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28 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t need to follow the trial to see Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. You just need to use your eyes.

While a picture can show a lot it can't show you different angles, it can show you pressure and pictures can be very misleading.

 

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29 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t need to follow the trial to see Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. You just need to use your eyes.

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Perhaps the most notable line of questioning of Addarondo by Nelson occurred when Nelson showed the Chief two videos of Chauvin’s knee near Floyd’s neck, but with the videos shot from different angles—one was the bystander video, the other a body worn camera video.

When asked if the bystander video made it appear that Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s neck, the Chief answered that it did appear to be located there.

When then asked if the body worn camera video made it appear that Chauvin’s knee was not on Floyd’s neck, but on Floyd’s shoulder blade, the Chief agreed that this also appeared to be the case.

This is from legalinsurrection.com which has been admittedly biased for the defense, but they have the actual testimony videos if you doubt the above exchange.

Also there is some question regarding how long the knee did not appear to be on the neck, but in the body cam video, but the point has been made to the jury that you cannot always trust what you think your eyes see.

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37 minutes ago, MDC said:

You don’t need to follow the trial to see Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. You just need to use your eyes.

You would think a guy who claims to be a big football fan would understand showing things from different camera angles, after seeing instant replay for a few decades. Not this dope. Troll on child, troll on. It’s all you are. 

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

This is from legalinsurrection.com which has been admittedly biased for the defense, but they have the actual testimony videos if you doubt the above exchange.

Also there is some question regarding how long the knee did not appear to be on the neck, but in the body cam video, but the point has been made to the jury that you cannot always trust what you think your eyes see.

I see a knee on his neck. I’d also argue that, if you’re in a kneeling position bearing weight on someone’s neck, you are “kneeling” on that person’s neck. I can’t blame Chauvin’s lawyers for quibbling - that’s their job. What’s your excuse?

Definitely not murder but c’mon now.

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26 minutes ago, MDC said:

I see a knee on his neck. I’d also argue that, if you’re in a kneeling position bearing weight on someone’s neck, you are “kneeling” on that person’s neck. I can’t blame Chauvin’s lawyers for quibbling - that’s their job. What’s your excuse?

Definitely not murder but c’mon now.

You are assuming he was bearing weight on Floyd's neck. His weight could've been distributed to the other knee. If he was kneeling and bearing weight on Floyd's neck there would have been bruising and or abrasions on Floyd's neck. No mention of that in the ME's report. :dunno:

 

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14 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You are assuming he was bearing weight on Floyd's neck. His weight could've been distributed to the other knee. If he was kneeling and bearing weight on Floyd's neck there would have been bruising and or abrasions on Floyd's neck. No mention of that in the ME's report. :dunno:

 

mdc is a focking liberal idiot. Reasoning doesn't register in his pea brain.

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

I see a knee on his neck. I’d also argue that, if you’re in a kneeling position bearing weight on someone’s neck, you are “kneeling” on that person’s neck. I can’t blame Chauvin’s lawyers for quibbling - that’s their job. What’s your excuse?

Definitely not murder but c’mon now.

I don’t think it’s quibbling when the politically appointed and motivated Chief admits that one pic looks like a shoulder blade.  Also, looking at your picture, Floyd is laying on his chest with his head turned to the side.  I know a little something about “blood chokes” having done some MMA training and the carotid artery runs in front of the ear.  I see Chauvin’s knee on both the shoulder blade and the neck, but back of the ear on the neck.  So I don’t think he’s cutting off blood from the carotid in that pic.  By the way, if you do cut it off, the person loses consciousness in seconds.

Is Chauvin a doosh?  Probably.  But he isn’t on trial for that.  I fear that he will have a difficult time getting a fair trial:  the jury knows that a bunch of animals will riot if they don’t find him guilty of at least something.  I heard that people were threatening the ME after his testimony; he did nothing but present his scientific conclusion, but he is interfering with the blood lust of the mob so the mob needs to send a message to future witnesses, and to the jury.  It sickens me that we let this stuff happen.

