What's the thoughts on David Montgomery?

[weepaws 3,191]

I also took him as a rb3/ flex player.  

I do expect to see more production out of Montgomery, but I don’t see a rb1 this season. 

Maybe game here and there he may produce low rb1 ff points or high rb2 ff points. 

But if your counting on it, I think it will be a frustrating season based on your owner ship and value of Montgomery. 

But dont worry about the horse being blind, just lost load the wagon. 

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

This thread reminds me of Chubb from last season.

The cream will float to the top...yes I know I know...sh!t can also float to the top.

[unclemercy 53]

i think if you reflect its prob best case scenario for the game script if you were/are patient and didnt start him. barring a bonkers breakout game obv or ever having a goal line opportunity and not getting the look. it reminds me of the chiefs before they unleashed khunt. regardless im not interested in arguing as much as trying to continue to offer perspective and as such will remain patient. 

 

lol what did they have again a dozen total run plays or something? 

 

im betting this changes. lots.

 

buy loooow.

[nobody 2,667]

6 hours ago, AxeElf said:

What looked so good?  Here are his "highlights" (read: every one of his plays) from the game last night.  Let's review...

David Montgomery Highlights - Week 1

1st carry - Off left tackle, bounces it outside and basically goes down upon first contact for a 4 yard gain.

2nd carry - The Bears line opens up a hole left center that you could, LITERALLY, drive a truck through, and Montgomery takes what he is given, but again, he basically goes down on first contact for a 6 yard gain. 

3rd carry - This time the line doesn't do its job; Montgomery runs right into the pack and goes down for a 1 yard gain.

4th carry - This is maybe the one play you could point to as Montgomery finally showing a bit of his fabled elusiveness, as he goes wide left again and bounces outside for another 6 yard gain, but really, he almost tripped over the line of scrimmage initially, and then all his stiff-arming and spin-moving gets him is about 4 yards after first contact.  Ok, it was a good run, but nothing that really screams of excellence or anything.

5th carry - Dances and hesitates at the line of scrimmage waiting for a hole that never opens, falls forward for a 1 yard gain.

6th carry - Runs left again, straight into a defender, but he bounces off and manages to get back to the line of scrimmage for no gain.

The reception - Nothing wrong with that play at all.  It was a good route and a great catch; my only criticism of it was Trubisky's fault, he kind of telegraphed the pass from the snap, but the Packers didn't take advantage of his laser focus, so the play worked.  The problem here, of course, is that the Bears already have their pass-catching back in Cohen, and they didn't seem to be too afraid to dump it off to Mike Davis, either--so I'm not sure what value Montgomery adds for one or two catches per game.

So, all you "I thought he looked good!" people; break it down for me.  What did you see last night that has you convinced that David Montgomery is going to be special--or even become the bellcow back in this offense?

 

HE broke at least one tackles on almost every run in your link.

[AxeElf 787]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

HE broke at least one tackles on almost every run in your link.

You must have my link confused with a nonexistent one.

[AxeElf 787]

Montgomery owners rejoice!

It took him five tries from inside the 5 yard line, but the elusive Montgomery finally has his first NFL TD!

[BufordT 434]

Snap percentage: Week 1....37%     Week 2....47%

[jrokh 608]

The problem is Mitchy, is looking like he is regressing, effecting the whole offense. 

[AxeElf 787]

16 minutes ago, BufordT said:

Snap percentage: Week 1....37%     Week 2....47%

They were definitely kicking the tires on Montgomery this week...  he got 18 carries to Cohen's 4 and Davis' 3.

Not sure if the 3.4 ypc avg, including those 5 carries to get a TD from inside the 5 yard line, will be enough to keep him in the lead role or not, but at least he's getting a shot.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

11 hours ago, AxeElf said:

They were definitely kicking the tires on Montgomery this week...  he got 18 carries to Cohen's 4 and Davis' 3.

Not sure if the 3.4 ypc avg, including those 5 carries to get a TD from inside the 5 yard line, will be enough to keep him in the lead role or not, but at least he's getting a shot.

That's a stout run defense at Denver.

He went from 8 touches to 19.   Let's see what week 3 brings.  Schedule gets A LOT softer.

Redskins, Vikings, Raiders

[Showboat 256]

15 hours ago, AxeElf said:

Montgomery owners rejoice!

It took him five tries from inside the 5 yard line, but the elusive Montgomery finally has his first NFL TD!

Really annoying for those playing against him - any RB on my team seems to get one chance from the 5, brings it down to the one and then the brilliant coaches decide to dial up a couple passes. 

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

1 hour ago, Showboat said:

Really annoying for those playing against him - any RB on my team seems to get one chance from the 5, brings it down to the one and then the brilliant coaches decide to dial up a couple passes. 

