Release the FISA memo

[SenatorRock 708]

I'm saying that Gowdy is 100% behind Rosenstein and Mueller.

 

You need to take "Trump Tower" out of your claim, not even the memo claims that.

 

As for Page, I see zero problem with eavesdropping on an SVR/FSB asset who is interacting with the likes of Sechin and maybe close Putin aides while claiming involvement in a US presidential campaign.

 

Does that concern you at all that Gowdy (who co-authored the memo that accuses FISA improprieties) is in support of Mueller?

 

How about the lack of progress after 18 months of unofficial and 8 months official investigating that there have been no indictments or pleas related to actual Russia collusion? (2 indictments for decade old unrelated issues- Manafort and Gates; 2 pleas to process crimes of lying about legal meetings-Papa & Flynn)

 

Has it crossed your mind that "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" could include the same DOJ/FBI corruption that the OIG is investigating?

 

 

Trump Tower wire tapping has not been shown in any official capacity yet. Lots of circumstantial evidence though. Mike Rogers going to TT under the radar on 11/16/16 to inform Trump of illegal spying. Trump Transition Team leaving TT for NJ the very next day. Not to mention the high number of unmasking requests by Rice, Powers, Brennan.

 

Page: What is the evidence he is an asset of Russia? Why has he never been charged with a crime? Just saying he had a business meeting with Russians who were later arrested or who are involved with Russian energy companies is not evidence he is a Russian agent. Going to Moscow for a seminar is not evidence he is a Russian agent. Mueller went to Mosow in 2009 to hand deliver HEU, does that make him a Russian agent?

 

Here is a great visual for tying the pieces of the memo together, seeing the big picture:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2018/02/02/Final_Memo_EpochTimes-1.jpg

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

So in 18 months still no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

 

Contrast that with 6 months and we've found out Hillary/DNC/FBI paid for Russian dirt to take to secure FISA to spy on Trump. Let us not forget the unmasking and leaking of classified info to press.

 

ETA Has anyone on the left even tried explaining away Christopher Steele's bias against Trump getting elected? He testified to as much that he'd do pretty much do anything to avoid Trump getting elected.

 

 

Sedition/RICO baby.....

[IMMensaMind 462]

How does releasing information containing classified information thatbthebintel community and DOJ and some

White House Lawyers argue against because of what it can do...how does that fock people over?

Really?

Its about understanding intel gathering going forward. There is a reason that this has never been done and a reason this should be investigated properly (as the OIG is supposedly doing). This is nothing more than a partisan politics show.

Yeah...Schiff is dirty and Nunes is a good guy...yiuball are crazy enough to believe that BS.

You fight this because you know its not an accurate representation of the process.

You fight it because you have seen the actual underlying information (and Nunes apparently hasnt).

Younfight it because Trumps own handpicked FBI guy is worried about the inaccurate presentation done by a creep like Nunes.

 

So - now that the memo (it's only the first of more,IMO) has been released - what do you suppose you saw in there that {a} endangered National Security, as GooglyEyes claimed, or {b} justified a designation as classified?

 

Or was the claim of 'classified' merely a futile attempt to cover their corrupt asses?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

So - now that the memo (it's only the first of more,IMO) has been released - what do you suppose you saw in there that {a} endangered National Security, as GooglyEyes claimed, or {b} justified a designation as classified?

 

Or was the claim of 'classified' merely a futile attempt to cover their corrupt asses?

This is amateur hour. How are people not seeing this? I guess if you nit pick every little thing, but big picture? Come on.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Does that concern you at all that Gowdy (who co-authored the memo that accuses FISA improprieties) is in support of Mueller?

 

How about the lack of progress after 18 months of unofficial and 8 months official investigating that there have been no indictments or pleas related to actual Russia collusion? (2 indictments for decade old unrelated issues- Manafort and Gates; 2 pleas to process crimes of lying about legal meetings-Papa & Flynn)

 

Has it crossed your mind that "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" could include the same DOJ/FBI corruption that the OIG is investigating?

 

 

Trump Tower wire tapping has not been shown in any official capacity yet. Lots of circumstantial evidence though. Mike Rogers going to TT under the radar on 11/16/16 to inform Trump of illegal spying. Trump Transition Team leaving TT for NJ the very next day. Not to mention the high number of unmasking requests by Rice, Powers, Brennan.