I do admit though that it would be fun in a macabre way to see him be completely set free, watch the Neanderthals burn and loot and pillage and injure, and listen to the MSM that at least they aren’t taking selfies at the Capitol.  :dunno: 

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They trust and believe in the courts when it comes to election fraud. Let’s see if they still do. 

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I thought he was partially guilty of something, but I hope he gets off completely now. I seriously want to watch libtards head's explode.

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6 hours ago, MDC said:

I see a knee on his neck. I’d also argue that, if you’re in a kneeling position bearing weight on someone’s neck, you are “kneeling” on that person’s neck. I can’t blame Chauvin’s lawyers for quibbling - that’s their job. What’s your excuse?

Definitely not murder but c’mon now.

I've long known about something in hockey called the parallax angle effect, where the puck looks like it's in the net but the camera lies, and the puck is actually in the air above the goal line, not in. I don't know if that same thing applies here. The one angle it's clear the knee is on the neck, the other it's clear it's not.... then my brain explodes. Then I collect what fragments I can and piece them back together and think maybe he moved it halfway through the nine minutes. I don't know.

But yeah, I see what you see.

 

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Nothing short of a public execution will satisfy the new brownshirts of the Democrat party

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2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Nothing short of a public execution will satisfy the new brownshirts of the Democrat party

Well, a cop just shot another black criminal so maybe that will divert everyone's attention. And I think the crisis at the border has all been resolved now, as well as the whole cuomo thing, now that there are a few other things to help draw attention away from the important matters at hand.  

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I saw on youtube there was a video of todays proceedings where they went over eyewitness testimony.  Again, still wondering why eyewitness testimony is not good enough for a congressional investigation into the 2020 election.

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On 4/11/2021 at 1:28 PM, jerryskids said:

This is from legalinsurrection.com which has been admittedly biased for the defense, but they have the actual testimony videos if you doubt the above exchange.

i was told testimony is no longer valid evidence after the 2020 election.

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On 4/9/2021 at 10:22 AM, peenie said:

It must be in your DNA that you accept that police should beat and kill non-violent unarmed BLACK criminals while bringing burgers to comfort WHITE mass murderers. 

Yesterday a Young black thug was in the middle of NYC and had an AK-47 and was taken into custody without incident, yelling his ghetto garbage the whole time. 

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One introspective thing I learned about myself from the story about the Portland police shooting that white guy recently is that I really couldn't give a flying fock about that white guy or the situation surrounding his death. So since I don't care about him, I asked myself, why? If I don't care about the white criminal assh0le, why is it that I DO care about all these black criminal a$$holes? What's the difference? It was a real moment of clarity. I think, it's because I'm being successfully manipulated and forced into give a sh*t. So congrats on that one, BLM.

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A black man threw a maltov cocktail at two cops in Brooklyn ny yesterday and was taken into custody. Wait, I thought they always get shot if they are black? 

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11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A black man threw a maltov cocktail at two cops in Brooklyn ny yesterday and was taken into custody. Wait, I thought they always get shot if they are black? 

They should have returned fire. 

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you can see why we vote by secret ballot.  if everyone knew how everyone voted, people would be killing each other.

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1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

you can see why we vote by secret ballot.  if everyone knew how everyone voted, people would be killing each other.

I think radical voting reform in necessary.  Not only should your vote be of public record, it should be tied to your taxes.  If you vote for a politician, every bill they vote for that gets passes, you pay a portion of that bill.  If the person you voted for lost or did not vote for the bill, then you pay nothing.  What would this accomplish?

  1. Guarantees a balanced budget every year.  No money = no spending.
  2. Forces people to put their money where their mouths are.  If Liberals want all this socialist crap, let them be the ones who pay for it.
  3. Forces politicians to be accountable to their constituents by directly tying them to their paycheck.  You'll care a lot more about the people you elect if you see a huge tax number next to that politician's name on your paystub (every tax is itemized).

There's no loser, except the politician.  They become directly tied to their community instead of being popular by familiarity/propaganda.

