January 6th Insurrection = Complete Bull

[jonmx 2,424]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The basic rule of the use of deadly physical force by law enforcement is that you may only use DPF if it is used against you or you have reason to believe it will be used against you. I don’t believe that was the case with the Babbit shooting.  What was she going to do, unarmed, if she did break through? 

Run into a wall of 50 armed cops.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

Imagine the former director of the FBI not being required to testify into what went on in the FBI while he was in charge, even after a crime was discovered and prosecuted. Liberals are ok with this. 

[thegeneral 2,895]

9 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Acting like a lunatic?  GTFO.  She was climbing through a window which had 50 cops standing down the hall.  She was absolutely no threat to anyone.  The half-dozen or so protestors there were calming talking to police officers.  She was murdered in cold blood by a cowardly cop who should have never had a gun. 

Oh lord. The people rhat were there talking to these people had left. This lady starts crawling through the window.

If this was were your house you would either shoot this lady or want the cops to do it. There would be no question after the investigation.

It’s all, the whole day,  a giant tragedy that was all caused by one dude whose ego is too fragile to handle a loss. 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

So, your position is that the Feds had no idea what was happening that day?  That a bunch of bumpkins errr... the greatest terrorist threat in our nation's history planned to take over the country? (sorry, took me a while to type that in between laughs).

If so, that would call for a major overhaul of our obviously broken intel infrastructure, no?

Who was President of the United States when this happened? How long had he been in power? How many of his appointees were in charge of the agencies tasked to defend our nation?

Nobody on the right seems to want to seriously consider that question. Instead it’s all “the deep state hated him” instead of holding the boss and his political appointees responsible.

Global inflation goes up - it’s all Biden’s fault. A mob storms the Capitol 4 years into the previous guy’s term… and it’s NOT his fault? The buck stops at the Oval Office. If all the agencies were supposedly broken by that time, then we know exactly who is responsible for that happening, or allowing it to happen. Let’s see what happens on Jan 6, 2025. Regardless of who wins the 2024 election, I’m guessing we won’t have a repeat because we will have competent people in charge.

The incessant whining that everybody in the government hated Trump and that’s why things didn’t go his way? Nah. That’s just incompetence. A multi-millionaire president of the USA is not a victim. The fact that he constantly acted like one makes him a pu$$y, not a hero.

[jonmx 2,424]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Oh lord. The people rhat were there talking to these people had left. This lady starts crawling through the window.

If this was were your house you would either shoot this lady or want the cops to do it. There would be no question after the investigation.

It’s all, the whole day,  a giant tragedy that was all caused by one dude whose ego is too fragile to handle a loss. 

If there were a bunch of armed police inside vs. One unarmed woman, it would be murder by any definition.  Nobody gives a crap about this because she is a conservative, not worthy of justice....she was just a Jew in the eyes of the bigoted authoritarian bastards. 

[thegeneral 2,895]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

If there were a bunch of armed police inside vs. One unarmed woman, it would be murder by any definition.  Nobody gives a crap about this because she is a conservative, not worthy of justice....she was just a Jew in the eyes of the bigoted authoritarian bastards. 

She was one of many. She was the first to try and enter. Perhaps he could have held her hand and helped her in. 

Good grief. 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Who was President of the United Stares when this happened? How long had he been in power? How many of his appointees were in charge of the agencies tasked to defend our nation?

Nobody on the right seems to want to seriously consider that question. Instead it’s all “the deep state hated him” instead of holding the boss and his political appointees responsible.

Global inflation goes up - it’s all Biden’s fault. A mob storms the Capitol 4 years into the previous guy’s term… and it’s NOT his fault? The buck stops at the Oval Office. If all the agencies were supposedly broken by that time, then we know exactly who is responsible for that happening, or allowing it to happen. Let’s see what happens on Jan 6, 2025. Regardless of who wins the 2024 election, I’m guessing we won’t have a repeat because we will have competent people in charge.

The incessant whining that everybody in the government hated Trump and that’s why things didn’t go his way? Nah. That’s just incompetence. A multi-millionaire president of the USA is not a victim. The fact that he constantly acted like one makes him a pu$$y, not a hero.

