If you were a parent of an NCAA girls swimming and diving contender.

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

And my daughter stands up for herself and then starts getting harassed and bullied for being a hate monger or something stupid like that which affects my daughter's mental health potentially. No person in their right mind would ever want that for their kids either. Again- there is nuance here no matter how much you want to paint it and there is a way to approach it by threading a needle through some different areas. That isn't saying "accept you are inferior"

I don't think anyone here thinks YOUR daughter would stand by her principles and be strong.  No mental strength. Everyone knows you taught her to cave in to irrational fear. Just like you do. 

[avoiding injuries 1,650]

I’d organize a competitive game of smear the queer for after the races. 

[Voltaire 5,485]

6 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Do trannies go to women's rights marches and protests because now since they turned they must automatically get paid a lower salary? Right?

No, because they aren't. That's a different bag of BS though.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

No, because they aren't. That's a different bag of BS though.

yep. That's my point. 

[TimmySmith 2,783]

12 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

And my daughter stands up for herself and then starts getting harassed and bullied for being a hate monger or something stupid like that which affects my daughter's mental health potentially. No person in their right mind would ever want that for their kids either. Again- there is nuance here no matter how much you want to paint it and there is a way to approach it by threading a needle through some different areas. That isn't saying "accept you are inferior"

 You libs spend all your time labeling the right as racists and bigots because that nonsense really matters to you. Grow up. So she gets labeled as a hate monger for pointing out men aren't women and never will be. Why do young women have to carry the load for this? You wimpy Dads need to step up. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

44 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

 You libs spend all your time labeling the right as racists and bigots because that nonsense really matters to you. Grow up. So she gets labeled as a hate monger for pointing out men aren't women and never will be. Why do young women have to carry the load for this? You wimpy Dads need to step up. 

You Internet incels are hilarious. Act like a bunch of tough guys and scared of your own shadows. 

[TimmySmith 2,783]

33 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You Internet incels are hilarious. Act like a bunch of tough guys and scared of your own shadows. 

You have admitted to teaching your daughter to be content with being #2 because of a fear of being labeled a bigot.  All because she must give preference a man dressed as a woman.  And I am the incel. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

You have admitted to teaching your daughter to be content with being #2 because of a fear of being labeled a bigot.  All because she must give preference a man dressed as a woman.  And I am the incel. 

That is not what I said....and yes I don't want my daughter to be labeled or get bullied or anything for something that is not true to her character or the way she was raised- it's called being a parent. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

LOL, @Sean Mooney got destroyed by @TimmySmith in this thread.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

21 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That is not what I said....and yes I don't want my daughter to be labeled or get bullied or anything for something that is not true to her character or the way she was raised- it's called being a parent. 

It just hit me Sean.  You would rather sacrifice your daughter at the alter of wacko liberalism than have anyone think she is right wing.  And goodness forbid she sees the insanity and actually becomes right wing.  That is your biggest fear.  And holding her back is a necessity. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

It just hit me Sean.  You would rather sacrifice your daughter at the alter of wacko liberalism than have anyone think she is right wing.  And goodness forbid she sees the insanity and actually becomes right wing.  That is your biggest fear.  And holding her back is a necessity. 

NAILED IT!

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

22 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

It just hit me Sean.  You would rather sacrifice your daughter at the alter of wacko liberalism than have anyone think she is right wing.  And goodness forbid she sees the insanity and actually becomes right wing.  That is your biggest fear.  And holding her back is a necessity. 

My kids are free to be whatever they want to be politically. I wouldn't care one way or the other. Also, I'm a conservative too but I just am not down with the whole "hating someone for the crime of being different from me" line of thinking that so many of you are comfortable with. 

In the end- if my daughter (for whatever reason) gets bullied by anyone and does anything stupid to harm herself or others it isn't going to matter one damn bit if it was a trans person or not, a Democrat or not, a Republican or not...what's going to matter is my daughter is hurt or worse. Again- it's called being a parent. I can teach my kids to stand up for themselves to speak their mind but also respect that other people have opinions and thoughts that might disagree with you. Listening to others isn't agreement, it's empathy. It's not the worst thing in the world. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

My kids are free to be whatever they want to be politically. I wouldn't care one way or the other. Also, I'm a conservative too but I just am not down with the whole "hating someone for the crime of being different from me" line of thinking that so many of you are comfortable with. 

