Fears of a second civil war grow among democrat & republican pundits

[Bill E. 703]

It is almost depressing.  A cop in a liberal Dem run city and state kills someone and the people riot in all the liberal run cities.  If he had just said WOW you have a problem let me know what you want me to do, the liberals could have fought with ANTIFA.  If they tried blaming him he could have said " You Dems run the city and state.  Leave my name out of it."  But instead he went on about dominating the rioters and the libs spun it into Donald wants to put down peaceful protestors.  Libs turned ANTIFA into allies.  Now people say Trump handled it poorly when it was a cop who worked for a D Mayor and D Gov.  I wish he would not fight every battle. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

13 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I have respect for Mattis as a field general and will separate that part of his career and save it from criticism.  But he's at core a neocon globalist who had no business having such a prominent post in President Trump's White House and everything he did in Washington was and continues to be focked up. A$$hole.

What I'm hearing is the rank and file military soldiers are mostly in the alt right camp at this point and the officers and generals keep trying to stamp it out which only makes the divide worse.  The military will tear in half like the nation.  Trump has excellent political instincts and knows if he tries to fight every battle, the rank and file military will wind up completely in in his camp when shiit goes down.

[Voltaire 5,317]

25 minutes ago, riversco said:

What I'm hearing is the rank and file military soldiers are mostly in the alt right camp at this point and the officers and generals keep trying to stamp it out which only makes the divide worse.  The military will tear in half like the nation.  Trump has excellent political instincts and knows if he tries to fight every battle, the rank and file military will wind up completely in in his camp when shiit goes down.

One thing to also keep in mind is that the military has tons of minorities in the ranks and all units are fully integrated..

[JustinCharge 2,397]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

One thing to also keep in mind is that the military has tons of minorities in the ranks and all units are fully integrated..

Black enlisted personnel was at 19% in 2015.  It is 12% latino, but most of them consider themselves white instead of black if they had to choose.  That's why you have to be VERY careful with terms like "fully integrated" and the definition of "white".  The media wants to clearly separate latinos and whites as 2 different groups, but many latinos classify themselves as white.  The media doesn't want you to know that.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/

Also, in a civil war situation, ex-military are gonna participate, and the further you go back, the less blacks and latinos you will find.

[vuduchile 1,945]

3 hours ago, Bill E. said:

It is almost depressing.  A cop in a liberal Dem run city and state kills someone and the people riot in all the liberal run cities.  If he had just said WOW you have a problem let me know what you want me to do, the liberals could have fought with ANTIFA.  If they tried blaming him he could have said " You Dems run the city and state.  Leave my name out of it."  But instead he went on about dominating the rioters and the libs spun it into Donald wants to put down peaceful protestors.  Libs turned ANTIFA into allies.  Now people say Trump handled it poorly when it was a cop who worked for a D Mayor and D Gov.  I wish he would not fight every battle. 

Trump obviously has to comment on the issue given the protests,  but I agree that he fumbled away a political opportunity here.  
 

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-plan-slash-us-troops-sparks-concern-germany-091419577.html

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/12/troops-europe-face-limbo-following-canceled-exercise-travel-ban.html

A bit of news flying under the radar.

While Russia continues to mass troops near europe and conducts large navy exercises on the europe side of its nation, Trump abruptly announces the withdrawal of about 10,000 troops (there are 34,500 currently stationed there) from Germany, which greatly alarms Germany Chancellor Merkel.  The DEFENDER-Europe 20 was already scaled back and largely cancelled earlier this year. 

Watch. Read.  Pay attention to the shifting ground.

 

U.S. decision to withdraw troops from Germany "unacceptable" - Merkel ally
ReutersJune 7, 2020, 11:49 PM PDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany's coordinator for transatlantic ties has criticised U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw thousands of troops from Germany.

Trump has ordered the U.S. military to remove 9,500 troops from Germany, a senior U.S. official said on Friday.

"This is completely unacceptable, especially since nobody in Washington thought about informing its NATO ally Germany in advance," Peter Beyer, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives, told the Rheinische Post newspaper.