 

Page: What is the evidence he is an asset of Russia? Why has he never been charged with a crime? Just saying he had a business meeting with Russians who were later arrested or who are involved with Russian energy companies is not evidence he is a Russian agent. Going to Moscow for a seminar is not evidence he is a Russian agent. Mueller went to Mosow in 2009 to hand deliver HEU, does that make him a Russian agent?

 

Here is a great visual for tying the pieces of the memo together, seeing the big picture:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2018/02/02/Final_Memo_EpochTimes-1.jpg

Just spitballing here.

 

What if...

 

...Mueller has played this in a way in which the Left has been forced to defend his reputation, calling him utterly credible/honest/etc...just so he could lower the boom on Hillary and Obama and force them to say not a focking thing to object afterwards?

 

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

 

[SenatorRock 708]

Just spitballing here.

 

What if...

 

...Mueller has played this in a way in which the Left has been forced to defend his reputation, calling him utterly credible/honest/etc...just so he could lower the boom on Hillary and Obama and force them to say not a focking thing to object afterwards?

 

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

 

 

Bingo. Given Mueller's actions to date, results made public (no indictments or pleas related to Russia collusion, just process crimes of lying about legal actions or decade old lobbying stuff), the removal of the FISA judge from Flynn's case, the postponement of Flynn's sentencing, the removals of McCabe, Ohr, Strzok, Page, Comey, the refusal to release Comey's leaked classified memos (a crime), the president and top R's standing by Mueller, and his mission to pursue "any and all matters that arise"........ I am beginning to think Mueller is going to the crooked Dems and Obama admin right in the ass.

[SenatorRock 708]

I stole this from somewhere else but it is the best synopsis I have seen of the current state of affairs:

 

And yet we have Democrats from Senators through to journalists and latte sipping schmucks screaming that Republicans and right wing journalists are "Russian agents".

What are we to believe? That Russia is running a spy operation of unprecedented magnitude to force America to retain it's cultural legacy? That Russia is colluding with elements in the US to prevent the left from turning America into something else that's not America? This is the room-temperature IQ problem of it all.

"Collusion with Russia!"

Uhh, OK, but for what purpose?

"Collusion with Russia!"

Okay, I get that, but surely you need to establish a motiv...

"COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA!11!!!11!

The memo?

Well that was nothing earth-shattering. Just an official confirmation of what we all pretty much knew. What was really the most relevant thing in regards to the memo was the reaction of the Democrats to it. I hope you'll allow me to explain via analogy.

Imagine your tires keep getting slashed, your windows broken and your stuff stolen. You've long suspected your neighbour but never really had enough evidence to confront him. Besides, you thought it was better to retain the civility still shared between the two of you.

One day it gets a bit too much. You install hidden cameras and you catch your neighbour in the act. Later you see him in his driveway. "What the ######, Jerry, you stole my lawnmower", you accuse.

"Like ###### I did", says Jerry. "Prove it."

"I can", you say, and you hold up your phone showing footage of him committing the act. You are hoping on some level that he will come clean, take responsibility and ratchet down his bullshit a few notches, at least for a week or two.

Instead he flips you two birds and says "game on, motherfucker."

This is the unfortunate response the Democrats and their media lackeys have provided. No contrition. No series of high level apologies and resignations. Just "###### you, what now ######?"

By trying to push the idea that this memo is a partisan Republican effort to undermine the Mueller Russia investigation (and by the willingness of no small number of TDS sufferers to accept this) they are as much as officially declaring war on the truth.

They are telling everyone paying attention: "There will be no more hands played. There will be no more give and take. The Russia play is for the whole pot. Winner takes all."

The memo didn't reveal anything in it's content. What it revealed in the Democrat's response was that there was no longer any presumption that the law was a constraining factor in DC, and that much of the federal apparatus was in play politically. It was revealed that to the Democrats no rule was too sacred to break, and if caught there would be no apologies, no retractions and no resignations. Just a snide "game on, motherfucker."

It will probably be marked as the point in history where America entered into Highlander politics, at a point where the Connor MacLeod party finally accepted that that The Kurgan party could never be reasoned with nor trusted, because its fundamental premise and only driving motivation was the death of it's adversary by any and all means necessary.

Or in other words, "there can be only one..."

From here on out the entire Democratic apparatus from the party chiefs down to the useful idiots will gamble everything on the Russia collusion farce. It will not matter if Mueller is fired, resigns or stays. It will not matter if they find something or nothing or make something up. It will not matter if Mueller's evidence of wrongdoing comes in the form of a Trump/Putin contract written on a cocktail napkin from the place Mueller gets his lunch every day. It will not matter if the ink is demonstrably still wet when the evidence is presented.

