Release the FISA memo

[IGotWorms 4,063]

All this tells me is trump is desperate

[Sho Nuff 720]

Now that her people aren't running the FBI and DOJ, she should be investigated and prosecuted. She is guilty as fock, and needs to pay the piper.

 

And to be fair, if the Donald is guilty of anything, lock his ass up too.

Donald has had a year in office...with his handpicked DOJ. Yet there has been zero push to go after Hillary.

I think that is pretty telling.

She has been investigated...often and cleared each time.

Should she have been? Im sure an average person wouldnt have gotten off how she did.

 

But at this point...she is basically irrelevant to the country.

Lock her up...great. It wont change Muellers investigation whatsoever. They are unrelated.

[Sho Nuff 720]

All this tells me is trump is desperate

As are his supporters.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

As are his supporters.

No they are easily misled.

[SenatorRock 708]

As shown by the DOJ letter to him...link already been posted before but here you go again.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/370614-doj-official-tells-nunes-itd-be-reckless-to-release-memo-without%3Famp

Again you are wrong.

 

Are you just throwing against the wall and hoping it sticks?

 

Pro Tip: if you are trying to make a point with a link, it helps to quote the relevant part of the link in your post.

 

Nowhere in your link does it claim that Nunes did not review the documents.

[SenatorRock 708]

Gotta love how these fockers thought they were so slick. Feeding FISA judge same info from 'two sources' that were the same unverified Dossier.

 

Was the Yahoo story paid for by Fusion GPS?

Fusion GPS has paid certain journalists to push stories. Not sure if Yahoo is one but it would make sense.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

So, the FBI upper echelon was dishonest (lied) to a Fisa court judge in order to get a warrant to spy on an American citizen and that's no big deal? Wow. Someone tell me why it's not a big deal?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Again you are wrong.

 

Are you just throwing ###### against the wall and hoping it sticks?

 

Pro Tip: if you are trying to make a point with a link, it helps to quote the relevant part of the link in your post.

 

Nowhere in your link does it claim that Nunes did not review the documents.

Read page two of the letter from Boyd. It most certainly does say as I have asserted.

 

Or you can see the recent FoxNews story where he admits it.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/02/nunes-tells-fox-news-memo-was-released-out-public-obligation.html

 

Gowdy and Schiff only

 

Care to admit you were wrong yet?

[cyclone24 1,940]

So, the FBI upper echelon was dishonest (lied) to a Fisa court judge in order to get a warrant to spy on an American citizen and that's no big deal? Wow. Someone tell me why it's not a big deal?

Because dems only like transparency when its republicans?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Because dems only like transparency when its republicans?

Because HTs post wasnt factual. The upper echelon lies? No...the memo doesnt claim that. And the memos claims are even being disputed.

 

If they are proven to have actually lied in order to obtain a warrant...lock them up. This memo doesnt even allege that.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

They didn't tell the judge that the dossier was paid for and gathered at the behest of HRC. Or that Steele was openly hostile towards Trump. That's technically being dishonest, but it's really just a lie. The judge is entitled to all the information that the FBI had. They did not provide that.

[cyclone24 1,940]

Because HTs post wasnt factual. The upper echelon lies? No...the memo doesnt claim that. And the memos claims are even being disputed.

If they are proven to have actually lied in order to obtain a warrant...lock them up. This memo doesnt even allege that.

It really is amazing the nonsense you excuse when its the left.....but are cack sure if there’s any remote allegation vs the right.

 

Its ok...you can say the left screwed this up....they did and we all know it.

 

I mean JFC...25 pages in...Trump is doing this to discredit an ongoing investigation probably because he had people doing shiit they shouldn’t (see...its not that hard)....and dems and the fbi didnt want this released because they and the DNC focked this up.

 

Everyday americans dont give two shiits either way on this.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Anyaway kids, I've been avoiding this whole shitshow, but the last paragraph of the memo? Admits that the dossier wasn't the basis for the Faisal request. You're not going to hear that reported on Fox. But you can do your own research if you're so inclined. Remember that this was the basis of filthy and fox whole deal. That the dossier was purely politically-driven. Even though I was actually started by a conservative website. And therefore the whole thing was tainted? Yeah, now even the killer memo admits that wasn't actually the case. For what it's worth. Resume shitshow.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It really is amazing the nonsense you excuse when its the left.....but are cack sure if theres any remote allegation vs the right.