Following Trump's decision, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a newspaper interview that he regretted the planned withdrawal of U.S. soldiers from Germany, describing Berlin's relationship with the United States as "complicated".

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Trump plan to slash US troops sparks concern in Germany
Michelle FITZPATRICK
AFPJune 8, 2020, 12:09 AM UTC

Germany hosts more US troops than any other country in Europe, a legacy of the Allied occupation after World War II (AFP Photo/Christof STACHE)

Frankfurt am Main (AFP) - Germany on Sunday voiced concern at reports that President Donald Trump plans to cut the number of US troops stationed in Germany, amid fears it could weaken a key pillar of NATO defence in the region.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said both countries stood to gain from close cooperation even if the transatlantic relationship had become "complicated" under Trump.

Other senior politicians in Berlin were more blunt, slamming the plan as the latest blow to US-German ties and a potential security risk.

"Should it come to the withdrawal of part of the US troops, we take note of this," Maas told the Bild am Sonntag daily.

"We appreciate the cooperation with the US armed forces that has grown over decades. It is in the interest of both of our countries."

Peter Beyer, Chancellor Angela Merkel's coordinator for transatlantic relations, warned that "the German-US relationship could be severely affected" by Trump's decision.

The Wall Street Journal and other media reported on Friday that Trump had ordered the Pentagon to slash the number of US military personnel by 9,500 from the current 34,500 permanently assigned in Germany.

Such a move would significantly reduce the US commitment to European defence under the NATO umbrella, and appeared to catch Berlin off guard.

- 'Wake-up call' -
But Maas admitted ties with the Trump administration had become strained.

"We are close partners in the transatlantic alliance. But it's complicated," Maas told Bild, in a nod to rows ranging from the Iranian nuclear deal to NATO contributions and Berlin's support for a Russian gas pipeline.

There was no immediate confirmation from US officials about the alleged plan to slash US troop numbers in Germany and cap them at 25,000 in future.

But Trump's lukewarm support of longstanding cooperation agreements with European allies has long caused alarm on the continent.

The US leader been particularly scathing towards Germany in recent years, accusing the fellow NATO member of not spending enough on defence.

Germany hosts more US troops than any other country in Europe, a legacy of the Allied occupation after World War II.

Johann Wadephul, a senior member in Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative CDU party, said the troop reduction plan should showed that the Trump administration was "neglecting an elementary leadership task: involving alliance partners in the decision-making process".

It also served as another "wake-up call" for Europeans to take more responsibility for their own defence, he said in a statement on Saturday.

Only China and Russia stood to gain from "discord" between NATO allies, Wadephul added.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

Maybe he needs the troops somewhere else. Germany should stifle. 

[RLLD 4,251]

So Germany.....can not possibly defend itself without these troops?   Really?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Instead of me being mocked and ridiculed and "banned for trolling" for warning about civil unrest and civil war, now the MSM is trotting on "experts" of their own that predicted it was coming and giving them a voice to explain what they think could be next.  This article now says "Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh unrest was an EASY predicition!!!!!!!!!!!"  In fact this group, BCA research, has "social unrest rankings" for every country, and the US was #1.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategist-who-predicted-the-us-would-see-a-revolt-of-some-kind-by-the-2020-election-says-us-in-danger-zone-and-stocks-will-suffer-2020-06-08?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Strategist who predicted the U.S. would ‘see a revolt of some kind by the 2020 election’ says U.S. in ‘danger zone’ and stocks will suffer
Published: June 8, 2020 at 4:48 p.m. ET
By Andrea Riquier

America has lurched from one crisis to the next in 2020, knocking many people, even professional forecasters, off their feet. But not Matt Gertken, geopolitical strategist for BCA Research.

“Unrest was an easy prediction even before the pandemic and recession, which made matters worse,” wrote Gertken in a note out Friday. With odds in favor of President Donald Trump continuing to fall in the aftermath of the recent riots protesting the death of a black man, George Floyd, at the hands of white police officers, Gertken expects more market volatility as investors attempt to handicap the eventual outcome of the November presidential election.

BCA’s team has been warning about social unrest for a few years, including in 2017, when they said “the U.S. will see a revolt of some kind by the 2020 election,” and late last year when Gertken predicted “tensions and controversies over race and immigration will swell in the coming year.”

