Ukraine - Doomsday

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

https://ritholtz.com/2019/01/media-bias-chart-4-0/

this was from the indigogo campaign

maybe it has evolved but this picture was clipped right from it

 

Yeah the chart is far different now and far more nuanced. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,369]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Yeah the chart is far different now and far more nuanced. 

maybe so, but it presents its initial bias

 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

On 3/24/2022 at 10:56 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why do you say I worship Putin? That’s right, it’s the liberal talking point. Carry on   

Yup, if you question the Ukraine or US policy you are a Putin supporter. 

if you are against vaccine mandates you are an anti Vaxer.

If you are for the border wall you are a racist or xenophobe.

If you are against trans women in female sports you have transphobia.

etc.

etc.

etc.

It is what you do when you can’t or won’t discuss a topic by the facts. In general it is used when someone does not understand the topic being discussed or has no defense to what is being presented.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Yup, if you question the Ukraine or US policy you are a Putin supporter. 

if you are against vaccine mandates you are an anti Vaxer.

If you are for the border wall you are a racist or xenophobe.

If you are against trans women in female sports you have transphobia.

etc.

etc.

etc.

It is what you do when you can’t or won’t discuss a topic by the facts. In general it is used when someone does not understand the topic being discussed or has no defense to what is being presented.

 

If you have a different point of view from the majority of posters here then you're a liberal.

Want to have a discussion about children dancing and you're a pedophile.

So any sympathy to others that are not liked here and you're a soy boy beta cuck.

Supporting someone's right to be transgender and you're mentally ill or gay.

etc.

etc.

etc.

When will more people start to see how similar they all are?  You just have a different opinion on the topic.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A small excursion into Ukraine is ok. 

Well, since we're on verbal blunders

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topic, here are some Clownzo doozies!

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/26/10-of-trumps-most-embarrassing-gaffes_partner/

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1. Clownzo confused 9/11 with the convenience store '7/11'

During his 2016 campaign, Clownzo confused the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks with the convenience store chain 7/11. Instead of describing al-Qaeda's attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as 9/11, then-candidate Clownzo referred to them as "7/11."

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2. Clownzo confused Dayton and Toledo after a mass shooting in Ohio

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3. Clownzo demands investigation of the 'oranges' of Robert Mueller's probe

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4. Clownzo claimed there would be 'one million eight hundred and seventy thousand million tests' for coronavirus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-embarrasing-gaffes-speeches-twitter-a9659916.html

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5. During a speech at a Whirlpool factory in Ohio, the president managed to get the name of an entire country wrong. No small feat, even for a man who once spelt his own wife’s name incorrectly. Clownzo referred to a place called “Thighland”, when complaining about US corporations moving jobs abroad.

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6. Spelling his own wife’s name incorrectly.

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7. Virgin Islands president.

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8. Covfefe

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9. Unpresidented vs unprecedented

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10. Spanish Flu and the World War II

[Baker Boy 1,704]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If you have a different point of view from the majority of posters here then you're a liberal.

Want to have a discussion about children dancing and you're a pedophile.

So any sympathy to others that are not liked here and you're a soy boy beta cuck.

Supporting someone's right to be transgender and you're mentally ill or gay.

etc.

etc.

etc.

When will more people start to see how similar they all are?  You just have a different opinion on the topic.

I was not referring to this board, I was referring to the national attack to these situations. Big difference.

it is interesting that you think being called a liberal is somehow an attack on your character. I m proud to be a conservative.

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I was not referring to this board, I was referring to the national attack to these situations. Big difference.

It still works for people outside of this board too.  It's not all that different.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It still works for people outside of this board too.  It's not all that different.

Your examples are not used at the nation level. My examples are used by the MSM, the DNC, and the entertainment industry. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I was not referring to this board, I was referring to the national attack to these situations. Big difference.

it is interesting that you think being called a liberal is somehow an attack on your character. I m proud to be a conservative.