 

Its ok...you can say the left screwed this up....they did and we all know it.

 

I mean JFC...25 pages in...Trump is doing this to discredit an ongoing investigation probably because he had people doing shiit they shouldnt (see...its not that hard)....and dems and the fbi didnt want this released because they and the DNC focked this up.

 

Everyday americans dont give two shiits either way on this.

First off...the upper echelon of the FBI is not the left.

 

The DNC rocked this up? You want me to dont things...yet you post this?

The DNC has what to do with the possibly false claim that the upper echelon of the FBI lies to a FISA court?

 

Every day Americans should care that a congressman possibly working for the WH is quite possibly spreading partial truths to try and create distrust in a legitimate investigation. Its good you can admit that...Im glad.

If the FBI did lie about it to the judge...anyone who did it should be prosecuted. But the memo doesnt make that actual claim. And the claims made are being disputed.

 

Right now we have Devin Nunes interpretation of Gowdys testimony on the documentation.

[Casual Observer 597]

No they are easily misled.

Hey Little Buddy, can you give us another analysis of the law concerning mishandling of classified information where you omit a discussion of the subsection that Hillary violated? Thanks.

[Reality 3,125]

Pretty scary what the left is ok with, as long as you are going after people or political opponents you disagree with.

 

Scary times we live in.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Pretty scary what the left is ok with, as long as you are going after people or political opponents you disagree with.

 

Scary times we live in.

Who was the political opponent?

 

Seems you are ok with a memo full of partial truths (at best) in order to go after political opponents.

[12th Man 884]

If found to have committed crimes...yes.

You honestly don't see the hilarity in this answer do you?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Anyaway kids, I've been avoiding this whole shitshow, but the last paragraph of the memo? Admits that the dossier wasn't the basis for the Faisal request. You're not going to hear that reported on Fox. But you can do your own research if you're so inclined. Remember that this was the basis of filthy and fox whole deal. That the dossier was purely politically-driven. Even though I was actually started by a conservative website. And therefore the whole thing was tainted? Yeah, now even the killer memo admits that wasn't actually the case. For what it's worth. Resume shitshow.

It doesn't matter if it was the basis or not. The dossier was submitted to the court as part of the reason that a warrant should be issued. Information about that dossier and who wrote it was withheld from the court. That's a problem.

[drobeski 3,061]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/inside-the-hpsci-memo-a-key-distinction-being-conflated-title-i-vs-title-vii/

 

 

Inside The HPSCI Memo A Key Distinction Being Conflated Title I -vs- Title VII

 

 

There is a key distinction being overlooked, perhaps conflated, by many who are reviewing the recently released HPSCI memo as it relates to the outlined targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page.

 

In the HPSCI outline it specifically notes the targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page was NOT a FISA Title VII search request. Title VII is FISA(702), the incidental collection of U.S. person information as it relates to National Security or Counterintelligence operations targeting foreign individuals.

 

 

 

The FISA warrant request, against Carter Page, was made October 21st, 2016, under Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Meaning the surveillance application was specifically stating, to the court, the U.S. individual was likely an actual agent of a foreign government, ie. a spy.

 

 

The DOJ (National Security Division) and the FBI (Counterintelligence Division) were not asking to review ancillary data collected on U.S. Person Carter Page as an outcome of surveillance on a foreign person, or foreign agent; that would be Title 7 (FISA-702).

 

In action outlined within the HPSCI memo, the DOJ and FBI were specifically telling the FISA court they had evidence that U.S. Person Carter Page was working as an agent of a foreign government. He was their target, and therefore requesting direct FISA Title 1 surveillance of that target on October 21st, 2016.

 

To give validity to the underlying position of the DOJ and FBI, the justice department used: the Clinton-Steele Dossier; media reports from -and of- the Clinton-Steele dossier; and opposition research provided by Clinton financed Fusion-GPS through Nellie Ohr, so they could monitor U.S. Person Carter Page.