They made the right decision.  He punched it in.   If he gets another 18+ touches in week 3, it's time to plug him in on the starting lineup.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

I thought Montgomery looked good.  He's clearly the best RB for the bulk of the carries.  So far he's gone up against two pretty good defenses so I expect even better results going forward.  Montgomery was making something out of nothing a good amount of his runs.

[weepaws 3,191]

The one concern I have as a Montgomery owner, is his Qb. 

 

[AxeElf 787]

On 9/1/2019 at 3:21 PM, AxeElf said:

I wouldn't be surprised if [David Montgomery] and Carlos Hyde finish with approximately the same fantasy points.

It is interesting to note that after 3 weeks, Montgomery and Hyde are currently tied for RB25 in standard scoring, with 25.4 fantasy points each.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

Monty is about to take off...you can feel it.

His snap count has gone up every week.  67% in week 3.  The arrow is pointing up.

 

[Ray_T 753]

On 9/6/2019 at 2:40 PM, weepaws said:

I also took him as a rb3/ flex player.  

I do expect to see more production out of Montgomery, but I don’t see a rb1 this season. 

Maybe game here and there he may produce low rb1 ff points or high rb2 ff points. 

But if your counting on it, I think it will be a frustrating season based on your owner ship and value of Montgomery. 

But dont worry about the horse being blind, just lost load the wagon. 

I had him on my list as a priority RB3 for this year going into the draft.

someone took him around the time I got my RB2.   He may produce fair value still for that guy, but I think in the end he may have paid a bit too much.

drafting for potential only works when the player achieves his potential.   Lots of time that does not happen for rookies.

if he would have fallen to me, I would have been happy with RB3 production.  if he gave RB2 production you consider it a bonus.

you win drafts by getting people who do better than their draft position.   taking them too early inevitably costs you. 

[LoOnAtIk 75]

3 hours ago, Skinny_Bastard said:

Monty is about to take off...you can feel it.

His snap count has gone up every week.  67% in week 3.  The arrow is pointing up.

 

Game script had a lot to do with his snap count in all 3 games. Don’t forget he was behind cordarelle Patterson in carries and yards at halftime of the Monday night game. The final stat line does not tell the whole story whatsoever.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

18 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said:

Game script had a lot to do with his snap count in all 3 games. Don’t forget he was behind cordarelle Patterson in carries and yards at halftime of the Monday night game. The final stat line does not tell the whole story whatsoever.

He played in 67% of all the snaps.  That's the truth.

[AxeElf 787]

4 minutes ago, Skinny_Bastard said:

He played in 67% of all the snaps.  That's the truth.

From the in-game discussion thread...

On 9/23/2019 at 11:42 PM, AxeElf said:

Ok, I guess in the games where Chicago is sitting on a 20 point lead and running out the clock for the final quarter, Montgomery might make an acceptable flex play...

If I were unfortunate enough to find myself in the position of being a Montgomery owner, I would be more worried about the fact that Montgomery amassed 54 of his 67 rushing yards on the Bears' final two possessions of the game (including a single 25 yard carry), and that up until that point, Cordarrelle Patterson had as many carries (4) and more rushing yards (14) than Montgomery.

That is also the truth.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

2 hours ago, Skinny_Bastard said:

He played in 67% of all the snaps.  That's the truth.

And had how many fantasy points at halftime? They fed him almost all of his carries in the 2nd half when the game was over. Believe what you want, I like to use my eyes.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Right now the only thing I see holding Montgomery back is the play calling.  The OL has worried me a bit too actually.  I think he's proven to be a really good RB.  He's shown he can gain positive yards even when there is very little room to work with.

[AxeElf 787]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Right now the only thing I see holding Montgomery back is the play calling.  The OL has worried me a bit too actually.  I think he's proven to be a really good RB.  He's shown he can gain positive yards even when there is very little room to work with.

In his brief NFL career, I have seen very little of the vaunted "elusiveness" that he exhibited in college.  This makes sense, of course, since NFL defenses are composed of all the best defenders that anyone ever faced in college.  Montgomery is good enough at taking what is blocked for him, but there have been only a handful of plays on which Montgomery did not go down on first contact, and when he doesn't, it usually only results in another yard or two gained before going down on second contact.

He's ok for the role they're asking him to fill, but he's not special--and the point I have been making all summer, that the offense just isn't designed to produce a standout bellcow fantasy RB1, is being borne out.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

On 9/27/2019 at 12:21 PM, AxeElf said:

In his brief NFL career, I have seen very little of the vaunted "elusiveness" that he exhibited in college.  This makes sense, of course, since NFL defenses are composed of all the best defenders that anyone ever faced in college.  Montgomery is good enough at taking what is blocked for him, but there have been only a handful of plays on which Montgomery did not go down on first contact, and when he doesn't, it usually only results in another yard or two gained before going down on second contact.

