Student activists seek to remove Lincoln statue at UW-Madison...

[posty 2,849]

https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-activists-seek-to-remove-lincoln-statue-at-uw-madison/

Monument has long been a point of contention at the school

A petition launched by a University of Wisconsin Madison student calls for officials to remove and replace a statue of President Abraham Lincoln from Bascom Hill, a heavily traversed area on campus.

The petition, which began circulating about three weeks ago, does not mention that Lincoln did more for African Americans than perhaps any other president in the nation’s history and instead states his “history with race relations is questionable.”

“[T]his statue has nothing to do with the creation and continuation of education on UW-Madison’s campus and was merely a gift of political capital,” the petition states.

The petition points out that the statue was donated by Richard Lloyd Jones, an “ultra-racist” and instigator of the 1921 Tulsa Massacre, which killed 12 people and injured 800. Jones was aided in funding the statue by Thomas Brittingham Jr., a known member of the KKK.

“We ask that the university consider removing the statue from Bascom and direct funding towards a new installation acknowledging the past, present and future of UW-Madison,” it states. “This statue stands on sacred and stolen Ho Chunk land, and whatever stands there should not stand as a reminder of racist legacies that contributed to this campus.”

As of Wednesday more than 300 had signed the petition. Its author, UW student Angela Peterson, did not respond to requests from The College Fix seeking comment.

The petition comes as demonstrators around the nation, as well as in the state of Wisconsin, topple statues of historical figures. The latest Lincoln statue debate has also been fueled by rising racial tensions on campus following eight nights of Black Lives Matter protests near Wisconsin’s state capitol building.

In Madison on Tuesday night, “protesters tore down two statues that have stood in front of the statehouse for decades — including one memorializing a Wisconsin abolitionist who died trying to end slavery during the Civil War,” the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

The statue was of famed abolitionist Col. Hans Christian Heg, who died fighting against the Confederate Army.

Meanwhile, activists are calling for a statue of Abraham Lincoln in Washington D.C. to be torn down, calling it “problematic” because the statue depicts Lincoln standing over a slave holding the Emancipation Proclamation, Fox News reports.

This is not the only time in the history of the University of Wisconsin that the Lincoln statue has been caught in the crosshairs of protest.

In 2015, as Black Lives Matter protests engulfed the campus, members of a then-new campus group called “About Race UW” proposed the removal of the statue.

In 2016, the statue was draped in a black tarp during a racial protest by students.

In 2017, the student government approved a resolution to educate the campus community about Lincoln’s “oppression.”

In the past, campus leaders have rebuffed such demands. In a statement provided to The College Fix on Thursday, Chancellor Rebecca Blank said the “university continues to support the Abraham Lincoln statue on our campus.” (See entire statement below).

The Abraham Lincoln statue has been a part of UW tradition since it was placed on Bascom Hill in 1919. Campus legend states that if graduating students climb into Lincoln’s lap and whisper their plans for life after graduation, they will come true. Students who are not graduating, but dare to sit in Lincoln’s lap, will supposedly cause him to rise from his chair and kick them off the pedestal to the bottom of the hill.

Comments on the anti-Lincoln petition highlighted racism at UW and seek change.

“I’m signing because this school has normalized a culture of racism. It is difficult to be a person of colour [sic] on this campus,” one commenter wrote.

“I don’t want a racist’s gift as the centerpiece of my campus,” commented another petition signer. “I don’t care for tradition when it’s founded on oppression.”

While Peterson’s petition is gaining traction, not all UW students are in favor of bidding Abe farewell.

Another petition created by UW student Jacob Laufgraben defends the statue’s position in campus history.

“The two main donors of the statue were virulent racists… We do not seek to deny this fact,” Laufgraben’s petition reads. “However, we do seek to assert that in the century since the monument was erected, it has become a symbol of honor and unity for our university. A symbol that for decades, graduating badgers of all walks of life have gathered to celebrate their graduation from our institution. This is Abe’s enduring legacy.”

In addition, Laufgraben’s petition offers a form of compromise with those who seek to topple the historical monument.

“We are more than open to compromises regarding the future of the statue. It would be entirely appropriate to put a plaque on the base of the statue acknowledging the statue’s sordid origins, as well as President Lincoln’s legacy. If what it takes to preserve this piece of the university and American history is to put an asterisk next to it, then that is fine with us.”

Laufbraben’s petition has garnered about 500 signatures since its publishing.

“No one [who] looks at the statue sees the donors or anyone racist,” one commenter said. “They see Lincoln, the president who facilitated the Emancipation Proclamation and a symbol of our campus community.”

Laufgraben did not respond to requests from The College Fix seeking comment.

