Fears of a second civil war grow among democrat & republican pundits

[supermike80 1,928]

30 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

I don't want to make a game of a war where potentially millions would die.

It's only millions is you keep the game on expert.  Lower the difficulty down to novice..

[RLLD 4,254]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

What does this have to do with womanly emotions led sour grapes sore loser Trumptards calling for martial law and an election do-over?

 

I have no idea, please tell me why any of this is relevant.

[MDC 7,486]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I have no idea, please tell me why any of this is relevant.

Ask Justin. He’s the one who posted an article about sore loser tiitty baby Trumptards calling for martial law cause it was still his turn!

Focking losers.    

[OldMaid 2,130]

When do we get our cosplay uniforms?

[RLLD 4,254]

36 minutes ago, MDC said:

Ask Justin. He’s the one who posted an article about sore loser tiitty baby Trumptards calling for martial law cause it was still his turn!

Focking losers.    

Oh, ok, then I will continue to see it as irrelevant.  Now, back to the actual discussion for a minute, I have to wonder if fractures in the leftists party will result in the mob taking its direction from elsewhere, some leaders who are less concerned with law and order.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,503]

Obama appears to be stoking the flames within the party lately. It’s what he does best during his softball interviews with fanboys. 

[Drizzay 723]

Is this the new 'Hyperinflation is coming' thread?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-secretary-state-says-armed-035400636.html

Michigan secretary of state says armed protesters gathered outside her home
Tim Stelloh
NBC NewsSun, December 6, 2020, 7:54 PM PST

Dozens of armed people gathered outside Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's home over the weekend "shouting obscenities" and threatening violence in an effort to overturn the presidential election results in the state, she said Sunday.

Benson and her 4-year-old son had just finished decorating their home for Christmas and were about to watch "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" when the group arrived, she said in a statement.

"The demands made outside my home were unambiguous, loud and threatening," she said. "They targeted me in my role as Michigan's Chief Election Officer.

"Through threats of violence, intimidation and bullying, the armed people outside my home and their political allies seek to undermine and silence the will and voices of every voter in this state, no matter who they voted for," she said.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Basically, this is the Boston Massacre tactic.  In the Boston Massacre, dissidents showed up to harass police and elected officials, trying to get them to inflict violence in retaliation.  A redcoat fired a shot and suddenly it was on.  The news of the skirmish was spread far and wide to drum up support for revolt.  These protestors are trying to get martyred to spark a civil war.  They could keep showing up at homes of public officials until someone makes a mistake.

[RLLD 4,254]

3 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-secretary-state-says-armed-035400636.html

Michigan secretary of state says armed protesters gathered outside her home
Tim Stelloh
NBC NewsSun, December 6, 2020, 7:54 PM PST

Dozens of armed people gathered outside Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's home over the weekend "shouting obscenities" and threatening violence in an effort to overturn the presidential election results in the state, she said Sunday.

Benson and her 4-year-old son had just finished decorating their home for Christmas and were about to watch "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" when the group arrived, she said in a statement.

"The demands made outside my home were unambiguous, loud and threatening," she said. "They targeted me in my role as Michigan's Chief Election Officer.

"Through threats of violence, intimidation and bullying, the armed people outside my home and their political allies seek to undermine and silence the will and voices of every voter in this state, no matter who they voted for," she said.

I infer that since these acts are being labeled as violence, intimidation and bullying these must be people supporting the Trump campaign, other wise they would be mostly peaceful protesters....

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Little bit of talk on Rush Limbaugh regarding revolution recently.  The last part caught my eye.  Is there some sort of secret big revolt in the planning stages that Rush has caught wind of but doesn't want to say?

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/12/04/where-do-you-see-60-million-americans-rising-up-to-defend-their-country/

I’m Sorry, But I Don’t See Millions of Americans Rising Up to Defend the Country

Dec 4, 2020

CALLER: I was going to start off to say I think you underestimate the power of the people. I don’t know that that’s true, but I do think there’s a big underestimation of the power of the people. There are at least 50, 60 million people that know this election was fraud, and I was always taught that if you want something to change, you vote somebody in.

Well, that’s gone. The only thing left is revolution! Now, I don’t want to speak of grabbing guns and taking my country back, but we could do it peacefully. But we won’t accept it. We can’t. We have to stand up, and I think that there’s enough of us out here. We don’t need another bombshell to know what happened. We’re tired of it.

RUSH: You said, “There’s millions of people out there, the American people; we are not gonna stand for it. We know this was fraud.” When you say “revolution,” what are you talking about?

RUSH: I don’t see any evidence of it! I’m sorry. I’ve been watching blue states burn. I’ve been watching private property burn. I’ve been watching private property be looted.

This is like, I think, the fifth caller today who has pointed out that there are millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of Americans who are fit to be tied and they know exactly what’s going on. “They see the fraud, they know the fraud, and they’ve had it, and they’re not gonna put up with it anymore. You just wait.”

Okay. (interruption) Well, 60 million, that was the projection for the Trump MAGA radio rally here. But… (sigh) Look, I’m not trying to be a smart aleck here, folks. But I don’t… (sigh) I don’t see any evidence that there are 10 people out there. I don’t know. I better quit while I’m ahead here, or maybe those of you calling and telling me these things — maybe you know something I don’t know.