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24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think radical voting reform in necessary.  Not only should your vote be of public record, it should be tied to your taxes.  If you vote for a politician, every bill they vote for that gets passes, you pay a portion of that bill.  If the person you voted for lost or did not vote for the bill, then you pay nothing.  What would this accomplish?

  1. Guarantees a balanced budget every year.  No money = no spending.
  2. Forces people to put their money where their mouths are.  If Liberals want all this socialist crap, let them be the ones who pay for it.
  3. Forces politicians to be accountable to their constituents by directly tying them to their paycheck.  You'll care a lot more about the people you elect if you see a huge tax number next to that politician's name on your paystub (every tax is itemized).

There's no loser, except the politician.  They become directly tied to their community instead of being popular by familiarity/propaganda.

I think you should also be able to opt out of social security. If you choose not to pay in, you do not get any benefits when you are old. Sign me up

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1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

I think you should also be able to opt out of social security. If you choose not to pay in, you do not get any benefits when you are old. Sign me up

I think we should start phasing out social security completely.  Instead of 100% of the money going into current and future payouts, have only a portion go to current payouts and have the rest go to your own personal retirement fund.  A fund which you have 100% control of.  If you want to avoid it because you don't understand it, no problem.  The money can go directly into a specific savings account with a set interest rate.  At some point, they'll take the money out of a simple savings account and move it into a higher yield account.

Right now, our paychecks are dinged for 6.2% for social security.  So, someone who makes $15 and hour (the new minimum wage target), will pay $1934 a year into social security.  If we split that with the government where we keep 67% and they get 33%, then instead of said minimum wage person giving all $1900 to the gov, they keep almost $1300 of it.  Now of course that's not something you can retire on, but if you can set your own number and get a guaranteed return on investment, say, just 3% (standard rate of inflation), then someone who works 50 years (age 16 to 66), and only makes $15 and hour, could retire with $146k.  Now, you may say that's nothing, but if you only made $30k per year, that's about 5 years.

Assuming no one will work a minimum wage job their whole life, there's no reason to think they'll need a big safety net.  But, that 33% of everyone's pay that's going to the Feds, is just that.  Here's the thing.  You can contribute as much as you want.  The Fed gets 2%.  You can set your cut to be 8%.  If you get 8% into that account, then after 50 years, now you're up to $275k which is equivalent to 9 years pay.  Sure, you'll have to pay some income tax, but only on the interest.  Almost half is your money that was already taxed.  If you just took a steady $425 out weekly (which was your weekly pay), you'd get about 11 years of income.  Obviously one would think that $425 a week in the year 2070 will be a drop in the bucket, but as I said, the odds of someone making only $15 an hour for 50 straight years is highly unlikely.

For an added kick for the Liberals who think the rich don't need all that money, anyone who has a certain income can kick in 3% or 4% instead of the 2% like everyday people.  Also, once your personal social security account hits a certain number, you also kick in an extra percent or 2 to help out the people need it.  The net result is that over time, the government has less control over your income and the individual has more control on their retirement status.  Eventually, it will be a mainstay to the point where social security goes away entirely.

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1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

I think you should also be able to opt out of social security. If you choose not to pay in, you do not get any benefits when you are old. Sign me up

That's sounds good to me but I want mine when I get there because they already took it from me. 

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think radical voting reform in necessary.  Not only should your vote be of public record, it should be tied to your taxes.  If you vote for a politician, every bill they vote for that gets passes, you pay a portion of that bill.  If the person you voted for lost or did not vote for the bill, then you pay nothing.  What would this accomplish?

  1. Guarantees a balanced budget every year.  No money = no spending.
  2. Forces people to put their money where their mouths are.  If Liberals want all this socialist crap, let them be the ones who pay for it.
  3. Forces politicians to be accountable to their constituents by directly tying them to their paycheck.  You'll care a lot more about the people you elect if you see a huge tax number next to that politician's name on your paystub (every tax is itemized).

There's no loser, except the politician.  They become directly tied to their community instead of being popular by familiarity/propaganda.

I could be in on this.

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12 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

That's sounds good to me but I want mine when I get there because they already took it from me. 