Meanwhile, President Donald Trump has warned protesters across the nation that under the Veterans’ Memorial Preservation Act, those found guilty of defacing a monument can receive fines and 10 years in jail.

Editor’s note: After publication, the following statement was provided to The College Fix by the campus media affairs division. The statement is from Chancellor Rebecca Blank:

As an educational institution whose mission is to serve and strengthen Wisconsin, our country and the world, our mission is to educate and to advance the boundaries of knowledge and understanding of the human condition. In pursuing our mission, we believe deeply in justice and equity for all people. UW–Madison continues to work on creating a diverse and inclusive campus that supports Black and BIPOC students, faculty and staff and the fight against racism.

We’re in conversations with a variety of campus stakeholders and partners about how to do more and do better. Current efforts include both a public history project and a land acknowledgement in recognition that the university sits upon Ho-Chunk land. Everyone agrees that there is much more to do.

The university continues to support the Abraham Lincoln statue on our campus. Like those of all presidents, Lincoln’s legacy is complex and contains actions which, 150 years later, appear flawed. However, when the totality of his tenure is considered, Lincoln is widely acknowledged as one of our greatest presidents, having issued the Emancipation Proclamation, persuaded Congress to adopt the 13th Amendment ending slavery and preserved the Union during the Civil War.

As the leader of UW–Madison, I believe that Abraham Lincoln’s legacy should not be erased but examined, that it should be both celebrated and critiqued. To give just one example – without Lincoln, public land-grant universities like ours might not exist. These universities have been engines of social mobility and economic growth for citizens who would never otherwise have had access to higher education. Yet we recognize that the very act that created these universities relied on money from land expropriated from Native Americans.

We have a lot of work to do here at the university to address system racism and oppression and there is a role for every member of our community. In addition to the resources and initiatives already under way, I will be sharing some new actions and commitments soon . I invite you to join us in these efforts to build a better, more inclusive campus.

[DonS 3,330]

Yeah, that Lincoln dude never did sh1t for black people.  Tear it down!

What statues do they have at HBCUs?  Any of Malcolm X that can be torn down?  What about MLK?  He wanted people to be judged based on character and not color.  That's racist!!! 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

Yeah, that Lincoln dude never did sh1t for black people.  Tear it down!

What statues do they have at HBCUs?  Any of Malcolm X that can be torn down?  What about MLK?  He wanted people to be judged based on character and not color.  That's racist!!! 

 

Yep, because his message applied to all races not just blacks. Tear those statues down. That evil MLK fvck.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

Madison is a cesspool of liberal hate and intolerance.  Always has been.  They deserve everything they get.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

Go ahead. The black folk are laughing at you idiots. Tell your kids how you took down a statue because it hurt your feelings. 

[DonS 3,330]

Easiest way to scuttle this plan is have some campus Republicans support this idea.  Boom.  Problem solved. 

[NorthernVike 2,100]

Time to start tearing down statues of blacks.  They offend me.

 

Start with the fist in Detroit. 

[posty 2,849]

4 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Time to start tearing down statues of blacks.  They offend me.

I know you kid, but seriously, what if white people went around and tore down statues of MLK and such?  If what is happening now okay, then the reverse must be okay as well...

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

37 minutes ago, DonS said:

Easiest way to scuttle this plan is have some campus Republicans support this idea.  Boom.  Problem solved. 

And the KKK. I don’t think  they like Lincoln all that much. He freed the slaves and he’s a Republican. 

[Drizzay 758]

Better dead than red.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

2 hours ago, DonS said:

Easiest way to scuttle this plan is have some campus Republicans support this idea.  Boom.  Problem solved. 

Start enforcing laws. Boom. Problem solved 

[DonS 3,330]

3 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Start enforcing laws. Boom. Problem solved 

Enforcing laws is so racist. 

[shorepatrol 1,871]

2 minutes ago, DonS said:

Enforcing laws is so racist. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Madison is a cesspool of liberal hate and intolerance.  Always has been.  They deserve everything they get.

Well if you read the article, it says the petition to get rid of the status has 300 signatures. Out of 43,000 students.

The one to keep it has 500.

That leaves 42,800 votes for ass of rat. 

The fact that this is even a story is absurd. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Well if you read the article, it says the petition to get rid of the status has 300 signatures. Out of 43,000 students.

The one to keep it has 500.

That leaves 42,800 votes for ass of rat. 

The fact that this is even a story is absurd. 

Why would they ask students to vote on it? 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

43 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Well if you read the article, it says the petition to get rid of the status has 300 signatures. Out of 43,000 students.

The one to keep it has 500.

That leaves 42,800 votes for ass of rat. 

The fact that this is even a story is absurd. 

