Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

Just now, The Observer said:

Jump back into what?  Uber driving?  You do nothing all day.  'Not jumping back in" is your normal day. Not contributer to society

I never drove an Uber, but I respect those that have/do. Not everyone  has an uncle/friend to get them a job despite being unskilled and uneducated like you. PS, I spent more time with my kids before noon today than you did with your one kid during those weekends at your out of state softball tournaments hitting dingers and intimidating. 

[The Observer 641]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s not going to age well.  Book it.  

Is TYRump going to take back pretending not to know hiom? Or is Kennedy wrong about us reaching 100,000 deaths soon?   Certainly seems like a tweet that will stand the test of time/ 

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I never drove an Uber, but I respect those that have/do. Not everyone  has an uncle/friend to get them a job despite being unskilled and uneducated like you. PS, I spent more time with my kids before noon today than you did with your one kid during those weekends at your out of state softball tournaments hitting dingers and intimidating. 

 You're the only person in the world who can hang out arguing semantics on a messageboard all day and night and still pretend that his kids recognize him. 

[The Observer 641]

Dr Bright today, under oath: An N95 mask supplier told him "We're in deep sh1t. The world is. And we need to act. Bright said, "I pushed forward to the highest levels I could in HHS and got no response. From that moment on, I knew we were going to have a crisis."    Ouch      

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

Dr Bright today, under oath: An N95 mask supplier told him "We're in deep sh1t. The world is. And we need to act. Bright said, "I pushed forward to the highest levels I could in HHS and got no response. From that moment on, I knew we were going to have a crisis."    Ouch      

so is it n95 we need or just a bandana or whatever we can come up with?

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

This Leeson fellow talks in circles.  All over the place.  

This, not even sure what his argument is.

We're slow though, that's probably why we don't get it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

4 minutes ago, The Observer said:

 You're the only person in the world who can hang out arguing semantics on a messageboard all day and night and still pretend that his kids recognize him. 

You know school is closed, right? Where did you get your parenting license, a crackerjack box? 

[Mr. Hand 482]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You know school is closed, right? Where did you get your parenting license, a crackerjack box? 

He's a moron.

[Big Guy 1,414]

 

[The Observer 641]

12 minutes ago, drobeski said:

so is it n95 we need or just a bandana or whatever we can come up with?

A bandana is fine for you. But healthcare workers need a N95  hth

[Reality 3,121]

Just a quick reminder:

 

[drobeski 3,061]

31 minutes ago, The Observer said:

A bandana is fine for you. But healthcare workers need a N95  hth

Is this the same guy who promoted hydroxychloroquine, then didn't when team #inonittogether decided that hurting trump is more important than helping people ? 

That guy?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

7 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Is this the same guy who promoted hydroxychloroquine, then didn't when team #inonittogether decided that hurting trump is more important than helping people ? 

That guy?

That’s him.  He’s the one who actually signed off and sponsered the application for hydroxy to the FDA. You can’t make this stuff up. 

[drobeski 3,061]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s him.  He’s the one who actually signed off and sponsered the application for hydroxy to the FDA. You can’t make this stuff up. 

They are sick 

[The Observer 641]

13 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Is this the same guy who promoted hydroxychloroquine, then didn't when team #inonittogether decided that hurting trump is more important than helping people ? 

That guy?

No, it's the guy who wouldn't promote Trump's hail mary attempt because it hadn't been tested enough to determine if it would cause harm so Trump fired him.  hth

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 hours ago, Leeson said:

Still, not one answer to this question. 

Aren't people on disability already getting paid?  Same with people who are unemployed.  

The people that are affected by this are those who were previously employed, but can't collect on either of those 2 safety nets. I am okay with helping them out a little bit, but we have to not make it more lucrative to not work.

[Leeson 54]

2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Aren't people on disability already getting paid?  Same with people who are unemployed.  

The people that are affected by this are those who were previously employed, but can't collect on either of those 2 safety nets. I am okay with helping them out a little bit, but we have to not make it more lucrative to not work.

Nope. My daughter is expecting an official job offer in the next week. Since she is/was a student, she wouldn't qualify for unemployment or disability. Someone in her position would probably have to take the job and put themselves at risk. 

This is just one example. I'm not saying everyone needs to stay home. It just seems like we are ignoring people that are at risk and telling them to pick the lesser of two evils. (which that is, I don't know)

[Leeson 54]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

This, not even sure what his argument is.

We're slow though, that's probably why we don't get it. 

