If you were a parent of an NCAA girls swimming and diving contender.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

...and feminists should back them up.  But they won't.  As proof of how screwed up and cultist that the Democrat party is, feminists will support a fake woman over a real woman.

True, but they aren't feminists, but have tried to claim they are.  JK Rowling, a true feminist, has stood her ground against these people and she is kicking their asses.  Her twitter has been a 6 month fight on this issue. It is very interesting. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

True, but they aren't feminists, but have tried to claim they are.  JK Rowling, a true feminist, has stood her ground against these people and she is kicking their asses.  Her twitter has been a 6 month fight on this issue. It is very interesting. 

 

[jerryskids 7,082]

12 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Are these the people who are going to "ruin" the lives of these girls if they protest?

Transgender girls and women now barred from female sports in Iowa

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084278181/transgender-girls-and-women-now-barred-from-female-sports-in-iowa

 

And then this? 

 

 

And are these people's lives ruined? 

 

Teen runners sue to block trans athletes from girls' sports

The families of three female high school runners filed a federal lawsuit on Wednesday seeking to block transgender athletes in Connecticut from participating in girls’ sports.

Selina Soule, a senior at Glastonbury high school, Chelsea Mitchell, a senior at Canton high school, and Alanna Smith, a sophomore at Danbury high school, are represented by the conservative not-for-profit organization Alliance Defending Freedom. They argue that allowing trans athletes to compete has deprived them of track titles and scholarship opportunities.

“Mentally and physically, we know the outcome before the race even starts,” said Smith

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/13/transgender-athletes-girls-sports-high-school

 

 

 

And how about this. Are these the people who are going to ruin any girl's lives if they protest? 

 

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/olympian-erika-brown-we-cannot-allow-transgender-females-to-compete-against-biological-women/

Three weeks after the Lia Thomas controversy first emerged in the national spotlight, an active athlete has spoken out against the involvement of Thomas in women’s sports. Via her Instagram account, Erika Brown, a member of Team USA at the Olympic Games in Tokyo, expressed that biological women are at a disadvantage when racing against transgender women. At the end of her Instagram post, Brown said she hopes her willingness to speak out will lead to others speaking out as well.

“I want to share something that’s been on my heart regarding what is going on in USA Swimming at the moment. I believe that we are all God’s children and we are called to love one another. I don’t want to create any hate, only speak up for what is right.

“We cannot allow transgender females to compete against biological women. A biological male goes through male puberty. Even when she has transitioned, she still has the physiology of a male. A few years of testosterone blockers and estrogen doesn’t change the fact that she will have more powerful muscles, a larger heart and greater lung capacity (than) a biological woman.

We are talking about young HS and college girls being affected; you post about a law in Iowa, Caitlin Jenner, and an internationally established Olympic swimmer.  The only example remotely related is the two girls, and it doesn't talk about the effect.

Good job, good effort.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We are talking about young HS and college girls being affected; you post about a law in Iowa, Caitlin Jenner, and an internationally established Olympic swimmer.  The only example remotely related is the two girls, and it doesn't talk about the effect.

Good job, good effort.   

It's trickle down. They are not alone. But if they are your daughters, I'm sure they are going out into the world scared and will fall in when when told to by their masters. 

And how many parents are not supporting their daughters when they are getting beat by trannies? Other than you and mooney I mean.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We are talking about young HS and college girls being affected; you post about a law in Iowa, Caitlin Jenner, and an internationally established Olympic swimmer.  The only example remotely related is the two girls, and it doesn't talk about the effect.

Good job, good effort.   

3 Connecticut high school girls are suing over a policy that allows trans athletes to compete in girls' sports

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/us/transgender-athletes-connecticut-lawsuit/index.html

[jerryskids 7,082]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

It's trickle down. They are not alone. But if they are your daughters, I'm sure they are going out into the world scared and will fall in when when told to by their masters. 

I don't talk about peoples' families; wives, most of all kids.  So congrats, you win. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't talk about peoples' families; wives, most of all kids.  So congrats, you win. 

I'm talking about your stance on how YOU would raise them. This is hypothetical. I don't even know if you have kids. 

You keep losing and coming back for more. 

I'm sorry if you were so afraid of being who you wanted to be in college, or stand up for something that you were afraid that someone wouldn't think you were cool if you did so, but not everyone/was like you in high school and college. 