They also tore down an abolitionist statue.

[Bill E. 703]

5 hours ago, posty said:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-activists-seek-to-remove-lincoln-statue-at-uw-madison/

“This statue stands on sacred and stolen Ho Chunk land, and whatever stands there should not stand as a reminder of racist legacies that contributed to this campus.”

I do not see the libs clamoring to give their campus back to the Ho Chunks.  i wonder why that is?

[GobbleDog 1,018]

Guess who else owned slaves..... injuns.  When Lincoln freed the slaves it didn't apply to Indian territories. It wasn't until a decade or so later they agreed through treaties to free their slaves.

Ya think having a white master on a big plantation was rough?  Welcome to injun nation. 

[DonS 3,330]

5 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Guess who else owned slaves..... injuns.  When Lincoln freed the slaves it didn't apply to Indian territories. It wasn't until a decade or so later they agreed through treaties to free their slaves.

Ya think having a white master on a big plantation was rough?  Welcome to injun nation. 

Chief Seattle says "hold my firewater" 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Why would they ask students to vote on it? 

They didn't. Some idiot d!ck head started a petition to remove is, someone else started a counter petition. The vast majority didn't weigh in at all. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The fatal flaw for the global leftist elites is the illusion of control.  They think they are so smart that they can control the angry mob.  So they encourage it to try to achieve whatever goals they want.  Eventually the angry mob gets the upper hand though.

[jonnyutah 560]

My first day living in madison I remember a free mumia march of about 15 of the hippiest dippiest white people I have ever seen. I had to look up who that was and thought wtf did I get myself into.  

[Mike Honcho 5,546]

8 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Well if you read the article, it says the petition to get rid of the status has 300 signatures. Out of 43,000 students.

The one to keep it has 500.

That leaves 42,800 votes for ass of rat. 

The fact that this is even a story is absurd. 

You lost most people there. 

On Wisconsin!  

[BiffTannen 1,263]

I agree with this one. 2nd worst president ever. 

[Voltaire 5,528]

2 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

My first day living in madison I remember a free mumia march of about 15 of the hippiest dippiest white people I have ever seen. I had to look up who that was and thought wtf did I get myself into.  

We had "Free Mumia' bumper stickers and booths at Wayne State every now and again. I never followed too closely who the guy was or if he should be freed. I think the jist of it is that he was a black guy that was convicted of killing a cop. I don't know enough to say that he was wrongly convicted or not. I didn't hand around with those people, I'd as soon hang out with tuberculosis patients, and I never focking cared enough to investigate.

[Mike Honcho 5,546]

2 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

My first day living in madison I remember a free mumia march of about 15 of the hippiest dippiest white people I have ever seen. I had to look up who that was and thought wtf did I get myself into.  

my first day living in Madison, I got drunk, come to think of it I did on my last day...and whole bunch of the days in-between too.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

my first day living in Madison, I got drunk, come to think of it I did on my last day...and whole bunch of the days in-between too.  

Your ass must be killing you. 

[RLLD 4,282]

I guess what makes me frustrated and sad is how badly we have failed our children over the last two decades.   I think perhaps peoples heart was in the right place, but they have setup these kids to attempt a repeat of history.....

They seem to have no idea as to the dangerous ground they are looking to trod.  We have seen this kind of thing before, and millions had to die to halt it.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I guess what makes me frustrated and sad is how badly we have failed our children over the last two decades.   I think perhaps peoples heart was in the right place, but they have setup these kids to attempt a repeat of history.....

They seem to have no idea as to the dangerous ground they are looking to trod.  We have seen this kind of thing before, and millions had to die to halt it.

We funded our own destruction. Many parents are afraid to speak up because they feel it will come back on their kids. And it probably will. And parents of college kids just care about their kid getting into a name brand school and don’t bother with what they are being taught. And they’re being taught to hate their parents. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I guess what makes me frustrated and sad is how badly we have failed our children over the last two decades.   I think perhaps peoples heart was in the right place, but they have setup these kids to attempt a repeat of history.....

They seem to have no idea as to the dangerous ground they are looking to trod.  We have seen this kind of thing before, and millions had to die to halt it.

Yep.  When you actually have people - in this day and age - espousing the glories of Socialism, Communism and Islam then it is clear they have forgotten history and we are all doomed to repeat it.  All of these minority movements are simply a disguise for the real goal - money, power and total Communistic control.

There will be another civil war coming, I think, to stop the Bolsheviks from taking over. 

[Mike Honcho 5,546]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I guess what makes me frustrated and sad is how badly we have failed our children over the last two decades.   I think perhaps peoples heart was in the right place, but they have setup these kids to attempt a repeat of history.....

