Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[FeelingMN 273]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

This is so wrong.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/31/impeachment-vote-why-tennessee-sen-lamar-alexander-statement/4620305002/

https://apnews.com/1801d682a79f1bdbde26cd59e36e5741

Not sure what's wrong about it.  Throw in Rubio's position and Dershowitz's closing argument that Trump was simply acting with the country's best interest in mind and it's pretty clear that a lot of folks on the right agree that Trump did what he was accused of.....quid pro quo with Ukraine.....it's just that it's not impeachable.

[MDC 7,435]

1 hour ago, FeelingMN said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/31/impeachment-vote-why-tennessee-sen-lamar-alexander-statement/4620305002/

https://apnews.com/1801d682a79f1bdbde26cd59e36e5741

Not sure what's wrong about it.  Throw in Rubio's position and Dershowitz's closing argument that Trump was simply acting with the country's best interest in mind and it's pretty clear that a lot of folks on the right agree that Trump did what he was accused of.....quid pro quo with Ukraine.....it's just that it's not impeachable.

TKO. Well done.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

This is so wrong.

It's a slam dunk. You couldn't be more correct. Well done.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 hours ago, FeelingMN said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/31/impeachment-vote-why-tennessee-sen-lamar-alexander-statement/4620305002/

https://apnews.com/1801d682a79f1bdbde26cd59e36e5741

Not sure what's wrong about it.  Throw in Rubio's position and Dershowitz's closing argument that Trump was simply acting with the country's best interest in mind and it's pretty clear that a lot of folks on the right agree that Trump did what he was accused of.....quid pro quo with Ukraine.....it's just that it's not impeachable.

You mean convictable. While a majority think it should not have been impeachable, he was impeached nonetheless.

[MDC 7,435]

18 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

You mean convictable. While a majority think it should not have been impeachable, he was impeached nonetheless.

A majority of Americans think he should be impeached:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

I think he should have been censured. Republicans think he should get a medal of freedom.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

31 minutes ago, MDC said:

A majority of Americans think he should be impeached:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

I think he should have been censured. Republicans think he should get a medal of freedom.

I won't argue except to say that after 538's failure in the last election, they have doubled down to the liberal side of polling. They did the math and realized that clicks are worth more than correct info.  They, of course, are correct. 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

The majority of people won’t be voting for Trump either. Good luck. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

You mean convictable. While a majority think it should not have been impeachable, he was impeached nonetheless.

Oh hell. The left would have voted to impeach him for using whole milk on his cereal instead of skim.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Oh hell. The left would have voted to impeach him for using whole milk on his cereal instead of skim.

Which is 100% true, and shows that a partisan House can basically do whatever they want. The people saw through it. 

[MDC 7,435]

34 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I won't argue except to say that after 538's failure in the last election, they have doubled down to the liberal side of polling. They did the math and realized that clicks are worth more than correct info.  They, of course, are correct. 

 

 

If I remember correctly, 538 projected Hillary to win the popular vote by 3% and she won it by 2%. They also gave Trump better odds (I think 30-35%) to win than nearly anyone else.

Polls aren’t perfect but they’re closer to reality than your feelings.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, MDC said:

If I remember correctly, 538 projected Hillary to win the popular vote by 3% and she won it by 2%. They also gave Trump better odds (I think 30-35%) to win than nearly anyone else.

Polls aren’t perfect but they’re closer to reality than your feelings.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Here's the link again.  Go down and look at Support by party.  If you can do math (which I doubt) you'll see how partisan their conclusion is.  Might hurt your feelings though. 

[Gladiators 1,992]

I think we should trust MDC on this one.  He seems to know a lot about poles...

[MDC 7,435]

7 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Here's the link again.  Go down and look at Support by party.  If you can do math (which I doubt) you'll see how partisan their conclusion is.  Might hurt your feelings though. 

Only 9% of Republicans support impeachment. The polls would look even worse for Don if Republicans weren’t so partisan.  

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Only 9% of Republicans support impeachment. The polls would look even worse for Don if Republicans weren’t so partisan.  

 

16% of Democrats dont, so what?

I thought this was over, when does the sequal start?

 

[drobeski 3,061]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Only 9% of Republicans support impeachment. The polls would look even worse for Don if Republicans weren’t so partisan.  

 

Speaking of partisanship,  how many house Republicans voted to impeach again ? 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

 

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Only 9% of Republicans support impeachment. The polls would look even worse for Don if Republicans weren’t so partisan.  

 

That's removal from office, moron troll.  I actually thought you could read. My bad.

[MDC 7,435]

46 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

16% of Democrats dont, so what?

Seems like Dems are less partisan than GOPers on this one.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

So after 3 years of liberals dedicating their every waking moment to trying to get rid of Trump instead of working for the people like they are paid to do, is Trump still president or what? And if so, WTF are the liberals doing now instead of doing their jobs?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

We have found the real problem.  dumbocrats really don't know the difference between impeachment and removal from office.  You see it everyday, even in the news.  We all thought that the process on everyday would clear this up, and yet it persists. 

