Release the FISA memo

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Chuck Todd in full court press about how it doesn't matter who was behind the Steele dossier.

 

Then incredulous when confronted with the fact that the Dossier is actually proof of DNC - Russian collusion.

 

Then falls back on "no one has seen the warrants".

 

What a slimy worm Todd is.

[cbfalcon 828]

 

Comical............so now that Russians are behind the memo's release.

 

Politico says that's what concerns them? Not the facts supporting the entire Obama administration tried to rig the election to assist Hillary then tried to unseat the elected President?

 

That's beneath you dude.

I dont really care what concerns Politico. I dont really even care about the underwhelming memo.

 

If you have the ability to filter the commentary from the data, it is an interesting read in regards to how easily manipulated our citizens and our politicians are.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

I'm not sure the fact that Gowdy was involved is everything that you will want it to be. First of all it doesn't automatically mean that everything in the memo is 100% correct, or that Gowdy wrote every word or was involved in every piece of the memo. Sho was right when he pointed that out. - Would you agree that where there is difference between what Gowdy is saying and Nunes that the most informed person and the most qualified is Gowdy?

 

Not sure what you're asking there. I am refuting the innuendo that Nunes didn't read the supporting material therefore the memo isn't accurate. That's one of the Democratic narratives being pushed. Gowdy co-wrote this memo and he was one of two HIC that were permitted by DOJ to see this.

 

Have you formulated an opinion or reason why if Carter Page left the Trump campaign in late September 2016, why did the FBI seek a FISA warrant on Carter Page at Trump Tower in October 2016 then continuing it on through July of 2017?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I dont really care what concerns Politico. I dont really even care about the underwhelming memo.

 

If you have the ability to filter the commentary from the data, it is an interesting read in regards to how easily manipulated our citizens and our politicians are.

 

Underwhelming huh..............so you expect our government intelligence agencies to be used to rig our elections and then undo the results?

 

I agree our citizens are easily manipulated. See the aforementioned 'underwhelming' comment as an example of how the MSM has taught you these crimes of SEDITION are no big deal.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

 

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/fusion-chris-steele-media.jpg

 

Pic from the same article highlighted to show Steele shopping the Dossier around at the direction of Fusion GPS in late Sept through Mid October. It's clear they were desperate to get details of it published so they could second source it to the FISA Court.

 

Only problem was Page already left the Trump campaign.

 

Here is another good link from The Jimmy Dore Show - and this guy and his panel ain't no conservatives. They are not even slightly left of center either.

 

 

The whole video is good so take some time as it is 31 minutes long, but he gets a lot out of the way in the first 15 minutes.

 

Some key points:

 

• Representative Lee Zeldin (Rep. New York) publicly acknowledged that McCabe did , IN FACT, testify under oath that their would have been no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier. That testimony was officially recorded as part of the record. Any other reports disputing that are fake.
• The FBI used a Yahoo news article (written by Michael Issikof) TO CORROBORATE the dossier to the FISA court . The problem is that same Yahoo news article was written because Steele HIMSELF was the source of that article with information he HIMSELF leaked to Yahoo. And on top of that they never told the FISA judge about that to obtain the warrants.
• The media and the Democrats have moved the goalposts from "collusion" to "interference". Remember, the whole premise of this investigation is that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate, but now that that has fallen thru they're trying to change the narrative. Getting Trump on corruption charges (unrelated to Russia) was NEVER the focus of the investigation, but now they are going to try and swing it that way.
• The Left portraying this as a "nothingburger" is absolutely false and is part of the changing narrative.
• The left have said the release of the memo as "reckless" as they push the Red Scare narrative all day, every day.
• Glen Greenwald: "The key lesson from the Nunes memo is one that should be applied in all cases (it was supposedly the lesson of Vietnam & Iraq): assertions from self-interested government officials **unaccompanied by corroborating evidence** should not be assumed to be true."
• As liberals, they just shut down whenever they see Adam Schiff guy because he's in so deep with the RUSSIA BS that he's not even doing his real job, which is to serve the people of his constituency.
• Nothing in the memo hurt the security of the country, despite all of the Democrats hysterical claims before the memo was released. All of those claims turned out to be not even remotely true or honest.
• The Deep State intelligence agencies are more powerful than the President and rogue, which should be very troubling for EVERYONE. Chuck Schumer himself said this on the Rachael Maddow show and clearly implied the president should fear them. Of course, Schumer is perfectly OK with it now because he hates Trump.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

Not sure what you're asking there. I am refuting the innuendo that Nunes didn't read the supporting material therefore the memo isn't accurate. That's one of the Democratic narratives being pushed. Gowdy co-wrote this memo and he was one of two HIC that were permitted by DOJ to see this.