[jerryskids 7,082]

2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I'm talking about your stance on how YOU would raise them. This is hypothetical. I don't even know if you have kids. 

You keep losing and coming back for more. 

You lack the most basic of cognitive skills; if I'm losing it is because I'm dumb enough to keep engaging you on this.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You lack the most basic of cognitive skills; if I'm losing it is because I'm dumb enough to keep engaging you on this.   

No. You're losing because you would wimp out and tell your hypothetical daughter to accept 2nd place to a male. And tell her to shut her mouth about it because she may not be so popular if she says anything. Even though that alone is absurd.

[naomi 360]

This is a ridiculous cultural conflict. We've let ourselves go mad. Life has enough inherent difficulties and the human race is just throwing more bizarre ones onto the heap (in some places at least).

It's really sad for women who don't have enough cognitive dissonance to simply shrug and adjust. Women who don't feel a need to virtue signal. I want the generation that's most dealing with this to get past it soon. Snap and reject it.

It's obvious that "marginalized" groups who experience a phase of being praised for simply existing (women...back when the term had a definition, Blacks, etc.) are simply being used. They'll be discarded once the needed level of division (for the conquering) occurs.

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, naomi said:

This is a ridiculous cultural conflict.

It shouldn't even exist. 

[Voltaire 5,485]

10 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You have admitted to teaching your daughter to be content with being #2 because of a fear of being labeled a bigot.  All because she must give preference a man dressed as a woman.  And I am the incel. 

That's awesome, Timmy. You got both Sean and MDC to reflect on the point and both came around to seeing the sense in it (in fairness, not sure if MDC's position before this, but happy to see his post).

[Voltaire 5,485]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

We are talking about young HS and college girls being affected; you post about a law in Iowa, Caitlin Jenner, and an internationally established Olympic swimmer.  The only example remotely related is the two girls, and it doesn't talk about the effect.

Good job, good effort.   

Catitlyn is a trans "woman" who competed for, and won, an Olympic medal the way all trans "women" should win them. They're not being barred from competing, just from expecting everybody else to going along and playing pretend with them, up to the point of infringing on the rights of real girls/women.

[jerryskids 7,082]

27 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Catitlyn is a trans "woman" who competed for, and won, an Olympic medal the way all trans "women" should win them. They're not being barred from competing, just from expecting everybody else to going along and playing pretend with them, up to the point of infringing on the rights of real girls/women.

I 100% agree that they should not compete with actual females and have said so from the beginning; that is not the discussion.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I 100% agree that they should not compete with actual females and have said so from the beginning; that is not the discussion.  

That is what is being lost here as people try to just jam in their preconceived points. 

Save your breath

[Utilit99 4,099]

39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Catitlyn is a trans "woman" who competed for, and won, an Olympic medal the way all trans "women" should win them. They're not being barred from competing, just from expecting everybody else to going along and playing pretend with them, up to the point of infringing on the rights of real girls/women.

jerry's and mooney's point is that the parents should tell the daughters to cave in and not question it publicly. Because they think if they do fight back the kid's lives will be ruined. Literally "ruined". 

They teach their kids to follow the liberal agenda or if they don't follow it, the kids will suffer forever. 

Great parenting technique.  

 

[jerryskids 7,082]

29 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

jerry's and mooney's point is that the parents should tell the daughters to cave in and not question it publicly. Because they think if they do fight back the kid's lives will be ruined. Literally "ruined". 

They teach their kids to follow the liberal agenda or if they don't follow it, the kids will suffer forever. 

Great parenting technique.  

 

More accurately, I would discuss with her the pros and cons of the different courses of action and help her come to a decision that she is most comfortable with.  The best tasting shiot sandwich in this case, since there is no good solution. 

But that requires the ability to see multiple angles to a situation, which you've shown to have roughly zero point zero ability to do, given your entire body of work on this board.   

The vast majority have gone in a certain direction, and I presume most competitive swimmers (1) don't come from the hood so have involved parents, and (2) those parents have spent a lot of time and money on this sport and are emotionally tied to their daughters' successes.  So I don't suspect they come to their decisions lightly.