In the end- if my daughter (for whatever reason) gets bullied by anyone and does anything stupid to harm herself or others it isn't going to matter one damn bit if it was a trans person or not, a Democrat or not, a Republican or not...what's going to matter is my daughter is hurt or worse. Again- it's called being a parent. I can teach my kids to stand up for themselves to speak their mind but also respect that other people have opinions and thoughts that might disagree with you. Listening to others isn't agreement, it's empathy. It's not the worst thing in the world. 

Simple question... do you think trans women should be allowed in women's sports?

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Simple question... do you think trans women should be allowed in women's sports?

No, and I also don't think it is fair in this particular case considering the person was a collegiate male swimmer and switched identification to become a female collegiate swimmer......but I also recognize that no organization is going to stand up to it because they will get as much push from the other way if they try to stop it. 

Honestly- I wonder if an organization could pass some rule about trans women needing to have some level of estrogen or something in their body to compete.. obviously strength and ability are not necessarily tied to that but it would give them some somewhat arbitrary scientific marker to stand behind. 

[jerryskids 7,080]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

No, and I also don't think it is fair in this particular case considering the person was a collegiate male swimmer and switched identification to become a female collegiate swimmer......but I also recognize that no organization is going to stand up to it because they will get as much push from the other way if they try to stop it. 

Honestly- I wonder if an organization could pass some rule about trans women needing to have some level of estrogen or something in their body to compete.. obviously strength and ability are not necessarily tied to that but it would give them some somewhat arbitrary scientific marker to stand behind. 

The problem with hormone testing is that it doesn't take into account the fact that once a male goes through puberty they are, on average, far superior in many physiological measures tied to athletic prowess.

Anyway, Arizona has a bill in its state legislature which is intended to prevent biological males from competing in female sports, I presume at some scholastic level.  I don't know the details, and my grand state has a way of doing some really stupid stuff, but I agree philosophically with the motivation behind the bill.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The problem with hormone testing is that it doesn't take into account the fact that once a male goes through puberty they are, on average, far superior in many physiological measures tied to athletic prowess.

Anyway, Arizona has a bill in its state legislature which is intended to prevent biological males from competing in female sports, I presume at some scholastic level.  I don't know the details, and my grand state has a way of doing some really stupid stuff, but I agree philosophically with the motivation behind the bill.

I didn't know what the logistics of any of it would look like, I was just spitballing an idea. A bill in the legislature is fine and we will see what it does.

My larger point is- this is not as simple as some of the people here want to paint it. People need to know where all the attacks will come from and how to fend them off when they inevitably come. 

[MDC 7,881]

I’d be really pissed if I were a female athlete or the parent of one. Transgender people have a right to basic dignity and inclusion. That doesn’t include the right to an unfair advantage againsy other athletes. 

You get to live life the way you want - great. Unfortunately you may have to give up competitive athletics to do it. Sorry.

[Gladiators 2,032]

Make a tranny division.  See how many sign up

[TimmySmith 2,783]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’d be really pissed if I were a female athlete or the parent of one. Transgender people have a right to basic dignity and inclusion. That doesn’t include the right to an unfair advantage againsy other athletes. 

You get to live life the way you want - great. Unfortunately you may have to give up competitive athletics to do it. Sorry.

This is what everyone says. But when you say it in a meaningful place, you get labeled.  Mooney wasn't wrong about that.  It must be said though.

[jerryskids 7,080]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I didn't know what the logistics of any of it would look like, I was just spitballing an idea. A bill in the legislature is fine and we will see what it does.

My larger point is- this is not as simple as some of the people here want to paint it. People need to know where all the attacks will come from and how to fend them off when they inevitably come. 

Well, it's easy to sit here on an anonymous message board and spout bravado about how you would organize a boycott, or how you suck as a dad if you don't encourage your daughter to ruin her life.  Somehow of the thousands of parents close to the situation, none have done that, but folks here have thoroughly analyzed the situation and know better.   

