Are we witnessing a Coup d'état?

[fandandy 3,313]

It's beginning to look that way.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

For almost 4 years... they'll continue to fail 

[Fireballer 2,666]

Absolutely an attempt.  The anarchists hope to dismantle gov and they have figured out a way so those opposing them will be shouted down as racists.  Brilliant. 

[Bier Meister 1,738]

Not my revolution.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Are these those little crab puff things? I love those.

[taco breath 424]

its all french to me.

[SUXBNME 1,590]

Tomorrow you're homeless, tonight it's a blast 

[Big Guy 1,416]

4 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

Not my revolution.

Not your monkeys, not your Circus?

[Bier Meister 1,738]

1 hour ago, Big Guy said:

Not your monkeys, not your Circus?

protesting is fine.  I am not happy about violence/destruction/looting. From what I have learned about misc revolutions there seemed to be oppression, vision, and purpose.  I believe that systemic racism exists, but think that a lot of people out there are just going after a money grab and not necessarily doing positive for appropriate change. 

 

I am behind the cause, but don't love the method or movement.

[Utilit99 4,099]

19 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

protesting is fine.  I am not happy about violence/destruction/looting. From what I have learned about misc revolutions there seemed to be oppression, vision, and purpose.  I believe that systemic racism exists, but think that a lot of people out there are just going after a money grab and not necessarily doing positive for appropriate change. 

 

I am behind the cause, but don't love the method or movement.

Other than blacks being racist against whites, what is that "systemic racism" that you claim exists?

[Bier Meister 1,738]

36 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Other than blacks being racist against whites, what is that "system racism" that you claim exists?

A few examples:

• In their book “Suspect Citizens,” Frank R. Baumgartner, Derek A. Epp and Kelsey Shoub reviewed 20 million traffic stops. In an interview with The Post, they shared what they found: “Blacks are almost twice as likely to be pulled over as whites — even though whites drive more on average,” “blacks are more likely to be searched following a stop,” and “just by getting in a car, a black driver has about twice the odds of being pulled over, and about four times the odds of being searched.” They found that blacks were more likely to be searched despite the fact they’re less likely to be found with contraband as a result of those searches.
• A 2013 Justice Department study found that black and Latino drivers are more likely to be searched once they have been pulled over. About 2 percent of white motorists were searched, vs. 6 percent of black drivers and 7 percent of Latinos.
• In 2015, the Charleston Post and Courier looked at incidents in which police stopped motorists but didn’t issue a citation. These are sometimes called “pretext stops,” because they suggest that the officer was profiling the motorist as a possible drug courier or suspected the motorist of other crimes. The paper found that after adjusting for population, blacks in nearly every part of the state were significantly more likely to be the subject of such stops.
• A 2017 study of 4.5 million traffic stops by the 100 largest police departments in North Carolina found that blacks and Latinos were more likely to be searched than whites (5.4 percent, 4.1 percent and 3.1 percent, respectively), even though searches of white motorists were more likely than the others to turn up contraband (whites: 32 percent, blacks: 29 percent, Latinos: 19 percent).
• According to the Justice Department, between 2012 and 2014, black people in Ferguson, Mo., accounted for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations and 93 percent of arrests, despite comprising 67 percent of the population. Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be searched after traffic stops, even though they proved to be 26 percent less likely to be in possession of illegal drugs or weapons.  Between 2011 and 2013, blacks also received 95 percent of jaywalking tickets and 94 percent of tickets for “failure to comply.” The Justice Department also found that the racial discrepancy for speeding tickets increased dramatically when researchers looked at tickets based on only an officer’s word vs. tickets based on objective evidence, such as vs. radar. Black people facing similar low-level charges as white people were 68 percent less likely to see those charges dismissed in court. More than 90 percent of the arrest warrants stemming from failure to pay/failure to appear were issued for black people.
• These figures are similar to others throughout St. Louis County. For example, in the town of Florissant, 71 percent of the motorists pulled over by police in 2013 were black. Blacks make up 27 percent of the town at the time (they now make up 33 percent). Blacks were also twice as likely to be searched after a stop, even though white motorists were more likely to be found with contraband.
• A study of “investigatory” traffic stops — that is, stops that did not result in a citation — by police in Kansas City found that blacks were 2.7 times more likely to be pulled over in an investigatory stop, and five times more likely to be searched.
• A study of stop and frisk incidents in Boston between 2007 and 2010 that did not result in a citation or arrest found that 63 percent of such stops were of black people. Blacks made up 24 percent of the city’s population. Incredibly, 97.5 percent of these encounters resulted in no arrest or seizure of contraband.
• A 2015 statistical analysis of police shootings from 2011 to 2014 found that the racial disparity in police shootings of black people could not be explained by higher crime rates in majority-black communities.
• A 2018 Post investigation found that murders of white people are more likely to be solved than murders of black people. There’s also a strong correlation between areas that are black-majority and low-income and the areas with the lowest clearance rate for homicides.
• Similarly, a study published in June reviewed every reported homicide between 1976 and 2009 and found that “homicides with white victims are significantly more likely to be ‘cleared’ by the arrest of a suspect than are homicides with minority victims.”
• Another ACLU study, this time on the use of stop-and-frisk in Milwaukee between 2010 and 2017, found that in nearly half of the more than 700,000 such stops, the police failed to demonstrate reasonable suspicion as required by the Constitution. The study found that between pedestrian stops and traffic stops, black people were six times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, and that less than 1 percent of those searches turned up any contraband. Here again, while black and Latino drivers were more likely to be searched, they were 20 percent less likely to be in possession of any contraband.
• Going back to 2002, data show that when New York City was implementing its stop-and-frisk policy, white people generally made up only about 10 percent of such stops, despite making up about 45 percent of the city. Black and Latino people made up more than 80 percent of the stops, despite making up just over half the city population. Consistently, between 85 and 90 percent of such stops produced no arrest, citation or evidence of criminal activity. Fewer than 1 percent of stops produced a gun, the alleged reason for the policy.
• Between 2012 and 2014, the Los Angeles Police Department received more than 1,350 citizen complaints of racial profiling. The department didn’t uphold a single complaint.
• A 2016 report found that between 2011 and 2015, black drivers in Nashville’s Davidson County were pulled over at a rate of 1,122 stops per 1,000 drivers — so on average, more than once per black driver. Black drivers were also searched at twice the rate of white drivers, though — as in other jurisdictions — searches of white drivers were more likely to turn up contraband.
• A 2017 study of interactions between officers and citizens taken from footage captured by police officer body cameras found that “officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop.”
• An NAACP survey of citizen complaints against police officers in North Charleston, S.C., between 2006 and 2016 found that complaints by white citizens were about two-thirds more likely to be sustained than complaints filed by black citizens. When the complainant alleged excessive force, white complaints were sustained seven times more often than black complaints.
• A 2015 study found that though black women are just 6 percent of the female population of San Francisco, they account for 45.5 percent of female arrests.