 

Have you formulated an opinion or reason why if Carter Page left the Trump campaign in late September 2016, why did the FBI seek a FISA warrant on Carter Page at Trump Tower in October 2016 then continuing it on through July of 2017?

I'm saying that Gowdy is 100% behind Rosenstein and Mueller.

 

You need to take "Trump Tower" out of your claim, not even the memo claims that.

 

As for Page, I see zero problem with eavesdropping on an SVR/FSB asset who is interacting with the likes of Sechin and maybe close Putin aides while claiming involvement in a US presidential campaign.

[drobeski 3,061]

This says it all

 

 

 

that McCabe did , IN FACT, testify under oath that their would have been no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier. That testimony was officially recorded as part of the record.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

Chuck Todd in full court press about how it doesn't matter who was behind the Steele dossier.

 

Then incredulous when confronted with the fact that the Dossier is actually proof of DNC - Russian collusion.

 

Then falls back on "no one has seen the warrants".

 

What a slimy worm Todd is.

 

How can he even say that? Trey Gowdy saw the Warrants.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

This says it all

 

 

 

that McCabe did , IN FACT, testify under oath that their would have been no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier. That testimony was officially recorded as part of the record.

Rep. Stewart of the HSCI said this morning that the memo does not literally state exactly what McCabe said.

[drobeski 3,061]

Rep. Stewart of the HSCI said this morning that the memo does not literally state exactly what McCabe said.

well, if it turns out thats was his testimony, do you concede?

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

well, if it turns out thats was his testimony, do you concede?

Yes obviously the testimony is a plain thing, but just a little while ago Stewart said the memo's statement merely reflected his "intent".

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

By the way check the memo, it claims that the warrant wouldn't have been issued without "information" in the dossier, not literally the dossier itself.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

Rep. Stewart of the HSCI said this morning that the memo does not literally state exactly what McCabe said.

 

Not sure what else to say other than McCabe's testimony is recorded and is part of the record according to Zeldin.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

Not sure what else to say other than McCabe's testimony is recorded and is part of the record according to Zeldin.

Of course but not yet released. Simplest thing would have been to quote McCabe.

[drobeski 3,061]

By the way check the memo, it claims that the warrant wouldn't have been issued without "information" in the dossier, not literally the dossier itself.

what is the difference, information in the dossier is the dossier stop it, youre better than that.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

what is the difference, information in the dossier is the dossier stop it, youre better than that.

 

I like Saints, but it's just word parsing to confuse and misdirect people into thinking it's proof that something MAY not be true.

[Reality 3,125]

By the way check the memo, it claims that the warrant wouldn't have been issued without "information" in the dossier, not literally the dossier itself.

Wow.

[drobeski 3,061]

Wow.

right!

[cbfalcon 828]

 

Underwhelming huh..............so you expect our government intelligence agencies to be used to rig our elections and then undo the results?

 

I agree our citizens are easily manipulated. See the aforementioned 'underwhelming' comment as an example of how the MSM has taught you these crimes of SEDITION are no big deal.

Yes, I can be manipulated as well and have to stay mindful of that.

 

As for my being underwhelmed by the memo....there are a few reasons I havent posted in this thread even once until I posted that story this morning. Primarily, I havent been paying attention to the details of this story at all. When the memo came out Friday, I went ahead and read it. I was left with more questions than answers. I was underwhelmed.

 

But as I said, I can be manipulated as well....So I should probably examine whether or not my general respect for organizations such as the FBI juxtaposed with my lack of respect for Donald Trump as a human being have created an instance here in which Im predisposed to being underwhelmed by this particular memo. Ill think on it. You do the same in regards to your stances.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

what is the difference, information in the dossier is the dossier stop it, youre better than that.

I just watched Gowdy on CBS. He said the FISA application was large and also that it consisted of other information. He said, this morning, that it was not the exclusive information relied upon for the warrant.