The problem is calling someone a liberal when they are even a millimeter left of yourself, which is what so many of the clowns here do on a daily basis. The slap the "liberal" label on centrists and moderate conservatives such as myself. You're liberal if you're not jerking of to Tucker Carlson every night, demonizing mainstream media and masturbating your beliefs set with heavily opinionated and facts-free blogs and infotainment sources.

It makes for great amusement around here, though. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

The problem is calling someone a liberal when they are even a millimeter left of yourself, which is what so many of the clowns here do on a daily basis. The slap the "liberal" label on centrists and moderate conservatives such as myself. You're liberal if you're not jerking of to Tucker Carlson every night, demonizing mainstream media and masturbating your beliefs set with heavily opinionated and facts-free blogs and infotainment sources.

It makes for great amusement around here, though. 

You are not a moderate conservative but you may be a moderate liberal.
I do not watch Tucker Carlson and no one has ever accused me of being a liberal.

BTW: Everyone on this board is to the left of me but I do not consider them all liberals.

[Utilit99 4,099]

14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

The problem is calling someone a liberal when they are even a millimeter left of yourself, which is what so many of the clowns here do on a daily basis. The slap the "liberal" label on centrists and moderate conservatives such as myself. You're liberal if you're not jerking of to Tucker Carlson every night, demonizing mainstream media and masturbating your beliefs set with heavily opinionated and facts-free blogs and infotainment sources.

It makes for great amusement around here, though. 

 What an idiot. You don't even know your own political affiliation. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

26 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

You are not a moderate conservative but you may be a moderate liberal.
I do not watch Tucker Carlson and no one has ever accused me of being a liberal.

BTW: Everyone on this board is to the left of me but I do not consider them all liberals.

I tip to the left on certain social issues and heavily to the right on small government, bad-assed military, immigration, taxes, business and energy. 

The only time I voted against a Republican presidential candidate was when Clownzo came along, and he proved to be far worse than I imagined he would be. 

That doesn't make me liberal. I've loathed the guy for decades, and he has very little in the way of redeeming qualities. The only chance I'd vote for him if Putin somehow was running on the Democratic ticket.

Clownzo would have botched this Ukrainian situation beyond all recognition.

I don't like Biden. He's a doddering old man, but I got to hand it to him in regard to handling the Ukraine situation. He has kept his pimp hand strong and not caved to these hawkish alt-righties who are wanting us to engage in direct contact with the Russians. That's a very bad idea.

As long as we keep feeding Stingers and Javelins to the Ukers and piling on the sanctions, Russia is going to crumble at some point.

I would like to see the Ukers get some more jets. Not sure how to make that happen.

 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I tip to the left on certain social issues and heavily to the right on small government, bad-assed military, immigration, taxes, business and energy. 

The only time I voted against a Republican presidential candidate was when Clownzo came along, and he proved to be far worse than I imagined he would be. 

That doesn't make me liberal. I've loathed the guy for decades, and he has very little in the way of redeeming qualities. The only chance I'd vote for him if Putin somehow was running on the Democratic ticket.

Clownzo would have botched this Ukrainian situation beyond all recognition.

I don't like Biden. He's a doddering old man, but I got to hand it to him in regard to handling the Ukraine situation. He has kept his pimp hand strong and not caved to these hawkish alt-righties who are wanting us to engage in direct contact with the Russians. That's a very bad idea.

As long as we keep feeding Stingers and Javelins to the Ukers and piling on the sanctions, Russia is going to crumble at some point.

I would like to see the Ukers get some more jets. Not sure how to make that happen.

 

Look at that, you say you stand for everything that Trump stood for but voted for someone that believed the opposite. 

 

BTW: If Trump were President The Russian invasion of Ukraine would never have happened. The Biden Administration created this disaster, in their obsessive desire to undo everything Trump did, and have the blood of tens of thousands people are on their hands.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Look at that, you say you stand for everything that Trump stood for but voted for someone that believed the opposite. 