[12th Man 884]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

A majority of Americans think he should be impeached:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

I think he should have been censured. Republicans think he should get a medal of freedom.

538

[drobeski 3,061]

6 minutes ago, 12th Man said:

538

[MDC 7,435]

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

We have found the real problem.  dumbocrats really don't know the difference between impeachment and removal from office.  You see it everyday, even in the news.  We all thought that the process on everyday would clear this up, and yet it persists. 

Great point. All Americans should know that while a majority of respondents supported impeaching Trump, a slightly smaller majority supported removing him from office.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, MDC said:

Great point. All Americans should know that while a majority of respondents supported impeaching Trump, a slightly smaller majority supported removing him from office.  

Yes. A majority of respondents on an historically inaccurate liberal polling website.    Yell it from the highest mountaintop.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

41 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

We have found the real problem.  dumbocrats really don't know the difference between impeachment and removal from office.  You see it everyday, even in the news.  We all thought that the process on everyday would clear this up, and yet it persists. 

Same dopes that are still yapping about popular vote. 

[MDC 7,435]

3 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Yes. A majority of respondents on an historically inaccurate liberal polling website.    Yell it from the highest mountaintop.  

I agree Timmah, they are very bad mean facts. You should poll your feelings instead.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Same dopes that are still yapping about popular vote. 

Yeah look at the troll here.  Still bringing it up.  And fake polls.  No wonder their party is in such shambles.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

17 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trumps poll numbers went up. Biden’s went down. Nice work libtards. 

I think they wanted Biden's to go down.  The left wants a female candidate.  They're doing everything they can to control their primary again.  Their media is trying to crush Bernie, the party raked Trump through the impeachment knowing they couldn't get him removed... with the real agenda being to trash Biden.

 

Watch, now that Warren is dropping and Klobuchar is gaining, they're going to go on a full court press to trash Sanders and discredit Buttigieg. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,446]

11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think they wanted Biden's to go down.  The left wants a female candidate.  They're doing everything they can to control their primary again.  Their media is trying to crush Bernie, the party raked Trump through the impeachment knowing they couldn't get him removed... with the real agenda being to trash Biden.

 

Watch, now that Warren is dropping and Klobuchar is gaining, they're going to go on a full court press to trash Sanders and discredit Buttigieg. 

And they will lose while also ripping their party to shreds. Biden had the best chance. 

[RLLD 4,231]

18 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think they wanted Biden's to go down.  The left wants a female candidate.  They're doing everything they can to control their primary again.  Their media is trying to crush Bernie, the party raked Trump through the impeachment knowing they couldn't get him removed... with the real agenda being to trash Biden.

 

Watch, now that Warren is dropping and Klobuchar is gaining, they're going to go on a full court press to trash Sanders and discredit Buttigieg. 

Yeah, I think the Democrats are pretty disgustingly filthy....

[TimmySmith 2,782]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think they wanted Biden's to go down.  The left wants a female candidate.  They're doing everything they can to control their primary again.  Their media is trying to crush Bernie, the party raked Trump through the impeachment knowing they couldn't get him removed... with the real agenda being to trash Biden.

 

Watch, now that Warren is dropping and Klobuchar is gaining, they're going to go on a full court press to trash Sanders and discredit Buttigieg. 

Getting Biden out of the way was objective 1.  Easily done.  Media trashing Sanders is a bit harder because they like him. He is their secret crush. I think they will keep all of Mini's scandals out of the spotlight, but that's as far as they go.

[drobeski 3,061]

29 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think they wanted Biden's to go down.  The left wants a female candidate.  They're doing everything they can to control their primary again.  Their media is trying to crush Bernie, the party raked Trump through the impeachment knowing they couldn't get him removed... with the real agenda being to trash Biden.

 

Watch, now that Warren is dropping and Klobuchar is gaining, they're going to go on a full court press to trash Sanders and discredit Buttigieg. 

They couldn't let the Biden ship sink until they lost the coup/impeachment attempt.  Until they they had to prop the senile corrupt creepy dirtbag as Trumps main competitor.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

They couldn't let the Biden ship sink until they lost the coup/impeachment attempt.  Until they they had to prop the senile corrupt creepy dirtbag as Trumps main competitor.  

No matter how much the right screamed that Trump didn't do anything that Biden didn't do, the left never admitted it. BUT, they never once defended what Biden did do.  In other words, they let the right destroy Biden, didn't protect him at all, and kept the charade going long enough to watch him die with clean hands.  Devious and sadistic actually.  Well played. 

[MDC 7,435]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

No matter how much the right screamed that Trump didn't do anything that Biden didn't do, the left never admitted it. 

Biden withheld aid to Ukraine to force them to dig up dirt on a political rival?

Wow.  

[FeelingMN 273]

5 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You mean convictable. While a majority think it should not have been impeachable, he was impeached nonetheless.