 

When the memo says 'information' from the dossier vs 'the dossier' the difference is that 'information' can be independently verified as opposed to just thunking the dossier down on the table and saying 'here'.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I'm saying that Gowdy is 100% behind Rosenstein and Mueller.

 

You need to take "Trump Tower" out of your claim, not even the memo claims that.

 

As for Page, I see zero problem with eavesdropping on an SVR/FSB asset who is interacting with the likes of Sechin and maybe close Putin aides while claiming involvement in a US presidential campaign.

 

 

Are you really disputing Trump Tower was surveilled? Really?

 

Explain Trump bailing out of Trump Tower Nov 18th, 2016 one day after NSA Director Mike Rodgers visited him to spill the beans about the surveillance? Trump moved entire transition team over to his G.C. in Jersey.

 

GCHQ involved (as claimed)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVFJNewX0AAL9zp?format=jpg&name=orig Sure looks like it..........

 

Go back and read who reported Page left the campaign in Sept 2016 (Politico, CNN, etc). The FISA on Page was a sham just to get intel on Trump.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

By the way check the memo, it claims that the warrant wouldn't have been issued without "information" in the dossier, not literally the dossier itself.

 

Shark jumped..........we're done here.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

 

Are you really disputing Trump Tower was surveilled? Really?

 

Explain Trump bailing out of Trump Tower Nov 18th, 2016 one day after NSA Director Mike Rodgers visited him to spill the beans about the surveillance? Trump moved entire transition team over to his G.C. in Jersey.

 

GCHQ involved (as claimed)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVFJNewX0AAL9zp?format=jpg&name=orig Sure looks like it..........

 

Go back and read who reported Page left the campaign in Sept 2016 (Politico, CNN, etc). The FISA on Page was a sham just to get intel on Trump.

Why wouldn't the memo have simply stated that?

[drobeski 3,061]

I just watched Gowdy on CBS. He said the FISA application was large and also that it consisted of other information. He said, this morning, that it was not the exclusive information relied upon for the warrant.

 

When the memo says 'information' from the dossier vs 'the dossier' the difference is that 'information' can be independently verified as opposed to just thunking the dossier down on the table and saying 'here'.

the point is, the dossier information should never have been included, couple that with the alleged testimony of McCabe regarding the dossier. This really isnt hard to understand. Never mind the fact that the FBI director himself publicly discredited the dossier. Just wow!

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

the point is, the dossier information should never have been included, couple that with the alleged testimony of McCabe regarding the dossier. This really isnt hard to understand. Never mind the fact that the FBI director himself publicly discredited the dossier. Just wow!

 

Ok let me ask you this - if the claim that Page traveled to Russia to speak with Rosneft execs and Putin aides was independently verified would that be worth justifying the warrant?

 

And if it hadn't been verified would it be worth obtaining a warrant to verify if it did happen?

 

Note, today Gowdy said that the warrant wouldn't have been granted without the dossier, but at the same time he also did not say that the warrant was wrongfully granted.

[lickin_starfish 2,027]

Hillary and Obama are done in Washington. Why are liberal voters so opposed to seeing them locked up for their crimes? Are they suckled so tightly to Soros's deik that they would let justice be murdered?

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

 

Are you really disputing Trump Tower was surveilled? Really?

 

Explain Trump bailing out of Trump Tower Nov 18th, 2016 one day after NSA Director Mike Rodgers visited him to spill the beans about the surveillance? Trump moved entire transition team over to his G.C. in Jersey.

 

GCHQ involved (as claimed)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVFJNewX0AAL9zp?format=jpg&name=orig Sure looks like it..........

 

Go back and read who reported Page left the campaign in Sept 2016 (Politico, CNN, etc). The FISA on Page was a sham just to get intel on Trump.

 

Gowdy himself said that the Page warrant has absolutely nothing to do with the Trump Tower meeting.

 

Also do you mind reposting that GCHQ link? It's not working for me. Personally I consider the UK an ally, so I'm curious what the point is there.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

...

 

Go back and read who reported Page left the campaign in Sept 2016 (Politico, CNN, etc). The FISA on Page was a sham just to get intel on Trump.

 

Kelly Anne Conway reported this herself at a press conference.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

 

Ok let me ask you this - if the claim that Page traveled to Russia to speak with Rosneft execs and Putin aides was independently verified would that be worth justifying the warrant?

 

And if it hadn't been verified would it be worth obtaining a warrant to verify if it did happen?