Things are going to get strange going forward. Everything is on the line for the Democratic party of treason. Many if not most know they're destined to live out their days in a concrete cell if the can't regain and retain the Whitehouse. No lie will be too blatant. No murder too obvious. Disturbingly this goes for a seriously consequential number of Republicans too, and some of the most powerful ones at that.

We are about to live through some interesting times.

 

tldr:

 

There is 10x the factual evidence in the memo that Dems used a dossier of phony intel to get an illegal FISA warrant to spy on an opponent's campaign and attempt to derail his presidency (treason) compared to what we have seen in 18 months of any sort of Trump-Russia Collusion.

 

How do the Dems respond to memo? Did they say "I don't believe it, but those are serious allegations, we should look into it to make sure that there were no wrongdoings". This is what the Republican response was to muh Russia. They hired a special prosecutor and provided witness testimony and documents and communications. Let's get to the bottom of it.

 

Did the Dems extend that same courtesy? Nope. They went nuclear. Deny, deflect, distract, project. Flat out declared war on the GOP and Trump.

 

Their entire party is on the line. If the allegations are true they will not survive. Many will end up in prison. Their behavior makes sense with that in mind. This is literally life or death for many of them that are in office or were in office under Obama.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I heard this a.m. that this Gowdy/Nunes memo is the first of five to be released. You've got to believe they're building a construct with these.

 

We know one of the others must contain the unmasking.....just how much more corrupt can the previous admin/Hillary be?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Another interesting fact boys and girls.....May 2017 Mueller is escorted to interview for FBI Director after Comey is removed. Escorted by whom? Rod Rosenstein.

 

Mueller fails to secure job that day and Trump decides he wants somebody new and not someone from the Bush Obama era....i.e. Plan B: their plan to have Mueller cover this up went out the window. Execute Plan C: Very next day Rosenstein appoints him as Special Counsel.

 

JFC....this is some sickening sh!t.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/04/exceptional-work-by-sharyl-attkisson-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures/

 

Sharyl Attkisson picks up from there with her deep dive into exactly what protections are in place, and the extraordinarily high-bar the DOJ needs to pass in order to gain Title I surveillance authority.

 

The point is: There are strict rules requiring that each and every fact presented in an FBI request to electronically spy on a U.S. citizen be extreme-vetted for accuracy and presented to the court only if verified.

Labeling Carter Page a foreign agent of a hostile country i.e. Title I FISA request; most intrusive. By doing so anyone he came in contact with could be intrusively spied upon. That's the way they got on Trump Tower which will probably be contained in other memos.

 

That last line in the quote 'every fact must be verified' is game over for FBI/DOJ/State Dept.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

Clinton associates fed information to Trump dossier author Steele, memo says

 

Clinton associates were "feeding" allegations to former British spy Christopher Steele at the same time he was compiling the controversial anti-Trump dossier paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign, according to an unclassified memo from senior Senate Republicans who recently made a criminal referral.

 

Those Republicans, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had asked the Justice Department in January to investigate Steele based on evidence they say suggests he lied to the FBI about his contacts with the media (a violation of 18 USC 1001) -- or the FBI misrepresented Steele’s statements.

 

The lawmakers are now asking the FBI for an emergency review of their criminal referral so it can be made public, with limited redactions.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/05/clinton-associates-fed-information-to-trump-dossier-author-steele-memo-says.html

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Clinton associates fed information to Trump dossier author Steele, memo says

 

Clinton associates were "feeding" allegations to former British spy Christopher Steele at the same time he was compiling the controversial anti-Trump dossier paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign, according to an unclassified memo from senior Senate Republicans who recently made a criminal referral.

 

Those Republicans, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had asked the Justice Department in January to investigate Steele based on evidence they say suggests he lied to the FBI about his contacts with the media (a violation of 18 USC 1001) -- or the FBI misrepresented Steele’s statements.

 

The lawmakers are now asking the FBI for an emergency review of their criminal referral so it can be made public, with limited redactions.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/05/clinton-associates-fed-information-to-trump-dossier-author-steele-memo-says.html

 

Even bigger than Clinton pals feeding Steele info is this bombshell................State Dept was feeding him info as well.

 

 

 

Not only that, the newly-released criminal referral says Steele actually incorporated information that was funneled to him through Clinton associates and the U.S. State Department where Clinton had served as Secretary of State from 2009 to early 2013. In a memo dated Oct. 19, 2016, Steele wrote that a foreign source who was in touch with “a friend of the Clintons” passed him material through a U.S. State Department connection.