He's ok for the role they're asking him to fill, but he's not special--and the point I have been making all summer, that the offense just isn't designed to produce a standout bellcow fantasy RB1, is being borne out.

He hasn't had a chance to be elusive.  He's getting hit in the backfield or he's trying to find a hole that doesn't exist.  A lot of his runs have come at the end of the last two games where they were eating up clock and the D was stacking the box.  The run blocking for the Bears has been terrible.  I feel he gained most of his yards on pure talent because of his ability to break tackles, find tiny openings and fight to fall forward.  How many other RBs would do better with this blocking and play calling?

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

What happened to the Bears Oline...NO PUSH.

The key take away is the volume.  Fantasy football is all about opportunities and he's getting plenty.   The Bears are also winning.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

26 minutes ago, Skinny_Bastard said:

What happened to the Bears Oline...NO PUSH.

The key take away is the volume.  Fantasy football is all about opportunities and he's getting plenty.   The Bears are also winning.

It's strange.  Their pass blocking seems to be alright but the run blocking is the worst I've seen in years.

[AxeElf 787]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He hasn't had a chance to be elusive.  He's getting hit in the backfield or he's trying to find a hole that doesn't exist.  A lot of his runs have come at the end of the last two games where they were eating up clock and the D was stacking the box.  The run blocking for the Bears has been terrible.  I feel he gained most of his yards on pure talent because of his ability to break tackles, find tiny openings and fight to fall forward.  How many other RBs would do better with this blocking and play calling?

No argument.

My position of being lukewarm on David Montgomery has historically (over the summer) had more to do with his situation and the Bears' offense in general rather than with his ability in general.  However, since the games have started, I can say that I haven't seen anything special out of him to suggest that he will rise above his circumstances to become a RB1 this year, either.  But the main reason that he should not have been drafted with the expectations that were placed on him was because of the offense he was drafted into.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, AxeElf said:

No argument.

My position of being lukewarm on David Montgomery has historically (over the summer) had more to do with his situation and the Bears' offense in general rather than with his ability in general.  However, since the games have started, I can say that I haven't seen anything special out of him to suggest that he will rise above his circumstances to become a RB1 this year, either.  But the main reason that he should not have been drafted with the expectations that were placed on him was because of the offense he was drafted into.

I expected his production to be much better with this offense originally.  He's a hard running back who can break tackles and has great receiving skills.  So far I've been disappointed with how he's been used.  I blame it more on play calling and the OL than on his ability.  It's early in his career yet so we'll see.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,258]

He's so damn overrated. 2 ypc yesterday. He does that stupid hop stop thing too much. He isn't fast enough to get going quickly. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

7 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

He's so damn overrated. 2 ypc yesterday. He does that stupid hop stop thing too much. He isn't fast enough to get going quickly. 

Go where quickly?  There was no place to run.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,258]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Go where quickly?  There was no place to run.

Im just saying that in general he hops around too much instead of taking what's there. It's Going to be obvious in the long run imo. He isn't fast enough to do the jump stop thing and get away with it often enough to have a real benefit. 

He was Mr. Super cool hop jump guy in college and still averaged 4.5 ypc. Not very good for a college average. 

[unclemercy 53]

i disagree in the take on long term value. i think dude will be serviceable for years. he does too much right not to succeed. that said this year i think his greatest value is on keeper and dynasty league rosters.

[nobody 2,667]

After watching him for a couple of games, he definitely seems like a JAG.

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

That's a tough run schedule to start the year.

Take a look at his schedule the 2nd half of the year.  That's where his true value comes into play.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,095]

6 hours ago, nobody said:

After watching him for a couple of games, he definitely seems like a JAG.

Agreed.  Nothing special there.  Seems like a younger Jordan Howard.  Of course, it doesn't help when your coach is clueless too.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,258]

Nagy pushing him to twenty something carries for 54 yards or whatever it was is just plain stupid. Mike Davis has been killed for no reason. I'm pretty sure he could do better than that. He is a much smoother runner, so just because he isn't hop cutting his way to 2 ypc, it doesn't mean Montgomery is better. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Nagy pushing him to twenty something carries for 54 yards or whatever it was is just plain stupid. Mike Davis has been killed for no reason. I'm pretty sure he could do better than that. He is a much smoother runner, so just because he isn't hop cutting his way to 2 ypc, it doesn't mean Montgomery is better. 

Mike Davis was not going to do any better.

[unclemercy 53]

lol at a younger jordan howard being used as a negative in this instance. will take 1k on the ground and +/-8tds at this point to the house for another championship. what are we doing here? mike davis?

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

A more elusive younger Jordan Howard with the ability to catch passes.

What's wrong with this?

[nobody 2,667]

5 minutes ago, Skinny_Bastard said:

A more elusive younger Jordan Howard with the ability to catch passes.

What's wrong with this?

They don't throw him the ball for starters.