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29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But you believe “wallethub” and their manually produced statistics?

A lot more than that one. It’s an obvious propaganda site. Try again. Why can’t you just use the fbi stats? Oh wait …I bet you don’t know what’s going on with them. And you’re so tuned in on the issue. 

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15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A lot more than that one. It’s an obvious propaganda site. Try again. Why can’t you just use the fbi stats? Oh wait …I bet you don’t know what’s going on with them. And you’re so tuned in on the issue. 

How’s this:

https://www.ahdatalytics.com/dashboards/ytd-murder-comparison/
 

-5% YTD, with specific dates and sources for each city

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Biden didn’t mention children in the clip posted. Neither did the questioner. All the pedos with their minds in the gutter went there on their own. The tweeter Chris Rufo is one of the biggest defender of pedophile priests, so you know where he stands.

He is?

I just know him as the guy who brought attention to the widespread promotion of CRT in schools.

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9 hours ago, Voltaire said:

He is?

I just know him as the guy who brought attention to the widespread promotion of CRT in schools.

He’s branched out. CRT is yesterday’s bogeyman; people have moved on. So when people brought up the problem of pedophile priests, he defended them by claiming public schools are more dangerous. He gets published on lots of Catholic websites now.

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38 minutes ago, dogcows said:

He’s branched out. CRT is yesterday’s bogeyman; people have moved on. So when people brought up the problem of pedophile priests, he defended them by claiming public schools are more dangerous. He gets published on lots of Catholic websites now.

Public schools are more dangerous. Are you serious? 

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On 10/25/2022 at 4:22 PM, craftsman said:

Congress passed it What a focking idiot.

Or when he signed the EO his handlers told him that it was a bill that passed by one vote.

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We now live in a time, where liberals send a letter to the president urging him to seek a peaceful resolution to the war we are funding in Ukraine, where nuclear weapons are actually being brought into the debate, and they have to retract it after so much blowback, not from the right, but the left. If far left liberals aren’t going to be anti-war, then they have lost the one thing that makes them useful. What a mess that party is now. Big tech, corporations, Wall Street , banks, and now the military industrial complex. All defended by the left.  

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4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

This lying pile of sh1t is the worst thing to ever happen to the USA.

 

Un Fockin real. What a bunch of soft twats that voted for this mess because of their feelings. Mooney, Gutterpedo, MDC and the rest.  Hawkeye. 

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https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=w

 

Weekly U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

 
 2021-Jan 01/04  2.336    01/11  2.403    01/18  2.464    01/25  2.478         
  2021-Feb 02/01  2.495    02/08  2.548    02/15  2.588    02/22  2.717         
  2021-Mar 03/01  2.796    03/08  2.857    03/15  2.940    03/22  2.954    03/29  2.941   
  2021-Apr 04/05  2.945    04/12  2.939    04/19  2.945    04/26  2.962         
  2021-May 05/03  2.981    05/10  3.051    05/17  3.118    05/24  3.112    05/31  3.119   
  2021-Jun 06/07  3.128    06/14  3.161    06/21  3.153    06/28  3.185         
  2021-Jul 07/05  3.216    07/12  3.227    07/19  3.247    07/26  3.232         
  2021-Aug 08/02  3.256    08/09  3.269    08/16  3.272    08/23  3.243    08/30  3.237   
  2021-Sep 09/06  3.273    09/13  3.262    09/20  3.280    09/27  3.271         
  2021-Oct 10/04  3.285    10/11  3.360    10/18  3.416    10/25  3.476         
  2021-Nov 11/01  3.484    11/08  3.505    11/15  3.495    11/22  3.493    11/29  3.478   
  2021-Dec 12/06  3.440    12/13  3.414    12/20  3.395    12/27  3.375         
 
  2022-Jan 01/03  3.381    01/10  3.394    01/17  3.404    01/24  3.421    01/31  3.464   
  2022-Feb 02/07  3.538    02/14  3.581    02/21  3.624    02/28  3.701         
  2022-Mar 03/07  4.196    03/14  4.414    03/21  4.343    03/28  4.334         
  2022-Apr 04/04  4.274    04/11  4.196    04/18  4.170    04/25  4.211         
  2022-May 05/02  4.285    05/09  4.428    05/16  4.591    05/23  4.694    05/30  4.727   
  2022-Jun 06/06  4.977    06/13  5.107    06/20  5.066    06/27  4.979         
  2022-Jul 07/04  4.879    07/11  4.754    07/18  4.599    07/25  4.440         
  2022-Aug 08/01  4.304    08/08  4.151    08/15  4.051    08/22  3.993    08/29  3.938   
  2022-Sep 09/05  3.859    09/12  3.805    09/19  3.771    09/26  3.832         
  2022-Oct 10/03  3.909    10/10  4.034    10/17  3.990    10/24  3.887         

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21 hours ago, dogcows said:

Biden didn’t mention children in the clip posted. Neither did the questioner. All the pedos with their minds in the gutter went there on their own. The tweeter Chris Rufo is one of the biggest defender of pedophile priests, so you know where he stands.