In his most recent analysis, he skips the victory lap and instead focuses on what it means for markets. Broadly, volatility is likely to worsen, and equities SPX, +1.20% DJIA, +1.70% to be vulnerable. More specifically, Gertken notes, the U.S. dollar DXY, 0.08% is likely face choppy waters over the near term, but some of the headwinds may abate over the long term.

“The market is reacting to stimulus now,” Gertken writes, “but policies look to turn a lot tougher on business,” no matter who wins the White House in November.

[  go to link to see the Social Unrest Table  ]

BCA analysts developed a “COVID-19 Unrest Table,” shown above, to chart economic fundamentals, vulnerability to COVID-19, household grievances, and governance indicators and thus rank countries according to their susceptibility to social unrest. The U.S. ranks last, behind Greece, among major developed countries in that sense.

The chart below, meanwhile, shows how the U.S. ranks compared with other countries, according to measures of income inequality and social immobility.

[  go to link to see social unrest chart  ]

Against that backdrop, Gertken says, “the election is inflaming the situation.” Faced with a worsening economy and a catalyzing episode of social injustice, President Donald Trump “is doubling down on ‘law and order,’ taking an aggressive stance against rioting and thus provoking a backlash.”

In the aftermath of the heavy-handed response to peaceful protests alongside riots and looting, online oddsmakers are giving Democrat Joe Biden a 56% chance of winning the White House, he notes.

“The market is waking up to the fact that Trump and the Republicans have a much greater chance of entirely losing control of the government,” Gertken writes. “Now it is likely to seep into the financial industry’s consciousness that US domestic political risks could still go higher.”

Read:A first-of-its-kind racial empowerment ETF is ‘flying under the radar.’ Maybe it shouldn’t.

While Gertken’s own forecast is for Trump to lose in November — he says “a health crisis and surge in unemployment alone are enough to undercut him given his thin margins of victory four years ago and low approval rating” — there are still two possible scenarios.

One is that an increase in African-American turnout makes Trump’s re-election bid more unlikely, he speculates. The other is that a “silent majority” of Americans are so repelled by the actions of the protesters might approve of the president’s actions if they appear to restore order, thus bolstering his chances. That’s a more likely outcome if there are more violent protests, Gertken thinks.

That means investors may be faced with two equally unsatisfying options.

“The election puts a self-limiting factor into the equity rally,” Gertken writes. “Either the market sells off in the short run to register the currently likely victory of Joe Biden, who will hike taxes, wages, and regulation, or the market rallies all the way till the election, increasing the chances of President Trump’s reelection, which would revolutionize the global system, especially on trade, and would require a selloff around December.”

There may be better news for dollar bulls, however: “We still expect investors to flee to the dollar in the event of any global crisis, even if it originates in the United States.”

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I wonder if any of you ever did tell FBGs off for banning me lol.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ4YkiOWkAE-WG0?format=jpg&name=large

I mentioned this before, but in China they have a term called baizuo.

Baizuo (pronounced "bye-tswaw) is a Chinese epithet meaning naive western educated person who advocates for peace and equality only to satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority. A baizuo only cares about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment while being obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they import backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism.

The Chinese see the baizuo as ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[Voltaire 5,317]

5 hours ago, riversco said:

I wonder if any of you ever did tell FBGs off for banning me lol.

Why would we? Their loss. Shed more quality people. Fock Joe.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

the situation is still the same as when i started this thread (or when i posted about it on FBGs).  the right just needs about 20-25% of the US population on its side to revolt.   if it was just that 25% vs the rest of america, the 25% loses.   but the 25% is gonna get china and russia to help them, which makes the republican side overwhelming favorites to win a civil war.   

nothing has changed about any this.  if anything the riots have probably convinced russia and china to take action to support the right in a civil war because they dont want that sort of unrest in THEIR world.  

[Gladiators 1,993]

I thought this thread was crazy. Each day that passes, the scale tips a bit more.

Interesting reading some of the early comments in the thread.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

3 hours ago, Gladiators said:

I thought this thread was crazy. Each day that passes, the scale tips a bit more.

