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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've asked you countless times over the years for you to post your "experiences."  You've chosen not to post them.  And that's fine.  I'm still willing to listen.  I won't take them in to account unless you actually post them.  Your choice.

I wanted to rent an apartment and I was told yes over the phone and when I showed up they told me no, they made an excuse why they couldn't rent to me. We had spoken over the phone many times and I was finally coming in to look and when I showed up they told me no and wouldn't even show me the place. This was 1988.

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

I think his point is that you have to make a lot of money to live in nice white neighborhood if you're black. The doors are closed to you otherwise. Which is why Georgia has been such a relief. None of that seems to exist here.

Well, he is exaggerating, a LOT.

 

Georgia?  Red state, right?  Thought so.

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13 minutes ago, Strike said:

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No, I live in Georgia today which is more progressive. As a matter of fact, a white guy from Long Island lives here and we discussed how in his old neighborhood they would never have had a black person living there and how now in Georgia he not only has a black neighbors but his children have black friends and it's nothing. We're the same exact age, early 50's.

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5 minutes ago, peenie said:

You know, I have heard that argument. That the only reason why the penalties were so high was because it was so highly addictive and causing so many problems in the urban communities. That is a fair assessment.

If you want to get a handle on what happened with the crack sentencing guidelines, google Ted Kennedy/ Len Bias. 

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

No, I live in Georgia today which is more progressive. As a matter of fact, a white guy from Long Island lives here and we discussed how in his old neighborhood they would never have had a black person living there and how now in Georgia he not only has a black neighbors but his children have black friends and it's nothing. We're the same exact age, early 50's.

Cost of living in the south is WAY less than the cost of living in the north east.  A dollar goes much further in the south that in the northeast.  Go look at an electoral map one day.  Let me know what area's are red and which are blue.

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

I wanted to rent an apartment and I was told yes over the phone and when I showed up they told me no, they made an excuse why they couldn't rent to me. We had spoken over the phone many times and I was finally coming in to look and when I showed up they told me no and wouldn't even show me the place. This was 1988.

So you have one story from 32 years ago.  Do you not think that we have made progress since then?  FFS most of the protestors protesting right now for BLACK rights are white. 

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51 minutes ago, peenie said:

I am not an authority, I can only speak about my experience.

New Jersey, where I'm from, is segregated. As a black person, no matter how nice I am, hard working, I cannot live where I want to live. Blacks are forced to live in overcrowded urban areas where there are no or little access to resources such as grocery stores. Nothing is near. There are miles of areas of just people living in poverty, no stores, no jobs, only government low income housing filled with blacks. The thing is, if you are poor and need low income housing there are options if you are white. You are not sent to Newark projects, you are sent to suburban apartments and no one knows you are living in subsidized housing. You are just a tenant. Everyone else is working. They don't know you are living in a subsidized rented apartment or home. Blacks are forced or relegated to projects where you are in a food desert. It's all poor people for miles and miles. That was not created by blacks. The schools have nothing in them. The books aren't modern, there is no air conditioning or equipment and the teachers tend to be....not the best. They aren't completely certified...there are alternative means to become a teacher and we tended to get those teachers (hadn't graduated yet-we had loads of subs).

Even if you have the brains, means and motivation to move out of your community, racism prevents you from purchasing out of your neighborhood as people refuse to rent or sell to blacks. Even if you are a good person, as most people are, they refuse. Times have changed, yes, but still today, I cannot rent or buy in the Ironbound section of Newark. There are locked neighborhoods.

Structural...

Blacks were not given GI loans to buy homes. Whites were and were able to buy homes in the suburbs that increased value. Their children grew up in safety and their children were able to inherit the wealth that those homes in those safe communities provided.

Redlining....

Businesses were not allowed to open in certain (black) areas, not due to crime but simply the color of the population. Scarce resources begets a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now crime grows since there is a lack of jobs.

 

From Structural... on down, those issues have been resolved for over 50 years, before either of us were born.

As for the first half of your post, if true, and I do struggle with the notion that it is since it seems near impossible to conceive in 2020, but with evidence, then that is real anti-black racism, it's offensive, and I would absolutely stand by the black community and help to resolve the situation.

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18 minutes ago, peenie said:

I think his point is that you have to make a lot of money to live in nice white neighborhood if you're black. The doors are closed to you otherwise. Which is why Georgia has been such a relief. None of that seems to exist here.

At one  point I lived in Mapke Shade NJ, and for a while on the other side of the state in Montclair NJ. Black residents all over the place. I saw them all daily in my neighborhoods. Interacted with them daily. 