The question didn't specify adults-only, so it was on him to differentiate it, or else there is a tacit inclusion of them.

In fact, I think he missed an opportunity to do just that.  If he had even stopped short of saying we shouldn't do gender affirming medical treatments to children, he could have said something like "I think we need to be extremely careful with children, but for adults..." he would have resonated with most of the country.

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19 hours ago, TimHauck said:

But you believe “wallethub” and their manually produced statistics?

Take a timeout shoterd. 

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3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The question didn't specify adults-only, so it was on him to differentiate it, or else there is a tacit inclusion of them.

In fact, I think he missed an opportunity to do just that.  If he had even stopped short of saying we shouldn't do gender affirming medical treatments to children, he could have said something like "I think we need to be extremely careful with children, but for adults..." he would have resonated with most of the country.

So… every question automatically should be assumed to include children?

Assume a conservative is asked about the death penalty, and says they support it. So, they support the death penalty for kids?

Support 2nd amendment rights? I guess that means they support kindergarteners carrying AK-47s to school.

The current right-wing narrative is all about “grooming” and “mutilating kids,” but not all people view it through that same lens. Expecting them to is just not a realistic expectation.

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14 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So… every question automatically should be assumed to include children?

Assume a conservative is asked about the death penalty, and says they support it. So, they support the death penalty for kids?

Support 2nd amendment rights? I guess that means they support kindergarteners carrying AK-47s to school.

The current right-wing narrative is all about “grooming” and “mutilating kids,” but not all people view it through that same lens. Expecting them to is just not a realistic expectation.

Yeah. It’s all about grooming.  Not the border, inflation, crime, garbage in the schools, a corrupt old fool with dementia in the WH. No one is concerned with those things. Also, trivializing the mutilation of kids. Real nice. 

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23 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So… every question automatically should be assumed to include children?

Assume a conservative is asked about the death penalty, and says they support it. So, they support the death penalty for kids?

Support 2nd amendment rights? I guess that means they support kindergarteners carrying AK-47s to school.

The current right-wing narrative is all about “grooming” and “mutilating kids,” but not all people view it through that same lens. Expecting them to is just not a realistic expectation.

This set of strawmen is embarrassing for you, you are better than this.  Are you asserting that we currently put kids on death row, or sell AK-47s to kindergarteners, and that those are topics of fierce debate at the moment?  :lol: 

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

So… every question automatically should be assumed to include children?

Assume a conservative is asked about the death penalty, and says they support it. So, they support the death penalty for kids?

Support 2nd amendment rights? I guess that means they support kindergarteners carrying AK-47s to school.

The current right-wing narrative is all about “grooming” and “mutilating kids,” but not all people view it through that same lens. Expecting them to is just not a realistic expectation.

OK Fair enough. Politicians aside. Let's join hand and do this together.

I reject the death penalty for those under age. If any teenager deserves the death penalty, I think that all of us  -left, right, and center-  can agree that that the worst offender in the USA is Ethan Crumbley. If any teenager deserves the death penalty, Ethan Crumbley should be the Exhibit A poster child for any "Execute Degenerate Sh*tbags Under Eighteen" movement. But I will agree with you that on account of his age, even Ethan does not deserve the death penalty. Further, I will also agree that kindergarteners should not be allowed to bring AK-47s to school. Assault rifles are unacceptable in the hands of young children, even as a show-and-tell prop.

Now your turn.

Mabe you can help by clarifying your position on sex organ multilation "gender affirming care" resulting in hormone "therapy" and surgical rearrangement for those under eighteen. Would you agree that such treatments should be illegal? It seems obvious to all of us that Joe Biden's* position is, but even if we disagree on what he says/claims his position is, this isn't about him. I'm asking you.