 

In total, this sketchy assembly of political campaign research was used by the FBI as evidence to back-up their claim U.S. person Carter Page was working as a foreign agent; essentially saying: he was a spy. This application assembly was then certified on four different occasions by specific officials within the DOJ and FBI.

 

Without knowing the court had been provided political research, the FISA Court granted the FBI full surveillance authority for U.S. Person Carter Page. The distinction is rather stark.

 

The FBI were not targeting Page incidentally as an outcome of foreign intelligence collection; the FBI was targeting Carter Page directly. AND as such they carried full surveillance authority upon all of this activities, interactions, communications and contacts therein.

 

Because of this direct approach, any group, organization or entity who came in contact with U.S. Person Carter Page was then open for ancillary review and FBI investigation. Those who engaged in contact with Carter Page became subject to surveillance and searches in the same manner as if Page was an actual foreign agent.

 

Legal commentary thread on #Memo by Robert Barnes:

 

It is important to remember that FISA courts are not like other courts; there needs to be specific evidence of a particular national security threat to circumvent regular federal courts.

 

It is a HIGHER standard because its jurisdiction is LIMITED

FISA courts have LIMITED jurisdiction because the scope of the invasive tools of the NSA is far more INVASIVE than regular wiretaps, due to the SECRET nature of such courts, and from the risk of forum shopping with the limited number and deferential nature of FISA Judges.

 

That is why Congress imposed SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS on access to FISA courts and use of FISA evidence. To access FISA courts, only the highest ranking FBI officials must vet and approve, a high ranking DOJ official must authorize, and they must re-vet and re-approve every 90 days.

 

To spy on Americans through a FISA court, the FBI must show the target is an agent of a foreign power, not merely in contact with a foreign power. The law makes it difficult to show someone is an agent of a foreign power to make sure it is not misused to spy on Americans.

 

The law does not allow the FBI to call an American an agent of a foreign power unless they can show the person knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power AND the nature of their activity is criminalized.

 

Claiming someone is an agent of a foreign power is a difficult standard to ever show, and should never happen to a domestic political opponent in a domestic political campaign. That is why the FBI had to cook the books put a bogus informant on their team & lie to the courts.

 

Trumps winning caused a problem for Comey & Comeys firing caused a problem for Rosenstein. Both Comey & Rosenstein signed off on the bogus affidavits to the FISA court to continue spying on Trump team members post-election and post-inauguration. They needed Mueller to cover up.

 

Key fact about Mueller: he is very close friends with Comey, and was the mentor and close friend of Rosenstein. Mueller is also expert at covering up for lawless law enforcement: see his role with Whitey Bulger, BCCI, HSBC, Waco, Noriega, IRS/Tea Party & Fast & Furious.

 

FISA law protects Americans from lawless spying by masking & deletion of intercepted data. If an Americans conversations are intercepted, his identity must remain hidden, and if no p/c of a crime, his conversations deleted. Hence, the importance of @Cernovich Susan Rice story.

 

FBI turned over their NSA spying capacity to a private lobbying company in order to promote a smear campaign against a domestic political opponent. Fearing being caught, they appointed a special counsel (Mueller) to cover for them by accusing the man (Trump) who might expose them (link)

[drobeski 3,061]

Pretty scary what the left is ok with, as long as you are going after people or political opponents you disagree with.

 

Scary times we live in.

expected, but they'll still be in denial, even when their treasonous heros are headed to prison.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He was a likely (or suspected) foreign agent..your point drobeski?

They try to claim its about Trump...yet the date is after he left the Trump campaign.

And thats after I even read something from that joke of a source of yours.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

So, super spy Carter Page. When is he getting indicted?

[Sho Nuff 720]

expected, but they'll still be in denial, even when their treasonous heros are headed to prison.

Few things

1. Same question as for reality...which political opponent were they going after?

3. Who are the treasonous heroes and what is alleged in this memo that comes even close to treason?

[drobeski 3,061]

He was a likely (or suspected) foreign agent..your point drobeski?

They try to claim its about Trump...yet the date is after he left the Trump campaign.