And to your comment about it taking money to live in nice white neighborhoods, that applies to white people too. When I was in Montclair I lived in a place I could never afford years earlier.

Years back, I moved to a totally black neighborhood in Hartford CT.  They did not want me there. I layed low and moved out after a year. In the multiple neighborhoods I had lived in Jersey, black folks were not treated any differently than whites.

You should stop telling people that they are lying if they they know what they know and you just don't choose to see it.

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If you want to get a handle on what happened with the crack sentencing guidelines, google Ted Kennedy/ Len Bias. 

Len Bias.... I love that guy... 

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In nice neighborhoods, black people don’t have to pay more for a house than a white person. It’s market value. That claim is the dumbest thing I’ve read in this forum...today. 

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15 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

In nice neighborhoods, black people don’t have to pay more for a house than a white person. It’s market value. That claim is the dumbest thing I’ve read in this forum...today. 

No one is saying that. You are misunderstanding. The house is the same but they are not willing to sell to blacks. Chris Rock himself explained that to live in an ordinary upscale white neighborhood you have to be a celebrity.

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49 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

At one  point I lived in Mapke Shade NJ, and for a while on the other side of the state in Montclair NJ. Black residents all over the place. I saw them all daily in my neighborhoods. Interacted with them daily. 

And to your comment about it taking money to live in nice white neighborhoods, that applies to white people too. When I was in Montclair I lived in a place I could never afford years earlier.

Years back, I moved to a totally black neighborhood in Hartford CT.  They did not want me there. I layed low and moved out after a year. In the multiple neighborhoods I had lived in Jersey, black folks were not treated any differently than whites.

You should stop telling people that they are lying if they they know what they know and you just don't choose to see it.

Montclair is notoriously integrated, NOW.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

So you have one story from 32 years ago.  Do you not think that we have made progress since then?  FFS most of the protestors protesting right now for BLACK rights are white. 

Yes, of course, there is progress. I mean, I'm sure Georgia was different than it was 30 years ago, but there are still barriers for those stuck in poor neighborhoods.

The video I posted showed that they don't show blacks houses in white neighborhoods! They are steering, still, today. They have always done it. You guys just refuse to believe it.

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

No one is saying that. You are misunderstanding. The house is the same but they are not willing to sell to blacks. Chris Rock himself explained that to live in an ordinary upscale white neighborhood you have to be a celebrity.

Who's they? If you outbid a white person for my house by a dollar, I'll sell you, I'd be a fool not to, and I doubt the neighbors would care.

(Well hypothetical house in the US. I did but an apartment in China.)

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5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Who's they? If you outbid a white person for my house by a dollar, I'll sell you, I'd be a fool not to, and I doubt the neighbors would care.

(Well hypothetical house in the US. I did but an apartment in China.)

People don't want blacks in their neighborhoods and I grew up seeing this all over the news all the time and I just can't understand how you all are denying this.

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58 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

From Structural... on down, those issues have been resolved for over 50 years, before either of us were born.

As for the first half of your post, if true, and I do struggle with the notion that it is since it seems near impossible to conceive in 2020, but with evidence, then that is real anti-black racism, it's offensive, and I would absolutely stand by the black community and help to resolve the situation.

Newark is in Essex County.  I mentioned in an earlier response to her.  They're all Democrat up there.  Have been for 50+ years.  Any problems she had up there, they were caused by Democrats.  Newark hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1962.  Here's another kicker.  Since 1970, they've only had 5 different mayors, not one was a white man.  From 1970 to 1986, it was Kenneth Allen Gibson, black man.  After him until 2006, another black man... then Cory Booker until 2013.  That's 43 straight years of black male leadership.  No one up there votes for or runs as, a Republican.  Hasn't since the 1950's.  The people up there vote Democrat.  Seriously, when Cory Booker won in 2006, he got 72% of the votes.  Here's the kicker.  Up in Newark, they all run as "non-partisan".  Meaning, do you know who was in 2nd place in that 2006 election?  A black democrat who got 24% of the votes.  If she's complaining, she's complaining about Democrats, but still votes for them.

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Just now, peenie said:

People don't want blacks in their neighborhoods and I grew up seeing this all over the news all the time and I just can't understand how you all are denying this.

I don’t want liberals in my neighborhood.  Of any color.  But I have no say in the matter, so why bring it up? 

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6 minutes ago, peenie said:

Yes, of course, there is progress. I mean, I'm sure Georgia was different than it was 30 years ago, but there are still barriers for those stuck in poor neighborhoods.