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11 hours ago, jerryskids said:

This set of strawmen is embarrassing for you, you are better than this.  Are you asserting that we currently put kids on death row, or sell AK-47s to kindergarteners, and that those are topics of fierce debate at the moment?  :lol: 

Those are topics of fierce debate only on the right, which is absolutely my point. Same thing with CRT - nobody on the left was talking about it. In fact, most people never heard of it until it was a nightly topic on Fox.

Why should everybody have to be drawn into the latest “fierce debate” happening on Fox and right-wing social media? It’s a nonstop chase of bogeymen, and new ones can be added at any time.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Those are topics of fierce debate only on the right, which is absolutely my point. Same thing with CRT - nobody on the left was talking about it. In fact, most people never heard of it until it was a nightly topic on Fox.

Why should everybody have to be drawn into the latest “fierce debate” happening on Fox and right-wing social media?

The left is going to have to figure out how to handle the CRT stuff because it's why you guys lost the Virginia governors race and I hope to God lose the Michigan governor's race among others. Half of you say it's a great thing to teach kids that America sucks, it's on stolen land, it's terminally racist to it's core, it's founders were scum, and a person's skin color defines them as people, while  the other half claims it doesn't exist and has no idea why George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson statues are being torn down and their fellow Democrats want schools renamed.

A lot of school boards and governor races are hanging on the issue. If we clean this crap up, and keep it clean, maybe it'll be safe to vote for Democrats in ten/fifteen years once they learn their lesson.

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9 hours ago, Voltaire said:

OK Fair enough. Politicians aside. Let's join hand and do this together.

I reject the death penalty for those under age. If any teenager deserves the death penalty, I think that all of us  -left, right, and center-  can agree that that the worst offender in the USA is Ethan Crumbley. If any teenager deserves the death penalty, Ethan Crumbley should be the Exhibit A poster child for any "Execute Degenerate Sh*tbags Under Eighteen" movement. But I will agree with you that on account of his age, even Ethan does not deserve the death penalty. Further, I will also agree that kindergarteners should not be allowed to bring AK-47s to school. Assault rifles are unacceptable in the hands of young children, even as a show-and-tell prop.

Now your turn.

Mabe you can help by clarifying your position on sex organ multilation "gender affirming care" resulting in hormone "therapy" and surgical rearrangement for those under eighteen. Would you agree that such treatments should be illegal? It seems obvious to all of us that Joe Biden's* position is, but even if we disagree on what he says/claims his position is, this isn't about him. I'm asking you.

We established that Biden didn’t say children should get sex change surgery. The examples I provided were not serious questions. They were just to show how silly it is to assume every question is automatically about children. Regardless of our views on the topic, it’s dishonest to put words into Biden’s mouth.

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if he wasn't destroying america ...i think i could start to like puerto rico joe. comedy gold!!!!:lol:

 

what in the actual fock?

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13 minutes ago, dogcows said:

We established that Biden didn’t say children should get sex change surgery. The examples I provided were not serious questions. They were just to show how silly it is to assume every question is automatically about children. Regardless of our views on the topic, it’s dishonest to put words into Biden’s mouth.


I was hoping you would shed light on your own opinion of sex change operations on minors.

It's all the same issues circling around regarding kids that you won't address. Be it CTR or this or the rest of the LGBTQ agenda in schools, you Democrats ignore it at your own peril. It's a winning issue for the GOP so I hope they keeps attacking this. Amoral sexually confused kids are the pet issue of rich white leftoids, the people I hate most in society.  This and CRT need to be hung around the Democrats neck and pointed at with vigor in every Latino, Black, Muslim, Asian community in the country.

You all can have Jennifer Rubin and Bill Kristol and other Bushtarded neocons; I piss on them on the way out the door. I want the GOP to bring onboard the ordinary, everyday people of every color who love the country and cares about its future.

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24 minutes ago, dogcows said:

We established that Biden didn’t say children should get sex change surgery. The examples I provided were not serious questions. They were just to show how silly it is to assume every question is automatically about children. Regardless of our views on the topic, it’s dishonest to put words into Biden’s mouth.

Yeah, you haven’t established that. He’s for gender affirming care for minors, that includes medical procedures. He signed an EO saying so, and that they should not be interfered with. Go read it then come back. 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Those are topics of fierce debate only on the right, which is absolutely my point. Same thing with CRT - nobody on the left was talking about it. In fact, most people never heard of it until it was a nightly topic on Fox.

