Atheists: How stupid are people really?

[Horseman 2,683]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

What formula do you use to calculate your scientific odds that a God doesn't exist? 

 

Nothing fancy,  I'll even let you choose the probability percentages.  Problem is (how many times do we have to point this out), there isn't any evidence.  You do not have a data set to work with.  None, nada, zip, zero.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, one is a lot worse than the other. The whack job Christians tell gay people they will go to hell (the Catholic Church does not anymore) when they die. Islamists following the Koran take the when part out of it and insert the now. Pretty big difference. If a Christian kills a gay person for being gay, they are going against Christianity. If a Muslim does he’s adhering to Islam. 

I concede this point for the 20th century and today.

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6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Just pointing out hypocrisy at its best. And it worked. You are the biggest contributor:

Another statistical impossibility.  I never even posted in the other thread.

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Just now, Horseman said:

Nothing fancy,  I'll even let you choose the probability percentages.  Problem is (how many times do we have to point this out), there isn't any evidence.  You do not have a data set to work with.  None, nada, zip, zero.

So you admit it. Great! You have zero evidence there is no God. Atheism is the belief there is no God. So, you have no evidence of the belief you follow. 

See how we worked through that so well.

Congrats dude. Enjoy your night.

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4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

No. It's just a historical fact. What are you reading into on that? Fear of atheism?

Only reading into it that you may fear the possibility of history repeating itself if radical leftists promote atheism resulting in violence such as mass murder and communism because of your continued emphasis on that much of the topic. Fear of things none of us want to happen obviously 

[Horseman 2,683]

13 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So you admit it. Great! You have zero evidence there is no God. Atheism is the belief there is no God. So, you have no evidence of the belief you follow. 

See how we worked through that so well.

Congrats dude. Enjoy your night.

The correct way to say it is there is zero evidence that God exists.  No one would claim to have evidence that one does not exist, that would be stupid.  I cannot disprove your claim that fairies visit you in bed every night. 

 

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8 minutes ago, nospk said:

Only reading into it that you may fear the possibility of history repeating itself if radical leftists promote atheism resulting in violence such as mass murder and communism because of your continued emphasis on that much of the topic. Fear of things none of us want to happen obviously 

That Joe McCarthy sure is a one-trick pony.

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41 minutes ago, Horseman said:

If there has to be a higher power to create the universe, who created the creator?

great point

so according to the "God" crowd, there was this God just sitting around doing nothing (what did he do before that where did he come from) then was like hey I am going to make a universe and in 465 billion years there will be people talking about whether I exist or not on the interweb, and if they don't accept my son that I decided to send after 464,999,998,000 years in then they will goto hell for all eternity

oh and I will only put one species in the universe and call them mankind that will be able to believe in me, and it will take 464,999,900,000 years for them to start to exist, and there will be a ton of other religions and gods but eventually this one will be right

sounds like an awesome plan

 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, nospk said:

Only reading into it that you may fear the possibility of history repeating itself if radical leftists promote atheism resulting in violence such as mass murder and communism because of your continued emphasis on that much of the topic. Fear of things none of us want to happen obviously 

Well, a country never wants repeat history in ways that end up destroying it. I completely agree. And I think the left in this country is working in a direction that is trending that way. You are correct. There should be fear of entering an age of socialism and communism given the democratic "leadership" in this country. It is scary. No doubt.

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8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The correct way to say it is there is zero evidence that God exists.  No one would claim to have evidence that one does not exist, that would be stupid.  I cannot disprove your claim that fairies visit you in bed every night. 

 

I can't prove atheism for you. And you can't prove it either.

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5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

great point

so according to the "God" crowd, there was this God just sitting around doing nothing (what did he do before that where did he come from) then was like hey I am going to make a universe and in 465 billion years there will be people talking about whether I exist or not on the interweb, and if they don't accept my son that I decided to send after 464,999,998,000 years in then they will goto hell for all eternity

oh and I will only put one species in the universe and call them mankind that will be able to believe in me, and it will take 464,999,900,000 years for them to start to exist, and there will be a ton of other religions and gods but eventually this one will be right

sounds like an awesome plan

 

 

The "God" crowd isn't saying anything here like that. What is the athiest crowd saying about their knowing there abosolutely is no God?