[Bier Meister 1,738]

a few more:

 

• A national study of misdemeanor arrests published this year in the Boston University Law Review found that the “black arrest rate is at least twice as high as the white arrest rate for disorderly conduct, drug possession, simple assault, theft, vagrancy, and vandalism. The black arrest rate for prostitution is almost five times higher than the white arrest rate, and the black arrest rate for gambling is almost ten times higher.”
• According to a Justice Department study released in 2013, throughout the United States, black drivers are about 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white drivers. Black drivers are also more likely to be pulled over for alleged mechanical or equipment problems with their automobiles, or for record checks. White people are actually more likely to get pulled over for noticeable traffic violations such as speeding. Black drivers are more likely to not be told why they were pulled over.
• Between 2001 and 2013, blacks and Latinos made up 51 percent of the population of New York City, but about 80 percent of the misdemeanor arrests and summonses.
• In 2016, the ACLU of Florida released a report that found that black drivers in that state were twice as likely to be pulled over for seat-belt violations as white drivers.
• A 2017 Chicago Tribune investigation found that as the city ramped up its ticketing of bicyclists, black neighborhoods received more than twice as many citations as white and Latino neighborhoods. A year later, black neighborhoods were getting three times more bicycle tickets than white neighborhoods.
• A ProPublica and Florida Times-Union report published last year showed that black residents of Jacksonville are three times more likely to receive a citation for a pedestrian violation than white residents. The report found no correlation between aggressive enforcement of jaywalking laws and where pedestrians were most likely to be struck by cars and killed. Instead, they found that most citations were issued in majority-black neighborhoods. Residents of the three poorest zip codes in the city, for example, were about six times more likely to get pedestrian citation tickets.
• A study of traffic citations issued in the Cleveland area in 2009 found that while blacks represented 38 percent of the driving population, they received 59 percent of police citations. Interestingly, when it comes to readily observable violations such as red-light running or speeding, the numbers were more even — whites actually received a greater percentage of speeding tickets. Black motorists, however, were far more likely to be pulled over and cited for violations that are either much less obvious (they received 61 percent of seat-belt violations) or that aren’t readily observable at all (they received 79 percent of the citations for driving on a suspended license).
• Missouri has been keeping data on traffic stops for 18 years, and for 18 years, the numbers consistently show that statewide, black people are more likely to be pulled over than white people. The data from 2017 showed the problem actually got worse, with blacks 85 percent more likely to be stopped. 
• A 2015 ACLU study of four cities in New Jersey found that black people were 2.6 to 9.6 times more likely to be arrested than white people for low-level offenses.