[MDC 7,881]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

That's awesome, Timmy. You got both Sean and MDC to reflect on the point and both came around to seeing the sense in it (in fairness, not sure if MDC's position before this, but happy to see his post).

My opinion has been consistent. I also think this topic and all tranny topics get WAY more mental headspace than they should. I live in one of the most liberal cities in the US and almost never see an obvious transgender person.

The left and right love this topic though. Once they figure out which public bathroom transgenders should poop in they can move onto the lesser issues, like healthcare, education and jobs.  

[Fireballer 2,677]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

My opinion has been consistent. I also think this topic and all tranny topics get WAY more mental headspace than they should. I live in one of the most liberal cities in the US and almost never see an obvious transgender person.

 

Why do you always go back to your anecdotal experience?  A literal dude with balls is beating the dog sh!t out of women in D1 women's swimming.  It's happening, no matter what you happen to see. Your boy Joe signed an EO his first day in office to allow this sh!t.

And "taking up headspace"?  Come on man, you think anyone wants to deal with this bulls!t?  Why don't you ask someone who has been fired or suspended for not using preferred pronouns if it just taking up "headspace".  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

More accurately, I would discuss with her the pros and cons of the different courses of action and help her come to a decision that she is most comfortable with.  The best tasting shiot sandwich in this case, since there is no good solution. 

But that requires the ability to see multiple angles to a situation, which you've shown to have roughly zero point zero ability to do, given your entire body of work on this board.   

The vast majority have gone in a certain direction, and I presume most competitive swimmers (1) don't come from the hood so have involved parents, and (2) those parents have spent a lot of time and money on this sport and are emotionally tied to their daughters' successes.  So I don't suspect they come to their decisions lightly.

Utilit99 has absolutely zero ability to critically think in any way. And he damn sure can not see that issues are complex with multiple angles because he just sees the world in a very black and white manner. It's why he just name calls people constantly and posts gifs and all that. He has nothing to say once the conversation evolves past his simplistic way of thinking. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

 

[MDC 7,881]

40 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Why do you always go back to your anecdotal experience?  A literal dude with balls is beating the dog sh!t out of women in D1 women's swimming.  It's happening, no matter what you happen to see. Your boy Joe signed an EO his first day in office to allow this sh!t.

And "taking up headspace"?  Come on man, you think anyone wants to deal with this bulls!t?  Why don't you ask someone who has been fired or suspended for not using preferred pronouns if it just taking up "headspace".  

Haha Tilt! They got you good!  

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Haha Tilt! They got you good!  

Can't answer the question? 

[Voltaire 5,485]

If any issue on the planet is clear cut, it's that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. That this is allowed to happen, and we're all supposed to shut up and not complain about it, instead cheer on the bravery of the men who are beating the tar out of the women, is the ultimate pinnacle of cultural stupidity.

Count me out.

[Utilit99 4,099]

48 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

If any issue on the planet is clear cut, it's that men shouldn't compete in women's sports. That this is allowed to happen, and we're all supposed to shut up and not complain about it, instead cheer on the bravery of the men who are beating the tar out of the women, is the ultimate pinnacle of cultural stupidity.

Count me out.

Fock. @jerryskids thinks that if you express that in real life scenarios your life will be ruined. I have a daughter who is 27 now and when we have been with others and discussed this topic, she agrees that men (trannies) shouldn't be allowed to compete in girls sports. She said it in front of family and friends. And everyone agreed and her life didn't get ruined. I've personally have said it to coworkers and guess what? My life didn't change a bit. Jerry would raise his kids to not express their views I guess. Not sure.

Then @Sean Mooney comes out and says it's a VERY COMPLEX issue. 

No, it isn't. Not for normals. It's easy peasy. Men shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports.

If there is anything complex about it, it's that the trannies need psychological help. But that has nothing to do with sports.

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

We are talking about young HS and college girls being affected; you post about a law in Iowa, Caitlin Jenner, and an internationally established Olympic swimmer.  The only example remotely related is the two girls, and it doesn't talk about the effect.

Good job, good effort.   

Yeah good job. Good effort.

Actually it's good to know people aren't as weak willed as YOU think they SHOULD be in your mind.

 

ATLANTA – Women’s rights protesters were furious after trans athlete Lia Thomas was dubbed a women's NCAA swimming champion on Thursday.