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4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

great point

so according to the "God" crowd, there was this God just sitting around doing nothing (what did he do before that where did he come from) then was like hey I am going to make a universe and in 465 billion years there will be people talking about whether I exist or not on the interweb, and if they don't accept my son that I decided to send after 464,999,998,000 years in then they will goto hell for all eternity

oh and I will only put one species in the universe and call them mankind that will be able to believe in me, and it will take 464,999,900,000 years for them to start to exist, and there will be a ton of other religions and gods but eventually this one will be right

sounds like an awesome plan

 

 

Nine of that is necessary to believe in to be a good Christian. You seem to be caught up on that stuff instead of the overall theme. 

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21 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I can't prove atheism for you. And you can't prove it either.

There is nothing to prove.  Lack of belief in something doesn't formulate a hypothesis.  But keep going around saying it over and over like a child if you wish.

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2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

There is nothing to prove.  Lack of belief in something doesn't formulate a hypothesis.  But keep going around saying it over and over like a child if you wish.

Atheism = I believe there is no God.

That is a belief you cannot prove. 

Done.

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nine of that is necessary to believe in to be a good Christian. You seem to be caught up on that stuff instead of the overall theme. 

Yes and no.   Most Christians will agree that to be good you have to accept Christ, love him and serve no other.  I mean it's the first 3 or 4 of the big 10 commandments.  He's very selfish and that requires you to throw the baby out with the bathwater when considering scientific facts of the universe.  

While we are talking about the big 10 rules, 7 or so depending on which version you subscribe, aren't even illegal in modern law.  Let's not pretend Christians know the first thing about modern morality. 

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3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Atheism = I believe there is no God.

That is a belief you cannot prove. 

Done.

Not quite right

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

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2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Atheism = I believe there is no God.

That is a belief you cannot prove. 

Done.

Jesus you're dense.   

It's not a belief, it's a lack of a belief.  Merriam-Webster.

Checkmate.

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7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Yes and no.   Most Christians will agree that to be good you have to accept Christ, love him and serve no other.  I mean it's the first 3 or 4 of the big 10 commandments.  He's very selfish and that requires you to throw the baby out with the bathwater when considering scientific facts of the universe.  

While we are talking about the big 10 rules, 7 or so depending on which version you subscribe, aren't even illegal in modern law.  Let's not pretend Christians know the first thing about modern morality. 

That was Moses with the Ten Commandments. He wasn’t a Christian. I don’t believe Jonah slept in a whale. I also don’t believe Jesus walked on water. I don’t believe Mary was actually a  Virgin. I think they are all parables/ metaphors. I do believe in love they neighbor. The former makes one a believer. The latter makes one a Christian.  

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Christians:

Are Africans, Asians and Nordic people all the sons and daughters of Noah? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,879]

5 minutes ago, peenie said:

Christians:

Are Africans, Asians and Nordic people all the sons and daughters of Noah? 

Noah wasn’t a Christian. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Jesus you're dense.   

It's not a belief, it's a lack of a belief.  Merriam-Webster.

Checkmate.

"A strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods."

Disbelief. Which is a belief in the opposite. Go home and cry. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Not quite right

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Nice cover up attempt.

Merriam Webster:

atheist

 noun

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athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist  \

Definition of atheist

 

: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Jesus you're dense.   

It's not a belief, it's a lack of a belief.  Merriam-Webster.

Checkmate.

atheist

 noun

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athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist  \

Definition of atheist

: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

 

You focking loser. You can't hang in the world of logic and science and nature and other parts of life, so when you lose you try everything you can to back out of it. 

 

 

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I like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and those satanist who get statues of Baphomet up at state capitols and stuff.  