Why should everybody have to be drawn into the latest “fierce debate” happening on Fox and right-wing social media? It’s a nonstop chase of bogeymen, and new ones can be added at any time.

See, it's a fierce debate because the Left thinks it's OK to do it to kids, and the right doesn't.  That's why it's a debate.  If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be a debate.  That's how disagreements come to be.

Weekend started early for you?  You seem a little off your game.  It's 5 o'clock somewhere I guess.  :cheers: 

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TRANSGENDER TEXANS

Biden signs order to protect transgender children as Texas continues efforts to restrict gender-affirming care

The executive order calls on the U.S. Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services to increase access to gender-affirming health care and develop ways to counter state efforts aimed at limiting such treatments for transgender minors.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/15/joe-biden-texas-transgender-care/

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29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

See, it's a fierce debate because the Left thinks it's OK to do it to kids, and the right doesn't.  That's why it's a debate.  If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be a debate.  That's how disagreements come to be.

Weekend started early for you?  You seem a little off your game.  It's 5 o'clock somewhere I guess.  :cheers: 

It’s manufactured outrage. You want to debate something that isn’t a real problem. There was recent right-wing outrage about Boston Children’s hospital supposedly doing sex change surgeries on little girls. It turned out to be BS. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/tweets/no-boston-childrens-hospital-doesnt-provide-hyster/

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To qualify for a gender-affirming hysterectomy at Boston Children's Hospital, patients must be 18 or older and must have a letter from a medical doctor stating they have "persistent, well-documented, gender dysphoria."

It’s not an honest debate; it’s ginned-up BS from the right.

I’m all for discussions on actual issues. I am NOT interested in arguments that are based on lies from the start.

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34 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This is a good thing. Note that gender affirming care for minors does not include genital surgery. This link was in the article posted above.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/04/gender-affirming-care-transgender-texas/

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Medical experts say transgender children rarely if ever have surgeries like orchiectomies, hysterectomies and mastectomies before they're adults. Still, Abbott cited such procedures in an Aug. 6, 2021, letter directing the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services’ top official to determine whether such gender confirmation surgeries are child abuse under existing state law. Paxton also listed those procedures in his legal opinion, which is nonbinding, issued in Febrary.

Experts took issue with Abbott’s language in the letter, which repeatedly referred to gender confirmation surgery as “genital mutilation.”

“It's literally the harshest language possible, because he wants a reaction from his side,” said Andrea Segovia, Transgender Education Network of Texas’ field/policy coordinator. “And they can gain supporters in that of like, ‘Oh, that sounds awful. Yeah, we shouldn't be doing that to our minors.’”

The inflammatory language and misrepresentation of what is or isn’t done by Abbott and Paxton is intentional. Sadly, many GOP followers buy the BS.

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9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

It’s manufactured outrage. You want to debate something that isn’t a real problem. There was recent right-wing outrage about Boston Children’s hospital supposedly doing sex change surgeries on little girls. It turned out to be BS. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/tweets/no-boston-childrens-hospital-doesnt-provide-hyster/

It’s not an honest debate; it’s ginned-up BS from the right.

I’m all for discussions on actual issues. I am NOT interested in arguments that are based on lies from the start.

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Vanderbilt hospital agrees to pause gender-affirming surgery on minors, officials say. NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WSMV) - Vanderbilt University Medical Center has agreed to pause gender-affirming surgery on transgender youth following backlash from conservative commentators and politicians, according to state leaders.Oct 7, 2022

https://www.wsmv.com/2022/10/07/vanderbilt-hospital-agrees-pause-gender-affirming-surgery-minors-officials-say/

So we're at stage 2:  It happens but it's not a big issue. :dunno: 

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4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

This is a good thing. Note that gender affirming care for minors does not include genital surgery. This link was in the article posted above.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/04/gender-affirming-care-transgender-texas/

The inflammatory language and misrepresentation of what is or isn’t done by Abbott and Paxton is intentional. Sadly, many GOP followers buy the BS.

Biden just said the other day that states banning gender affirming care is immoral. The part of gender affirming care they are looking to ban are the medical procedures. 

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Did you read the article?

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In a letter regarding their decision to pause the surgeries, VUMC said since 2018, an average of five minors per years have received gender-affirming surgical procedures, but none of them had “genital procedures.” All minors had parental consent and were at least 16 years old, VUMC said.

Kids having genital surgery is a huge problem we need to debate? Uh, nope. It’s just anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from the right, because they need a scapegoat as usual.

