the point to you, is keeping some magic R vs. D scoreboard in your head. Which is sad.

 

For the record, both this pardon and obamas were wrong. HTH.

[Sho Nuff 720]

No, actually, it's focking not.

 

The point is to discuss whether the actions of the president in pardoning arrapio were proper or not.

 

Thus, the actions of another president years before is irrelevant. Unless the point to you, is keeping some magic R vs. D scoreboard in your head. Which is sad.

 

For the record, both this pardon and obamas were wrong. HTH.

Logic won't work on the illogical

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

No, actually, it's focking not.

 

The point is to discuss whether the actions of the president in pardoning arrapio were proper or not.

 

Thus, the actions of another president years before is irrelevant. Unless the point to you, is keeping some magic R vs. D scoreboard in your head. Which is sad.

 

For the record, both this pardon and obamas were wrong. HTH.

You say a comparison is invalid, and finish up with a comparison. Nice job!

[joneo 562]

No, actually, it's focking not.

 

The point is to discuss whether the actions of the president in pardoning arrapio were proper or not.

 

Thus, the actions of another president years before is irrelevant. Unless the point to you, is keeping some magic R vs. D scoreboard in your head. Which is sad.

 

For the record, both this pardon and obamas were wrong. HTH.

 

 

Actually, yes it is. The thread originator asked for "thoughts". Therefore, thoughts about Obama pardoning crapbags and libs not whining about that when he left office is relevant.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

You say a comparison is invalid, and finish up with a comparison. Nice job!

No fockwit. You idiots seem to think that anything trump does that is bad is magically made ok as long as Obama did something, in your mind, equally bad.

 

But to avoid charges of hypocrisy, I went ahead and weiged in on both.

 

My mistake. I should know better. I'm not gonna be the new newbie. Y'all have fun with your pathetic circle jerk.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,998]

No fockwit. You idiots seem to think that anything trump does that is bad is magically made ok as long as Obama did something, in your mind, equally bad.

 

But to avoid charges of hypocrisy, I went ahead and weiged in on both.

 

My mistake. I should know better. I'm not gonna be the new newbie. Y'all have fun with your pathetic circle jerk.

Lighten up man. You're better than the other hysterical ninnies from the left around here. When the call is made to not compare and contrast presidents on the same issues, pardons in this case, to me it's a way of putting your hands over your ears and refusing to debate the issue. Again, there is a huge uproar over this Pardon, and thats fair. But when a few months ago far worse pardons were handed out, I'm sorry if some of us sit back and say WTF, and conclude that the media is driving this narrative to suit their own political ends, which is not their job. The media wants all of their rights held sacrosanct, but don't want to be held accountable for their responsibility of being impartial.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Lighten up man. You're better than the other hysterical ninnies from the left around here. When the call is made to not compare and contrast presidents on the same issues, pardons in this case, to me it's a way of putting your hands over your ears and refusing to debate the issue. Again, there is a huge uproar over this Pardon, and thats fair. But when a few months ago far worse pardons were handed out, I'm sorry if some of us sit back and say WTF, and conclude that the media is driving this narrative to suit their own political ends, which is not their job. The media wants all of their rights held sacrosanct, but don't want to be held accountable for their responsibility of being impartial.

My point is you guys on the right NEVER discuss any action of trumps on its merits. Ever. It's always an immediate, "but Obama" or "but Hilary." It's annoying and a complete waste of time.

 

And sorry for the name calling. I don't know why I get sucked into this Politcal horsesh!t.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

A federal judge in Phoenix Wednesday formally dismissed the criminal case against former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio

 

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton dismissed Arpaio's conviction with prejudice, meaning the matter cannot be tried again

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/04/judge-dismisses-case-against-pardoned-arpaio.html

[giraldi02 476]

Pretty sad that Trump is sympathetic to illegal immigrants and those that release them. What a shame that this sitting president has disdain for proper law and order and those that violate it. Disgusting!

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article220960015.html

 

 

 

President Trump’s closing argument for the midterm elections includes a tweet featuring convicted cop killer Luis Bracamontes, who killed two Sacramento-area deputies in a 2014 rampage.

The tweet features video of Bracamontes spewing profanities while on trial in Sacramento County Superior Court, a frequent occurrence in the years of court hearings he faced.

But the president’s claim that “Democrats let him into our country” is not entirely accurate, and neither is the claim that “Democrats let him stay.”

Bracamontes, who is now on death row at San Quentin State Prison for the October 2014 slayings of Sacramento County Sheriff’s Deputy Danny Oliver and Placer County Sheriff’s Deputy Michael Davis Jr., first came into the United States in 1993, when he was 16 and Democrat Bill Clinton was president.

The Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff’s Office has told The Sacramento Bee previously that he was first arrested in Phoenix in 1996. Prosecutors in Phoenix say he was arrested Sept. 25, 1996, on deportable drug offenses related to marijuana possession and sentenced to four months in jail starting in January 1997.

Bracamontes served his time in then-Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s tent-city jail, then was handed over to federal immigration agents and deported on June 3, 1997, during Clinton’s second term.

He apparently did not stay in Mexico long. Records in Arizona show he was arrested on drug charges again in Phoenix in 1998, then released “for reasons unknown” by Arpaio’s office.

Bracamontes was next arrested May 4, 2001, on marijuana charges in Maricopa County, and deported three days later. Republican George W. Bush was president at the time, and was president when Bracamontes slipped back into the United States a short time later.

The date of his re-entry is not clear, but records show Bracamontes was married in Maricopa County on Feb. 28, 2002, when Bush was president.

By then, Bracamontes had been living near Salt Lake City where he remained until 2014, when he and his wife embarked upon a methamphetamine-fueled trip that ended with their arrests in Placer County after the deputies were killed.

 

 

 

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,157]

As a person who doesnt break the law. I dont have a problem with jail being a miserable deterrent.

[jerryskids 7,166]

Pretty sad that Trump is sympathetic to illegal immigrants and those that release them. What a shame that this sitting president has disdain for proper law and order and those that violate it. Disgusting!

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article220960015.html

 

 

 

I don't understand the purpose of this post, please explain. TIA

[Strike 6,030]

 

I don't understand the purpose of this post, please explain. TIA

 

I'm pretty sure he was trying to show us why a wall is imperative because otherwise illegals will just keep coming across until they kill someone.

[RLLD 4,275]

 

I'm pretty sure he was trying to show us why a wall is imperative because otherwise illegals will just keep coming across until they kill someone.

 

When did it become the norm that we only communicate with each other through sarcasm? It's frustrating to try and determine who is legitimately holding a conversation and who is a 12 year old girl.....for chrisssake.....