Interesting reading some of the early comments in the thread.

I didn't think they'd be pulling what they are. It needs to be squashed or sh!t will go sideways and snowball.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

4 hours ago, Gladiators said:

I thought this thread was crazy. Each day that passes, the scale tips a bit more.

Interesting reading some of the early comments in the thread.

That's actually one of my metrics.  If society is extremely and deeply concerned about a problem, government tends to address it and that greatly lessens the odds of it happening.  If society thinks the idea is "crazy" then no one takes the steps to prevent it and the odds of it happening goes up significantly.

In the late 1970s, society was terrified of inflation and thought the dollar was going to collapse.  But that fear pushed leadership to take it seriously and come up with solutions to avert it.  But in 2015, trust had collapsed in the US and we were at risk of unrest and civil war yet no-one took it seriously and you were called "crazy" by many if you suggested it.  That lack of fear meant the odds went WAY up because leadership is very unlikely to take the steps to avert it when its a joke.

So here we are, with widespread civil unrest, and there's still a great many people that think the notion of civil war is a total joke and that you are nuts if you talk about it.  That means we are in deep trouble.  I think the war has already started. As I type this, we are having minor clashes between left and right wing once every few weeks.  That's going to get more frequent, the clashes will get bigger, and people will start shooting each other.  We will backslide into it and people will still deny its a civil war all the way down.  Each news event regarding racism will bring larger battles.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

I’ve been talking a CW2 since 2016.  We are at the critical point now where all it will take is a flashpoint.  I’ve been saying in here since June that the flashpoint will come during the election - a Constitutional crisis probably related to fraud with the mail-in voting process.  All the signs are there for conflict.  Each side has thoroughly demonized the other to the point where the killing of “one of them” can be mentally construed to be an act of justice.  There is also a healthy degree of frustration and social dislocation due to the pandemic.  People are in a pissy mood, looking for a fight, and everyone is armed to the teeth.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

49 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I’ve been talking a CW2 since 2016.  We are at the critical point now where all it will take is a flashpoint.  I’ve been saying in here since June that the flashpoint will come during the election - a Constitutional crisis probably related to fraud with the mail-in voting process.  All the signs are there for conflict.  Each side has thoroughly demonized the other to the point where the killing of “one of them” can be mentally construed to be an act of justice.  There is also a healthy degree of frustration and social dislocation due to the pandemic.  People are in a pissy mood, looking for a fight, and everyone is armed to the teeth.

 Your idea of “armed to the teeth” is unfortunate and misguided. You have no idea what one side can bring if it comes to it. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

15 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

 Your idea of “armed to the teeth” is unfortunate and misguided. You have no idea what one side can bring if it comes to it. 

I think the first thing to go will be communication and the MSM.  So actually no-one will be sure what the sides are bringing nor what is going on.  We will probably hear rumors or factions and alliances.  The official media will probably say we will have a new era of peace and prosperity for everyone.  But we won't be told of the battles.  If you are outside the US, you might hear of the war.  From our perspective, things get worse and worse and our internet probably goes down and we can never access this forum or most other sites, can't text people.  You are stuck what who you have around you.

If you refuse to get a passport and go somewhere, you may need a bug-out bag and your gas tank kept full.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 hours ago, shorepatrol said:

 Your idea of “armed to the teeth” is unfortunate and misguided. You have no idea what one side can bring if it comes to it. 

Well enlighten me then.  What side are you referring to?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

On 6/8/2020 at 10:00 PM, riversco said:

Instead of me being mocked and ridiculed and "banned for trolling" for warning about civil unrest and civil war, now the MSM is trotting on "experts" of their own that predicted it was coming and giving them a voice to explain what they think could be next.  This article now says "Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh unrest was an EASY predicition!!!!!!!!!!!"  In fact this group, BCA research, has "social unrest rankings" for every country, and the US was #1.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategist-who-predicted-the-us-would-see-a-revolt-of-some-kind-by-the-2020-election-says-us-in-danger-zone-and-stocks-will-suffer-2020-06-08?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Strategist who predicted the U.S. would ‘see a revolt of some kind by the 2020 election’ says U.S. in ‘danger zone’ and stocks will suffer
Published: June 8, 2020 at 4:48 p.m. ET
By Andrea Riquier

America has lurched from one crisis to the next in 2020, knocking many people, even professional forecasters, off their feet. But not Matt Gertken, geopolitical strategist for BCA Research.