And thats after I even read something from that joke of a source of yours.

the only joke is you mr eggface

[12th Man 884]

Few things

1. Same question as for reality...which political opponent were they going after?

3. Who are the treasonous heroes and what is alleged in this memo that comes even close to treason?

2 is the loneliest number.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

I love how much these Trump defenders are on tilt that their little memo didn't go their way.

 

Seriously. Keep this thread going. It's the best entertainment I've seen in years. This is even funnier than those that thought Hillary was gonna win.

 

I love how the DNC cucks are on tilt denying there is nothing there, trying to protect themselves from the truth. It's like a cult with you guys. Scientologists are jealous of how conditioned you are.

[drobeski 3,061]

So, super spy Carter Page. When is he getting indicted?

seriously the guy was a spy, you dont think those upstanding men under the direction of that upstanding guy barry hussian obama would go after an american citizen for nothing, do ya ? Wtf

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

My end game is the actual Truth...because I do love this country.

I have not denied any actual proven truth.

So quit with the attempted insult about hating this country. Its weak.

 

There mere fact that you are defending these corrupt officials and the media proves that you really DON'T love America.

 

Remember when you ###### fools were all FOR transparency during the Bush years? And how you applauded Obama's supposed "most transparent administration ever" (which turned out to be the furthest you could get from transparency)?

 

You hypocrites are getting what's coming to you. IN spades. Good luck in 2018 - you just blew it out your ass.

[drobeski 3,061]

This is far from over.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/fkm63chevy/status/959628944277467136

 

All the way up to barry, focking rotten treasonous scumbags

[drobeski 3,061]

 

There mere fact that you are defending these corrupt officials and the media proves that you really DON'T love America.

 

Remember when you ###### fools were all FOR transparency during the Bush years? And how you applauded Obama's supposed "most transparent administration ever" (which turned out to be the furthest you could get from transparency)?

 

You hypocrites are getting what's coming to you. IN spades. Good luck in 2018 - you just blew it out your ass.

none of them do, they are scumbags

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

none of them do, they are scumbags

 

Yep. That's absolutely correct. They love America no more than Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez did.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

A fake rumor can start four congressional investigations, a Special Counsel with 16 prosecutors and allow millions to be spent

But...

Actual testimony and proof that the FBI abused its powers to spy on POTUS political rivals is no big deal

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Yep. That's absolutely correct. They love America no more than Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez did.

rotten to the core, snuff, wiff, worms, bandrus. Real pieces of anti american

[Sho Nuff 720]

Few things

1. Same question as for reality...which political opponent were they going after?

3. Who are the treasonous heroes and what is alleged in this memo that comes even close to treason?

Drobs? Reality?

[drobeski 3,061]

Drobs? Reality?

trump, dont pretend it wasnt clown

Obama down.

[Sho Nuff 720]

A fake rumor can start four congressional investigations, a Special Counsel with 16 prosecutors and allow millions to be spent

But...

Actual testimony and proof that the FBI abused its powers to spy on POTUS political rivals is no big deal

What proof?

Nunes didnt read the evidence...you are struggling with the actually facts again.

And what fake rumor started those things btw?

[Sho Nuff 720]

rotten to the core, snuff, wiff, worms, bandrus. Real pieces of anti american ######

This is BS as you know it.

There is nothing anti American about what Ive said.

You all are seriously crazy...so into your party over everything that you project this complete bull.

Stick with the facts for once drobeski.

[Sho Nuff 720]

trump, dont pretend it wasnt clown

Obama down.

Trump?

Odd...the whole memo was about a warrant on Carter Page that began late in October after he left the Trump campaign.

So...that premise is flawed based on this memo even in its current and likely inaccurate form.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

This is BS as you know it.

There is nothing anti American about what Ive said.

You all are seriously crazy...so into your party over everything that you project this complete bull.

Stick with the facts for once drobeski.

 

Says the guy currently circle-jerking it over at FBGs in your SafeSpace Zone. You guys can't stop the hate and hysteria over there.

 

You got the lid blown off today and all you can do is close your eyes and plug your ears. And now the "Hate America First" crowd is claiming they love America?