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4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nine of that is necessary to believe in to be a good Christian. You seem to be caught up on that stuff instead of the overall theme. 

no but I live my life to the Judeo Christian value system more than most people do, and I do that without a book telling me too, or being raised to

 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no but I live my life to the Judeo Christian value system more than most people do, and I do that without a book telling me too, or being raised to

 

And that’s what works for you. Others may need a bit more.  But the silliness in the Bible, and there is plenty, shouldn’t make people dismissive of the good parts. I once knew a  lady who told me that if one part of the Bible is untrue, then it’s all untrue. She was some whack born again Pentecostal or something. I asked her if she thought Jonah really lived in a whale for a few days. She said yes. What are you gonna do? But she was nice and harmless, and seemed happy. I didn’t push it. Nothing to gain. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And that’s what works for you. Others may need a bit more.  But the silliness in the Bible, and there is plenty, shouldn’t make people dismissive of the good parts. I once knew a  lady who told me that if one part of the Bible is untrue, then it’s all untrue. She was some whack born again Pentecostal or something. I asked her if she thought Jonah really lived in a whale for a few days. She said yes. What are you gonna do? But she was nice and harmless, and seemed happy. I didn’t push it. Nothing to gain. 

my biggest thing is the whole dont accept jesus as your personal savior and you goto hell, talk about judgmental 

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6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

my biggest thing is the whole dont accept jesus as your personal savior and you goto hell, talk about judgmental 

Laugh at them. Ideologues come in many different forms, not just religious. Look at the TDS sky screamers. They root against their own country because of their ideology. 

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4 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Atheism = I believe there is no God.

That is a belief you cannot prove. 

Done.

How long has God been hanging around?  Millions of years right?  And what's the oldest person ever?   Like 122?  I think that's pretty good evidence that God might not be real.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

How long has God been hanging around?  Millions of years right?  And what's the oldest person ever?   Like 122?  I think that's pretty good evidence that God might not be real.

How long have no Gods been hanging around? Forever? Got the proof of that? I would love to see it.

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2 hours ago, MDC said:

I like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and those satanist who get statues of Baphomet up at state capitols and stuff.  

Trolls have their space in current day internet. Where is rusty? Peas in a pod are these two. Dang, they should get together. Liberal romance at it's best. rusty and mdc forever!!! viva la liberal hack troll !!!

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10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you want to compare 2020 Christianity to 2020 Islam? That’s what we’re doing here? And if you want to be concerned with brainwashing people and them not thinking for themselves, I suggest you look at higher education in this country. Especially anyone studying the humanities. They all appear to be emerging with the same line of thinking after graduation. 

I love the humanities but its yet another thing on the list that the SJW cancer has overrun them as you said. I wouldn't study them in most school settings now, maybe some old documentaries and books, yet another heart breaking look at what we've lost as a culture/society.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

my biggest thing is the whole dont accept jesus as your personal savior and you goto hell, talk about judgmental 

Who said that to you? Some homeless freak on a corner? This is your biggest problem with religious folks?

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11 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

So you admit it. Great! You have zero evidence there is no God. Atheism is the belief there is no God. So, you have no evidence of the belief you follow. 

See how we worked through that so well.

Congrats dude. Enjoy your night.

Tale this logic, apply it to bigfoot or fairies or gremlins or the Easter Bunny.

Suppose I told you that Bigfoot is real. (I don't, this is a thought experiment)

It's not up to you to prove to me that bigfoot don't exist. You can't and never will. If something doesn't exist, there's no evidence that the non-existant thing doesn't exist. Since I'm the one that believes in bigfoot, it's up to me to prove to you and everyone that they do. If I can't, you have every right to be skeptical of my claims.

So because you have no evidence that bigfoot isn't real... therefore it is real. Switch bigfoot out for God and there's the argument you are making. 