[MDC 7,881]

3 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

This is what everyone says. But when you say it in a meaningful place, you get labeled.  Mooney wasn't wrong about that.  It must be said though.

I haven’t read any of the responses, just answering the OP’s question.

[Fireballer 2,677]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

No, and I also don't think it is fair in this particular case considering the person was a collegiate male swimmer and switched identification to become a female collegiate swimmer......but I also recognize that no organization is going to stand up to it because they will get as much push from the other way if they try to stop it. 

Honestly- I wonder if an organization could pass some rule about trans women needing to have some level of estrogen or something in their body to compete.. obviously strength and ability are not necessarily tied to that but it would give them some somewhat arbitrary scientific marker to stand behind. 

Excellent.  All of this is driven by a very vocal minority.  If people like you spoke up, this crap would get no traction.  We are in this predicament because of the "go along to get along" mentality.  I think you should tell your theoretical collegiate daughter swimmer to speak up and don't accept 2nd place.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

thousands of parents close to the situation

If there's THAT many, there really shouldn't be an issue.  The problem is, there isn't one of them man enough to stand up.  So, as Timmy pointed out, everyone is teaching their kid to be subservient instead of standing up for what they believe in.  If they don't want their kids to do it, then the parents should.  The kids are being treated unfairly, well, as a parent, stick up for your kid.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If there's THAT many, there really shouldn't be an issue.  The problem is, there isn't one of them man enough to stand up.  So, as Timmy pointed out, everyone is teaching their kid to be subservient instead of standing up for what they believe in.  If they don't want their kids to do it, then the parents should.  The kids are being treated unfairly, well, as a parent, stick up for your kid.

Well if keyboard incel TBay says so...

[Utilit99 4,099]

35 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, it's easy to sit here on an anonymous message board and spout bravado about how you would organize a boycott, or how you suck as a dad if you don't encourage your daughter to ruin her life.  Somehow of the thousands of parents close to the situation, none have done that, but folks here have thoroughly analyzed the situation and know better.   

Why do you keep saying it would ruin a girl's life if she took a stand against this? This simply isn't true.

And others have definitely come out against this openly.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well if keyboard incel TBay says so...

Just proving your ignorance.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,331]

Every female should boycott. That would solve it

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

My kids are free to be whatever they want to be politically. I wouldn't care one way or the other. Also, I'm a conservative too but I just am not down with the whole "hating someone for the crime of being different from me" line of thinking that so many of you are comfortable with. 

In the end- if my daughter (for whatever reason) gets bullied by anyone and does anything stupid to harm herself or others it isn't going to matter one damn bit if it was a trans person or not, a Democrat or not, a Republican or not...what's going to matter is my daughter is hurt or worse. Again- it's called being a parent. I can teach my kids to stand up for themselves to speak their mind but also respect that other people have opinions and thoughts that might disagree with you. Listening to others isn't agreement, it's empathy. It's not the worst thing in the world. 

This guy calling himself a conservative is like biden saying he will represent both sides of the aisle in his actions and bring unity to the house and the senate and all the American people.

It's comical.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

23 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

He is exactly what you pegged in an earlier post....just an Internet tough guy. I would probably handle it similar to how you described in the first post. Try to convince my kid to strive to break her own PR and aim for that place right behind the trans swimmer. 

Lol

[listen2me 23 1,952]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You have admitted to teaching your daughter to be content with being #2 because of a fear of being labeled a bigot.  All because she must give preference a man dressed as a woman.  And I am the incel. 

This.  Simply amazing.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

I am rooting for the dudes that think they are women to break all women records in every sport and absolutely crush thr competition.   It is hilarious.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I am rooting for the dudes that think they are women to break all women records in every sport and absolutely crush thr competition.   It is hilarious.   

#metoo

I hope they demoralize the girls to the point that they all want to quit. Let's see how fast things change then.

People know damn well this country would back the women.

And then the moonies and the jerrys can tell their daughters it's now safe to go along with the crowd and protest. Follow the majority and the liberal run corporations at all costs.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

My kids are free to be whatever they want to be politically. I wouldn't care one way or the other. Also, I'm a conservative too but I just am not down with the whole "hating someone for the crime of being different from me" line of thinking that so many of you are comfortable with. 

