Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I don't know why they're still telling people to take it if it's recalled, but technically it doesn't look like there were any claims that the drug itself caused any cancers, just that it contained an ingredient that may.

So you're saying you're never going to take a drug that hasn't been tested for 20 years first?

Not if a nazi government agency like this liberal government is mandating that I take it. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And yet you guys are the main ones bringing up Trump recently...

You need a reset. This stuff is getting to you. 

[TimHauck 2,919]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Not if a nazi government agency like this liberal government is mandating that I take it. 

LOL, you weren't going to take it anyway, has nothing to do with a mandate

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, TimHauck said:

LOL, you weren't going to take it anyway, has nothing to do with a mandate

Whether I get it or not is not anyone's business but my own. Trusting the people who are pushing it at all costs has a lot to do with taking something or not. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

LOL, you weren't going to take it anyway, has nothing to do with a mandate

Kumonme said she wouldn't take it just to get elected.  Then went 180°.  Sound Nazi to me. 

[TimHauck 2,919]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Desantis is not pushing the vaccine? 

Not in the past ~3-4 months it seems.

 

 

This claims he did it once in August, but was in reference to the fact that he thought the old were already vaccinated - https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-twitter-monoclonal-treatment-30-times-august-vaccines-once-florida-1622482

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not in the past ~3-4 months it seems.

 

 

This claims he did it once in August, but was in reference to the fact that he thought the old were already vaccinated - https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-twitter-monoclonal-treatment-30-times-august-vaccines-once-florida-1622482

Good. No one should be PUSHING drugs on people. It should simply be an option if an individual cares to take it or not. 

[TimHauck 2,919]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Good. No one should be PUSHING drugs on people. It should simply be an option if an individual cares to take it or not. 

So Desantis shouldn't be pushing the Monoclonal Antibodies then?

[lod001 1,344]

Why would DeSantis push this disaster anymore since the newest numbers say that the failed jab juice may only last 4-6 months. Its a complete waste of time now since the CDC is recommending NOT to take a 3rd jab for those under 65. WTF take something that is useless in 6 months. Ye, you have the same protection as anyone who didn't take it. You will get just as sick as you would have if you didn't take it. Early treatment would have saved 1000s of lives that fauci snuffed out.

I just love how their science is tagged to ages and number of employees. Dumbest administration in the history of the USA.

[lod001 1,344]

Just now, TimHauck said:

So Desantis shouldn't be pushing the Monoclonal Antibodies then?

He's not 'mandating' it, dickwad.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So Desantis shouldn't be pushing the Monoclonal Antibodies then?

He should be outlining it as an option or as a point of view. Maybe I missed it, is he mandating something?

[jerryskids 6,838]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not in the past ~3-4 months it seems.

 

 

This claims he did it once in August, but was in reference to the fact that he thought the old were already vaccinated - https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-twitter-monoclonal-treatment-30-times-august-vaccines-once-florida-1622482

I just scanned his twitter feed, he tweets about a wide range of topics:

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis

The monoclonal antibody issue is recent since Biden decided to screw Florida over for their wise planning.  Separate topic but I guess Biden is considering Florida a lost cause for future elections, since he is alienating them this way.

Found this statement from July, which might help to explain his desire to not pummel his constituents with it.  

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While DeSantis stressed the importance and efficacy of the vaccine, he also warned against government officials pushing vaccination too hard.

“They have different reasons for why they don’t take it and I think the more they’re hectored by government officials or some of these folks – that is not going to get them to ‘yes.’ I can tell you that right now,” he said. “I think these are folks that have skepticism of authorities. I think they have different reasons why they may not do it. I don’t think most of them think COVID is a hoax or anything. I think they understand.”

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/vaccines-are-saving-lives-desantis-stresses-importance-of-shots-as-florida-covid-cases-spike-criticizes-mask-mandates/

If you read the entire thing it is quite clear that he supports vaccines, just not mandates or government overbearance.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I just scanned his twitter feed, he tweets about a wide range of topics:

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis

The monoclonal antibody issue is recent since Biden decided to screw Florida over for their wise planning.  Separate topic but I guess Biden is considering Florida a lost cause for future elections, since he is alienating them this way.

Found this statement from July, which might help to explain his desire to not pummel his constituents with it.  

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/vaccines-are-saving-lives-desantis-stresses-importance-of-shots-as-florida-covid-cases-spike-criticizes-mask-mandates/

If you read the entire thing it is quite clear that he supports vaccines, just not mandates or government overbearance.

Hence, he is normal and reasonable.

