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[TimHauck 3,486]

22 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

The fatty flu has the Bothauck unhinged. He must be pushing 3 bills around.

Covid deaths more correlated with age than anything else.

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57 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes I know what you said.  It’s possible.  But it’s not EQUALLY possible.

Sorry, what’s 6000 out of 350 million?

If the possibility exists for two things to happen then it exists equally for both. The probability for either may not be the same but if both things are possible, they are equally possible. 

Unless you can explain why some people experience adverse effects from getting vaccinated after having recently contracted Covid and others don't, which you can't, then you can't say that those same people wouldn't also experience adverse effects if they contracted Covid after having recently been vaccinated. 

 

Around 6000 people out of a country of around 350 million people are killed each year by themselves or somebody else with a gun and that is significant enough for the Dems to want to ban guns. It's disingenuous to downplay a .006% rate in one instance and then exaggerate a .001% rate in another instance. As I said above, I know the two are completely unrelated. It's just an observation. 

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Of course, it's dumb to take this experimental injection produced by the most evil people on the planet. Among the most hesitant to take the injection are....medical workers. Hmmmm.

So, the vaccine has killed at least 2X the amount of people from 9/11. But Americans are cool with that. Hey, it's collateral damage.

What a bunch of 'mos.

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This is a situation where people have to make a choice between risks...

The problem is, most people I know don't trust the data.

I don't believe the number of covid deaths in the US is anywhere close to what they report. I think anyone who could even plausibly be called a covid death was, for various purposes, namely emergency funding.

The same is true of the deaths from vaccine data. The drug makers have every reason to cover those up. The anti Vax side will see a guy with six bullet holes, find a vaccine card in his wallet, and call it a death by Vax.

That is the problem on damn near every issue in modern America. I generally feel both sides are lying for their own agenda. By how much? Who the hell knows?

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18 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 All deaths more correlated with age than anything else.

Fixed. 

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17 hours ago, 5-Points said:

If the possibility exists for two things to happen then it exists equally for both. The probability for either may not be the same but if both things are possible, they are equally possible. 

Unless you can explain why some people experience adverse effects from getting vaccinated after having recently contracted Covid and others don't, which you can't, then you can't say that those same people wouldn't also experience adverse effects if they contracted Covid after having recently been vaccinated. 

 

Around 6000 people out of a country of around 350 million people are killed each year by themselves or somebody else with a gun and that is significant enough for the Dems to want to ban guns. It's disingenuous to downplay a .006% rate in one instance and then exaggerate a .001% rate in another instance. As I said above, I know the two are completely unrelated. It's just an observation. 

Your first paragraph is just nitpicking words.

But your second paragraph sounds like you are in fact claiming the “probability” is the same.  It’s not.  Look at the trial data and now the real-world data, particularly from Israel.

And I don’t think anyone should take your guns.

 

 

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2 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

This is a situation where people have to make a choice between risks...

The problem is, most people I know don't trust the data.

I don't believe the number of covid deaths in the US is anywhere close to what they report. I think anyone who could even plausibly be called a covid death was, for various purposes, namely emergency funding.

The same is true of the deaths from vaccine data. The drug makers have every reason to cover those up. The anti Vax side will see a guy with six bullet holes, find a vaccine card in his wallet, and call it a death by Vax.

That is the problem on damn near every issue in modern America. I generally feel both sides are lying for their own agenda. By how much? Who the hell knows?

Do you trust the data on TOTAL deaths?

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29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you trust the data on TOTAL deaths?

Nope, unless you can produce names, addresses, birth certs, ss#, etc. 

The numbers are fake to fit the agenda and it's easy to fudge and Impossible to prove otherwise.

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37 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Fixed. 

Correct, and yet about 500k extra total people have died in the last year...

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2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Nope, unless you can produce names, addresses, birth certs, ss#, etc. 

The numbers are fake to fit the agenda and it's easy to fudge and Impossible to prove otherwise.

I know you and a couple other posters don’t, I was asking titans&bucs&bears

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36 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you trust the data on TOTAL deaths?

Personally, I did pretty much, until someone posted how there's a financial incentive for listing COVID as 'cause of death.'  It's also becoming evindent that 'cause of death' is maleable and is often a guess on behalf of the doctor in far more cases than we ever realized previously. Take last years utter absense of regular 'flu' deaths. Did regular flu go away? It seems to me that through 2019, 'flu' may have been used as a catch-all diagnosis  for "I don't know".

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5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Personally, I did pretty much, until someone posted how there's a financial incentive for listing COVID as 'cause of death.'  It's also becoming evindent that 'cause of death' is maleable and is often a guess on behalf of the doctor in far more cases than we ever realized previously. Take last years utter absense of regular 'flu' deaths. Did regular flu go away? It seems to me that through 2019, 'flu' may have been used as a catch-all diagnosis  for "I don't know".