We created the biggest beauracraric monster ever and empowered many of these agencies with powers our government should not have.  Spying, censoring, political targeting, favoritism, lying in court, stonewalling investigations from elected officials, abusing citizens with zero consequences.  Wake the f up....our government is completely rogue.  Stop excusing these bastards. 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

She was one of many. She was the first to try and enter. Perhaps he could have held her hand and helped her in. 

Good grief. 

There were less than 10 protestors there along with at least 4 police in with them and dozens of other armed police on the other side.   You are a buffoon if you think any soul was in danger.  

[thegeneral 2,895]

Just now, jonmx said:

There were less than 10 protestors there along with at least 4 police in with them and dozens of other armed police on the other side.   You are a buffoon if you think any soul was in danger.  

You are like the biggest Monday morning QB of all time. This dude is standing on the other side of a bunch of broken windows and doors and then some person who has ignored all commands starts crawling through the broken window. She put herself in this situation, she entered this building, she was part of all this chaos. 

Now go on about Jews, and brown shirts, gestapo, etc.

[Beaker15 233]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Oh lord. The people rhat were there talking to these people had left. This lady starts crawling through the window.

If this was were your house you would either shoot this lady or want the cops to do it. There would be no question after the investigation.

It’s all, the whole day,  a giant tragedy that was all caused by one dude whose ego is too fragile to handle a loss. 

I think you are picking the wrong hill to die on here.  Have you seen the video.  The cop that shot her should have been punished as it was excessive force.  Was she stupid?  Yes.  But she did not deserve to die.  She was no threat to the multiple armed officers in front of her.

[seafoam1 2,799]

This whole selfie fest destroy the lives of good Americans ordeal created by the liberals proves the libs are Nazis at heart. Soon they will return their focus on burning down American cities like they did in 2020. 

They all need to be brought down and put in their place. Liberals are violent stupid focks. 

[thegeneral 2,895]

34 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

I think you are picking the wrong hill to die on here.  Have you seen the video.  The cop that shot her should have been punished as it was excessive force.  Was she stupid?  Yes.  But she did not deserve to die.  She was no threat to the multiple armed officers in front of her.

There were some other uniformed people in front of these doors that were getting smashed. They moved to the side then bolted. As soon as they did this woman then jumps into the window and gets shot. 

That she got shot was tragic, it was not this cop’s fault. She should not have been there, these people should not have been in the building, they should not have been smashing shet, people were yelling he has a gun. It blows my mind that people are calling him a murderer. 

[jerryskids 6,559]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Who was President of the United States when this happened? How long had he been in power? How many of his appointees were in charge of the agencies tasked to defend our nation?

Nobody on the right seems to want to seriously consider that question. Instead it’s all “the deep state hated him” instead of holding the boss and his political appointees responsible.

Global inflation goes up - it’s all Biden’s fault. A mob storms the Capitol 4 years into the previous guy’s term… and it’s NOT his fault? The buck stops at the Oval Office. If all the agencies were supposedly broken by that time, then we know exactly who is responsible for that happening, or allowing it to happen. Let’s see what happens on Jan 6, 2025. Regardless of who wins the 2024 election, I’m guessing we won’t have a repeat because we will have competent people in charge.

The incessant whining that everybody in the government hated Trump and that’s why things didn’t go his way? Nah. That’s just incompetence. A multi-millionaire president of the USA is not a victim. The fact that he constantly acted like one makes him a pu$$y, not a hero.

I concede that Trump did not have control over the FBI.  I'm not a Trump fan BTW, which hopefully you know by now.  Anyway, with that concession, I'll repeat my question since you accidentally ignored it:

So, your position is that the Feds had no idea what was happening that day?  That a bunch of bumpkins errr... the greatest terrorist threat in our nation's history planned to take over the country? (sorry, took me a while to type that in between laughs).

[thegeneral 2,895]

28 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

This whole selfie fest destroy the lives of good Americans ordeal created by the liberals proves the libs are Nazis at heart. Soon they will return their focus on burning down American cities like they did in 2020. 

