Can we all agree that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd

[RLLD 4,283]

15 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

My initial thought was that he was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.  They over charged him.  Because of that, I hope he walks clean.  The best case scenario is that the "right thing" happens and that this is found to be a mistrial.  The DA should offer a plea deal (involuntary man), and the defense should take it.

But its eye for an eye time, but only where such an approach exclusively benefits persons of color.....

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But its eye for an eye time, but only where such an approach exclusively benefits persons of color.....

Sure, but I'm just hoping for the "American right thing to do", instead of the pound of flesh outcome.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I hope he gets murder two. 25 to life 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I hope he gets murder two. 25 to life 

Of course you would. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

I think if he's found guilty, he appeal's to a higher court.

[listen2me 23 1,969]

Chauvin cant get a fair trial.  Gangs of people ready to riot and harrass those ingolved in the trial.  Dem rep calling got violence.  No way he can get a fair trial.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Chauvin cant get a fair trial.  Gangs of people ready to riot and harrass those ingolved in the trial.  Dem rep calling got violence.  No way he can get a fair trial.  

What's the rules on this.  Can the defense ask to fore go the jury and have the judge rule?  If so, that's the route the defense should take.

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13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What's the rules on this.  Can the defense ask to fore go the jury and have the judge rule?  If so, that's the route the defense should take.

He doesn't want the savages to burn his house down either.

[Fireballer 2,693]

Defense wiping the floor with prosecution in closings, that is if the jury is actually looking for nuance and facts. He literally reading and interpreting the Minneapolis PDs Use of Force policy and painting the picture that Chauvins actions were reasonable.  The thing that may derail the defense, is Chauvin continuing once Floyd stopped resisting.

[KSB2424 3,174]

He'll get charged with the lesser of the three charges because jurors are human and know they have to charge him with something.  There will still be riots in the street.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

10 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

He'll get charged with the lesser of the three charges because jurors are human and know they have to charge him with something.  There will still be riots in the street.

I'm skeptical.  I think he's either convicted on all 3 (and they appeal to a higher court), or it's a hung jury.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm skeptical.  I think he's either convicted on all 3 (and they appeal to a higher court), or it's a hung jury.

If he gets convicted of murder, conservatives should be rioting.

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He walks or gets a lesser charge. Only people that got justice in any of this are Floyd’s likely many victims over the years of various crimes that I’m sure did not shed a tear for him or the millions his family got for no reason. Imagine maybe going to jail for life for doing your job and doing society a favor. 

[Alias Detective 1,475]

2nd degree manslaughter at most.  That will not suffice many and tempers will flare.  Big Al and Jessie will be all over this.

[KSB2424 3,174]

37 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

He walks or gets a lesser charge. Only people that got justice in any of this are Floyd’s likely many victims over the years of various crimes that I’m sure did not shed a tear for him or the millions his family got for no reason. Imagine maybe going to jail for life for doing your job and doing society a favor. 

I've had the trial on in the background.  I had no idea that the EMS was called just two minutes after Chauvin arrived on scene. Then a minute later called again to up the response time.   It was the first time I have seen up close officer cams from all the other officers as well.  Floyd was foaming at the mouth, acting erratic, said he couldn't breathe as soon as the cops got there while he was standing up.  I would have thought he was just saying that too so he wouldn't get arrested.  The more actual video I see the more I think Chauvin is completely innocent of all charges.  Dude was huge, resisted arrest, was obviously on something, etc.  Tragic that he died, but it wasn't the officers fault all things considered.  

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13 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

2nd degree manslaughter at most.  That will not suffice many and tempers will flare.  Big Al and Jessie will be all over this.

Those 2 are done. Crump is calling the shots and pocketing the $ now.

[Alias Detective 1,475]

16 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I've had the trial on in the background.  I had no idea that the EMS was called just two minutes after Chauvin arrived on scene. Then a minute later called again to up the response time.   It was the first time I have scene up close officer cams from all the other officers as well.  Floyd was foaming at the mouth, acting erratic, said he couldn't breathe as soon as the cops go there while he was standing up.  I would have thought he was just saying that too so he wouldn't get arrested.  The more actual video I see the more I think Chauvin is completely innocent of all charges.  Dude was huge, resisted arrest, was obviously on something, etc.  Tragic that he died, but it wasn't the officers fault all things considered.  

Wrong.   Chauvin went to work looking to kill a black man.  That’s what cops do.

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4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Wrong.   Chauvin went to work looking to kill a black man.  That’s what cops do.

My favorite was when the Breonna Taylor story broke and the narrative was “she was hunted down and killed in her sleep for being black.”

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3 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

My favorite was when the Breonna Taylor story broke and the narrative was “she was hunted down and killed in her sleep for being black.”

And she was a nurse. Not some sort of orderly that was fired. 

[Fireballer 2,693]

I still don't see how you get past the ME saying he would label this a Fentanyl OD, absent of a police encounter. He displayed numerous symptoms pre-arrest consistent with hypoxia due to OD.

[posty 2,852]

Report: NBA prepared to postpone games after Derek Chauvin murder trial verdict

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-nba-preparing-to-postpone-games-after-derek-chauvin-murder-trial-verdict-021816802.html

The NBA is prepared to postpone games in response to the upcoming verdict in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reports. 