 

 

[nobody 2,691]

Why is it the crazies on both sides seem to be the loudest voices?  That's what he's saying.  He just doesn't want to say it because crackpots make up a decent percentage of his audience and he knows it.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

On 12/3/2020 at 10:00 AM, OldMaid said:

When do we get our cosplay uniforms?

I sure hope the colors are pretty. 

[5-Points 3,566]

10 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-secretary-state-says-armed-035400636.html

Benson and her 4-year-old son had just finished decorating their home for Christmas and were about to watch "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" when the group arrived, she said in a statement.

 

Apropos.  

[OldMaid 2,130]

33 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I sure hope the colors are pretty. 

I’m going to need a BB gun that will fit into my purse. 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

I’m going to need a BB gun that will fit into my purse. 

 

You can get an air soft hand gun. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

Why is it the crazies on both sides seem to be the loudest voices?  That's what he's saying.  He just doesn't want to say it because crackpots make up a decent percentage of his audience and he knows it.

The American Revolution in 1776 was a very small segment of the population, mostly a bunch of fringe groups.  Maybe 25% of the population revolted.  The overwhelming majority wanted to stay a colony.  John Hancock was a loud voice and a hothead.  So was Jefferson.  The Continential Army was comprised of homeless, people who were dirt poor and desperately needed the money offered by the Continental congress, criminals who wanted to fight, and foreign hired hands.  That group was able to beat the British Empire because they were able to get help from foreign powers (Russia and Germans).  

The two sides are playing different games and both can achieve their goals but only one can win.  The left is trying to get over 50% in elections.  And then over on the far right you have a group trying to get 20-25% of the public willing to revolt.  Russia is sitting there refusing to recognize Biden as President Elect because if things turn into a war, they are entering on the side of the republicans.  And China will also enter on the side of the republicans (Russia and China are huge allies) but just not immediately.

If John Hancock, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, etc were alive today, they'd be backing Trump and trying to get a revolt going.  Its not about proving a rigged election.  That wouldn't matter.  It would be about getting people willing to fight against the left.  Its about making all sorts of claims until people grab a gun and fight for you.

So what you are saying is true but those loud fringe groups on the right are probably going to WIN.

[nobody 2,691]

You have 0.01% of the population willing to volunteer other people to revolt.  Not the same thing.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

40 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The American Revolution in 1776 was a very small segment of the population, mostly a bunch of fringe groups.  Maybe 25% of the population revolted.  The overwhelming majority wanted to stay a colony.  John Hancock was a loud voice and a hothead.  So was Jefferson.  The Continential Army was comprised of homeless, people who were dirt poor and desperately needed the money offered by the Continental congress, criminals who wanted to fight, and foreign hired hands.  That group was able to beat the British Empire because they were able to get help from foreign powers (Russia and Germans).  

The two sides are playing different games and both can achieve their goals but only one can win.  The left is trying to get over 50% in elections.  And then over on the far right you have a group trying to get 20-25% of the public willing to revolt.  Russia is sitting there refusing to recognize Biden as President Elect because if things turn into a war, they are entering on the side of the republicans.  And China will also enter on the side of the republicans (Russia and China are huge allies) but just not immediately.

If John Hancock, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, etc were alive today, they'd be backing Trump and trying to get a revolt going.  Its not about proving a rigged election.  That wouldn't matter.  It would be about getting people willing to fight against the left.  Its about making all sorts of claims until people grab a gun and fight for you.

So what you are saying is true but those loud fringe groups on the right are probably going to WIN.

Nah. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

48 minutes ago, nobody said:

You have 0.01% of the population willing to volunteer other people to revolt.  Not the same thing.

Politics is shifting ground.  One of the big things that sparked the American Revolution was the Boston Massacre.  Let's say today you are correct and no-one is ready to do it.  If Authorities open fire on republican crowds that protest the election, that number might go way up.  So they are out there protesting at the homes of elected and government officials.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

5 hours ago, Rusty Syringes said:

Nah. 

Im not doing this to convince you of anything.  I do this to discuss how we can prevent civil war.  I do this to discuss how to prepare in case it happens, or convince people they should take precautions. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,871]

On 12/7/2020 at 8:21 AM, JustinCharge said:

Basically, this is the Boston Massacre tactic.  In the Boston Massacre, dissidents showed up to harass police and elected officials, trying to get them to inflict violence in retaliation.  A redcoat fired a shot and suddenly it was on.  The news of the skirmish was spread far and wide to drum up support for revolt.  These protestors are trying to get martyred to spark a civil war.  They could keep showing up at homes of public officials until someone makes a mistake.

Can’t one argue this has been the BLM/Antifa playbook for over 6 months?

[RLLD 4,254]

6 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Im not doing this to convince you of anything.  I do this to discuss how we can prevent civil war.  I do this to discuss how to prepare in case it happens, or convince people they should take precautions. 

Simple place to start.....if someone disagrees with you that is OK, it does not make them racist/sexist/transphibic/islamaphoic or what ever term you want to use to make them evil.