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5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

This is a good thing. Note that gender affirming care for minors does not include genital surgery. This link was in the article posted above.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/04/gender-affirming-care-transgender-texas/

The inflammatory language and misrepresentation of what is or isn’t done by Abbott and Paxton is intentional. Sadly, many GOP followers buy the BS.

Well, not never.  "Rarely if ever."  And that's surgeries; I don't see puberty blockers mentioned.

I love this argument from the Left.

Left:  Medical interventions for children is NOT a problem, it doesn't happen, and you're just chasing a boogeyman!

Right:  OK, then you won't mind if we make it illegal.  It won't affect anyone, right?

Left:  NNNNNOOOOOOOOO$#@!$@#$@!#@!

 

But hey, build a new set of goalposts with "inflammatory language."  The point of my link was to show that Biden supports it and that your "well he didn't SAY children so he didn't mean it, hey let's put infants on death row!" is absurd.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Well, not never.  "Rarely if ever."  And that's surgeries; I don't see puberty blockers mentioned.

I love this argument from the Left.

Left:  Medical interventions for children is NOT a problem, it doesn't happen, and you're just chasing a boogeyman!

Right:  OK, then you won't mind if we make it illegal.  It won't affect anyone, right?

Left:  NNNNNOOOOOOOOO$#@!$@#$@!#@!

 

But hey, build a new set of goalposts with "inflammatory language."  The point of my link was to show that Biden supports it and that your "well he didn't SAY children so he didn't mean it, hey let's put infants on death row!" is absurd.

It’s not absurd. YOU putting on him that he should have mentioned kids is absurd. It wasn’t mentioned in the question or the answer. It’s only because you cannot stop obsessing over kids’ genitals that your mind went there.

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The Florida medical board has bane ethe use of puberty blockers for teens under the age of 18  after hearing testimony from people that have gone through the process and, surprise, late regretted it. Joe Biden still supports the use of puberty blockers. So does Dog Cows and Gutterboy.  Sick. I think Mooney and Hack do too. 

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10 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Tardcore can't stop posting about kids genitals.  Dude is the real pedo here

I’m glad the  little nickname I hung on you gets to you.  Lol. Gutterpedo. And why does your original name have boy in it, Gutterboy? You wish you were one? Or do you want one? Lol 

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19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m glad the  little nickname I hung on you gets to you.  Lol. Gutterpedo. And why does your original name have boy in it, Gutterboy? You wish you were one? Or do you want one? Lol 

Looks like I touched a nerve.  The real.pedo has been exposed!

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23 hours ago, dogcows said:

It’s not absurd. YOU putting on him that he should have mentioned kids is absurd. It wasn’t mentioned in the question or the answer. It’s only because you cannot stop obsessing over kids’ genitals that your mind went there.

Good job avoiding the truth of my summary of the Left's argument about medical gender modifications for minors by accusing me of obsessing about kids genitals.  :thumbsup: 

Perhaps you can point me to the bills proposed which would prevent such procedures for adults.  Or proposed bills.  Or discussions of proposed bills.  Or discussions.  Since that's clearly what Biden was addressing, in your world.  :thumbsup: 

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Good job avoiding the truth of my summary of the Left's argument about medical gender modifications for minors by accusing me of obsessing about kids genitals.  :thumbsup: 

Perhaps you can point me to the bills proposed which would prevent such procedures for adults.  Or proposed bills.  Or discussions of proposed bills.  Or discussions.  Since that's clearly what Biden was addressing, in your world.  :thumbsup: 

I think you and the rest of the people on the right of this issue have an unhealthy obsession with the genitals of kids you don’t even know. Because you think you know better how to raise somebody else’s kids and handle their medical situations.

Again, right-wingers formed armed protests against mask orders, citing government interference in their lives. Same with vaccine mandates. But they have no problem telling women they can’t get abortions or parents that they can’t treat their child’s medical conditions. Quit trying to force your own shite “morals” on others. 

You don’t even have anywhere near accurate facts on transgender care, but you think your view of it trumps the decisions of parents for their own kids’ wellbeing. What other things do you want to force on people? Break up all gay marriages? Ban Islam? Force people to speak English at all times? Because I see it going that way. When a group realizes they can use the government to force their will on others, they don’t slow down.

Just leave transgender people alone, and stop believing the right-wing propaganda that millions of kids are being groomed and/or mutilated. It’s nonsense.

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