Failure of the public education system

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok, what am I lying about? Let’s hear it. 

It'd be shorter to give you a list of things you haven't lied about on here. Here is the list:

 

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Would you ask a teacher that went to that conference to teach your kids? 

Yes. If they started talking to my kid about dildos up the butt we'd be having a very angry one sided conversation however. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

On the Mazzoni Center conference thing:

1.) If this conference happened in a school with these people saying these things I'd be 100% in the camp of "No way is this cool." And I'd voice my displeasure to admin and whomever else would listen. Being that it happened at a conference off school grounds it is slightly more acceptable. 

2.) Were there actual students at this conference? If there weren't and it was solely adults I would imagine (and hope) the discourse would be a little less frank if they were talking to adolescents. If they would talk the same way than they are completely tone deaf.

3.) Just because they talk like this at a conference it does not mean this is the tact they are taking in helping schools develop LGBTQ policies in the same way people don't talk the same way in the office that they do at home.

4.) How many teachers actually attended the event? 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

See you have no answers to these questions. This is what the current political climate and news cycle feasts on. They present stories that are stripped of any context and all circumstances because it angers up the blood and then they move on.

You- and your other dopey ilk on here- like to rail about "MSM" and all that but you are as much the problem. You just slurp up whatever is thrown at you as long as it fits your narrow world view. It's okay to read a story and say "I need to know more before I decide if this is something to be outraged over and to what degree to be outraged."

But yeah- it's easier to just be a pissy pants baby

Also, I bet that emoji was a face shown in a session at the conference- so maybe you were there? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

See you have no answers to these questions. This is what the current political climate and news cycle feasts on. They present stories that are stripped of any context and all circumstances because it angers up the blood and then they move on.

You- and your other dopey ilk on here- like to rail about "MSM" and all that but you are as much the problem. You just slurp up whatever is thrown at you as long as it fits your narrow world view. It's okay to read a story and say "I need to know more before I decide if this is something to be outraged over and to what degree to be outraged."

But yeah- it's easier to just be a pissy pants baby

Also, I bet that emoji was a face shown in a session at the conference- so maybe you were there? 

You’re right Sean. As long as it was not at the school. And if some cops go to a klan meeting out in the woods, thats cool too. As long as it’s not at the station house. 

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re right Sean. As long as it was not at the school. And if some cops go to a klan meeting out in the woods, thats cool too. As long as it’s not at the station house. 

Of course that's what you focused on. It was the first thing I said and I said "slightly more acceptable." I'm at least mildly impressed you read to the end of the third sentence. That's progress for you

And yes a cop going to a klan meeting in the woods is slightly more acceptable because they are doing it on their personal time. Are you wanting to dictate what people do on their personal time now? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Of course that's what you focused on. It was the first thing I said and I said "slightly more acceptable." I'm at least mildly impressed you read to the end of the third sentence. That's progress for you

And yes a cop going to a klan meeting in the woods is slightly more acceptable because they are doing it on their personal time. Are you wanting to dictate what people do on their personal time now? 

Yes. I don’t want cops going to klan meetings ever. They should be fired if they do.  And they would be. 

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. I don’t want cops going to klan meetings ever. They should be fired if they do.  And they would be. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

mooney groomie....

[Fireballer 2,639]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

On the Mazzoni Center conference thing:

1.) If this conference happened in a school with these people saying these things I'd be 100% in the camp of "No way is this cool." And I'd voice my displeasure to admin and whomever else would listen. Being that it happened at a conference off school grounds it is slightly more acceptable. 

2.) Were there actual students at this conference? If there weren't and it was solely adults I would imagine (and hope) the discourse would be a little less frank if they were talking to adolescents. If they would talk the same way than they are completely tone deaf.

3.) Just because they talk like this at a conference it does not mean this is the tact they are taking in helping schools develop LGBTQ policies in the same way people don't talk the same way in the office that they do at home.

4.) How many teachers actually attended the event? 

 

So what is the point of an employer inviting City employees, through city email, to this event?