Thomas, 22, of the University of Pennsylvania, won the 500-yard freestyle at the NCAA women’s swimming and diving championships on Thursday, becoming the first transgender athlete to win an NCAA Division I championship in any sport. 

The UPenn athlete is also scheduled to swim in the 200-yard and 100-yard freestyle heats this weekend. 

"This is a male displacing women," Annabelle Rutledge, Concerned Women for America director, told Fox News. "The female who came in second today is the real winner." 

"Only women can win a women's swimming and diving championship," she continued.

LIA THOMAS PICKS UP VICTORY IN 500 FREE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP

Thomas beat Virginia Cavaliers freshman Emma Weyant by more than one second and Texas Longhorns freshman Erica Sullivan by at least two. Brooke Forde, who won a silver medal at the Summer Olympics in Tokyo last year, raced for the Stanford Cardinal and finished in fourth.

....

The groups protesting trans-athlete participation in women’s competitions said they received overwhelmingly positive feedback and encouragement from swimmers and parents attending the event. 

"Overwhelmingly, it has been gratitude from the female athletes walking out, as well as many parents and bystanders thanking us, high-fiving us," Rutledge said. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Oh, and wait til you see what happens after this.

The UPenn trans athlete is also scheduled to swim in the 200-yard and 100-yard freestyle heats this weekend

Who knows, maybe the tranny will learn something and decide to drop out of the competition. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Lia Thomas picks up victory in 500 free national championship

Thomas beat out top college swimmers and an Olympic silver medalist in the event

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I predict that Lia Thomas' victories will end the debate and the NCAA will reward 2nd place finishers with 1st place medals. 

[Voltaire 5,485]

5 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Fock. @jerryskids thinks that if you express that in real life scenarios your life will be ruined. I have a daughter who is 27 now and when we have been with others and discussed this topic, she agrees that men (trannies) shouldn't be allowed to compete in girls sports. She said it in front of family and friends. And everyone agreed and her life didn't get ruined. I've personally have said it to coworkers and guess what? My life didn't change a bit. Jerry would raise his kids to not express their views I guess. Not sure.

Then @Sean Mooney comes out and says it's a VERY COMPLEX issue. 

No, it isn't. Not for normals. It's easy peasy. Men shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports.

If there is anything complex about it, it's that the trannies need psychological help. But that has nothing to do with sports.

Jerry has discussed his daughters in the past. A few weeks after he did, I'd made comments on what he'd said in a different thread, but it rubbed him the wrong way. I don't want to go there again until and unless he brings them up himself.

I do think that the cultural issue is the battle that needs to be fought. The LGBTQ agenda, together with various 1619 Project/ soft on crime/ anti-police / black grievance/ enflamed racism bullsh*t that you mentioned in another thread. and I commented on a few minutes ago. are where its at. They pump these two topics into us not just in schools but also beat us over the head with them in the media, Hollywood, and utilize Big Tech censorship and cancel culture going after our kids and our jobs. The 'correct' position to take in polite, educated society is to fully embrace far leftoid cancerous talking points. We're on the defense.

To me, in so far as political discourse goes, this is the hill I'll die on. This is the unhealable rift in America and I'm cutting ties. It seems to me that parents being aware of and preventing leftoids from indoctrinating their kids into the woke cult is job one for any parent. They aren't getting anywhere near my kids. To me, making decent Americans un-cancelable, building up a parallel educational structure, tech system, media system, and entertainment, together with strong state government to insulate what's left us from suffering this rot is where all the effort should go. Hopefully SCOTUS greases the skids to make it possible.

 

[Fireballer 2,677]

10 hours ago, MDC said:

Haha Tilt! They got you good!  

Great follow up to your idiotic response.  Go put your head back in the sand.  Alll this is going away if you just ignore it.  Great plan.

[Fireballer 2,677]

The left is continuing to succeed.  We're arguing over this stupid sh!t while their overall plan to distort all social norms is winning. The goal of labeling every dissenter as a racist, transaphobe,  or nazi is a huge success.

[MDC 7,881]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Great follow up to your idiotic response.  Go put your head back in the sand.  Alll this is going away if you just ignore it.  Great plan.

You’re lashing out in blind tard fury and don’t even know what you’re saying or why you’re mad.