That wasn’t my question.  My question was about trusting the data on TOTAL deaths.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

That wasn’t my question.  My question was about trusting the data on TOTAL deaths.

I think it's the high end.

The answer would be 'no' if there is indeed a financinal incentive to record deaths as COVD but I realize that I'm on precarious ground with that since I'm relying on facts that I learned at the Geek Club. Barring that, it sees good enough to me. 

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17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Correct, and yet about 500k extra total people have died in the last year...

Ok. But what kind of people were they? Most of them were old or had serious health issues. That does not represent a serious threat to the general population. A very specific group of people are severely affected. The rest get sick and fight it off with their immune system. Tell me where I’m wrong. 

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19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Correct, and yet about 500k extra total people have died in the last year...

More old people than usual, along with younger fatties that killed them.  

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I'm on the fence. I had covid, so I'm not sure I need the vaccine. Maybe I will. Maybe I won't. If I do, I'm doing the J&J so I only go once.

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11 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I think it's the high end.

The answer would be 'no' if there is indeed a financinal incentive to record deaths as COVD but I realize that I'm on precarious ground with that since I'm relying on facts that I learned at the Geek Club. Barring that, it sees good enough to me. 

Again, not my question.   Do you think they are lying about the total number of people that died, of any cause?  Any financial incentive to list a death as a covid death is irrelevant, unless your claim is that they are just saying people died that actually didn’t die (in which case then yes the answer to my question would be no). 

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And if there’s a giant conspiracy to inflate TOTAL death counts, then it must be happening all over the world.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Your first paragraph is just nitpicking words.

But your second paragraph sounds like you are in fact claiming the “probability” is the same.  It’s not.  Look at the trial data and now the real-world data, particularly from Israel.

And I don’t think anyone should take your guns.

 

 

 You're entire argument has been nitpicking words. Specifically the word equally. My first paragraph was merely an explanation of why I chose to use the word and what I mean when I do. 

 

I'm saying if the combination of vaccine and Covid results in an adverse reaction in some people that it is entirely "possible" that those people would experience the same adverse reaction regardless of the sequence of the combination.

In a nut shell:

Me: If A+B=C then it stands to reason that B+A=C

You: A+B=C but B+A can't =C

I just wanted to clear that up. It's really not important to me. I'm not afraid of getting Covid. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've already gotten it and gotten over it. There's no way I couldn't have been exposed to it given where I do what I do for a living. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

 You're entire argument has been nitpicking words. Specifically the word equally. My first paragraph was merely an explanation of why I chose to use the word and what I mean when I do. 

 

I'm saying if the combination of vaccine and Covid results in an adverse reaction in some people that it is entirely "possible" that those people would experience the same adverse reaction regardless of the sequence of the combination.

In a nut shell:

Me: If A+B=C then it stands to reason that B+A=C

You: A+B=C but B+A can't =C

I just wanted to clear that up. It's really not important to me. I'm not afraid of getting Covid. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've already gotten it and gotten over it. There's no way I couldn't have been exposed to it given where I do what I do for a living. 

 

 

 

You're nitpicking "possibility" vs. "probability," yes I'm nitpicking you repeatedly using the term "equally," when they are not equal.

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. But what kind of people were they? Most of them were old or had serious health issues. That does not represent a serious threat to the general population. A very specific group of people are severely affected. The rest get sick and fight it off with their immune system. Tell me where I’m wrong. 

If you define "old" as anyone over about 60 or are generous with the term "serious" health issues, then yeah I agree.   But that's a lot of people.

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31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You're nitpicking "possibility" vs. "probability," yes I'm nitpicking you repeatedly using the term "equally," when they are not equal.

No, I'm pointing out that you're conflating possibility with probability. I never said they were equal. I said they are equally possible, which they are. 

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Nothing to see here.

 

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Just now, Reality said:

Nothing to see here.

 

The tests suck. Been obvious for a while. 

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On 5/10/2021 at 6:08 AM, crackattack said:

I'm on the fence. I had covid, so I'm not sure I need the vaccine. Maybe I will. Maybe I won't. If I do, I'm doing the J&J so I only go once.

If I had Covid I'd still want the vaccine but not be in any hurry to get it.  You're pretty much immune from having had it but having the "official" vaccine isn't going to hurt.  But you can afford to wait until we know more about the vaccines to better decide which to get.

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53 minutes ago, Reality said:

Nothing to see here.

 

Sounds like they got the J&J, which isn’t as effective (at preventing infection)

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sounds like they got the J&J, which isn’t as effective (at preventing infection)

link?

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JFC...

 

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11 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

link?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-yankees-covid-vaccine-20210408-3ishrev3j5dnrg736ndklyslt4-story.html