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/372328-senate-documents-show-fbi-trying-to-suppress-release-of-new-trump-dossier

 

 

More co-conspirators for the RICO case.........

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

 

So as late as March 2016 Carter Page was an informant for the FBI i.e. he was working for the FBI. Then six months later they tried labeling him as a foreign agent of a hostile country. You can't make this focking sh!t up.

 

This whole focking setup was a clown show from the get go that they focking knew wouldn't pass the smell test.

[drobeski 3,061]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

 

So as late as March 2016 Carter Page was an informant for the FBI i.e. he was working for the FBI. Then six months later they tried labeling him as a foreign agent of a hostile country. You can't make this focking sh!t up.

 

This whole focking setup was a clown show from the get go that they focking knew wouldn't pass the smell test.

they are dumb

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

So, the indictment on Carter Page? Anything on that?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

So, the indictment on Carter Page? Anything on that?

 

The FBI has to give him severance pay first.............then................then they charge him.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

 

The FBI has to give him severance pay first.............then................then they charge him.

Lol. This is a joke. Anyone who can't see this is trying not to.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Lol. This is a joke. Anyone who can't see this is trying not to.

 

Frankly, I would not be surprised by much of anything the FBI/DOJ tried doing at this point. The fact they were using him until March 2016 as an informant then six months later labels him a foreign agent.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

So, the FBI has Steele give info to a reporter (Isikoff) then uses the news story as part of its application for a FISA warrant. Yup, nothing to see here folks, just move along.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

So, the FBI has Steele give info to a reporter (Isikoff) then uses the news story as part of its application for a FISA warrant. Yup, nothing to see here folks, just move along.

 

Democrats call that "legit".

[SenatorRock 708]

Another interesting fact boys and girls.....May 2017 Mueller is escorted to interview for FBI Director after Comey is removed. Escorted by whom? Rod Rosenstein.

 

Mueller fails to secure job that day and Trump decides he wants somebody new and not someone from the Bush Obama era....i.e. Plan B: their plan to have Mueller cover this up went out the window. Execute Plan C: Very next day Rosenstein appoints him as Special Counsel.

 

JFC....this is some sickening sh!t.

My understanding is that Mueller had already served the max term for director, starting under W and then into Obama's term.

 

Remember the talking point "Drump is so stupid! Mueller CAN'T EVEN be director! What an idiot!"

 

That is how the theory began that Mueller was there for another reason.

 

Like hatching a plan. To create a honey pot. To reel in all the corrupt P.O.S. from DOJ/FBI/Obama.

 

So far, based on Mueller's results wrt Russian collusion and the crumbling of the FBI before our eyes, I'd say that theory has some merit.

[SenatorRock 708]

Here is an article from Forbes, gives a detailed timeline with no political slant. Great piece to share with any friends or family who are not bat crazy to show how this all unfolded.

 

Biased FBI and DOJ Officials Broke The Law And Tried To Decide The Election - an Annotated Timeline

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/02/05/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/#76509d1d7f34

[wiffleball 4,797]

Nunez didn't even read FISA? Then summarized it?

 

 

And it admits warrant request was BC Papadopoulos, not Steele? Jaysus.

 

Shiit show

[lickin_starfish 2,027]

You

Here is an article from Forbes, gives a detailed timeline with no political slant. Great piece to share with any friends or family who are not bat ###### crazy to show how this all unfolded.

 

Biased FBI and DOJ Officials Broke The Law And Tried To Decide The Election - an Annotated Timeline

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/02/05/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/#76509d1d7f34

That is a great summary.

It sickens me to think that these people are going to get away with their crimes. It also sickens me to think that liberal voters are okay with it.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Nunez didn't even read FISA? Then summarized it?

 

 

And it admits warrant request was BC Papadopoulos, not Steele? Jaysus.

 

Shiit show

Wiffleball + Snowflake = Snowball

[wiffleball 4,797]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html#ampshare=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html

 

 

So now we have Nunez going on Fox and Friends saying that he was lying, but even though the visa application did mention the things that Nunez said it didn't before the font was just too small to read? Maybe if Nunez had bothered to read the whole document?

 

For 2 weeks Fox and Nunez and Trump keep telling us this was a huge bombshell. Then it gets released and turns out it's not even a firecracker. Then it turns out the Nunez didn't read anything and now he admits that the that he said ahead of time was all bullshit. But you guys just keep swallowing the same bullshit.