In the end- if my daughter (for whatever reason) gets bullied by anyone and does anything stupid to harm herself or others it isn't going to matter one damn bit if it was a trans person or not, a Democrat or not, a Republican or not...what's going to matter is my daughter is hurt or worse. Again- it's called being a parent. I can teach my kids to stand up for themselves to speak their mind but also respect that other people have opinions and thoughts that might disagree with you. Listening to others isn't agreement, it's empathy. It's not the worst thing in the world. 

No one hates the tranny.

Normal people think it is ridiculous that men want to be women then easily crush them in women's competitions.   

[jerryskids 7,080]

3 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Why do you keep saying it would ruin a girl's life if she took a stand against this? This simply isn't true.

And others have definitely come out against this openly.

And yet none are doing it.  Apparently those thousands of people all see it differently, but I'm sure you are correct and they are all wrong.   

"Simple" is a good descriptor for your position.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

No one hates the tranny.

Normal people think it is ridiculous that men want to be women then easily crush them in women's competitions.   

All true.  There is something seriously wrong with a dude (who has his genitalia) who is a top performer on the men's side one year, and dominates women the next.  Which is exactly the Thomas case.  He is mentally damaged and hiding behind a wall of people who are scared of what others might say if they don't protect him. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

3 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Every female should boycott. That would solve it

...and feminists should back them up.  But they won't.  As proof of how screwed up and cultist that the Democrat party is, feminists will support a fake woman over a real woman.

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And yet none are doing it.  Apparently those thousands of people all see it differently, but I'm sure you are correct and they are all wrong.   

"Simple" is a good descriptor for your position.

Are these the people who are going to "ruin" the lives of these girls if they protest?

Transgender girls and women now barred from female sports in Iowa

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084278181/transgender-girls-and-women-now-barred-from-female-sports-in-iowa

 

And then this? 

 

 

And are these people's lives ruined? 

 

Teen runners sue to block trans athletes from girls' sports

The families of three female high school runners filed a federal lawsuit on Wednesday seeking to block transgender athletes in Connecticut from participating in girls’ sports.

Selina Soule, a senior at Glastonbury high school, Chelsea Mitchell, a senior at Canton high school, and Alanna Smith, a sophomore at Danbury high school, are represented by the conservative not-for-profit organization Alliance Defending Freedom. They argue that allowing trans athletes to compete has deprived them of track titles and scholarship opportunities.

“Mentally and physically, we know the outcome before the race even starts,” said Smith

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/13/transgender-athletes-girls-sports-high-school

 

 

 

And how about this. Are these the people who are going to ruin any girl's lives if they protest? 

 

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/olympian-erika-brown-we-cannot-allow-transgender-females-to-compete-against-biological-women/

Three weeks after the Lia Thomas controversy first emerged in the national spotlight, an active athlete has spoken out against the involvement of Thomas in women’s sports. Via her Instagram account, Erika Brown, a member of Team USA at the Olympic Games in Tokyo, expressed that biological women are at a disadvantage when racing against transgender women. At the end of her Instagram post, Brown said she hopes her willingness to speak out will lead to others speaking out as well.

“I want to share something that’s been on my heart regarding what is going on in USA Swimming at the moment. I believe that we are all God’s children and we are called to love one another. I don’t want to create any hate, only speak up for what is right.

“We cannot allow transgender females to compete against biological women. A biological male goes through male puberty. Even when she has transitioned, she still has the physiology of a male. A few years of testosterone blockers and estrogen doesn’t change the fact that she will have more powerful muscles, a larger heart and greater lung capacity (than) a biological woman.

[Fireballer 2,677]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

...and feminists should back them up.  But they won't.  As proof of how screwed up and cultist that the Democrat party is, feminists will support a fake woman over a real woman.

The gheyz were asleep at the wheel when they let the "T"s hitch to their wagon

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, Fireballer said:

The gheyz were asleep at the wheel when they let the "T"s hitch to their wagon

Very good point. 

Maybe even the whole '+' crowd. It focks up their message. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You have admitted to teaching your daughter to be content with being #2 because of a fear of being labeled a bigot.  All because she must give preference a man dressed as a woman.  And I am the incel. 

This is stated well.