 

BTW: If Trump were President The Russian invasion of Ukraine would never have happened. The Biden Administration created this disaster, in their obsessive desire to undo everything Trump did, and have the blood of tens of thousands people are on their hands.

I've yet to see any ultra conservative offer a reasonable explanation on why Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office. What exactly did Biden do that would have prompted Russia to invade Ukraine?

What I have read from multiple sources is that it either was simple timing or that Trump was soft on Russia, which was getting everything it wanted, with the prospect of the United States pulling out of NATO.

It was for all the wrong reasons that Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office. It was pretty obvious that the invasion was going to happen, as evidenced by Russia's moves on Chechnya, Crimea and Georgia. Putin is an old-school KGB guy who wants to re-assemble the Soviet Union as best he can, but he has found his comeuppance in Ukraine and the world's response.

[GobbleDog 998]

16 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

BTW: If Trump were President The Russian invasion of Ukraine would never have happened. The Biden Administration created this disaster, in their obsessive desire to undo everything Trump did, and have the blood of tens of thousands people are on their hands.

I voted for Trump and think very low of Biden, but I don't believe it would've matter who was in office. Putin didn't expect any push back from the west or the international community. Just like he got away with bombing civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, Aleppo, and Crimea. Not to mention assassinations of political opponents and reporters that occurred in and out of Russia. He's never been taken to task for anything, why would he expect Ukraine to be any different?

[wiffleball 4,790]

Just read an article that up to 60% of Russia's missiles either fail the launch or don't explode on impact. Moreover, the ukrainians Apparently captured one of Russia's most sophisticated electronic warfare trucks.

 

It's just a guess, but I have a feeling North Korea and China have similar issues. Yeah they can weild a vast Army, but when push comes to shove, most of this stuff is crap. Because the workers get paid crap. They're treated like crap and they're incentivized to do things as fast as possible.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

51 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I've yet to see any ultra conservative offer a reasonable explanation on why Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office. What exactly did Biden do that would have prompted Russia to invade Ukraine?

What I have read from multiple sources is that it either was simple timing or that Trump was soft on Russia, which was getting everything it wanted, with the prospect of the United States pulling out of NATO.

It was for all the wrong reasons that Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office. It was pretty obvious that the invasion was going to happen, as evidenced by Russia's moves on Chechnya, Crimea and Georgia. Putin is an old-school KGB guy who wants to re-assemble the Soviet Union as best he can, but he has found his comeuppance in Ukraine and the world's response.

Yup...the only reason can seemingly decide Putin wouldn't have invaded while Trump was president boils down to hero worship. I mean are we really to believe that Putin would have decided to not jump into Ukraine right now based off of who the President was. If he was going to try to take Ukraine he was going to do it. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yup...the only reason can seemingly decide Putin wouldn't have invaded while Trump was president boils down to hero worship. I mean are we really to believe that Putin would have decided to not jump into Ukraine right now based off of who the President was. If he was going to try to take Ukraine he was going to do it. 

History speaks for itself. Don’t be afraid to see what you see.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

History speaks for itself. Don’t be afraid to see what you see.

So Putin would've waited 4 years (at least) to claim Ukraine? 

[Nomad99 762]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Supporting someone's right to be transgender and you're mentally ill or gay.

 

Or don't believe in science when it doesn't support your agenda........

[wiffleball 4,790]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yup...the only reason can seemingly decide Putin wouldn't have invaded while Trump was president boils down to hero worship. I mean are we really to believe that Putin would have decided to not jump into Ukraine right now based off of who the President was. If he was going to try to take Ukraine he was going to do it. 

This is already been explained. Putin was watching as Trump was well on his way to pulling out of nato. Which would have killed NATO. Which Putin absolutely wants to see happen. Trump was actively trying to get out of NATO in 2018. He promised to do so in 2016 when he was running., No way could Trump pull out of nato. If Trump got a second term, damn sure he would have gotten out of nato. But he didn't, and this is Putin's second option.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

17 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

This is already been explained. Putin was watching as Trump was well on his way to pulling out of nato. Which would have killed NATO. Which Putin absolutely wants to see happen. Trump was actively trying to get out of NATO in 2018. He promised to do so in 2016 when he was running., No way could Trump pull out of nato. If Trump got a second term, damn sure he would have gotten out of nato. But he didn't, and this is Putin's second option.