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With me, regarding Christianity and Judaism, their holy book tells us how the world was created. And we now know for sure that that story is wrong. There was no divine knowledge revealed, somebody made it up and we as a society can now call them out on it. Similar claims are made as to what happens to us after we die. It's not a leap to think they made that up too.Also there are precise instruments that measure four types of energy to like next to nothing. If we had a soul that lives on after we die, it doesn't emit any measurable energy. So I'm thinking it's likely fictional too, but I can't prove that.

The churches teach us good suggestions, time tested, for how to organize society and treat other people and how to lead a meaningful life, I don't disagree. It's far, far, far more attractive than this woke bullsh*t and especially as how Christianity is conducted nowaday pretty harmless. So I have no bone to pick with mainstream religions. This woke bullsh*t is both disturbing and overwhelming and I see the churches as allies in the culture wars.

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8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Tale this logic, apply it to bigfoot or fairies or gremlins or the Easter Bunny.

Suppose I told you that Bigfoot is real. (I don't, this is a thought experiment)

It's not up to you to prove to me that bigfoot don't exist. You can't and never will. If something doesn't exist, there's no evidence that the non-existant thing doesn't exist. Since I'm the one that believes in bigfoot, it's up to me to prove to you and everyone that they do. If I can't, you have every right to be skeptical of my claims.

So because you have no evidence that bigfoot isn't real... therefore it is real. Switch bigfoot out for God and there's the argument you are making. 

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With me, regarding Christianity and Judaism, their holy book tells us how the world was created. And we now know for sure that that story is wrong. There was no divine knowledge revealed, somebody made it up and we as a society can now call them out on it. Similar claims are made as to what happens to us after we die. It's not a leap to think they made that up too.Also there are precise instruments that measure four types of energy to like next to nothing. If we had a soul that lives on after we die, it doesn't emit any measurable energy. So I'm thinking it's likely fictional too, but I can't prove that.

The churches teach us good suggestions, time tested, for how to organize society and treat other people and how to lead a meaningful life, I don't disagree. It's far, far, far more attractive than this woke bullsh*t and especially as how its conducted nowaday pretty harmless. So I have no bone to pick with mainstream religions. This woke bullsh*t is both disturbing and overwhelming and I see the churches as allies in the culture wars.

Atheism is the belief there is NO God. 

I am not telling you God is real. I'm wondering why you have a firm belief God isn't real.

I'm not asking anyone to prove or disprove what I believe.

 

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9 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Atheism is the belief there is NO God. 

I am not telling you God is real. I'm wondering why you have a firm belief God isn't real.

What is your proof in what you believe? I'm not asking to prove what I believe.

 

Does switiching the word 'atheist' out in favor of 'agnostic' make you fell better? Technically, there is a lot we don't know and can't test. At no point and in now way do I see a need for a God to explain anything. I only use the term 'atheist' because I'm sure the various religious explanations we've come up with over the years are wrong, otherwise the difference between 'atheist' and 'agnostic' is merely it's merely cosmetic and at that point, we're just arguing semantics.

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31 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Does switiching the word 'atheist' out in favor of 'agnostic' make you fell better? Technically, there is a lot we don't know and can't test. At no point and in now way do I see a need for a God to explain anything. I only use the term 'atheist' because I'm sure the various religious explanations we've come up with over the years are wrong, otherwise the difference between 'atheist' and 'agnostic' is merely it's merely cosmetic and at that point, we're just arguing semantics.

It's not about me "feeling" better. The title of the thread states "Atheist".  So you are saying that people who call themselves an atheist don't know what the word means? If you are going to start changing the meaning of words like the internet resources do constantly, then I'm not sure how to communicate anymore. Maybe that's a sign of current day? I remember a girl I was dating who was 20 years old. She said once that in current day (8 years ago or so) words mean whatever a person wants them to mean and she believed it. Odd.

Is that where this is headed?

Many folks get pretty worked up and opinionated about those who have a belief in God. They constantly bring up things like the crusades all the time referencing back to the 1100's in the nations of Islam at the time. But they don't bring up communist USSR and China as examples of atheism being pushed in a more current day example. And I don't care if they don't talk about atheism in practice in this century.