[Reality 3,125]

Wiffle is just mailing it in at this point, sad.

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Nunez didn't even read FISA? Then summarized it?

 

 

And it admits warrant request was BC Papadopoulos, not Steele? Jaysus.

 

Shiit show

You have a concept of what 'co-wrote' means? It means a collabaration.

 

Only 2 people were allowed to view supporting documents. Trey Gowdy co-wrote the memo with Nunes and he did see FISA application.

 

Speaking of sh!t shows, sorry to sh!t on your false narrative.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html#ampshare=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html

 

 

So now we have Nunez going on Fox and Friends saying that he was lying, but even though the visa application did mention the things that Nunez said it didn't before the font was just too small to read? Maybe if Nunez had bothered to read the whole document?

 

For 2 weeks Fox and Nunez and Trump keep telling us this was a huge bombshell. Then it gets released and turns out it's not even a firecracker. Then it turns out the Nunez didn't read anything and now he admits that the ###### that he said ahead of time was all bullshit. But you guys just keep swallowing the same bullshit.

The article you use states 'the FBI did state one of the sources may be political'. Fun fact, it's still a lie because the FBI KNEW that ALL sources were political.

 

Oof....swing and a wiff.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

If libs are stuck on the fact that Papadopoulos was the basis for the warrant, then why can't they admit that the Steele dossier is tainted and should be ignored. What does one have to do with the other?

[drobeski 3,061]

Wiffleball + Snowflake = Snowball

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

If libs are stuck on the fact that Papadopoulos was the basis for the warrant, then why can't they admit that the Steele dossier is tainted and should be ignored. What does one have to do with the other?

Because Papadopoulos on its own is just hear say from a guy drinking in a bar. If that's all it takes to get a Fisa warrant then we can go ahead and close up. Everyone go back to your country of origin. We had a pretty good run.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

If you have to use made up evidence to support your case you have no case.

 

Pretty sure McCabe agrees with me at least that's what his testimony says.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html#ampshare=http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/nunes-fine-the-fbi-didnt-lie-but-its-font-was-too-small.html

 

 

So now we have Nunez going on Fox and Friends saying that he was lying, but even though the visa application did mention the things that Nunez said it didn't before the font was just too small to read? Maybe if Nunez had bothered to read the whole document?

 

For 2 weeks Fox and Nunez and Trump keep telling us this was a huge bombshell. Then it gets released and turns out it's not even a firecracker. Then it turns out the Nunez didn't read anything and now he admits that the ###### that he said ahead of time was all bullshit. But you guys just keep swallowing the same bullshit.

Snowball in full hack mode, attacking Nunes instead of what was actually in the Memo. Here's a hint: Hillary paid for a warrant against her political opponent and the FBI/DOJ did her bidding. Argue that.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Snowball in full hack mode, attacking Nunes instead of what was actually in the Memo. Here's a hint: Hillary paid for a warrant against her political opponent and the FBI/DOJ did her bidding. Argue that.

Don't forget the State Dept, NSA, CIA and Quite possibly the GCHQ.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

So we know the democrats paid almost 12 million dollars to Perkins Coie to give the Fusion GPS. Christopher Steele got about $150,000 of that and you know they didn't give all of that to the Russians. So where did the the 11+ million go?

 

Follow that money....Ohrs, McCabe, Comey, etc.

[IMMensaMind 462]

We know:

 

1. The Dems voted against releasing the Nunes memo.

 

2. The Republican voted unanimously to release the Schiff memo.

 

If you didn't have access to any other bit of information, you know which party is guilty as fock here.

[drobeski 3,061]

We know:

 

1. The Dems voted against releasing the Nunes memo.

 

2. The Republican voted unanimously to release the Schiff memo.

 

If you didn't have access to any other bit of information, you know which party is guilty as fock here.

crickets other than the super tards

[TimmySmith 2,783]

We know:

 

1. The Dems voted against releasing the Nunes memo.

 

2. The Republican voted unanimously to release the Schiff memo.

 

If you didn't have access to any other bit of information, you know which party is guilty as fock here.

Most transparent administration ever.

 

How come little Adam Schiff didn't threaten to sue Trump yesterday after Trump accused him of treasonous behavior?

[SenatorRock 708]

So far, the only people accused of Russian contact are:

 

1. FBI informant Carter Page, he was working with the FBI as an informant and witness as late as March 2016.

 

2. Former Clinton State Department lackey Papadapalas.

 

3. Former Podesta business partner Paul Manafort.

 

Nothing to see here at all.