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Hillary Clinton went too far when she claimed that Donald Trump said “we should pull out of NATO.” Trump has said that he would “certainly look at” pulling the United States out of the international security alliance, because it is “obsolete” and “is costing us a fortune.” But the Clinton campaign provided nothing indicating that Trump advocates pulling out now.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/whats-trumps-position-on-nato/
 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

 

[fandandy 3,313]

2 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

 

And, you disagree with this somehow?

Why are they our responsibility?

[fandandy 3,313]

North Macedonia

You are not going to be called up to fight there so it is easy to have an opinion.  The kids in the United States military though, they might, and you watching the 6:30 news may get it in your head that it's necessary for OUR security.

Explain that to me.

Why is defending North Macedonia against Russia in our interest?

[wiffleball 4,790]

1 minute ago, fandandy said:

And, you disagree with this somehow?

Why are they our responsibility?

That's really not the conversation. The conversation is why Putin didn't invade Ukraine under the last administration. The above is the best analysis that I've heard so far. Putin's not stupid. He saw a much larger prize potentially happening.  Pretty damn sure that Trump would have pulled out of NATO in his second term. Those secret conversations that Trump and Putin had don't do him any favors either.

[fandandy 3,313]

32 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

That's really not the conversation. The conversation is why Putin didn't invade Ukraine under the last administration. The above is the best analysis that I've heard so far. Putin's not stupid. He saw a much larger prize potentially happening.  Pretty damn sure that Trump would have pulled out of NATO in his second term. Those secret conversations that Trump and Putin had don't do him any favors either.

What do you see being gained by NATO moving east and antagonizing Russia?

[fandandy 3,313]

The dissolution of that nation?  Them coming to heel?  What is it in your mind that you want and expect?

[fandandy 3,313]

Is it a one-world western style government?

[fandandy 3,313]

A global currency?

[fandandy 3,313]

We are moving east, intentionally.  Have been for decades.  What do you expect their reaction to be?

Submitting?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

maybe so, but it presents its initial bias

 

That assumes though that people can't change and recalibrate themselves.....they can. 

[fandandy 3,313]

Of course, they are going to fight, you fools.  And what will we gain?  What do you guys want?  This is the part I don't understand.  What outcome do you guys want or expect?

[fandandy 3,313]

This is why I am saying that this is not US, it is THEM.  And they DO have reasons.  But we are not in their mix.  They do not give a damn about us.  They want complete control, globally.  If you can't see this I think you are an idiot.

[fandandy 3,313]

It's like when Gaddafi wanted the gold Dinar or when Hussein dumped the dollar and began trading in other currencies.  Those in power want control and come hell or high water they will get their way no matter how many people need to die.

[fandandy 3,313]

And you idiots eat it up.  Because you are stoopid.

Fact

[Utilit99 4,099]

Trump didn't allow Putin to fock around on his watch. So Putin sat back until he got what he wanted all along. A guy like that weak-assed creepy joe in the White House. Then he put things in motion. 

creepy joe is a mess and liberals on this site only want to whine about a person who was an actual leader on the world stage. 

Insanity.   

[fandandy 3,313]

And some here think this is smart?  It will end well?  Seriously?

Before you open the link, I just want to say, fock you.  I hate you for being an idiot and supporting this insanity as if listening to NPR makes you intelligent somehow.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/26/poland-joe-biden-demands-vladimir-putin-removed-power/

 

 

[fandandy 3,313]

So, we surround Russia, literally and intentionally, they react, then we basically ask for WW3.  That seems like a brilliant plan.

[fandandy 3,313]

If you can't see the stupidity in this I do not know what to tell you.