“Unrest was an easy prediction even before the pandemic and recession, which made matters worse,” wrote Gertken in a note out Friday. With odds in favor of President Donald Trump continuing to fall in the aftermath of the recent riots protesting the death of a black man, George Floyd, at the hands of white police officers, Gertken expects more market volatility as investors attempt to handicap the eventual outcome of the November presidential election.

BCA’s team has been warning about social unrest for a few years, including in 2017, when they said “the U.S. will see a revolt of some kind by the 2020 election,” and late last year when Gertken predicted “tensions and controversies over race and immigration will swell in the coming year.”

In his most recent analysis, he skips the victory lap and instead focuses on what it means for markets. Broadly, volatility is likely to worsen, and equities SPX, +1.20% DJIA, +1.70% to be vulnerable. More specifically, Gertken notes, the U.S. dollar DXY, 0.08% is likely face choppy waters over the near term, but some of the headwinds may abate over the long term.

“The market is reacting to stimulus now,” Gertken writes, “but policies look to turn a lot tougher on business,” no matter who wins the White House in November.

[  go to link to see the Social Unrest Table  ]

BCA analysts developed a “COVID-19 Unrest Table,” shown above, to chart economic fundamentals, vulnerability to COVID-19, household grievances, and governance indicators and thus rank countries according to their susceptibility to social unrest. The U.S. ranks last, behind Greece, among major developed countries in that sense.

The chart below, meanwhile, shows how the U.S. ranks compared with other countries, according to measures of income inequality and social immobility.

[  go to link to see social unrest chart  ]

Against that backdrop, Gertken says, “the election is inflaming the situation.” Faced with a worsening economy and a catalyzing episode of social injustice, President Donald Trump “is doubling down on ‘law and order,’ taking an aggressive stance against rioting and thus provoking a backlash.”

In the aftermath of the heavy-handed response to peaceful protests alongside riots and looting, online oddsmakers are giving Democrat Joe Biden a 56% chance of winning the White House, he notes.

“The market is waking up to the fact that Trump and the Republicans have a much greater chance of entirely losing control of the government,” Gertken writes. “Now it is likely to seep into the financial industry’s consciousness that US domestic political risks could still go higher.”

Read:A first-of-its-kind racial empowerment ETF is ‘flying under the radar.’ Maybe it shouldn’t.

While Gertken’s own forecast is for Trump to lose in November — he says “a health crisis and surge in unemployment alone are enough to undercut him given his thin margins of victory four years ago and low approval rating” — there are still two possible scenarios.

One is that an increase in African-American turnout makes Trump’s re-election bid more unlikely, he speculates. The other is that a “silent majority” of Americans are so repelled by the actions of the protesters might approve of the president’s actions if they appear to restore order, thus bolstering his chances. That’s a more likely outcome if there are more violent protests, Gertken thinks.

That means investors may be faced with two equally unsatisfying options.

“The election puts a self-limiting factor into the equity rally,” Gertken writes. “Either the market sells off in the short run to register the currently likely victory of Joe Biden, who will hike taxes, wages, and regulation, or the market rallies all the way till the election, increasing the chances of President Trump’s reelection, which would revolutionize the global system, especially on trade, and would require a selloff around December.”

There may be better news for dollar bulls, however: “We still expect investors to flee to the dollar in the event of any global crisis, even if it originates in the United States.”

 

This guy Gerkin is a salesman, he has been selling this for months and every time his prediction gets less likely he doubles down on it. Statistically you have to win eventually, right? Ask any other bettor. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

Well, according to Twitter, if Trump/McConnell push a nominee through, there will be Civil War.  They say what we"ve seen since May is childs play.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Well, according to Twitter, if Trump/McConnell push a nominee through, there will be Civil War.  They say what we"ve seen since May is childs play.  