[Fireballer 2,639]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

 Are you wanting to dictate what people do on their personal time now? 

As a public servant yourself, I would assume you know that there is a myriad of things that we cannot do on our off time without facing discipline/termination. Even if completely legal.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

As a public servant yourself, I would assume you know that there is a myriad of things that we cannot do on our off time without facing discipline/termination. Even if completely legal.  

Yeah, I’m starting to have my doubts…..

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

As a public servant yourself, I would assume you know that there is a myriad of things that we cannot do on our off time without facing discipline/termination. Even if completely legal.  

Depends on who you vote for I guess. 

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

As a public servant yourself, I would assume you know that there is a myriad of things that we cannot do on our off time without facing discipline/termination. Even if completely legal.  

I thought it was obvious from my response but I guess it wasn't (my fault), I'm okay with it. Would a police officer face possible discipline- sure. Would the police officer's union make the case that it was on personal time- sure. What it comes down to is just being intelligent about what you do. That is why I also asked- how many teachers actually attended the event. Like yes apparently an e-mail was sent encouraging attendance- which raises some questions if true- but if no teachers attended than the problem is not the teachers in this instance.

 

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

So what is the point of an employer inviting City employees, through city email, to this event?

This would be a pertinent question to find an answer to before freaking out as well. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I thought it was obvious from my response but I guess it wasn't (my fault), I'm okay with it. Would a police officer face possible discipline- sure. Would the police officer's union make the case that it was on personal time- sure. What it comes down to is just being intelligent about what you do. That is why I also asked- how many teachers actually attended the event. Like yes apparently an e-mail was sent encouraging attendance- which raises some questions if true- but if no teachers attended than the problem is not the teachers in this instance.

 

This would be a pertinent question to find an answer to before freaking out as well. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

19 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This would be a pertinent question to find an answer to before freaking out as well. 

Again, this is just where we differ in opinions on personal conduct.  Given your answer, I can only assume that you think there could be a valid reason for teachers to be invited, by their employer, to a conference like this.  There's absolutely zero reason to justify this event.  It's totally unacceptable.  Even if zero teachers attended, the fact that someone in a leadership position thought this was OK, is just astounding.  

[DonS 3,292]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Again, this is just where we differ in opinions on personal conduct.  Given your answer, I can only assume that you think there could be a valid reason for teachers to be invited, by their employer, to a conference like this.  There's absolutely zero reason to justify this event.  It's totally unacceptable.  Even if zero teachers attended, the fact that someone in a leadership position thought this was OK, is just astounding.  

To be fair they had to make a tough decision as the NAMBLA Conference was also on the same day. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

There isn’t a police union around that would defend cops for being in the Klan. You would have to go way back when to find anything like that. Nice try Mooney. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

13 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Again, this is just where we differ in opinions on personal conduct.  Given your answer, I can only assume that you think there could be a valid reason for teachers to be invited, by their employer, to a conference like this.  There's absolutely zero reason to justify this event.  It's totally unacceptable.  Even if zero teachers attended, the fact that someone in a leadership position thought this was OK, is just astounding.  

From what I've read it looks like the school district sent the email out to teachers to see if they would be interested in learning more about the trans culture to be better prepared on how to handle students who may be transgender or involved in that culture.  I don't see it being as big of deal as some of you are making.

[Fireballer 2,639]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read it looks like the school district sent the email out to teachers to see if they would be interested in learning more about the trans culture to be better prepared on how to handle students who may be transgender or involved in that culture.  I don't see it being as big of deal as some of you are making.

You're right. The Philadelphia schools director of teacher leadership sits on the Board of Directors for the Mazzoni Center that put this on.  It must have been just some miscommunication about the content. No big deal.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

You're right. The Philadelphia schools director of teacher leadership sits on the Board of Directors for the Mazzoni Center that put this on.  It must have been just some miscommunication about the content. No big deal.

I didn't know they were on the board of the center.  Why do you still think that is a big deal though?  Teachers were not required to go.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

A trip to Chipotle for lunch today.  