We can disagree without creating villians.....simple but effective

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Simple place to start.....if someone disagrees with you that is OK, it does not make them racist/sexist/transphibic/islamaphoic or what ever term you want to use to make them evil.

We can disagree without creating villians.....simple but effective

This won't happen. 

You have too many people (not even sure what "group" they belong to) that cancel culture is the ONLY way to go. Don't wear a mask? Trump supporter and you must be gotten rid of. Trump supporter? You are automatically a white supremacist, gun toting, Nazi. You are the enemy. Doesn't matter how long you've know someone, how they've voted in the past, or what. You must be labeled and meet these requirements, if you do not, you are destroyed. 

[nobody 2,691]

7 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Im not doing this to convince you of anything.  I do this to discuss how we can prevent civil war.  I do this to discuss how to prepare in case it happens, or convince people they should take precautions. 

How should we prepare? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

So I need to stock up on rice is what you're saying?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

So I need to stock up on rice is what you're saying?

Make sure you have a good shovel to dig your foxhole too.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Make sure you have a good shovel to dig your foxhole too.

I was thinking about that but too much work.  I can just empty the pool and throw a giant tarp over it.  Fock now I need to buy a tarp.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

I guess I'll have to go through my "bug out" bag for expired dried food. 

[RLLD 4,254]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

This won't happen. 

You have too many people (not even sure what "group" they belong to) that cancel culture is the ONLY way to go. Don't wear a mask? Trump supporter and you must be gotten rid of. Trump supporter? You are automatically a white supremacist, gun toting, Nazi. You are the enemy. Doesn't matter how long you've know someone, how they've voted in the past, or what. You must be labeled and meet these requirements, if you do not, you are destroyed. 

You could change a few monikers in that statement and be describing prewar Germany back in the day.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,503]

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Make sure you have a good shovel to dig your foxhole too.

A spoon will do. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

A spoon will do. 

Maybe by the time I finish digging the hole the war will be upon us.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

How should we prepare? 

ive answered this many times. as far back as 2-3 years ago, i said get a passport, make a plan to be out of the country.  of course get a gun.  more recently its getting more difficult for either so find a gun substitute and maybe look for a rural area to shelter in.  but if you have ideas go for it.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The Arizona republican party effectively called for civil war today:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-republican-party-calls-supporters-174207172.html

Arizona Republican Party Calls on Supporters to Fight to the Death For Trump: ‘Live for Nothing, or Die for Something’

Brittany Bernstein

Tue, December 8, 2020, 9:42 AM PST

Tweets by the Arizona Republican Party calling on people give their lives to support President Trump’s attempts to contest the 2020 election sparked backlash on Tuesday.

The @AZGOP Twitter retweeted a post by Ali Akbar, a national organizer for “Stop the Steal,” saying, “I am willing to give my life for this fight.”

“He is. Are you?” The party, led by Chairwoman Kelli Ward, wrote.

The account also shared a clip from Rambo in a now-deleted tweet with the caption, “This is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something.”

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Texas called for the election to be suspended and not make Biden president-elect today.  They also sued several states to stop the election:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-asks-u-supreme-court-152630191.html

Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election

Makini Brice

Tue, December 8, 2020, 7:26 AM PST

Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election

Makini Brice

Tue, December 8, 2020, 7:26 AM PST

By Makini Brice

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The state of Texas, aiming to help President Donald Trump upend the results of the U.S. election, said on Tuesday it has sued Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin at the Supreme Court, calling changes those states made to election procedures amid the coronavirus pandemic unlawful.

The long-shot lawsuit, announced by the Republican attorney general of Texas Ken Paxton, was being filed directly with the Supreme Court rather than with a lower court, as is permitted for certain litigation between states. The Supreme Court has a 6-3 conservative majority including three justices appointed by Trump.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

You could change a few monikers in that statement and be describing prewar Germany back in the day.

It totally does. I recently watched a few of the documentaries mentioned about the einsatzgruppen and how the different/smaller militias were initially formed. It's frightening. Especially when you have leaders telling their citizens to rat each other out if they aren't following mandates. 

[RLLD 4,254]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

It totally does. I recently watched a few of the documentaries mentioned about the einsatzgruppen and how the different/smaller militias were initially formed. It's frightening. Especially when you have leaders telling their citizens to rat each other out if they aren't following mandates. 

If one is intellectually honest, the parallels between the current Democrat party and the pre-war German socialists is rather spot on.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

This election outcome will not be acceptable.  Too many republicans will get up and fight when faced when the reality that Biden really and truly is the president-elect.  I give it about an 85% chance of civil war if the government makes Biden president-elect.  I think its too late to stop this.  The only reason it has not started is many republicans believe Trump can stop the election.  Be safe.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

11 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Im not doing this to convince you of anything.  I do this to discuss how we can prevent civil war.  I do this to discuss how to prepare in case it happens, or convince people they should take precautions. 

You must be a joy to live with.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Just now, Rusty Syringes said:

You must be a joy to live with.

could you imagine living with rusty?  calling everyone lickspittles all day?