They all need to be brought down and put in their place. Liberals are violent stupid focks. 

If these people were attacking your home you’d be crying like a little girl and calling for mommy

[seafoam1 2,799]

Just now, thegeneral said:

If these people were attacking your home you’d be crying like a little girl and calling for mommy

Open invitation for you to try pvssy. 

[thegeneral 2,895]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Open invitation for you to try pvssy. 

What would you do…shoot me?

[jonmx 2,424]

5 hours ago, thegeneral said:

If these people were attacking your home you’d be crying like a little girl and calling for mommy

I would be helping her get in and making sure she did not get hurt.  The people were not there to hurt anyone.  You guys have such an obscene double standards.  You are cheerleaders for white conservatives getting shot, but flip the script and you throw the book at people brandishing weapons as a mob storms through their neighborhood.  You really can't make up the absolute hate-filled bigotry at how differently you treat people based solely on their politics.  You can't describe how f-ing disgusted I am at what the left has become.  Nothing but budding Nazis.  Every single one of them. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

I would be helping her get in and making sure she did not get hurt.  The people were not there to hurt anyone.  You guys have such an obscene double standards.  You are cheerleaders for white conservatives getting shot, but flip the script and you throw the book at people brandishing weapons as a mob storms through their neighborhood.  You really can't make up the absolute hate-filled bigotry at how differently you treat people based solely on their politics.  You can't describe how f-ing disgusted I am at what the left has become.  Nothing but budding Nazis.  Every single one of them. 

This is the problem we face in a nutshell.

There are thousands of jonmx's out there today, consuming all this misinformation on line, becoming filled with hate, thinking the other side is the enemy, leading empty lives, just waiting to do something about it.  Ticking time bomb.

We need to stop this radicalization.

[jonmx 2,424]

47 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

This is the problem we face in a nutshell.

There are thousands of jonmx's out there today, consuming all this misinformation on line, becoming filled with hate, thinking the other side is the enemy, leading empty lives, just waiting to do something about it.  Ticking time bomb.

We need to stop this radicalization.

The problem is there are 100 million bootlickers out there who refuse to acknowledge the corruption and abuses going on.  A bunch of useful idiots who sheepishly buy into Orwellian terms like misinformation and conspiracy theories as an excuse for government censorship to hide the massive corruption which is stealing our freedoms and wealth.....go team!  Or should I say 'Sieg Heil' as your forefathers would say 

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[Engorgeous George 2,126]

14 hours ago, dogcows said:

Everything you “know” is obviously false. I bet you “know” the sky is yellow, the earth is flat, and the moon is made of cheese.

The milk to make it came from the Milky Way

[dogcows 1,030]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I concede that Trump did not have control over the FBI.  I'm not a Trump fan BTW, which hopefully you know by now.  Anyway, with that concession, I'll repeat my question since you accidentally ignored it:

So, your position is that the Feds had no idea what was happening that day?  That a bunch of bumpkins errr... the greatest terrorist threat in our nation's history planned to take over the country? (sorry, took me a while to type that in between laughs).

I never said the Feds didn’t know what was happening. I was simply pointing out that jonmx was (as usual) posting cuckoo theories about large numbers of undercover Feds and false flags. We know that various agencies knew what might be coming. But the executive branch was in such disarray that they couldn’t come up with a coordinated response. If they had coordinated, and shared what they knew, and had the will to do something… they would have deployed National Guard and DC police along with Capitol Police in force ahead of time. At the LEAST, it was a massive failure of the executive branch. But I believe the failure to stop the seditionists was intentional and came from the top. The fact that the administration waited hours to respond to the situation confirmed that belief for me.

You want to laugh about Jan 6? It isn’t funny in the slightest. Whether people are bumpkins or not, an angry mob is a very dangerous thing. 