[Bier Meister 1,738]

• While white people make up less than half of the country’s murder victims, a 2003 study by Amnesty International found that about 80 percent of the people on death row in the United States killed a white person.
• A 2012 study of Harris County, Tex., cases found that people who killed white victims were 2.5 times more likely to be sentenced to the death penalty than other killers.
• In Delaware, according to a 2012 study, “black defendants who kill white victims are seven times as likely to receive the death penalty as are black defendants who kill black victims. … Moreover, black defendants who kill white victims are more than three times as likely to be sentenced to death as are white defendants who kill white victims.”
• A study of death penalty rates of black perpetrators/white victims vs. white perpetrators/black victims through 1999 showed similar discrepancies. Interestingly, the study found that blacks are underrepresented on death row in proportion to the proportion of murders they commit. But this is largely because most black murderers kill other black people, and prosecutors are far less likely to seek the death penalty when the victim is black.
• A study of North Carolina murder cases from 1980 through 2007 found that murderers who kill white people are three times more likely to get the death penalty than murderers who kill black people.
• A 2000 study commissioned by then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) found that the state had, as of that time, never executed a white person for killing a black person.
• A 2004 study of Illinois, Georgia, Maryland and Florida estimated that “one quarter to one third of death sentenced defendants with white victims would have avoided the death penalty if their victims had been black.”
• According to a 2002 study commissioned by then-Gov. Frank O’Bannon (D), Indiana had executed only one person for killing a nonwhite victim, and though 47 percent of homicides in the state involved nonwhite victims, just 16 percent of the state’s death sentences did.
• Studies in Maryland, New Jersey, Virginia, Utah and the federal criminal-justice system produced similar results.
• A 2014 study looking at 33 years of data found that after adjusting for variables such as the number of victims and brutality of the crimes, jurors in Washington state were 4.5 times more likely to impose the death penalty on black defendants accused of aggravated murder than on white ones.
• Black people are also more likely to be wrongly convicted of murder when the victim was white. Only about 15 percent of people killed by black people were white, but 31 percent of black exonorees were wrongly convicted of killing white people. More generally, black people convicted of murder are 50 percent more likely to be innocent than white people convicted of murder.
• Innocent black people are also 3.5 times more likely than white people to be wrongly convicted of sexual assault and 12 times more likely to be wrongly convicted of drug crimes. (And remember, data on wrongful convictions is limited in that it can only consider the wrongful convictions we know about.)
• A 2000 study of federal cases found that federal prosecutors were about 50 percent more likely to offer a plea bargain to white murder suspects than black suspects that allowed them to avoid the death penalty.
• In Houston County, Ala., prosecutors struck 80 percent of black people from juries in death penalty cases.
• In Tennessee, blacks make up 17 percent of the population but 44 percent of death row. In the last 10 years, eight of the nine death sentences handed down in the state were to black defendants.
• A 2006 Stanford report found that when a black person was accused of killing a white person, defendants with darker skin and more “stereotypically black” features were twice as likely to receive a death sentence. When the victim was black, there was almost no difference.
• A 2016 study found that in Louisiana, killers of white victims were 14 times more likely to be executed than killers of black victims. Black men who killed white women were 30 times more likely to get the death penalty than black men who killed black men. Those convicted of killing white people were also less likely to have their sentences overturned on appeal, and Louisiana hasn’t executed a white person for killing a black person since 1752.
• Studies in other states have produced similar results: In Oklahoma, killers of white women were 9.5 times more likely to get the death penalty than killers of minority men. In Ohio, they were 6 times more likely, and in Florida, 6.5 times more likely.