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to fixing it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

No, it's the guy who wouldn't promote Trump's hail mary attempt because it hadn't been tested enough to determine if it would cause harm so Trump fired him.  hth

It was a bit more than a Hail Mary, even you would have to admit that. 

[drobeski 3,061]

9 minutes ago, The Observer said:

No, it's the guy who wouldn't promote Trump's hail mary attempt because it hadn't been tested enough to determine if it would cause harm so Trump fired him.  hth

Its been used for years, years.  They know its not harmful.  

Wow

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

Its been used for years, years.  They know its not harmful.  

Wow

 

60 years.  I’ve taken it. And survived. 

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

Its been used for years, years.  They know its not harmful.  

Wow

 

I'm not sure uif you have the mental capacity to understand this,, but just because a drug works for one ailment does not mean it will work for another ailment. In fact, could have an adverse reaction instead. Check out the research on it. The HDQ actually caused heart arrhythmia.  This is why medicines are tested before being approved. And Bright wasn't about to promote snake oil from a snake oil salesman. 

[The Observer 641]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

60 years.  I’ve taken it. And survived. 

People have taken heroin and survived too.  Safe?

[Leeson 54]

3 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Its been used for years, years.  They know its not harmful.  

Wow

 

Why is Remdesivir only approved for emergency use? They've been using it for years too.

[drobeski 3,061]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

60 years.  I’ve taken it. And survived. 

A Christmas miracle 

[Intense Observer 344]

Who would have guessed the Dems would try to impeach Trump once again with false testimony from political hacks.

Fortunately Americans are tired of their bullshite. Trump will win again and the deranged left will have 4 more years of hating America.

[Leeson 54]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

People have taken heroin and survived too.  Safe?

Let me check with Melissa Etheridge. 

[Intense Observer 344]

America is the only country in the world preventing its citizens from taking a proven and affordable treatment for COVID-19.

The media, politicians, and "doctors" pushing this agenda need to be held accountable.

[Strike 5,628]

20 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Nope. My daughter is expecting an official job offer in the next week. Since she is/was a student, she wouldn't qualify for unemployment or disability. Someone in her position would probably have to take the job and put themselves at risk. 

This is just one example. I'm not saying everyone needs to stay home. It just seems like we are ignoring people that are at risk and telling them to pick the lesser of two evils. (which that is, I don't know)

Is your daughter healthy?  If so, she should be praying she gets this thing and can be done with it.  If she's healthy her chances of becoming significantly ill from this are about .01% and that may be high.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

14 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I'm not sure uif you have the mental capacity to understand this,, but just because a drug works for one ailment does not mean it will work for another ailment. In fact, could have an adverse reaction instead. Check out the research on it. The HDQ actually caused heart arrhythmia.  This is why medicines are tested before being approved. And Bright wasn't about to promote snake oil from a snake oil salesman. 

Why are doctors prescribing it? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

11 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

America is the only country in the world preventing its citizens from taking a proven and affordable treatment for COVID-19.

The media, politicians, and "doctors" pushing this agenda need to be held accountable.

Have to keep the death count up. It’s an election year. 

[Leeson 54]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Is your daughter healthy?  If so, she should be praying she gets this thing and can be done with it.  If she's healthy her chances of becoming significantly ill from this are about .01% and that may be high.

Type 1 diabetes and a thyroid condition.

[Strike 5,628]

Just now, Leeson said:

Type 1 diabetes and a thyroid condition.

Well, this explains your stance.  You aren't worried about the populace in general; just your own personal interests.  Makes sense now.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

41 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Nope. My daughter is expecting an official job offer in the next week. Since she is/was a student, she wouldn't qualify for unemployment or disability. Someone in her position would probably have to take the job and put themselves at risk. 

This is just one example. I'm not saying everyone needs to stay home. It just seems like we are ignoring people that are at risk and telling them to pick the lesser of two evils. (which that is, I don't know)

That is her choice then. I have the same issue with my oldest.  He is 18 and in the working world. He can work or he can stay home.  I have planned for downturns and I could cover him for a while if he were to be unemployed for a while as well.  

Since your daughter could be at risk, then she falls into that other group that I was talking about. Doesn't qualify for unemployment and not on disability.

Which leads me to the question for the larger group - I have heard people that said we should quarantine the people at risk.  Who exactly is that?  Is it just people over 65 in a nursing home? Is it people who are obese?  What about people with hypertension? What about diabetes?  Who do we protect and who do we say, "you will be fine, just suck it up because I don't give a shiot enough about you to wear a mask and/or stay 6 feet away from you"?

[Leeson 54]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, this explains your stance.  You aren't worried about the populace in general; just your own personal interests.  Makes sense now.

