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16 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If anyone says that they are either trying to get under your skin or they're just morons.  Could be both.

Sooo.... a Democrat?

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Russian state television news has been framing the Ukraine-US scandal as being about what they call the "Biden crime family".  Trump doesn't escape criticism as Russia seeks to denigrate Ukraine, but they leave out details regarding Trump while hitting Biden and his son with stiff criticism. 

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6 hours ago, riversco said:

I'm done with cbfalcon.

Anyway, the thing to watch for now is Russia making a move.  You can obviously see from troop positioning that Russia is planning some type of massive blitz from the arctic into the US.  Its like Hitler blitzing Europe in WW2 but just much bigger.  Obviously Trump is confident he is ready to move on the democrats and wipe them out since he is pushing all the buttons now. 

 

My best guess at this point is you get waves of renegade alt right groups moving on washington DC to march.  Outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs) like Rolling Thunder which number in the hundreds of thousands seem set to roll into DC at some point during the impeachment process in a show of force.  A lot of ex military in there and they have been recruiting for a long time.  With their strong ties to current military members they should be able to convert a healthy chunk of the military to their cause.  Those that stand in their way, that's when Russia sweeps in with a blitz to places like DC, NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, etc.  Trump will bivouac them at his HQ and just establish his own government.  Trump can do it.  He is strong enough.

I know you are done with me....but for what it's worth, I agree with this post. The arctic blitz can be seen coming from a mile away.......I mean that figuratively, as it's much further away than a mile. But that aside, I agree with this ww3 post completely. Bye bye San Francisco, from the arctic. Boom.

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where i think people will get tripped up is thinking an impeachment with no senate removal will not cause a revolt. or that the charge against trump is not something that will cause a revolt.  thats looking at it backwards.  whats causing the revolt is the collapse in trust in the system among republicans.  that collapse means any event where democrats go after trump can trigger revolt. 

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13 minutes ago, riversco said:

where i think people will get tripped up is thinking an impeachment with no senate removal will not cause a revolt. or that the charge against trump is not something that will cause a revolt.  thats looking at it backwards.  whats causing the revolt is the collapse in trust in the system among republicans.  that collapse means any event where democrats go after trump can trigger revolt. 

Who are these people who are going to revolt?  How many people are we talking about?

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Odd that Trumpers, who are the most bigly patriotic of all Americans according to themselves, are so quick to threaten civil revolt in defense of Orange Jesus.

:headbanger: 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Who are these people who are going to revolt?  How many people are we talking about?

I discussed that before.  But I'll do it again.

In the revolutionary war in 1776, only about 20%-25% of the public revolted.  And most of those were renegades.  The Continental Army was comprised of ex-cons, kids, the unemployed, those down on their luck, people in debt that needed the money, as well as French and Germans who trained and supplied them.  People with actual jobs and especially those with careers sat home.  In fact, the majority of colonists didn't want to revolt at all.  But to get a revolt you actually just get 20% of the public to go along with it plus 1-2 foreign powers.

Trump just needs 20% of the public because most of the rest won't fight either way.  He cobbles together a coalition of outlaw motorcycle gangs, unemployed whites, alt right people, those who have attended Trump rallies, etc and he can reach 20%.  Then leverage connections to get a chunk of the military to support it.  And then top it off with aid from Russia and China.  Its pretty easy for Trump to pull off. 

All the posters in this forum would be considered the types to sit it out and do nothing.

Trump could just openly call for civil war right now and he'd win if he wanted to.

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1 minute ago, riversco said:

I discussed that before.  But I'll do it again.

In the revolutionary war in 1776, only about 20%-25% of the public revolted.  And most of those were renegades.  The Continental Army was comprised of ex-cons, kids, the unemployed, those down on their luck, people in debt that needed the money, as well as French and Germans who trained and supplied them.  People with actual jobs and especially those with careers sat home.  In fact, the majority of colonists didn't want to revolt at all.  But to get a revolt you actually just get 20% of the public to go along with it plus 1-2 foreign powers.

Trump just needs 20% of the public because most of the rest won't fight either way.  He cobbles together a coalition of outlaw motorcycle gangs, unemployed whites, alt right people, etc and he can reach 20%.  Then leverage connections to get a chunk of the military to support it.  And then top it off with aid from Russia and China.  Its pretty easy for Trump to pull off. 

All the posters in this forum would be considered the types to sit it out and do nothing.

And you believe this is something that is likely to happen?