[Bier Meister 1,738]

• A 2015 study by the Women Donors Network found that in three-fifths of the states where prosecutors are elected, there isn’t a single black prosecutor. Overall, the study found that in the United States, 95 percent of elected prosecutors are white, and nearly 80 percent are white men. In nine death penalty states (Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Wyoming), all of the elected district attorneys were white in 2015.
• A 2017 study of about 48,000 criminal cases in Wisconsin showed that white defendants were 25 percent more likely than black defendants to have their most serious charge dismissed in a plea bargain. Among defendants facing misdemeanor charges that could carry a sentence of incarceration, whites were 75 percent more likely to have those charges dropped, dismissed or reduced to a charge that did not include such a punishment.
• A 2014 study of Manhattan criminal cases found that black defendants were 19 percent more likely to be offered plea deals that included jail time.
• A 2011 summary of the research on race and plea bargaining published by the Bureau of Justice Assistance concluded that “the majority of research on race and sentencing outcomes shows that blacks are less likely than whites to receive reduced pleas,” that “studies that assess the effects of race find that blacks are less likely to receive a reduced charge compared with whites,” and that “studies have generally found a relationship between race and whether or not a defendant receives a reduced charge.”
• A 2016 review of nearly 474,000 criminal cases in Hampton Roads, Va., found that whites were more likely to get plea deals that resulted in no jail time for drug offenses. While facing charges of drug distribution, 48 percent of whites received plea bargains with no jail time, vs. 22 percent of blacks. Among those with prior criminal records who pleaded guilty to robbery, 36 percent of whites got no jail time, vs. 8 percent of blacks.
• A 2013 study found that after adjusting for numerous other variables, federal prosecutors were almost twice as likely to bring charges carrying mandatory minimums against black defendants as against white defendants accused of similar crimes.
• A 2008 analysis found that black defendants with multiple prior convictions are 28 percent more likely to be charged as “habitual offenders” than white defendants with similar criminal records. The authors conclude that “assessments of dangerousness and culpability are linked to race and ethnicity, even after offense seriousness and prior record are controlled.”

[Utilit99 4,099]

Dude, you should really take a long vacation and hang out in certain parts of Baltimore, or the south and west sides of Chicago, or Trenton New Jersey, or certain black areas of Washington DC, or Hartford, CT or etc...

52% of violent crimes in this country are committed by blacks even though they are only 13% of the population. All you got are a bunch of liberal funded narratives. 

When more cops are getting killed by blacks at a rate of 18x more than the cops are killing blacks, then systemic racism is really on the other side of whatever points you are trying to make.

5 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

protesting is fine.  I am not happy about violence/destruction/looting. From what I have learned about misc revolutions there seemed to be oppression, vision, and purpose.  I believe that systemic racism exists, but think that a lot of people out there are just going after a money grab and not necessarily doing positive for appropriate change. 

 

I am behind the cause, but don't love the method or movement.

 

 

[Bier Meister 1,738]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Dude, you should really take a long vacation and hang out in certain parts of Baltimore, or the south and west sides of Chicago, or Trenton New Jersey, or certain black areas of Washington DC, or Hartford, CT or etc...

52% of violent crimes in this country are committed by blacks even though they are only 13% of the population. All you got are a bunch of liberal funded narratives. 

When more cops are getting killed by blacks at a rate of 18x more than the cops are killing blacks, then systemic racism is really on the other side of whatever points you are trying to make.

 

 

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

I usually only like myths in movies, tv shows, and books. Not in trying to shape a country.

So you keep on keeping on embracing the myth of white systemic racism.

In this day and age there is no bigger group of racists in this country than black people and the democrats.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

You could argue that, once you control the press and most corporations, you don't NEED to win elections.  The corporations will fund the projects you want completed, and the press will bully most politicians into compliance.  To complete the setup, they just trot out a former president to organize from the top (Obama).  Obama begins to ACT presidential even though he is not elected.  He gives pressers, crafts policy and distributes it to the corporations and media. 