They seem to have no idea as to the dangerous ground they are looking to trod.  We have seen this kind of thing before, and millions had to die to halt it.

From 300 students signing a petition to WWIII.  I've been to water parks with less slippery slopes. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

From 300 students signing a petition to WWIII.  I've been to water parks with less slippery slopes. 

Schools out. The outcome would be different if school were in session. 300 students could easily take down a statue. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

21 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

From 300 students signing a petition to WWIII.  I've been to water parks with less slippery slopes. 

A slippery slope is not a fallacy.  That's a common newbie mistake in rhetoric that identifies poor debaters like yourself.  Apparently you need an education on this topic so let's review the slippery slope scenario and when it is a fallacy and when it is not. Slippery slope scenarios happen a lot.  If I GUARANTEE a slippery slope will occur, then THAT is a logical fallacy.

example:  The things going on surrounding BLM, rioting, and pulling down statues is dangerous ground because we have seen this type of thing before and millions had to die to halt it.

This is NOT a logical fallacy.  RLLD is saying the path we are on is too dangerous and could lead to a mass murder of millions.  The THREAT of a slippery slope is too great to risk it.

example:  I guarantee the BLM, rioting and pulling down of statues will 100% lead to a genocide of millions.

This IS a logical fallacy. This is the slippery slope fallacy.

To argue that the RISK of a slippery slope is too large to continue doing the things we are doing is perfectly sound logic and not to be confused with a fallacy.  Because slippery slopes DO actually happen.   Hitler keeps training soldiers in Germany and rotating them out and bringing in fresh recruits to train more to get around sanctions.  No-one is stopping him or doing anything about it.  If we keep allowing this, the risk is he could send a huge fooking army across Europe and conquer it all in days.  To that, someone like Honcho would scream "Slippery Slope!" and wind up defending Hitler's actions.  If I say that China and Russia are quite CLEARLY building a MASSIVE army in the arctic and, like Hitler, they could wait for the US to shatter into civil war and then run a massive blitz to conquer the US very quickly, Honcho would say "slippery slope!" and get that accusation wrong also.  I'm not guaranteeing it will occur.  But I think the risk is too great.  There's plenty of military experts that are sounding clarion calls that the risk is there and no one does anything.

I think we are at high risk of collapsing into civil war and then China / Russia just blitzing the US.  Then they take control and just slaughter all the blacks in the US in a giant genocide to resolve the BLM issue.  Its a slippery slope of national unity falling apart and an opportunistic rival stepping in.

[Mike Honcho 5,546]

6 hours ago, riversco said:

A slippery slope is not a fallacy.  That's a common newbie mistake in rhetoric that identifies poor debaters like yourself.  Apparently you need an education on this topic so let's review the slippery slope scenario and when it is a fallacy and when it is not. Slippery slope scenarios happen a lot.  If I GUARANTEE a slippery slope will occur, then THAT is a logical fallacy.

example:  The things going on surrounding BLM, rioting, and pulling down statues is dangerous ground because we have seen this type of thing before and millions had to die to halt it.

This is NOT a logical fallacy.  RLLD is saying the path we are on is too dangerous and could lead to a mass murder of millions.  The THREAT of a slippery slope is too great to risk it.

example:  I guarantee the BLM, rioting and pulling down of statues will 100% lead to a genocide of millions.

This IS a logical fallacy. This is the slippery slope fallacy.

To argue that the RISK of a slippery slope is too large to continue doing the things we are doing is perfectly sound logic and not to be confused with a fallacy.  Because slippery slopes DO actually happen.   Hitler keeps training soldiers in Germany and rotating them out and bringing in fresh recruits to train more to get around sanctions.  No-one is stopping him or doing anything about it.  If we keep allowing this, the risk is he could send a huge fooking army across Europe and conquer it all in days.  To that, someone like Honcho would scream "Slippery Slope!" and wind up defending Hitler's actions.  If I say that China and Russia are quite CLEARLY building a MASSIVE army in the arctic and, like Hitler, they could wait for the US to shatter into civil war and then run a massive blitz to conquer the US very quickly, Honcho would say "slippery slope!" and get that accusation wrong also.  I'm not guaranteeing it will occur.  But I think the risk is too great.  There's plenty of military experts that are sounding clarion calls that the risk is there and no one does anything.

I think we are at high risk of collapsing into civil war and then China / Russia just blitzing the US.  Then they take control and just slaughter all the blacks in the US in a giant genocide to resolve the BLM issue.  Its a slippery slope of national unity falling apart and an opportunistic rival stepping in.

"If I GUARANTEE a slippery slope will occur, then THAT is a logical fallacy".---This is not what makes a slippery slope a fallacy, your premise is wrong.