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A trip to Chipotle for lunch today.  

What did you order?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

1 minute ago, Cloaca du jour said:

What did you order?

 Not me.  A bunch of students and their teacher. A sub had to cover the other classes while they were out. Hey, I just pay the bills around here. I should pipe down. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Not me.  A bunch of students and their teacher. A sub had to cover the other classes while they were out. Hey, I just pay the bills around here. I should pipe down. 

Yes..my kids when to a french opera when they were in French class.  

What would be your end of the year curriculum be? 

Lemme guess...

The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

9 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Yes..my kids when to a french opera when they were in French class.  

What would be your end of the year curriculum be? 

Lemme guess...

The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!

End of year? There’s more than a month left. The French thing would be fine. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

End of year? There’s more than a month left. The French thing would be fine. 

They still have more than a month left?  Next week is the final week for my kids.  Today is game day for my daughter.  Tuesday they went on a field trip to a nature center that also has a trout stream.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

They still have more than a month left?  Next week is the final week for my kids.  Today is game day for my daughter.  Tuesday they went on a field trip to a nature center that also has a trout stream.

June 23. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

June 23. 

When do they start the school year then?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

When do they start the school year then?

Wednesday after Labor Day. No winter break, whoever wanted a longer summer I guess. Makes poor economic sense. Closing the schools for a week in the winter would save money. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

End of year? There’s more than a month left. The French thing would be fine. 

Our schools have 7 days..next week plus 2 after memorial day.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

2 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Our schools have 7 days..next week plus 2 after memorial day.

Industrial vs Agricultural I guess. A left over. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Our schools have 7 days..next week plus 2 after memorial day.

Are those 2 after memorial day make up days?

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Industrial vs Agricultural I guess. A left over. 

When do you start?  We start last week of august

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are those 2 after memorial day make up days?

Might as well be,  grades are done the friday before...it is a joke.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

32 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

When do you start?  We start last week of august

2 days after Labor Day. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

2 days after Labor Day. 

There ya go

[posty 2,613]

14 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

You can't even tell the truth here?

Put them on ignore...  Of course you will still see their crap posted if someone quotes them, but most of the time, it is so much nicer...

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

There isn’t a police union around that would defend cops for being in the Klan. You would have to go way back when to find anything like that. Nice try Mooney. 

Now you are a police union expert? 

56 minutes ago, posty said:

Put them on ignore...  Of course you will still see their crap posted if someone quotes them, but most of the time, it is so much nicer...

I basically just quietly ignore utilit99's nonsense. It's funnier to see him trying to get a reaction out of me and instead getting nothing. He tries so hard too. HT just is like reading a less coherent Larry King at this point. i'm still mildly amused by it. 

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Again, this is just where we differ in opinions on personal conduct.  Given your answer, I can only assume that you think there could be a valid reason for teachers to be invited, by their employer, to a conference like this.  There's absolutely zero reason to justify this event.  It's totally unacceptable.  Even if zero teachers attended, the fact that someone in a leadership position thought this was OK, is just astounding.  

I'm saying that the district invited the teachers to go and learn more about the trans community knowing that the discussion was going to be way more than what would ever be discussed with students. They are adults after all. Either way- I wouldn't have gone and I would've side eyed the whole thing like crazy. 

And the reason people in leadership positions invited this is because whether you like it or not, whether you understand it or not- LGBTQ kids exist and you have to know how to be aware of them and how to engage with them so you aren't bringing undue lawsuits unto yourself or the district. It is simple CYA stuff- which is a large portion of education anymore

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

Like I said , no police union would defend a cop in the klan. Or this garbage. 

[DonS 3,292]

You guys aren't discussing the most troublesome quote regarding that conference. 

“It’s a big boy, this is, like, gigantic. Alright, give me two hours alone and I’ll get this in my butt,” he said during another. 

How dare that person use gendered language when talking about d1ldos.  It should be refererred to as a big phallic shaped person.