[RLLD 4,143]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I never said the Feds didn’t know what was happening. I was simply pointing out that jonmx was (as usual) posting cuckoo theories about large numbers of undercover Feds and false flags. We know that various agencies knew what might be coming. But the executive branch was in such disarray that they couldn’t come up with a coordinated response. If they had coordinated, and shared what they knew, and had the will to do something… they would have deployed National Guard and DC police along with Capitol Police in force ahead of time. At the LEAST, it was a massive failure of the executive branch. But I believe the failure to stop the seditionists was intentional and came from the top. The fact that the administration waited hours to respond to the situation confirmed that belief for me.

You want to laugh about Jan 6? It isn’t funny in the slightest. Whether people are bumpkins or not, an angry mob is a very dangerous thing. 

The ONLY reason you are not ojecting in lock step is your political bias.  But, what happens when the machine turns its sights on you?  Careful with what you allow when it comes to govenment......

[jonmx 2,424]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I never said the Feds didn’t know what was happening. I was simply pointing out that jonmx was (as usual) posting cuckoo theories about large numbers of undercover Feds and false flags. We know that various agencies knew what might be coming. But the executive branch was in such disarray that they couldn’t come up with a coordinated response. If they had coordinated, and shared what they knew, and had the will to do something… they would have deployed National Guard and DC police along with Capitol Police in force ahead of time. At the LEAST, it was a massive failure of the executive branch. But I believe the failure to stop the seditionists was intentional and came from the top. The fact that the administration waited hours to respond to the situation confirmed that belief for me.

You want to laugh about Jan 6? It isn’t funny in the slightest. Whether people are bumpkins or not, an angry mob is a very dangerous thing. 

Trump offered the national guard.  Pelosi and Congress are in charge of security at the Capitol.   

[dogcows 1,030]

38 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Trump offered the national guard.  Pelosi and Congress are in charge of security at the Capitol.   

Why do you insist on continuing your record of being wrong?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

So Trump didn’t issue an order he can’t give. So who didn’t order in the national guard? 

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So Trump didn’t issue an order he can’t give. So who didn’t order in the national guard? 

The point is that we have to double check every claim you and other conservatives make, and that goes triple for conspiracy nuts like @Jon_mx. You get so much of your information from right wing sources which lie to you constantly, and so much of it is bullsh!t. 

[dogcows 1,030]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The point is that we have to double check every claim you and other conservatives make, and that goes triple for conspiracy nuts like @Jon_mx. You get so much of your information from right wing sources which lie to you constantly, and so much of it is bullsh!t. 

Tardcore doesn’t understand how the chain of command works… nor what the law is.

Look up the Insurrection Act. It empowers the president to activate the NG for things such as…. insurrections! The pertinent text: “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” Eisenhower, Kennedy, and even Reagan used this power. But the MAGA true believers are saying Trump wasn’t allowed to? LOL

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

17 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Tardcore doesn’t understand how the chain of command works… nor what the law is.

Look up the Insurrection Act. It empowers the president to activate the NG for things such as…. insurrections! The pertinent text: “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” Eisenhower, Kennedy, and even Reagan used this power. But the MAGA true believers are saying Trump wasn’t allowed to? LOL

How the hell is that relevant?  He could only employ them AFTER. He’s not employing them for a mostly peaceful protest of killing over thug Floyd he’s not employing them for a peaceful protest at the capitol

if he did you dumbasses would say he’s being an authoritarian hitler 

[thegeneral 2,895]

4 hours ago, jonmx said:

I would be helping her get in and making sure she did not get hurt.  The people were not there to hurt anyone.  You guys have such an obscene double standards.  You are cheerleaders for white conservatives getting shot, but flip the script and you throw the book at people brandishing weapons as a mob storms through their neighborhood.  You really can't make up the absolute hate-filled bigotry at how differently you treat people based solely on their politics.  You can't describe how f-ing disgusted I am at what the left has become.  Nothing but budding Nazis.  Every single one of them. 

The people were not there to hurt anyone. Oh ok. Budding Nazis

I wouldn’t cheerlead anyone getting killed. I feel sorry for this woman, she had become unhinged and had become wrapped up in Qanon and Trump craziness. 