She's just one. And that's just two of many conditions that could cause problems with the general populace. She isn't looking for a handout. She's been going to school for 6 years and is on the verge of her Masters (also delayed because of this virus). If you were her, what choice would you make?

 

[Strike 5,628]

2 minutes ago, Leeson said:

She's just one. And that's just two of many conditions that could cause problems with the general populace. She isn't looking for a handout. She's been going to school for 6 years and is on the verge of her Masters (also delayed because of this virus). If you were her, what choice would you make?

 

She has more than two choices.  First of all, if she gets offered a job it may be one where she can work from home.  My company is continuing to hire and is working on a remote onboarding process so even new hires are work from home.  But she isn't even in the job market yet.  Can she come home and live for 6 months?  Because in about that time we'll have a vaccine that she can take.   So this delays her entry in to the workforce for a few months.  In the grand scheme of things that's not a huge deal.

[Strike 5,628]

This guy gets it:

 

https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1260721488241418240?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1260721488241418240&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Felizabeth-vaughn%2F2020%2F05%2F14%2F837219%2F

[Leeson 54]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

She has more than two choices.  First of all, if she gets offered a job it may be one where she can work from home.  My company is continuing to hire and is working on a remote onboarding process so even new hires are work from home.  But she isn't even in the job market yet.  Can she come home and live for 6 months?  Because in about that time we'll have a vaccine that she can take.   So this delays her entry in to the workforce for a few months.  In the grand scheme of things that's not a huge deal.

Two things jump out in your post. 

1 - She currently lives at home. That eliminates the need to worry about most expenses. But, she's been working towards being independent for years. And, much like the delay in her Masters program, she's now seeing a delay in everything. 

2 - What makes you think we'll have vaccine in 6 months? I've heard everything from a year to it may not be possible to find a vaccine for this virus. (I discount the latter). 

She did 2 years at community college, then transferred to university. She's was lucky that she was able to get her bachelors and accepted for Masters program at the same school. My understanding is that they make you go to other schools for your Masters? They want her to manage the research animals in the lab. This isn't something that can be done from home as it requires checks, food, health, and managing of 4-6 undergrad students and volunteers. She's been involved in the writing of the job description and negotiated a nice salary for herself. She's done everything necessary to this point. She's just really worried about making the wrong decision. Either way.

[Strike 5,628]

2 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Two things jump out in your post. 

1 - She currently lives at home. That eliminates the need to worry about most expenses. But, she's been working towards being independent for years. And, much like the delay in her Masters program, she's now seeing a delay in everything. 

2 - What makes you think we'll have vaccine in 6 months? I've heard everything from a year to it may not be possible to find a vaccine for this virus. (I discount the latter). 

She did 2 years at community college, then transferred to university. She's was lucky that she was able to get her bachelors and accepted for Masters program at the same school. My understanding is that they make you go to other schools for your Masters? They want her to manage the research animals in the lab. This isn't something that can be done from home as it requires checks, food, health, and managing of 4-6 undergrad students and volunteers. She's been involved in the writing of the job description and negotiated a nice salary for herself. She's done everything necessary to this point. She's just really worried about making the wrong decision. Either way.

You asked me what she should do.  I offered options.  I'm sorry she's so impatient that this virus, which is going to literally close down people's businesses that they've been working their entire lives to build up, is inconveniencing her desire to be independent.  A lot of college students are going to take the whole next year off but hey, your daughter's independence is all that matters.  We get it. 

As far as the vaccine goes, do some research.  They're already being tested.  If it's not 6 months, it will be 8.  That would put it around the end of next January. 

[Leeson 54]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

You asked me what she should do.  I offered options.  I'm sorry she's so impatient that this virus, which is going to literally close down people's businesses that they've been working their entire lives to build up, is inconveniencing her desire to be independent.  A lot of college students are going to take the whole next year off but hey, your daughter's independence is all that matters.  We get it. 

As far as the vaccine goes, do some research.  They're already being tested.  If it's not 6 months, it will be 8.  That would put it around the end of next January. 

I made sure to point out the desire to be independent so people here don't think people like my daughter are just looking for a handout. Those that want to work should be able to work. But they need to be able to do so in a safe environment. Some people don't think it's necessary to wear a mask. Which puts others at risk. 

It seems that other people see their economy, or their jobs, or their paychecks are more important. Why shouldn't I think mine or my daughters is more important? You can't even agree that stimulus money could help some people much more than others. Someone suggested having those that choose not to work petition for a separate stimulus. Senate and White House would never sign off on that. So, there's really only one choice for many of these people. Work and hope.