 

Note, today Gowdy said that the warrant wouldn't have been granted without the dossier, but at the same time he also did not say that the warrant was wrongfully granted.

 

C'mon, Saints. Now you're just reaching.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Yes, I can be manipulated as well and have to stay mindful of that.

 

As for my being underwhelmed by the memo....there are a few reasons I havent posted in this thread even once until I posted that story this morning. Primarily, I havent been paying attention to the details of this story at all. When the memo came out Friday, I went ahead and read it. I was left with more questions than answers. I was underwhelmed.

 

But as I said, I can be manipulated as well....So I should probably examine whether or not my general respect for organizations such as the FBI juxtaposed with my lack of respect for Donald Trump as a human being have created an instance here in which Im predisposed to being underwhelmed by this particular memo. Ill think on it. You do the same in regards to your stances.

 

I read in black and white and I too was left with more questions than answers.

 

1. Did Fusion GPS pay journalists to second source the Dossier to bolster the FISA application? It was done, but I want to know if they paid for the journalist to do it. If so, the journalist should be tried in the conspiracy.

 

2. Where the fock are McCabe's emails/text messages that were requested? Those should be very telling.

 

3. Why were there 4 separate FISA judges involved?

 

4. Why was the Judge who took Flynn's guilty plea removed (not his decision) from the sentencing of Flynn? He is also a FISA Judge and did he sign off on a warrant? Where are his text messages/emails? Was that why Mueller just held off his sentencing i.e. was the aforementioned recused Judge complicit in some action of the spying?

 

What I've read in the memo as well as what's already been out there is deeply disturbing for the state of our country should we let this continue or let the violators go without criminal prosecution.

 

SEDITION..............RICO Crimes..............TREASON. Try them in military court down in Gitmo and deal with them accordingly.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

C'mon, Saints. Now you're just reaching.

 

Ok thanks for the input. If you guys feel I'm reaching or 'trying too hard' I'll bow out (at least on this). I never try to force a nail.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Ok let me ask you this - if the claim that Page traveled to Russia to speak with Rosneft execs and Putin aides was independently verified would that be worth justifying the warrant?

 

And if it hadn't been verified would it be worth obtaining a warrant to verify if it did happen?

 

Note, today Gowdy said that the warrant wouldn't have been granted without the dossier, but at the same time he also did not say that the warrant was wrongfully granted.

they why did they use it, why did they try to hide that they used it, why did they try to hide that they knew it was first off unverified and they knew it was paid for political opposition research, and that its author was motivated to prevent a trump presidency?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Saints I'm tapping out with you. We're just going over stuff that's been beat to hell. Go back and reread through the thread.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Ok thanks for the input. If you guys feel I'm reaching or 'trying too hard' I'll bow out (at least on this). I never try to force a nail.

 

Uh......................the nail is bent and flattened on top of the board.

[Mr. Hand 482]

Ok thanks for the input. If you guys feel I'm reaching or 'trying too hard' I'll bow out (at least on this). I never try to force a nail.

You are starting to sound like Sho and that’s not good.

[SaintsInDome2006 747]

 

Uh......................the nail is bent and flattened on top of the board.

LOL, one thing I love about you guys is no concession or deferral goes unrewarded. Here's wishing you a great Super Sunday, y'all.

 

ETA - Fwiw here's the Gowdy transcript.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-rep-trey-gowdy-on-face-the-nation-feb-4-2018/?__twitter_impression=true

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://twitter.com/greggjarrett/status/959824077115576321

 

 

 

A 2nd source has now confirmed to me that, in a meeting on January 10, Deputy A-G Rosenstein used the power of his office to threaten to subpoena the calls & texts of the Intel Committee to get it to stop it’s investigation of DOJ and FBI. Likely an Abuse of Power & Obstruction.

 

Oof........

[drobeski 3,061]

https://twitter.com/greggjarrett/status/959824077115576321

 

 

Oof........

tip of the iceberg

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Former Asst. Deputy Director weighs in.

[SenatorRock 708]

Chuck Todd in full court press about how it doesn't matter who was behind the Steele dossier.

 

Then incredulous when confronted with the fact that the Dossier is actually proof of DNC - Russian collusion.

 

Then falls back on "no one has seen the warrants".

 

What a slimy worm Todd is.

 

Elephant in the room. No media will discuss. No dems will acknowledge. No online warriors will address.