Both Alexander and Rubio stated that what the House alleged was true.  Trump's legal team began their defense detailing how Trump did nothing wrong then transitioned to what he did doesn't meet the standard of removing him from office.  Of course that occurred after the news that Bolton had first hand knowledge of a quid pro quo.....which came out after Trump's defense stated their was no first hand accounts of a quid pro quo.  Ooops.

It's irrelevant at this point.  Trump is still in office and will probably be re-elected.  The Dems clearly misplayed their hand and are gonna pay for it.  But to say it was all a fabrication by the left isn't correct.  Plenty on the right, including high profile Senators believe Trump did exactly what he was accused of.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

30 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Both Alexander and Rubio stated that what the House alleged was true.  Trump's legal team began their defense detailing how Trump did nothing wrong then transitioned to what he did doesn't meet the standard of removing him from office.  Of course that occurred after the news that Bolton had first hand knowledge of a quid pro quo.....which came out after Trump's defense stated their was no first hand accounts of a quid pro quo.  Ooops.

It's irrelevant at this point.  Trump is still in office and will probably be re-elected.  The Dems clearly misplayed their hand and are gonna pay for it.  But to say it was all a fabrication by the left isn't correct.  Plenty on the right, including high profile Senators believe Trump did exactly what he was accused of.

from Oct 28 2019
Former National Security Advisor John Bolton is refusing to cooperate with Adam Schiff’s impeachment farce, and will not testify in front of the House Intelligence Committee, The Hill is reporting.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/bolton-sticks-schiff-pelosi-wont-testify-house-impeachment-inquiries

[Cdub100 3,909]

38 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Both Alexander and Rubio stated that what the House alleged was true.  Trump's legal team began their defense detailing how Trump did nothing wrong then transitioned to what he did doesn't meet the standard of removing him from office.  Of course that occurred after the news that Bolton had first hand knowledge of a quid pro quo.....which came out after Trump's defense stated their was no first hand accounts of a quid pro quo.  Ooops.

It's irrelevant at this point.  Trump is still in office and will probably be re-elected.  The Dems clearly misplayed their hand and are gonna pay for it.  But to say it was all a fabrication by the left isn't correct.  Plenty on the right, including high profile Senators believe Trump did exactly what he was accused of.

You morons took a perfectly normal interaction between countries and twisted it into a coup. Which of course failed. You know it was wrong you admit to believing it will hurt Democrats in the fall. Yet you still defend it.

What in the heII is your problem?

[FeelingMN 273]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

from Oct 28 2019
Former National Security Advisor John Bolton is refusing to cooperate with Adam Schiff’s impeachment farce, and will not testify in front of the House Intelligence Committee, The Hill is reporting.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/bolton-sticks-schiff-pelosi-wont-testify-house-impeachment-inquiries

He said he would testify if subpoenaed and given a judge's order to defy a WH directive not to testify.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/01/06/john-boltons-testimony-could-be-a-bombshell-in-trumps-impeachment/#1a2014b57011

 

Point is, Trump's defense chose a different argument after news broke about his book and his knowledge of a quid pro quo.  

[FeelingMN 273]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

You morons took a perfectly normal interaction between countries and twisted it into a coup. Which of course failed. You know it was wrong you admit to believing it will hurt Democrats in the fall. Yet you still defend it.

What in the heII is your problem?

Coups are illegal.  Who's going to jail?

I never defended impeachment.  I said earlier in this thread that I did not favor removal from office.  If it is a normal interaction, show me where previous Presidents withheld aid in exchange for information?  If Trump wanted to investigate the Bidens, why not do it transparently?  If there was nothing wrong with what Trump did, why did Republican Senators call his behavior inappropriate and impeachable?  Why did Republican Senators publicly state that what the House alleged was true?

My problem is that you guys have to create fictions to answer those questions.  But....but....Obama deep state country fried Hillary with a side of liberal leftist MSM.  The facts are that people other than Dems agreed that Trump was wrong.  And the fact is that he is still in office and will probably be in office another 5 years.  I'm cool with that.  

Guess I just have a problem with dummies.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

20 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

He said he would testify if subpoenaed and given a judge's order to defy a WH directive not to testify.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/01/06/john-boltons-testimony-could-be-a-bombshell-in-trumps-impeachment/#1a2014b57011

 

Point is, Trump's defense chose a different argument after news broke about his book and his knowledge of a quid pro quo.  

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Of course that occurred after the news that Bolton had first hand knowledge of a quid pro quo.....which came out after Trump's defense stated their was no first hand accounts of a quid pro quo.  Ooops.

I am pointing out that the Dems new about Bolton long before impeachment was voted on and before the Senate hearings not after Trump’s defense........

[TimmySmith 2,782]

15 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

I never defended impeachment.  I said earlier in this thread that I did not favor removal from office.  If it is a normal interaction, show me where previous Presidents withheld aid in exchange for information?  

Biden claimed he had the authority of the President for his Ukranian qpq, and I don't know why we shouldn't believe him.