Go yell at clouds, freak.

[Fireballer 2,677]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

You’re lashing out in blind tard fury and don’t even know what you’re saying or why you’re mad.

Go yell at clouds, freak.

My bad. I forgot for a split second that you're just a squirmy troll.  Carry on.

[MDC 7,881]

Just now, Fireballer said:

My bad. I forgot for a split second that you're just a squirmy troll.  Carry on.

I gave a serious answer and you went all hyperventilating keyboard warrior but I’m the troll.  

Have a nice day.  

[Fireballer 2,677]

Just now, MDC said:

I gave a serious answer and you went all hyperventilating keyboard warrior but I’m the troll.  

Have a nice day.  

Sure u did.  If it was serious, it proves you're a giant pu$$y.  Troll or pu$$y...your only redeeming qualities. 

[MDC 7,881]

11 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Sure u did.  If it was serious, it proves you're a giant pu$$y.  Troll or pu$$y...your only redeeming qualities. 

Trans people make up like .005% of the population and most of them are out there living their lives in peace. The trans fight is being waged between activists on the left and Internet tough guys like you on the right. Normals mostly don’t care. 

Truth.  

[DonS 3,319]

One thing I don't think I've ever clearly read regarding this "lady".  There has been discussion about testosterone levels being below a certain point for a specific period of time.  Is this all via testosterone inhibitors/blockers, or has he gone all in and had his c0ck and balls removed?

If he's still packing heat it will surely be a glorious moment in women's swimming once the podium is full of ladies in one piece bathing suits flaunting their obvious packages. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trans people make up like .005% of the population and most of them are out there living their lives in peace. The trans fight is being waged between activists on the left and Internet tough guys like you on the right. Normals mostly don’t care. 

Truth.  

Talk about narrow minded.  The war may be fought between those groups, but who is the tue intended target?

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Jerry has discussed his daughters in the past. A few weeks after he did, I'd made comments on what he'd said in a different thread, but it rubbed him the wrong way. I don't want to go there again until and unless he brings them up himself.

I do think that the cultural issue is the battle that needs to be fought. The LGBTQ agenda, together with various 1619 Project/ soft on crime/ anti-police / black grievance/ enflamed racism bullsh*t that you mentioned in another thread. and I commented on a few minutes ago. are where its at. They pump these two topics into us not just in schools but also beat us over the head with them in the media, Hollywood, and utilize Big Tech censorship and cancel culture going after our kids and our jobs. The 'correct' position to take in polite, educated society is to fully embrace far leftoid cancerous talking points. We're on the defense.

To me, in so far as political discourse goes, this is the hill I'll die on. This is the unhealable rift in America and I'm cutting ties. It seems to me that parents being aware of and preventing leftoids from indoctrinating their kids into the woke cult is job one for any parent. They aren't getting anywhere near my kids. To me, making decent Americans un-cancelable, building up a parallel educational structure, tech system, media system, and entertainment, together with strong state government to insulate what's left us from suffering this rot is where all the effort should go. Hopefully SCOTUS greases the skids to make it possible.

 

I think there is a world of difference between what I am saying- and have said in the past- on this and what people like utilit99 want us to believe. They find a couple teachers online that say something ripped of context and decide that is going on everywhere. It just isn't. And for the most part it isn't teachers starting class and being like "Let's talk about transgender and why it's okay" or any of that...It's more a teacher saying "I want you to feel comfortable in school." I get e-mails from time to time where the guidance counselor will say something like "Sara now goes by Sam and their pronouns are he/him." What the hell do I care? I'm not going to be a to a 16 year old kid and browbeat them with my beliefs. I never bring it up. I just call them Sam.

Now if a teacher is trying to have class long discussions about this stuff and all that then yeah that goes too far probably, but that isn't happening. Also, by and large- kids don't care. They don't argue over this stuff. They don't yell and scream and through their opinions around. They just accept it and move on. Kids in 2022 just have different priorities in what they care about versus you or I. 

And honestly, if I was a lefty and looking to indoctrinate your kids I appreciate you think myself and my colleagues are so convincing that in 6 hours of school we can undo the rest of the week they are around you as their parent. Sh!t sometimes I can't get a 16 year old to turn in their homework on time but I can instill in them new social and cultural norms!