[TimHauck 2,919]

4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

He's not 'mandating' it, dickwad.

 

4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

He should be outlining it as an option or as a point of view. Maybe I missed it, is he mandating something?

 

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I just scanned his twitter feed, he tweets about a wide range of topics:

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis

The monoclonal antibody issue is recent since Biden decided to screw Florida over for their wise planning.  Separate topic but I guess Biden is considering Florida a lost cause for future elections, since he is alienating them this way.

Found this statement from July, which might help to explain his desire to not pummel his constituents with it.  

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/vaccines-are-saving-lives-desantis-stresses-importance-of-shots-as-florida-covid-cases-spike-criticizes-mask-mandates/

If you read the entire thing it is quite clear that he supports vaccines, just not mandates or government overbearance.

I never said he should mandate it, just encourage it.   Sorry I don't buy the "these folks have skepticism of authorities" bit assuming he's including himself in there.   If that were why he wasn't encouraging the vaccine, then he shouldn't be encouraging the monoclonal antibodies either.   But the fact is he just doesn't want to lose any votes over encouraging the vaccine.

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

I never said he should mandate it, just encourage it.   Sorry I don't buy the "these folks have skepticism of authorities" bit assuming he's including himself in there.   If that were why he wasn't encouraging the vaccine, then he shouldn't be encouraging the monoclonal antibodies either.   But the fact is he just doesn't want to lose any votes over encouraging the vaccine.

Why encourage it? He doesn't know all the affects it has on different humans now or in the future. And neither do you.

[jerryskids 6,838]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

I never said he should mandate it, just encourage it.   Sorry I don't buy the "these folks have skepticism of authorities" bit assuming he's including himself in there.   If that were why he wasn't encouraging the vaccine, then he shouldn't be encouraging the monoclonal antibodies either.   But the fact is he just doesn't want to lose any votes over encouraging the vaccine.

This is crap and your entire "he isn't ENCOURAGING it" position reeks of something you read on a liberal site.  In the past FIVE DAYS$#@!... get out of here with that.

Do you really think that somebody who follows him on twitter is going to see an encouraging vaccine tweet and think "you know, I've held off this long, but he's right dadblammit, jab away!"  

I've said it before but Biden and the Left seems to think that people have an information problem or need punishment to get the vaccine.  The problem is lack of trust, and calling people idiots or putting procedures in place to try to fire them are not the solution.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If you read the entire thing it is quite clear that he supports vaccines, just not mandates or government overbearance.

bot is parroting the vax mandate and "nothing else matters" mantra of the libs.  If you mention any other therapy, even in conjunction with the vax, you're an antivaxxer. 

[TimHauck 2,919]

15 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Why encourage it? He doesn't know all the affects it has on different humans now or in the future. And neither do you.

Does he know all the effects of monoclonal antibodies?

 

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This is crap and your entire "he isn't ENCOURAGING it" position reeks of something you read on a liberal site.  In the past FIVE DAYS$#@!... get out of here with that.

Do you really think that somebody who follows him on twitter is going to see an encouraging vaccine tweet and think "you know, I've held off this long, but he's right dadblammit, jab away!"  

I've said it before but Biden and the Left seems to think that people have an information problem or need punishment to get the vaccine.  The problem is lack of trust, and calling people idiots or putting procedures in place to try to fire them are not the solution.

Not five days...5 months.  

Some random tweet wouldn't convince people that hadn't gotten it yet, but if it was combined with some talking points about how bad their surge was in August, it may have.  Instead, he decided to hide how bad it was by basically delaying death reporting by 2+ weeks.

And I don't agree with the mandates.

 

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

bot is parroting the vax mandate and "nothing else matters" mantra of the libs.  If you mention any other therapy, even in conjunction with the vax, you're an antivaxxer. 

False.  I think he should encourage both the vaccine and the monoclonal antibodies.   

[jerryskids 6,838]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Does he know all the effects of monoclonal antibodies?

 

Not five days...5 months.  

Some random tweet wouldn't convince people that hadn't gotten it yet, but if it was combined with some talking points about how bad their surge was in August, it may have.  Instead, he decided to hide how bad it was by basically delaying death reporting by 2+ weeks.

And I don't agree with the mandates.

 

False.  I think he should encourage both the vaccine and the monoclonal antibodies.   

I was quoting your leading tweet in the "Desantis isn't ENCOURAGING enough!" lib mantra post, do you not even read what you post?  The entire point of that tweet was that he posted a bunch about monoclonal in the past week, you know, then Biden screwing them was front and center in the news.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

False.  I think he should encourage both the vaccine and the monoclonal antibodies.   