The video I posted showed that they don't show blacks houses in white neighborhoods! They are steering, still, today. They have always done it. You guys just refuse to believe it.

I watched that video.  It didn't say the bolded.  It said 40% weren't shown houses in white neighborhoods.  Not none.  And 40% still sucks.  It's also illegal and should be prosecuted.  It's also ONE area.  I'm surprised that would happen in NY, which is the ultimate melting pot.   But whatever.  Nothing is ever going to be perfect.  But your assertion is that black people can't move to nice areas even if they have money.  Well, I've proven you wrong with specific examples and I categorically reject that assertion.  Plenty of black people live in plenty of nice areas.  Posting a story about ONE specific area in this vast country doesn't make it a valid generalization. 

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

People don't want blacks in their neighborhoods and I grew up seeing this all over the news all the time and I just can't understand how you all are denying this.

Because we're talking about now, not 1980.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I watched that video.  It didn't say the bolded.  It said 40% weren't shown houses in white neighborhoods.  Not none.  And 40% still sucks.  It's also illegal and should be prosecuted.  It's also ONE area.  I'm surprised that would happen in NY, which is the ultimate melting pot.   But whatever.  Nothing is ever going to be perfect.  But your assertion is that black people can't move to nice areas even if they have money.  Well, I've proven you wrong with specific examples and I categorically reject that assertion.  Plenty of black people live in plenty of nice areas.  Posting a story about ONE specific area in this vast country doesn't make it a valid generalization. 

Nassau County is 62% Democrat.

Also, the video said they WEREN'T showed houses in white neighborhoods 40% of the time, meaning they were shown 60% of the time.  Again, it's not good, but it's better.  Still, they're mostly Democrats up there.

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My point is that you can look and see barriers that existed in the 1980's, right? I'm saying that children born in poor areas because of those barriers had their lives affected by their inability to grow and thrive.

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

 

No one argues that racism exists.  It's just disagreed on who the racists are.  Facts support Democrats, sadly, no one looks at them.

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Nassau County is 62% Democrat.

Also, the video said they WEREN'T showed houses in white neighborhoods 40% of the time, meaning they were shown 60% of the time.  Again, it's not good, but it's better.  Still, they're mostly Democrats up there.

As Malcolm X said: you can't pull a knife half way out of my back and call it progress.

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2 minutes ago, peenie said:

My point is that you can look and see barriers that existed in the 1980's, right? I'm saying that children born in poor areas because of those barriers had their lives affected by their inability to grow and thrive.

Yup!  And those barriers were put in place by Democrats.  Specifically, black men!  In Newark, where you said the problem was, from 1970 to 2013, the mayor of Newark were only 3 black men.  All 3 were Democrats.

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Just now, peenie said:

As Malcolm X said: you can't pull a knife half way out of my back and call it progress.

I said that it wasn't good.  I just pointed out that the area is mostly Democrat.

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Well, I appreciate you all trying to help me see your point of view and I hope you all work to see my point as well. I gotta go work in the lab now.

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

My point is that you can look and see barriers that existed in the 1980's, right? I'm saying that children born in poor areas because of those barriers had their lives affected by their inability to grow and thrive.

No, not right.  All I have is your representation of such.  I was a teenager in the 80's, as were you, so I wasn't really watching real estate.  I'm not going to go do a bunch of research because I prefer to focus on what we can do NOW.  I'm sorry for people who may have been impacted by some form of racism in the past.  I truly am.  But your assertion was that there is institutionalized racism NOW.  Now you're moving the goalposts, which is what people do when they lose an argument.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

I said that it wasn't good.  I just pointed out that the area is mostly Democrat.

True.

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2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Well, I appreciate you all trying to help me see your point of view and I hope you all work to see my point as well. I gotta go work in the lab now.

Enjoy your day.  

 

I'm free for another hour and a half.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

No, not right.  All I have is your representation of such.  I was a teenager in the 80's, as were you, so I wasn't really watching real estate.  I'm not going to go do a bunch of research because I prefer to focus on what we can do NOW.  I'm sorry for people who may have been impacted by some form of racism in the past.  I truly am.  But your assertion was that there is institutionalized racism NOW.  Now you're moving the goalposts, which is what people do when they lose an argument.

But they are there because they existed in the past. How can you grow into a proper adult if you were forced to live in a substandard neighborhood? You can't compete. Your life isn't as full and your children's lives are impacted. Therefore the structures that prevented your success that may be gone today can't help you because your life has already been shaped and your path isn't easily changed. My path was changed because someone literally took me out of the ghetto. Otherwise, I might still be there!