Here’s some standards. Cop putting knee on neck for 10 minutes of handcuffed person = not justified. Cop shooting person who is part of angry mod crawling through window that was just broken during riot situation = justified. Both are tragic but that’s how I would rule if I were on a jury or whatever. 
 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

The people were not there to hurt anyone. Oh ok. Budding Nazis

I wouldn’t cheerlead anyone getting killed. I feel sorry for this woman, she had become unhinged and had become wrapped up in Qanon and Trump craziness. 

Here’s some standards. Cop putting knee on neck for 10 minutes of handcuffed person = not justified. Cop shooting person who is part of angry mod crawling through window that was just broken during riot situation = justified. Both are tragic but that’s how I would rule if I were on a jury or whatever. 
 

No cop put a knee on anyones neck for 10 mins 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

24 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Tardcore doesn’t understand how the chain of command works… nor what the law is.

Look up the Insurrection Act. It empowers the president to activate the NG for things such as…. insurrections! The pertinent text: “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” Eisenhower, Kennedy, and even Reagan used this power. But the MAGA true believers are saying Trump wasn’t allowed to? LOL

Sure thing DC. But you know, the insurrection act can only be invoked in the case of an insurrection.  That hadn’t happened yet. But I won’t call you a retard or nothing. But good job.  Lol. 

[thegeneral 2,895]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

No cop put a knee on anyones neck for 10 mins 

Let’s hear your versions of these events.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Let’s hear your versions of these events.

his knee was on his back/shoulder dude was on a speed ball and overdosed, they needed a scape goat to start rioting and they got it

you keep celebrating saint george

[thegeneral 2,895]

9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

his knee was on his back/shoulder dude was on a speed ball and overdosed, they needed a scape goat to start rioting and they got it

you keep celebrating saint george

Wow. Ok. 

What about Ashley Babbitt?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Wow. Ok. 

What about Ashley Babbitt?

what about her, she f'd around and found out, cop still should have been charged, not heralded as a hero

neither cop did their job correctly

[jerryskids 6,559]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I never said the Feds didn’t know what was happening. I was simply pointing out that jonmx was (as usual) posting cuckoo theories about large numbers of undercover Feds and false flags. We know that various agencies knew what might be coming. But the executive branch was in such disarray that they couldn’t come up with a coordinated response. If they had coordinated, and shared what they knew, and had the will to do something… they would have deployed National Guard and DC police along with Capitol Police in force ahead of time. At the LEAST, it was a massive failure of the executive branch. But I believe the failure to stop the seditionists was intentional and came from the top. The fact that the administration waited hours to respond to the situation confirmed that belief for me.

You want to laugh about Jan 6? It isn’t funny in the slightest. Whether people are bumpkins or not, an angry mob is a very dangerous thing. 

So the Feds knew what was happening but did nothing to prepare, prevent, or stop it because they didn't have a direct, personal order from the POTUS?  Is that your understanding of how chain of command works?  Nobody in the chain does anything until the CEO tells them exactly what to do?

[RogerDodger 797]

32 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Wow. Ok. 

What about Ashley Babbitt?

Surprised you're back for more after the beating you took last night.  

[thegeneral 2,895]

18 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Surprised you're back for more after the beating you took last night.  

I do find world the geek club lives in interesting. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Tardcore doesn’t understand how the chain of command works… nor what the law is.

Look up the Insurrection Act. It empowers the president to activate the NG for things such as…. insurrections! The pertinent text: “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” Eisenhower, Kennedy, and even Reagan used this power. But the MAGA true believers are saying Trump wasn’t allowed to? LOL

I’m sorry DC, after reading this again, I’m forced to call you a retard. 

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Why do you insist on continuing your record of being wrong?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

That is cute how you ignore what I said and disproved something entirely different.  Here are the facts.  Trump told the Pentagon 10,000 national guard troops would be needed.  The Pentagon did not believe Trump's crowd estimates and they rejected it.  Then the Capitol Police asked Pelosi to put in a request for national guard support and she thought the optics would look bad so did not put in the request.   This was not Trump's failure.