Well I've said many times that, with trust in the system collapsed, any major event coming up could push us over the brink into civil war.  It could be anything.  The death of RBG and the political fight in the aftermath could be it.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

CNN and NY Times contributors have already tweeted straight up threats up violence if the seat is filled.  Unbelievable.  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/former-cnn-host-ate-human-brains-even-try-replace-rbg-burn-entire-f-cking-thing/

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Fatguy on the otherforum mentioned that in Maryland, he requested a mail-in ballot, and discovered that if you do that in Maryland, you are actually barred from voting in-person unless you fill out a second form.  I could see that being a problem for democrats.

I checked out the rules for mail in ballots in Virginia, and apparently if they request a mail-in ballot but change their mind and want to vote in person, they need to actually bring their mail-in ballot with them to the polling place to void it.  Also, if they are first time voters, they need to bring an ID.

Either of these scenarios could cause a post-election riot.

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

A group called the Transition Integrity Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Integrity_Project  headed up by names like John Podesta, Michael Steele, Jennifer Granholm, Donna Brazile, William Krystol, David Frum and Rosa Brooks war gamed some scenarios recently regarding civil war immediately after the 2020 November elections.

 

https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//web.archive.org/web/20200911050850/https%3A//www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/03/trump-stay-in-office/%3Farc404%3Dtrue

What’s the worst that could happen?
The election will likely spark violence — and a constitutional crisis
Bendik Kaltenborn for The Washington Post
By Rosa Brooks
September 3, 2020

We wanted to know: What’s the worst thing that could happen to our country during the presidential election? President Trump has broken countless norms and ignored countless laws during his time in office, and while my colleagues and I at the Transition Integrity Project didn’t want to lie awake at night contemplating the ways the American experiment could fail, we realized that identifying the most serious risks to our democracy might be the best way to avert a November disaster. So we built a series of war games, sought out some of the most accomplished Republicans, Democrats, civil servants, media experts, pollsters and strategists around, and asked them to imagine what they’d do in a range of election and transition scenarios.

A landslide for Joe Biden resulted in a relatively orderly transfer of power. Every other scenario we looked at involved street-level violence and political crisis.

In every exercise, both teams sought to mobilize their supporters to take to the streets. Team Biden repeatedly called for peaceful protests, while Team Trump encouraged provocateurs to incite violence, then used the resulting chaos to justify sending federalized Guard units or active-duty military personnel into American cities to “restore order,” leading to still more violence. (The exercises underscored the tremendous power enjoyed by an incumbent president: Biden can call a news conference, but Trump can call in the 82nd Airborne.)

In the “Trump win” scenario, desperate Democrats — stunned by yet another election won by the candidate with fewer votes after credible claims of foreign interference and voter suppression — also sought to send rival slates of electors to Congress. They even floated the idea of encouraging secessionist movements in California and the Pacific Northwest unless GOP congressional leaders agreed to a series of reforms, including the division of California into five smaller states to ensure better Senate representation of its vast population, and statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico.

[Voltaire 5,317]

22 minutes ago, riversco said:

A group called the Transition Integrity Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Integrity_Project  headed up by names like John Podesta, Michael Steele, Jennifer Granholm, Donna Brazile, William Krystol, David Frum and Rosa Brooks war gamed some scenarios recently regarding civil war immediately after the 2020 November elections.

 

https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//web.archive.org/web/20200911050850/https%3A//www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/03/trump-stay-in-office/%3Farc404%3Dtrue

What’s the worst that could happen?
The election will likely spark violence — and a constitutional crisis
Bendik Kaltenborn for The Washington Post
By Rosa Brooks
September 3, 2020

We wanted to know: What’s the worst thing that could happen to our country during the presidential election? President Trump has broken countless norms and ignored countless laws during his time in office, and while my colleagues and I at the Transition Integrity Project didn’t want to lie awake at night contemplating the ways the American experiment could fail, we realized that identifying the most serious risks to our democracy might be the best way to avert a November disaster. So we built a series of war games, sought out some of the most accomplished Republicans, Democrats, civil servants, media experts, pollsters and strategists around, and asked them to imagine what they’d do in a range of election and transition scenarios.