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

And you believe this is something that is likely to happen?

Please read the thread.  You haven't read the thread.  I have supplied a long list of policy experts that believe we're on the verge of civil war.  By asking that question, it makes me think you didn't even read the thread title lol.

But America is the nation where a group of rejects defeated the greatest military in the world in 1776.  And it was done in the same fashion its close to happening today.

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5 minutes ago, riversco said:

Please read the thread.  You haven't read the thread.  I have supplied a long list of policy experts that believe we're on the verge of civil war.  By asking that question, it makes me think you didn't even read the thread title lol.

But America is the nation where a group of rejects defeated the greatest military in the world in 1776.  And it was done in the same fashion its close to happening today.

I'm at work so I'm not going to sit here and read 9 pages on this.  It all sounds a little "coo coo" if you ask me.

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm at work so I'm not going to sit here and read 9 pages on this.  It all sounds a little "coo coo" if you ask me.

If you didn't want to read anything and just wanted to call people names, you could have just made one post for that.  You are at work after all.  Thanks for your input?

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7 minutes ago, riversco said:

If you didn't want to read anything and just wanted to call people names, you could have just made one post for that.  You are at work after all.  Thanks for your input?

Who did I call names?

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On 10/1/2019 at 1:22 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

Who did I call names?

As I said, it sounds like you want to call people names.

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Trump has different public support thresholds compared to the democrats.  The democrats think they win if they get at least 51% to agree to remove him from office.  Trump just needs 20% of the public to agree to revolt and he will win EVERYTHING.  Both parties can actually hit their goals at the same time. Trump recent actions tells me he may have reached his 20% target and is now free to spur a revolt.  I expect Trump to keep pushing forward and making wild statements to force the impeachment so he can get his revolt started in response if this is the case.

The democrats are walking into a trap.

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6 hours ago, riversco said:

Trump has different public support thresholds compared to the democrats.  The democrats think they win if they get at least 51% to agree to remove him from office.  Trump just needs 20% of the public to agree to revolt and he will win EVERYTHING.  Both parties can actually hit their goals at the same time. Trump recent actions tells me he may have reached his 20% target and is now free to spur a revolt.  I expect Trump to keep pushing forward and making wild statements to force the impeachment so he can get his revolt started in response if this is the case.

The democrats are walking into a trap.

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6 hours ago, riversco said:

Trump has different public support thresholds compared to the democrats.  The democrats think they win if they get at least 51% to agree to remove him from office.  Trump just needs 20% of the public to agree to revolt and he will win EVERYTHING.  Both parties can actually hit their goals at the same time. Trump recent actions tells me he may have reached his 20% target and is now free to spur a revolt.  I expect Trump to keep pushing forward and making wild statements to force the impeachment so he can get his revolt started in response if this is the case.

The democrats are walking into a trap.

They can't impeach,  this is all a show hoping to sway the election to the democratics. They impeach,  it goes to trial and team trump can enter all of the evidence of the democratics conspiracy to remove him along with all their dirty corrupt financial dealings regarding Ukraine.  The last the the Democrats want is a real impeachment.  

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On 10/1/2019 at 12:57 PM, riversco said:

I discussed that before.  But I'll do it again.

In the revolutionary war in 1776, only about 20%-25% of the public revolted.  And most of those were renegades.  The Continental Army was comprised of ex-cons, kids, the unemployed, those down on their luck, people in debt that needed the money, as well as French and Germans who trained and supplied them.  People with actual jobs and especially those with careers sat home.  In fact, the majority of colonists didn't want to revolt at all.  But to get a revolt you actually just get 20% of the public to go along with it plus 1-2 foreign powers.

Trump just needs 20% of the public because most of the rest won't fight either way.  He cobbles together a coalition of outlaw motorcycle gangs, unemployed whites, alt right people, those who have attended Trump rallies, etc and he can reach 20%.  Then leverage connections to get a chunk of the military to support it.  And then top it off with aid from Russia and China.  Its pretty easy for Trump to pull off. 

All the posters in this forum would be considered the types to sit it out and do nothing.

Trump could just openly call for civil war right now and he'd win if he wanted to.

I think this is a little short sighted. 

A good portion of those who would be content to sit out a civil war against fellow Americans would absolutely get off the couch if a foreign country's military invaded. It would be a whole different animal at that point. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, riversco said:

As I said, it sounds like you want to call people names.