I was just wondering if someone could defend their actual belief there is absolutely no God. Yet I get attacked about believing in a God which was not my question. Only a couple folks said they didn't know, which seems like an honest answer. But a few said they were sure there wasn't. Kind of like people being sure the planets and the sun orbited the earth way back when.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

It's not about me "feeling" better. The title of the thread states "Atheist".  So you are saying that people who call themselves an atheist don't know what the word means? If you are going to start changing the meaning of words like the internet resources do constantly, then I'm not sure how to communicate anymore. Maybe that's a sign of current day? I remember a girl I was dating who was 20 years old. She said once that in current day (8 years ago or so) words mean whatever a person wants them to mean and she believed it. Odd.

Is that where this is headed?

Many folks get pretty worked up and opinionated about those who have a belief in God. They constantly bring up things like the crusades all the time referencing back to the 1100's in the nations of Islam at the time. But they don't bring up communist USSR and China as examples of atheism being pushed in a more current day example. 

 

 

I don't think amyone here cares about semantics as much as you care about semantics. I know I sure don't. But even at that, somebody else did take the time to look up and post the definition of the word but you ignored it and carried on anways. All I'm trying to do is explain my thinking on the substance of the matter but you get hung up on arguing the meaning of words, which is pointless amd worse, using your own made up definition rather than what people posted.

As for Communism, its a failed political/economic system. You're right that it's most strict adherenents were atheists. Meanwhile, these dumb focking woke sh*tbags are also in a sort of atheistic cult. I far prefer a society that uses a merging of Greek philosophy with Judeo-Christian morality and ethics. While I don't need the invisible man in the sky sending lightning bolts up my ass and the threat of eternal damnation to keep me in line, it occurs to me that maybe more people do because I agree with you, this sh*t sucks.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I don't think amyone here cares about semantics as much as you care about semantics. I know I sure don't. But even at that, somebody else did take the time to look up and post the definition of the word but you ignored it and carried on anways. All I'm trying to do is explain my thinking on the substance of the matter but you get hung up on arguing the meaning of words, which is pointless amd worse, using your own made up definition rather than what people posted.

As for Communism, its a failed political/economic system. You're right that it's most strict adherenents were atheists. Meanwhile, these dumb focking woke sh*tbags are also in a sort of atheistic cult. I far prefer a society that uses a merging of Greek philosophy with Judeo-Christian morality and ethics. While I don't need the invisible man in the sky sending lightning bolts up my ass and the threat of eternal damnation to keep me in line, it occurs to me that maybe more people do because I agree with you, this sh*t sucks.

 

 

I guess I was thinking about a discussion about the existence or non existence of God would be a philosophical talk. In philosophical discussions, meaning of words are everything. This probably isn't the right place as a general rule.

And for God's sake (seriously no pun intended), these current day woke shltbags are a cult that need to be opposed in mass. I hope conservatives wake up and let their voice be known. I'm all in doing that myself.

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6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I guess I was thinking about a discussion about the existence or non existence of God would be a philosophical talk. In philosophical discussions, meaning of words are everything. This probably isn't the right place as a general rule.

And for God's sake (seriously no pun intended), these current day woke shltbags are a cult that need to be opposed in mass. I hope conservatives wake up and let their voice be known. I'm all in doing that myself.

You gave us your own definition of words that nobody accepted: atheists belive there is no god. Then you want to discuss things on that level. But atheism is a lack of belief in gods. So, when somebody posted the real defintion of words, you didn't like it and ignored it and want to argue over your definition. Then, I was like fine, whateverfloats your boat, here's my thinking on the subject, and I made a couple of nice posts. Then you ignore everything I say and you're like "I want to talk about my definition of atheism with you instead."

Also, for the record, Richard Feynman who I would argue is the smartest man of our lifetime, certainly the most humorous smart man of our lifetime, never got caught up in semantics and had some funny stories to tell in that matter that maybe I can dig up but is buried in loads of content online about his wit and wisdom.