A landslide for Joe Biden resulted in a relatively orderly transfer of power. Every other scenario we looked at involved street-level violence and political crisis.

In every exercise, both teams sought to mobilize their supporters to take to the streets. Team Biden repeatedly called for peaceful protests, while Team Trump encouraged provocateurs to incite violence, then used the resulting chaos to justify sending federalized Guard units or active-duty military personnel into American cities to “restore order,” leading to still more violence. (The exercises underscored the tremendous power enjoyed by an incumbent president: Biden can call a news conference, but Trump can call in the 82nd Airborne.)

In the “Trump win” scenario, desperate Democrats — stunned by yet another election won by the candidate with fewer votes after credible claims of foreign interference and voter suppression — also sought to send rival slates of electors to Congress. They even floated the idea of encouraging secessionist movements in California and the Pacific Northwest unless GOP congressional leaders agreed to a series of reforms, including the division of California into five smaller states to ensure better Senate representation of its vast population, and statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico.

Phhpt....

A bunch of Demoractic insiders and pissed off never-Trumper Republicans had a circle jerk masturbation party. Whoopdie Doo.

It;s the Dems that are changing the rules of the election, not the GOP.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Phhpt....

A bunch of Demoractic insiders and pissed off never-Trumper Republicans had a circle jerk masturbation party. Whoopdie Doo.

It;s the Dems that are changing the rules of the election, not the GOP.

I like to post that information to counter claims that only the far right is saying civil war looms.  Here's a bunch of mainline democrats and republicans war gaming civil war.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

CNN suggests filling the vacancy before the election will "break US democracy".  Civil war threat?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/opinions/opinion-ruth-bader-ginsburg-mitch-mcconnell-douglas/index.html

Attention Mitch McConnell: Filling RBG's seat now could break American democracy
Opinion by Joshua A. Douglas
Updated 11:47 PM ET, Fri September 18, 2020

And imagine the horror should the presidential election result in a dispute, Bush v. Gore-style, that goes to the Supreme Court, with a brand-new justice, confirmed under these circumstances, casting the tiebreaking vote. It's hard to say that American democracy could recover.

The year 2020 has already been difficult enough, with a global pandemic, protests about police brutality and racial injustice, raging fires in the West, massive hurricanes in the South, and a presidential election that has featured lies designed to undermine the legitimacy of our electoral process. Adding a Supreme Court confirmation battle will only add fuel to the fire.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Hearing about a mass shooting in Rochester tonight.  Not sure if politically motivated or not.

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Hearing about a mass shooting in Rochester tonight.  Not sure if politically motivated or not.

The entire police leadership resigned in protest last week so, if true, this was a great opportunity for some scumbag to hit while they are disorganized.

[jonmx 2,429]

Those kooks are so funny.  They worry that people on the right will act like democrats.  No, it is your people who act like children by rioting and looting in mass when they don't get their way.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

2 hours ago, jonmx said:

Those kooks are so funny.  They worry that people on the right will act like democrats.  No, it is your people who act like children by rioting and looting in mass when they don't get their way.

We are at the point where we can no longer coexist. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

As of this posting, I think the most likely official start of the second civil war will be democrats / antifa storming congress and attacking republicans as they try to vote on RBG's replacement.

[RLLD 4,251]

8 minutes ago, riversco said:

As of this posting, I think the most likely official start of the second civil war will be democrats / antifa storming congress and attacking republicans as they try to vote on RBG's replacement.

Maybe, or they will threaten and attack, but once they get hit back cry foul.....

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Maybe, or they will threaten and attack, but once they get hit back cry foul.....

That might be true.  Antifa will go into congress itself and shout and yell and throw molotov cocktails and kick doors.  Media will be silent.  Then the second a security team fires one bullet, it will be all about how security used excessive force and is to blame.

[iam90sbaby 2,620]

44 minutes ago, riversco said:

As of this posting, I think the most likely official start of the second civil war will be democrats / antifa storming congress and attacking republicans as they try to vote on RBG's replacement.

Why leave BLM out?

[shorepatrol 1,870]

On 9/19/2020 at 5:22 AM, Dizkneelande said:

We are at the point where we can no longer coexist. 

I'm at this point.