Which he is.  More botcuck lies. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Does he know all the effects of monoclonal antibodies?

Talk about avoiding amswering questions by asking other questions. Jeez.

[TimHauck 2,919]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I was quoting your leading tweet in the "Desantis isn't ENCOURAGING enough!" lib mantra post, do you not even read what you post?  The entire point of that tweet was that he posted a bunch about monoclonal in the past week, you know, then Biden screwing them was front and center in the news.

It's not that he's not encouraging it "enough," he hasn't really encouraged it at all during their recent wave as best I can tell.   He did a good job helping people get vaccinated early on, but seems to just be congratulating himself on that and now pivoting to the "early treatment" strategy, which may be helping slightly, but considering their current spike has gotten 50% higher than their previous highest point and the highest vaccinated states continue to see much better numbers, I think it's safe to conclude that Florida would have done better if they got more people vaccinated.

[TimHauck 2,919]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Why encourage it? He doesn't know all the affects it has on different humans now or in the future. And neither do you.

He did encourage it earlier in the year though.   But has essentially stopped once he got on the monoclonal antibody kick.

[Strike 5,591]

Quick poll.  How many people in here got vaccinated because a politician or news anchor encouraged them to do so?    How many who aren't vaccinated didn't do so because a politician or news anchor encouraged them not to? 

[lod001 1,344]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

He did encourage it earlier in the year though.   But has essentially stopped once he got on the monoclonal antibody kick.

Encouraging the jab juice is like sandbagging your property in New Orleans with a CAT 5 coming in. A total waste of time.

[jerryskids 6,838]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It's not that he's not encouraging it "enough," he hasn't really encouraged it at all during their recent wave as best I can tell.   He did a good job helping people get vaccinated early on, but seems to just be congratulating himself on that and now pivoting to the "early treatment" strategy, which may be helping slightly, but considering their current spike has gotten 50% higher than their previous highest point and the highest vaccinated states continue to see much better numbers, I think it's safe to conclude that Florida would have done better if they got more people vaccinated.

It IS that he isn't encouraging enough:

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“He seems to be trying to walk a very fine line, where he’s definitely not an anti-vaxxer, and he will occasionally give a side comment that, yes, people should still get the vaccine,” said Aubrey Jewett, a professor of political science at the University of Central Florida. “But he doesn’t seem to be willing to invest the political capital to hold events and do a public relations campaign to try to convince Republicans, in particular, to get this shot.”

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Whenever he’s asked why he isn’t backing vaccination as fervently as REGEN-COV, the name of the medicine made by the Regeneron company, the governor always points to the 50 or so vaccine events he held over the winter and spring.

“There is no single policy priority that Governor DeSantis has devoted more time to this year than promoting COVID-19 vaccination,” DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw said Thursday. “He did over 50 public appearances in 27 counties focused on the vaccines. ... If someone is truly opposed to getting vaccinated — after all this time, all the data we have, and all the reports that most people who are hospitalized are unvaccinated — one more press conference from any politician (especially a politician who has always promoted vaccination) is not going to change their minds.”

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-vaccines-20210826-ofvcqlb4fvgyzn4mndkgqkjtiy-story.html

That seems like a fairly liberal paper BTW.

[Utilit99 4,099]

I you want the vaccine, go get it.

If you don't want the vaccine, our government is putting pressure on companies to fire you.

Liberals are free to not wear masks but conservatives are to be shamed relentlessly.

Blacks don't factor in to the equation. 

[edjr 6,608]

3 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Good. No one should be PUSHING drugs on people. It should simply be an option if an individual cares to take it or not. 

someone should push a needle into you with potassium chloride

[Fireballer 2,643]

42 minutes ago, Strike said:

Quick poll.  How many people in here got vaccinated because a politician or news anchor encouraged them to do so?    How many who aren't vaccinated didn't do so because a politician or news anchor encouraged them not to? 

LMAO

[Fireballer 2,643]

12 minutes ago, edjr said:

someone should push a needle into you with potassium chloride

Reported!!!

[TimHauck 2,919]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It IS that he isn't encouraging enough:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-vaccines-20210826-ofvcqlb4fvgyzn4mndkgqkjtiy-story.html

That seems like a fairly liberal paper BTW.

He encouraged it early on, but not recently even after their deaths soared 50% higher than they had ever been.   I believe the "50 events" were all early in the year.   

I can see the argument for "is what Desantis says really going to sway anyone" and maybe it doesn't, but to that point I think it's fair to ask why then is he encouraging monoclonal antibodies so much.  That's not whataboutism, it's literally a treatment for the same thing that the vaccine does a better job at preventing.