I am 40, but would gladly forfeit what I have paid in. I can invest my own money just fine. 

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1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

I could be in on this.

If people believe in BLM and reparations, then they can pay for it.  If you took all of the cumulative wealth of black American's, their GDP would rank in the top 15 in the world.  Let rich black people and rich/guilty, white people pay reparations.  Enjoy.  I'm all for you paying for what you want.

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Just now, bostonlager said:

I am 40, but would gladly forfeit what I have paid in. I can invest my own money just fine. 

At the very least, you should be able to just take back a percentage of what you paid in... even if it's only 2 or 3%.  That could be your initial investment into your own account.

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1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

I think you should also be able to opt out of social security. If you choose not to pay in, you do not get any benefits when you are old. Sign me up

And what do we do with the people that don’t prepare? Old poor people are a pain in the ass. 

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10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And what do we do with the people that don’t prepare? Old poor people are a pain in the ass. 

I don't care what you do with them. Let them die. 

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1 minute ago, bostonlager said:

I don't care what you do with them. Let them die. 

Your sentiment is not unreasonable, but it ain’t gonna happen. We will end up paying for them one way or another. You know this. And it won’t just be a city thing. There are losers everywhere who can’t manage money like an adult. At least they contribute something now. 

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9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Your sentiment is not unreasonable, but it ain’t gonna happen. We will end up paying for them one way or another. You know this. And it won’t just be a city thing. There are losers everywhere who can’t manage money like an adult. 

I am well aware it would never happen. I am a narcissist and think empathy is for f@ggots so I do daydream from time to time how great it would be if I or someone like me ruled the world. 

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2 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

I am well aware it would never happen. I am a narcissist and think empathy is for f@ggots so I do daydream from time to time how great it would be if I or someone like me ruled the world. 

I hear ya. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 8:11 AM, kozmiq said:

or do some of you, for whatever reasons that you will explain, want to argue otherwise.

i believe in this country, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and that he must be found guilty in a trial and not on a message board or by an angry BLM mob.

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30 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If people believe in BLM and reparations, then they can pay for it.  If you took all of the cumulative wealth of black American's, their GDP would rank in the top 15 in the world.  Let rich black people and rich/guilty, white people pay reparations.  Enjoy.  I'm all for you paying for what you want.

if we really are doing the reparations thing, then since Obama bombed Libya, a nation that did not attack us, destroyed infrastructure there and directly and indirectly murdered many civilians from the fallout from loss of clean drinking water to just getting hit in the head by shrapnel and concrete, should Malia and Sasha pay reparations for this?  While its true they did not bomb them directly, their bloodline did.

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3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

if we really are doing the reparations thing, then since Obama bombed Libya, a nation that did not attack us, destroyed infrastructure there and directly and indirectly murdered many civilians from the fallout from loss of clean drinking water to just getting hit in the head by shrapnel and concrete, should Malia and Sasha pay reparations for this?  While its true they did not bomb them directly, their bloodline did.

 Never mind that slavery has been reintroduced in Libya. But like everything else,Obama will slide. Hell, Trump got blamed for Obama’s kid cages. 

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4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

if we really are doing the reparations thing, then since Obama bombed Libya, a nation that did not attack us, destroyed infrastructure there and directly and indirectly murdered many civilians from the fallout from loss of clean drinking water to just getting hit in the head by shrapnel and concrete, should Malia and Sasha pay reparations for this?  While its true they did not bomb them directly, their bloodline did.

Fine by me, they're the ones voting for it.

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10 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I hope Chauvin walks clean. 

I do as well, but if I am forced to wager on what happens, I only see two possible outcomes. 

1. Guilty - Jury members all know these animals will destroy their homes and lives. 

2. Hung jury - mistrial. One or a few good folks refuse to vote guilty and stick to their guns. 

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2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I hope Chauvin walks clean. 

My initial thought was that he was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.  They over charged him.  Because of that, I hope he walks clean.  The best case scenario is that the "right thing" happens and that this is found to be a mistrial.  The DA should offer a plea deal (involuntary man), and the defense should take it.

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