Nope, didn't want to call anyone names.  I try to stick to people's comments and not the person themselves.  It can be hard to do many times but I do try.

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4 hours ago, 5-Points said:

I think this is a little short sighted. 

A good portion of those who would be content to sit out a civil war against fellow Americans would absolutely get off the couch if a foreign country's military invaded. It would be a whole different animal at that point.

China has 1.3 billion people.  The US has 350 million.  China can raise a much bigger army.  China would wipe out people who resist Trump.  See, that's the thing the people on the left don't get.  The left has pissed off Russia and China to the point where they are gonna to come in and put you down.  The left has spent years now trying to make Russia the villains on the global stage and its really pissing them off.  China is their buddy.  They both want you gone.  Trump wants you gone.  About half the US wants you gone.  Quit making enemies.

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2 hours ago, riversco said:

China has 1.3 billion people.  The US has 350 million.  China can raise a much bigger army.  China would wipe out people who resist Trump.  See, that's the thing the people on the left don't get.  The left has pissed off Russia and China to the point where they are gonna to come in and put you down.  The left has spent years now trying to make Russia the villains on the global stage and its really pissing them off.  China is their buddy.  They both want you gone.  Trump wants you gone.  About half the US wants you gone.  Quit making enemies.

This is where we are now. A large segment of American society (20% by Riversco’s account) consider the good guys to be the team of Trump/Russia/China. Then half of America is the new evil. 
 

Good stuff. Treasonous, but good entertaining stuff.

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1 minute ago, cbfalcon said:

This is where we are now. A large segment of American society (20% by Riversco’s account) consider the good guys to be the team of Trump/Russia/China. Then half of America is the new evil. 
 

Good stuff. Treasonous, but good entertaining stuff.

Treasonous?  Whose side is trying to take down a lawfully elected President with lies, smears, and unfounded accusations?

You're side is so destroyed by their election loss that they are doing everything possible to get rid of him, INCLUDING enlisting foreign help on dossiers and naked pictures of Trump.

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Treasonous?  Whose side is trying to take down a lawfully elected President with lies, smears, and unfounded accusations?

You're side is so destroyed by their election loss that they are doing everything possible to get rid of him, INCLUDING enlisting foreign help on dossiers and naked pictures of Trump.

The law allows for the taking down of a President. 
 

But if 20% of Americans fight alongside Russia and China to kill all the liberals, yes I think it’s treasonous.....But I’m no legal expert, so I’m probably wrong and it’s probably ok. Unsure. 

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29 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

This is where we are now. A large segment of American society (20% by Riversco’s account) consider the good guys to be the team of Trump/Russia/China. Then half of America is the new evil. 
 

Good stuff. Treasonous, but good entertaining stuff.

What kind of retard assembled that team ? 

Didnt the Russians become our omg main enemy right around the election? 

Didnt they meddle on Obama's watch ? 

Barry is the head coach of team treason.

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11 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

The law allows for the taking down of a President. 
 

But if 20% of Americans fight alongside Russia and China to kill all the liberals, yes I think it’s treasonous.....But I’m no legal expert, so I’m probably wrong and it’s probably ok. Unsure. 

The law allows it for high crimes. What is the high crime you  think he committed? 

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12 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

The law allows for the taking down of a President. 

But if 20% of Americans fight alongside Russia and China to kill all the liberals, yes I think it’s treasonous.....But I’m no legal expert, so I’m probably wrong and it’s probably ok. Unsure. 

The law doesn't allow you to make  up as you go along to undo election results.  It also requires, y'know, actual evidence.  Not hearsay, anonymous sources and make believe unicorn fairy tales.

The treason is that your side seems to think you can do all that stuff to undo elections you don't like.

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3 hours ago, riversco said:

China has 1.3 billion people.  The US has 350 million.  China can raise a much bigger army.  China would wipe out people who resist Trump.  See, that's the thing the people on the left don't get.  The left has pissed off Russia and China to the point where they are gonna to come in and put you down.  The left has spent years now trying to make Russia the villains on the global stage and its really pissing them off.  China is their buddy.  They both want you gone.  Trump wants you gone.  About half the US wants you gone.  Quit making enemies.

I'm a conservative/libertarian and a gun nut. If, for any reason, a foreign military invaded our country they would be my enemy, regardless whose side they pretended to be on. I have no desire to engage in civil war but I would absolutely defend my country against an invasion by the likes of Russia or China. 

Your scenario of Russia or China helping the right in a civil war redux would not turn out the way you think it will. 