[edjr 6,608]

46 minutes ago, Strike said:

Quick poll.  How many people in here got vaccinated because a politician or news anchor encouraged them to do so?    How many who aren't vaccinated didn't do so because a politician or news anchor encouraged them not to? 

I got vaccinated because a Kardashian told me to on twitter

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Quick poll.  How many people in here got vaccinated because a politician or news anchor encouraged them to do so?    How many who aren't vaccinated didn't do so because a politician or news anchor encouraged them not to? 

I can't believe how stupid this thread has gotten. People must be extremely bored.

[jerryskids 6,838]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He encouraged it early on, but not recently even after their deaths soared 50% higher than they had ever been.   I believe the "50 events" were all early in the year.   

I can see the argument for "is what Desantis says really going to sway anyone" and maybe it doesn't, but to that point I think it's fair to ask why then is he encouraging monoclonal antibodies so much.  That's not whataboutism, it's literally a treatment for the same thing that the vaccine does a better job at preventing.

You act like the dems, which isn't surprising.  Vaccines and monoclonal are not mutually exclusive no matter how badly your party tries to make them so.  You may have noticed that even vaccinated people can get Covid, it's in the news.  And that the feds think highly enough of it to ration it to Florida, which is why Desantis is tweeting about it.  And yes Tim, some people have chosen not get vaccinated -- should we help heal them, or should we let them die in hopes that one more push of the rope will get them to vaccinate?  I know your answer; it's the virtue signaling one that says you prioritized vaccines to the elimination of all therapeutics.   

[BudBro 183]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:53 PM, lod001 said:

Maybe they have figured out that they are a miserable failure, are certainly not the answer as treatment is and ivermectin works.

Or maybe they don't want to be the one holding the failed jab bag.

I kinda think the jab-pushers don't want a control group with which to compare outcomes over the next 1, 2 5, 10 years.  During the original trial study, all the control group took the vax, leaving nothing to compare.  This seems the only real reason for the push to continue.  All the science says the vax doesn't provide immunity at the level of surviving the virus, so half of all people have no need for the shot. 

Sept/Oct newborns will be the first in the covid vaccination time frame, too.  By the end of the year, there will be empirical data about effects on newborns. 

[TimHauck 2,919]

55 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You act like the dems, which isn't surprising.  Vaccines and monoclonal are not mutually exclusive no matter how badly your party tries to make them so.  You may have noticed that even vaccinated people can get Covid, it's in the news.  And that the feds think highly enough of it to ration it to Florida, which is why Desantis is tweeting about it.  And yes Tim, some people have chosen not get vaccinated -- should we help heal them, or should we let them die in hopes that one more push of the rope will get them to vaccinate?  I know your answer; it's the virtue signaling one that says you prioritized vaccines to the elimination of all therapeutics.   

Where did I say anything about "the elimination of therapeutics"?  I specifically said I think he should encourage BOTH the vaccine and monoclonal antibodies.  The vaccines are not perfect, but they work better at preventing serious covid than the monoclonal antibodies.

[MDC 7,498]

My company just sent an email requiring employees to provide proof of vaccination or they can’t come into the office or go to client meetings. If you refuse to provide a vaccination card they consider you unvaccinated and you’re barred.

Good for them.  

[lod001 1,344]

48 minutes ago, BudBro said:

I kinda think the jab-pushers don't want a control group with which to compare outcomes over the next 1, 2 5, 10 years.  During the original trial study, all the control group took the vax, leaving nothing to compare.  This seems the only real reason for the push to continue.  All the science says the vax doesn't provide immunity at the level of surviving the virus, so half of all people have no need for the shot. 

Sept/Oct newborns will be the first in the covid vaccination time frame, too.  By the end of the year, there will be empirical data about effects on newborns. 

Correct. I was just discussing that with someone here at work. That is why they are trying as hard as possible with every threat in the book to get everyone with at least one dose of jab juice. No control group, means you can blame any disaster caused by the juice on whatever you want.

[lod001 1,344]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

My company just sent an email requiring employees to provide proof of vaccination or they can’t come into the office or go to client meetings. If you refuse to provide a vaccination card they consider you unvaccinated and you’re barred.

Good for them.  

So you work at loserville. Not a surprise.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

My company just sent an email requiring employees to provide proof of vaccination or they can’t come into the office or go to client meetings. If you refuse to provide a vaccination card they consider you unvaccinated and you’re barred.

Good for them.  

Good you got vaxxed, those toilets aren't going to clean themselves.