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

But they are there because they existed in the past. How can you grow into a proper adult if you were forced to live in a substandard neighborhood? You can't compete. Your life isn't as full and your children's lives are impacted. Therefore the structures that prevented your success that may be gone today can't help you because your life has already been shaped and your path isn't easily changed. My path was changed because someone literally took me out of the ghetto. Otherwise, I might still be there!

You're better off where you are.  At some point, I'm moving to a red state too.

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28 minutes ago, peenie said:

People don't want blacks in their neighborhoods and I grew up seeing this all over the news all the time and I just can't understand how you all are denying this.

He lives in China. HTH.

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18 minutes ago, peenie said:

But they are there because they existed in the past. How can you grow into a proper adult if you were forced to live in a substandard neighborhood? You can't compete. Your life isn't as full and your children's lives are impacted. Therefore the structures that prevented your success that may be gone today can't help you because your life has already been shaped and your path isn't easily changed. My path was changed because someone literally took me out of the ghetto. Otherwise, I might still be there!

People came here with literally the clothes on their backs to get a better life.  Somehow they worked themselves out of the hood.  Instead of lamenting the conditions of 30-50 years ago the people in the hood should be working to better their lives and their children's lives.  There is literally nothing we can do that will change the upbringing someone had.  We've tried for the last 50 years and we're literally in a worse place than we were then.  All you want to do every time there's a discussion about the plight of black people is harp on how they were treated in the PAST.  I keep trying to offer solutions to help in the PRESENT and the FUTURE.  You do you.  I'm gonna keep doing me.

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Why do you think they called it the “paddy wagon”? 

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28 pct of blacks in California live below the poverty line, vs 22 pct nationwide. Nice work libtards. 

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14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

28 pct of blacks in California live below the poverty line, vs 22 pct nationwide. Nice work libtards. 

Do you know what the 2008 and 2016 have in common?  The poverty rate for black people in America... 24%.  For white people, it went up from 9% to 10%.  Interesting, eh?  Obama did great things for black people... but apparently income wasn't one them.  Down to 22% you say now though eh?  To think, I thought wasn't doing anything for black people.

 

Maybe Obama wasn't so bad after all.  In 2008, the poverty rate for black people in CA was 20%... it was up to 22% in 2016.  He slowed down how much CA was marginalizing black people.  Although, in 2018, prior to all of this garbage, CA was back down to 20%.  Guess Trump was better at it than Obama.  What a racist.

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16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Do you know what the 2008 and 2016 have in common?  The poverty rate for black people in America... 24%.  For white people, it went up from 9% to 10%.  Interesting, eh?  Obama did great things for black people... but apparently income wasn't one them.  Down to 22% you say now though eh?  To think, I thought wasn't doing anything for black people.

 

Maybe Obama wasn't so bad after all.  In 2008, the poverty rate for black people in CA was 20%... it was up to 22% in 2016.  He slowed down how much CA was marginalizing black people.  Although, in 2018, prior to all of this garbage, CA was back down to 20%.  Guess Trump was better at it than Obama.  What a racist.

Worst racist ever.  Never heard of a racist that let Black people out of prison in the thousands. 

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The following is from Alveda King, Dr. King's niece, speaking about Obama's eulogy at John Lewis' funeral:

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"I guess we should have expected that the left, including President Obama, would take that occasion for a political moment. They’ll grab at any opportunity, that’s to be understood.”

She continued, “I’ve chosen not to politicize the death of Congressman Lewis, but remember him as a peaceful, nonviolent warrior, and encourage everyone to resolve our conflicts peacefully. However, President Obama, with wordplay, took us back to the 1960s. That was a time when segregation was still on the books, segregation was still legal, and those in power, some of them were trying to enforce that and keep that. Today when the National Guard goes in or state troopers, they are trying to protect the people of America in every community and to save lives and protect people. There is a totally distinct difference. Also implying without calling any names— he was very clever not to call any names saying that there was an effort to undermine the voting process, you know. Actually, President Trump is saying, people, please pay attention, we do want you to vote, use your absentee ballots, go to the polls. He’s even encouraged, you know, people to be poll watchers and poll workers and that kind of thing. President Trump is not trying to suppress the vote.”

She added, “We do want people to vote safely, and we need the voting process to be fair, and so to politicize the funeral of a peaceful warrior — I mean, I guess they grabbed at an opportunity to be political.”

 

 

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

The following is from Alveda King, Dr. King's niece, speaking about Obama's eulogy at John Lewis' funeral:

 

Her uncle is probably rolling over in his grave.  Did she have anything to say about John Lewis' posthumous letter to himself?