Chauvin faces second- and third-degree murder charges and a second-degree manslaughter charge after George Floyd died in police custody last May. Prior to Floyd's death, Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes amid repeated pleas from Floyd that he couldn't breathe.

Jurors will deliberate this week after closing arguments on Monday conclude a trial that's been ongoing for three weeks. 

NBA's role in social justice protests

Floyd's death prompted an outpouring of civil unrest across the nation last summer that extended to the NBA community. The league adopted "Black Lives Matter" as its theme when it resumed its COVID-19-delayed season in the NBA bubble last season with the message sprawled in bold font on NBA courts. Players wore social justice messages on their uniforms and walked out on playoff games following the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin. 

As tension mounted around the Chauvin trial, another police-involved killing of a Black man shook the Minneapolis area last week. Veteran Brooklyn Center police officer Kim Potter shot and killed 20-year-old Daunte Wright during a traffic stop in the Minneapolis suburb. 

Police Chief Tim Gannon claimed that Potter meant to fire her Taser at Wright but shot her pistol instead. Potter and Gannon have since resigned, and Potter faces a second-degree manslaughter charge.

NBA postponed Wolves game after Wright death

Wright's death prompted protest in the streets and the postponement of sports events in Minnesota, including last week's Timberwolves-Nets game.

According to Wojnarowski, the NBA league office is ready for "a night or two" of postponed games this week and has instructed teams "to be vigilant about the impact of a potential verdict."

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No surprise that they would do this...  Even if Chauvin is found completely guilty and given the death penalty, there will be riots to celebrate the outcome so they will have to cancel games anyway...

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

If the NBA never played another game... would anyone really care?

[lod001 1,345]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If the NBA never played another game... would anyone really care?

They gotta announce it because no one would know if they didn't. 

Sad what the D's have destroyed. Oh, the good ole days of the NBA:

 

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52 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I still don't see how you get past the ME saying he would label this a Fentanyl OD, absent of a police encounter. He displayed numerous symptoms pre-arrest consistent with hypoxia due to OD.

That's enough for reasonable doubt and that's all the defense needs. 

[Fireballer 2,693]

Lawyers and Judge discussing Maxine Waters' statements about the case.

Judge:

"A Congresswoman's opinion really doesn't mean much"

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22 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's enough for reasonable doubt and that's all the defense needs. 

The prosecutor literally said in closing arguments that he doesn't have to prove that Chauvin's actions were the primary cause of Floyd's death, just that it was significant. 

 

[Alias Detective 1,475]

Defense closing arguments were very weak.  The “dots” exhibit was idiotic at best.

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17 minutes ago, Strike said:

The prosecutor literally said in closing arguments that he doesn't have to prove that Chauvin's actions were the primary cause of Floyd's death, just that it was significant. 

 

As with any case, reasonable doubt is the bar that needs to be cleared. If a juror has reasonable doubt about the guilt of the accused, he/she must vote for acquittal. 

[KSB2424 3,174]

12 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Defense closing arguments were very weak.  The “dots” exhibit was idiotic at best.

I still don't know why he didn't set him up on his behind,  once Floyd was still.  I honestly think because at that time there was a crowd gathering around him and he was more concerned about things getting out of hand.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If the NBA never played another game... would anyone really care?

Depends if it would negatively effect my NBA Top Shot account value.

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13 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

As with any case, reasonable doubt is the bar that needs to be cleared. If a juror has reasonable doubt about the guilt of the accused, he/she must vote for acquittal. 

Agreed, which is why I'm where I am with this case.  Hopefully some of the jurors have the cajones to buck the pressure they're feeling to convict.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Juror Intimidation 

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[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Juror Intimidation 

That focking ###### should get the death penalty.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Should have been a mistrial without a doubt.

[5-Points 3,840]

22 minutes ago, Strike said:

Agreed, which is why I'm where I am with this case.  Hopefully some of the jurors have the cajones to buck the pressure they're feeling to convict.

This jury should've been sequestered and their identities kept private until well after this verdict is returned. 

You're asking them to potentially risk their lives and those of their family members. Not to mention the safety and well being of their homes and property. Simply for following the law and returning the correct verdict. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Should have been a mistrial without a doubt.

Dumb

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

This jury should've been sequestered and their identities kept private until well after this verdict is returned. 

You're asking them to potentially risk their lives and those of their family members. Not to mention the safety and well being of their homes and property. Simply for following the law and returning the correct verdict. 

 

Imagine it was the other way around.  Where largely white people were awaiting a verdict and threatened violence.  Smeared blood all over houses of people who testify. 

They would all be labeled white supremacists on the spot.  No congressperson could be able to tell them to turn it up a notch.  They would be looked at as the KKK.  

But snapping back to reality, because these are black people it is perfectly normal and okay to do.   

Black privilege is real

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Imagine it was the other way around.  Where largely white people were awaiting a verdict and threatened violence.  Smeared blood all over houses of people who testify. 

They would all be labeled white supremacists on the spot.  No congressperson could be able to tell them to turn it up a notch.  They qould be looked at as the KKK.  

But snapping back to reality, because these are black people it is perfectly normal and okay to do.   

Black privilege is real

100%

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Dumb

You have already established that you don't know what is going on around you in life. No need to add on.