Pretty soon, Obama may do televised summits with world leaders just like a president.  World leaders will stop meeting with Trump and only meet with Obama, legitimizing Obama even more.  The summits will be sponsored and funded by corporations run by democrats.  The actual elected president is simply "not recognized" much like Taiwan is not recognized in favor of China.

While they aren't passing laws, they may form a quasi-governing body made up 100% of the far left.  They will debate policy and fund new programs from a pool of corporate money.  The police will not be recognized and be made to kneel or sit idle if they show up and reminded of George Floyd if they don't comply.  The democrats run every city so they can just replace the police with Antifa that are funded by corporations. 

The only thing they can't do is raise their own army.  And that's where they run into a problem.  Because all of the things I listed above can be seen as insurrection and the federal government will eventually combat it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,784]

2 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

The cure for what ails the situation is to stop pulling over or arresting so many minorities.   Consider it done. There is going to be one side in all of this that is going to get their way. All those stops and  arrests you cited are going to take a dramatic downturn.  Not going to be an issue going forward. Congrats.  

[fandandy 3,313]

5 hours ago, riversco said:

You could argue that, once you control the press and most corporations, you don't NEED to win elections.  The corporations will fund the projects you want completed, and the press will bully most politicians into compliance.  To complete the setup, they just trot out a former president to organize from the top (Obama).  Obama begins to ACT presidential even though he is not elected.  He gives pressers, crafts policy and distributes it to the corporations and media. 

Pretty soon, Obama may do televised summits with world leaders just like a president.  World leaders will stop meeting with Trump and only meet with Obama, legitimizing Obama even more.  The summits will be sponsored and funded by corporations run by democrats.  The actual elected president is simply "not recognized" much like Taiwan is not recognized in favor of China.

While they aren't passing laws, they may form a quasi-governing body made up 100% of the far left.  They will debate policy and fund new programs from a pool of corporate money.  The police will not be recognized and be made to kneel or sit idle if they show up and reminded of George Floyd if they don't comply.  The democrats run every city so they can just replace the police with Antifa that are funded by corporations. 

The only thing they can't do is raise their own army.  And that's where they run into a problem.  Because all of the things I listed above can be seen as insurrection and the federal government will eventually combat it.

Great post.

[Masshole 642]

7 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

I thought about breaking down the stats that Bier Meister cites one by one, but that would be tedious and I don't have the time.     Just picking a couple of examples:

"Black men who killed white women were 30 times more likely to get the death penalty than black men who killed black men".     Why wouldn't that be the case?   Men killing women is a much worse scenario due to physical disparities.   

"a study published in June reviewed every reported homicide between 1976 and 2009 and found that “homicides with white victims are significantly more likely to be ‘cleared’ by the arrest of a suspect than are homicides with minority victims.”     Have you heard of the "snitches get stitches" concept?    Inner city and AA community police have long decried the inability of local police and investigators to get any information and cooperation from the local population.     Absent information and cooperation, crimes don't get solved.   

There's more.   I am not saying that the reports and studies are wrong, they are probably correct.    Although when I see sources like "the Women Donors Network" and the ACLU, my BS detector does start pinging.

What I am saying is that this is the sleight of hand that many use to confuse two issues and improperly assign motive and cause thru that trick.    THE #1 issue is black crime rate.   It drives all of the stats that BM cites.    You've heard it before,  black males between the ages of 15 and 50 account for very small % (somewhere around 4-5%) of the US population but commit more than half of the violent crime.    That's it, that's the problem.   You can have a lot of debates over how that came to be, maybe that's where "racism" has a place in the debate.   But there are many others including the breakdown of black families, poor school systems, the lack of black leadership and role models who don't just say "blame whitey",   violence and crime culture, etc.    Those are the things that need to be addressed in order to reduce the statistics that BM cites.   

What's getting the police in trouble is the same thing that got the TSA in trouble.    The TSA at airports was focusing on middle eastern men, because that's who commits the highest % of airline based terror incidents.    But that's "targeting" and we can't do that.     So now we have me and my wife,  the old lady going to see her granddaughter, etc.  getting randomly checked because that's more "fair".    "Fair" = maybe, "effective" = probably not.    

The bank robber Willy Sutton was once asked;  "why do you rob banks".   His answer was; "because that's where the money is".     BM's statistics are accurate because police and law enforcement are working where the crime is.     Police are not doing it because they hate the black man and want to keep him down.     They are going to where most of the crime is.    Change that and I garauntee you will change BM's statistics. . . 