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Treason can only be commited by siding with our enemies. Ukraine is not an enemy. Get it straight libtards. 

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Treason can only be commited by siding with our enemies. Ukraine is not an enemy. Get it straight libtards. 

Isn’t treason just betraying your country?  It doesn’t have to involve siding with the enemy does it?  

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Isn’t treason just betraying your country?  It doesn’t have to involve siding with the enemy does it?  

Yes it does.  

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8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it does.  

Not necessarily. Levying war against our government is also treason. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not necessarily. Levying war against our government is also treason. 

Which would make you an enemy. Just agree that went down with the Ukraine isn't treason and educate your fellow libs.  

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20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it does.  

I made this same argument. Apparently to some it doesn't.

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Sometimes civil war begins slowly, by a breakdown of basically everything.

What if the assault on police officers increases? Antifa? I still don’t know what the hell they are all about.  Demonstrations that block roadways increase, disrupting our ability to get to work, or to the grocery store? What if unions increasingly strike and impact food production or transportation of goods?  Food tampering? An attack on a large water supply, or on the electric grid?

Currently stores can run out of food from the threat of a snowstorm. No one really has enough food to last more than a week. What happens when the basics break down?

i won’t go back to 1776, but governments around the world have been turned over in recent history and it hasn’t been pretty. The goal was change, and destruction seems to be the means that justified the end. Venezuela is a change that many want to scoff at. Beirut was a thriving city before it was destroyed. The China revolution really scares me if that is the course that is followed. Wealth was stripped from anyone with money. Where is the line drawn on who exactly is “wealthy?” Educators were sent to the fields and replaced by those who followed the new party line.

What concerns me is what happens when chaos erupts? How will your neighbors react if basics are in short supply, communications are spotty and they need food or water for their families? 

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1 minute ago, Old School said:

 

What concerns me is what happens when chaos erupts? How will your neighbors react if basics are in short supply, communications are spotty and they need food or water for their families? 

I think it’s obvious. If the basics are in short supply, neighbors will start killing anyone that they can tell is a Lib, which will be obvious based on the Libs haircuts. 

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7 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

I think it’s obvious. If the basics are in short supply, neighbors will start killing anyone that they can tell is a Lib, which will be obvious based on the Libs haircuts. 

Your constant passive aggressive posts are very telling. :overhead:

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3 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Your constant passive aggressive posts are very telling. :overhead:

The prettier people think my posts are hilarious. 

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5 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

The prettier people think my posts are hilarious. 

So passive. Very cute 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rage-brings-civil-war-000456386.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-trumps-rage-brings-civil-war-where-will-the-military-stand

A look at political divide emerging in the military, with top brass criticizing Trump and rank-and-file members swooning to him

 

A view from the inside indicates the armed forces are as divided as the rest of the country—and divided is a dangerous place for the U.S. military to find itself.

Not too long ago, the majority of those serving in the military would have identified themselves as Reagan Republicans. But just as that brand of Republicanism has been replaced by Trumpism among civilian Republicans, so too has it seeped into the armed forces, and by these standards, even Ronald Reagan would be viewed as a socialist.

Recent polling shows that among military veterans, approval ratings for Trump are higher than among the civilian population. In my experience, the support for Donald Trump among a large segment of the U.S. military is downright cult-like.

[ Trump ] tweeted juvenile insults about retired 4-star generals like Colin Powell, John Allen, Stanley McCrystal, Michael Hayden and Martin Dempsey. Several of these decorated, battle-hardened generals, were life-long Republicans who had devoted their lives to serving their country. Yet they believed so strongly that Trump was a national security danger they took the extraordinary step of breaking with military tradition to criticize him publicly.

In normal times, this would have dealt a severe blow to any campaign and made a serious dent in support among the military. But the attacks by the generals, and Trump’s willingness to return fire, only endeared him to the rank and file more.

Once Trump had secured the Republican nomination, [ the generals] panic led to a less-then-transparent attempt to help [ Hillary Clinton's ] candidacy by criticizing Trump’s sophomoric approach to national security. It backfired supremely, and only strengthened Trump’s support among the troops.

Despite all this, the devotion to Trump by a large segment of the military was unwavering. Hearing military personnel, including Vietnam veterans, parrot Trump’s attacks against John McCain, who spent five agonizing years as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, was shocking and unsettling. It was the rank and file, not the generals, Trump was courting with his calls for military parades.

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