[12th Man 884]

8 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

Just keep kneeling and apologizing. Oh and don’t forget your mask. 

[12th Man 884]

 

 

[The Observer 641]

6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The cure for what ails the situation is to stop pulling over or arresting so many minorities.   Consider it done. There is going to be one side in all of this that is going to get their way. All those stops and  arrests you cited are going to take a dramatic downturn.  Not going to be an issue going forward. Congrats.  

instead of not pulling people over, how about not killing them because they're black?  Mmmkay?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,784]

5 minutes ago, The Observer said:

instead of not pulling people over, how about not killing them because they're black?  Mmmkay?

Well Beir was showing stats about the disparity in minorities being stopped and arrested/ticketed  more than whites. The best way to make it fair is to reduce the amount of stops on them, or we can increase the amount of stops of whites?. I’d say laying off the minorities is a better idea. 

[Baker Boy 1,708]

8 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

When I take a long vacation, It will not be there.  I have worked in Oakland and Hayward with inner city disturbed youth.  I'm good.

But keep on keeping on with your Aryan Nation handbook and dismiss the myth.

Systemic racism’ is a systemic forgetting of 55 years of urban policy failure.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-new-nihilism-11591225713
 

[Baker Boy 1,708]

8 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Dude, you should really take a long vacation and hang out in certain parts of Baltimore, or the south and west sides of Chicago, or Trenton New Jersey, or certain black areas of Washington DC, or Hartford, CT or etc...

52% of violent crimes in this country are committed by blacks even though they are only 13% of the population. All you got are a bunch of liberal funded narratives. 

When more cops are getting killed by blacks at a rate of 18x more than the cops are killing blacks, then systemic racism is really on the other side of whatever points you are trying to make.

 

 

In reality, young black males (age 13-40) make up about 3% of the population and are responsible for about 57% of all violent crime.

[fandandy 3,313]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Systemic racism’ is a systemic forgetting of 55 years of urban policy failure.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-new-nihilism-11591225713
 

Here's an archived link so others can read it.  http://archive.vn/SJpU3

[12th Man 884]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

instead of not pulling people over, how about not killing them because they're black?  Mmmkay?

9 unarmed black men killed last year. 19 unarmed white men. Your narrative stinks.  Pick a new crisis.  

[Fireballer 2,666]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

how about not killing them because they're black?  Mmmkay?

Link?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,784]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

instead of not pulling people over, how about not killing them because they're black?  Mmmkay?

So don’t go back to the Obama years? Ok. Shouldn’t take much to stop the minuscule ones that happen now. They were cut dramatically since Obama’s time in office. 
38-10. 

[Baker Boy 1,708]

12 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

A few examples:

• In their book “Suspect Citizens,” Frank R. Baumgartner, Derek A. Epp and Kelsey Shoub reviewed 20 million traffic stops. In an interview with The Post, they shared what they found: “Blacks are almost twice as likely to be pulled over as whites — even though whites drive more on average,” “blacks are more likely to be searched following a stop,” and “just by getting in a car, a black driver has about twice the odds of being pulled over, and about four times the odds of being searched.” They found that blacks were more likely to be searched despite the fact they’re less likely to be found with contraband as a result of those searches.
• A 2013 Justice Department study found that black and Latino drivers are more likely to be searched once they have been pulled over. About 2 percent of white motorists were searched, vs. 6 percent of black drivers and 7 percent of Latinos.
• In 2015, the Charleston Post and Courier looked at incidents in which police stopped motorists but didn’t issue a citation. These are sometimes called “pretext stops,” because they suggest that the officer was profiling the motorist as a possible drug courier or suspected the motorist of other crimes. The paper found that after adjusting for population, blacks in nearly every part of the state were significantly more likely to be the subject of such stops.
• A 2017 study of 4.5 million traffic stops by the 100 largest police departments in North Carolina found that blacks and Latinos were more likely to be searched than whites (5.4 percent, 4.1 percent and 3.1 percent, respectively), even though searches of white motorists were more likely than the others to turn up contraband (whites: 32 percent, blacks: 29 percent, Latinos: 19 percent).
• According to the Justice Department, between 2012 and 2014, black people in Ferguson, Mo., accounted for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations and 93 percent of arrests, despite comprising 67 percent of the population. Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be searched after traffic stops, even though they proved to be 26 percent less likely to be in possession of illegal drugs or weapons.  Between 2011 and 2013, blacks also received 95 percent of jaywalking tickets and 94 percent of tickets for “failure to comply.” The Justice Department also found that the racial discrepancy for speeding tickets increased dramatically when researchers looked at tickets based on only an officer’s word vs. tickets based on objective evidence, such as vs. radar. Black people facing similar low-level charges as white people were 68 percent less likely to see those charges dismissed in court. More than 90 percent of the arrest warrants stemming from failure to pay/failure to appear were issued for black people.
• These figures are similar to others throughout St. Louis County. For example, in the town of Florissant, 71 percent of the motorists pulled over by police in 2013 were black. Blacks make up 27 percent of the town at the time (they now make up 33 percent). Blacks were also twice as likely to be searched after a stop, even though white motorists were more likely to be found with contraband.
• A study of “investigatory” traffic stops — that is, stops that did not result in a citation — by police in Kansas City found that blacks were 2.7 times more likely to be pulled over in an investigatory stop, and five times more likely to be searched.
• A study of stop and frisk incidents in Boston between 2007 and 2010 that did not result in a citation or arrest found that 63 percent of such stops were of black people. Blacks made up 24 percent of the city’s population. Incredibly, 97.5 percent of these encounters resulted in no arrest or seizure of contraband.
• A 2015 statistical analysis of police shootings from 2011 to 2014 found that the racial disparity in police shootings of black people could not be explained by higher crime rates in majority-black communities.
• A 2018 Post investigation found that murders of white people are more likely to be solved than murders of black people. There’s also a strong correlation between areas that are black-majority and low-income and the areas with the lowest clearance rate for homicides.
• Similarly, a study published in June reviewed every reported homicide between 1976 and 2009 and found that “homicides with white victims are significantly more likely to be ‘cleared’ by the arrest of a suspect than are homicides with minority victims.”
• Another ACLU study, this time on the use of stop-and-frisk in Milwaukee between 2010 and 2017, found that in nearly half of the more than 700,000 such stops, the police failed to demonstrate reasonable suspicion as required by the Constitution. The study found that between pedestrian stops and traffic stops, black people were six times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, and that less than 1 percent of those searches turned up any contraband. Here again, while black and Latino drivers were more likely to be searched, they were 20 percent less likely to be in possession of any contraband.
• Going back to 2002, data show that when New York City was implementing its stop-and-frisk policy, white people generally made up only about 10 percent of such stops, despite making up about 45 percent of the city. Black and Latino people made up more than 80 percent of the stops, despite making up just over half the city population. Consistently, between 85 and 90 percent of such stops produced no arrest, citation or evidence of criminal activity. Fewer than 1 percent of stops produced a gun, the alleged reason for the policy.
• Between 2012 and 2014, the Los Angeles Police Department received more than 1,350 citizen complaints of racial profiling. The department didn’t uphold a single complaint.
• A 2016 report found that between 2011 and 2015, black drivers in Nashville’s Davidson County were pulled over at a rate of 1,122 stops per 1,000 drivers — so on average, more than once per black driver. Black drivers were also searched at twice the rate of white drivers, though — as in other jurisdictions — searches of white drivers were more likely to turn up contraband.
• A 2017 study of interactions between officers and citizens taken from footage captured by police officer body cameras found that “officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop.”
• An NAACP survey of citizen complaints against police officers in North Charleston, S.C., between 2006 and 2016 found that complaints by white citizens were about two-thirds more likely to be sustained than complaints filed by black citizens. When the complainant alleged excessive force, white complaints were sustained seven times more often than black complaints.
• A 2015 study found that though black women are just 6 percent of the female population of San Francisco, they account for 45.5 percent of female arrests.

If you took these same categories and compared Male to Female the % would more out Line. There is a reason for that and it is the same reason for your study.

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On 6/6/2020 at 2:58 PM, drobeski said:

For almost 4 years... they'll continue to fail 

I like this post...cause it'd be funny if drobe won the day a year or so after he got the ban hammer

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Black people live in high crime areas. High crime areas have more cops, at the request of the community, no matter what the squad says. Hence, black people get pulled over at a higher rate. More cops= more stops. Pretty Fockin simple you ask me, but I didn’t go to Harvard.  There’s a police pct every 10 ft in NYC.