Trans Kids

[avoiding injuries 1,589]

Anything related to transgenderism is elective and should be treated as such by the insurance companies and especially the government. Guess what, since kids don’t have the money to pay for this sh!t, that would solve the underage issue. If adults wanted to pay for drugs/surgery, then just like other cosmetic procedures it’s 100% out of pocket. Call it what it is, a fantasy. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Interesting. Been seeing a lot of stories about people de transitioning. And suing their doctors and whatever for transitioning them in the first place.

[BuckSwope 654]

42 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Interesting. Been seeing a lot of stories about people de transitioning. And suing their doctors and whatever for transitioning them in the first place.

There have been.  Mixed in the stories I've seen also including pressure from family to do so as well as not being happy with the transition and other things.  Also can be stories about still being non-binary, but not liking the surgery.  

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, avoiding injuries said:

Anything related to transgenderism is elective and should be treated as such by the insurance companies and especially the government. Guess what, since kids don’t have the money to pay for this sh!t, that would solve the underage issue. If adults wanted to pay for drugs/surgery, then just like other cosmetic procedures it’s 100% out of pocket. Call it what it is, a fantasy. 

Do you mean surgeries and hormones, or literally anything? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

I’ve seen the light. Barely any kids are taking the puberty blockers. That’s how we know they’re safe for all and that there are no long term affects. Just stop taking them and you’ll go back to normal. No big deal. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

So that Parker School thing people were posting here last week from Project Veritas?

 

Turns out:

1.) Project Veritas got the interview under false pretenses

2.) Edited out parts of the video...like the ones that indicated the session was optional and not required for students to attend in any way

3.) Posted it online where it got picked up by the far right wingnuts

4.) Then the leader went back and was asking questions loudly about sexual things in front of elementary school kids.

 

and it led to bomb threats at the school today and the place being evacuated. 

Cool stuff here....glad people are enjoying their culture war. 

[Raven Fan 362]

26 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So that Parker School thing people were posting here last week from Project Veritas?

 

Turns out:

1.) Project Veritas got the interview under false pretenses

2.) Edited out parts of the video...like the ones that indicated the session was optional and not required for students to attend in any way

3.) Posted it online where it got picked up by the far right wingnuts

4.) Then the leader went back and was asking questions loudly about sexual things in front of elementary school kids.

 

and it led to bomb threats at the school today and the place being evacuated. 

Cool stuff here....glad people are enjoying their culture war. 

Everyone but the biggest idiots know that project Veritas is nothing but fake, alt right, edited propaganda.

But that doesn't change the fact that this stuff shouldn't be offered in schools at all and the school should not have supported the dude.  But it also doesn't change it from the extremely isolated incident that it is.

The right will never give up their cultural war.  What else do their bible thumping, uneducated constituents care about?  They're not smart enough to think about economics, the environment, technology, or anything that really matters. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

False pretenses. Lol. You mean they didn’t sit down with the guy and say “Hi, we’re with PV and would like to talk to you about the dildos and lube”. Lol. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

When we add the phrase "false pretenses" to the document "Things HT can define" we now are at...(checks notes)...1 item.

 

Hope no one gets carpal tunnel from all that typing. 

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

So that Parker School thing people were posting here last week from Project Veritas?

 

Turns out:

1.) Project Veritas got the interview under false pretenses

2.) Edited out parts of the video...like the ones that indicated the session was optional and not required for students to attend in any way

3.) Posted it online where it got picked up by the far right wingnuts

4.) Then the leader went back and was asking questions loudly about sexual things in front of elementary school kids.

 

and it led to bomb threats at the school today and the place being evacuated. 

Cool stuff here....glad people are enjoying their culture war. 

Oh nooooooes, they posted it online?%$#@!  And what HT just said about false pretenses.  You had to copy and paste this tripe from some Leftie site, cmon, fess up, no way you are this dumb.   

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Oh nooooooes, they posted it online?%$#@!  And what HT just said about false pretenses.  You had to copy and paste this tripe from some Leftie site, cmon, fess up, no way you are this dumb.   

What term would you use to say" misled about who they are to the interviewee"?

I'll adjust the post so it says that so you and HT don't have a mini stroke crying about the thing. 

Also, for someone like you who rails for posts and words on end about fairness from media you seem to oddly brush past it here. Why is that?

[jerryskids 6,825]

14 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

This is what I call a "duh" moment.  I am happy you've come this far, but JFC no shit Sherlock. 

The difference with MDC's proposal is he is not saying it is a hard 18 everywhere, but rather the age is based on the age of medical consent for each state.  So if, say, I dunno, Nebraska let's you make such decisions at 16, then you can do it then.

I'm inclined to agree with MDC's proposal; it keeps it for the states to decide.   

5 hours ago, MDC said:

I don’t remember any of you geniuses suggesting it during one of your many conversations about trannies, drag queens and underage genital mutilation.

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

What term would you use to say" misled about who they are to the interviewee"?

I'll adjust the post so it says that so you and HT don't have a mini stroke crying about the thing. 

What were the false pretenses? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What were the false pretenses? 

They were at a conference and the individual with Veritas approached the guy as a fellow conference attendee, went to the discussion, recorded all of it, and then edited the parts out where the person talks about the class being optional. 

They wanted to present this as a massive problem at this school so people will lap it up as part of the culture war and (waves hands at thread) it worked.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

They were at a conference and the individual with Veritas approached the guy as a fellow conference attendee, went to the discussion, recorded all of it, and then edited the parts out where the person talks about the class being optional. 

They wanted to present this as a massive problem at this school so people will lap it up as part of the culture war and (waves hands at thread) it worked.

What was the false pretense? 

[jerryskids 6,825]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What term would you use to say" misled about who they are to the interviewee"?

I'll adjust the post so it says that so you and HT don't have a mini stroke crying about the thing. 

Also, for someone like you who rails for posts and words on end about fairness from media you seem to oddly brush past it here. Why is that?

I would use "investigative reporting."  And you didn't address my main point about the oh nooooes they posted it online!  Otherwise good job, good effort.

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

They were at a conference and the individual with Veritas approached the guy as a fellow conference attendee, went to the discussion, recorded all of it, and then edited the parts out where the person talks about the class being optional. 

They wanted to present this as a massive problem at this school so people will lap it up as part of the culture war and (waves hands at thread) it worked.

You are addressing your #2, the editing, which is a fair point.  But it doesn't address the false pretenses like you said.

I am very much about fairness in media.  What does that have to do with a single outlet reporting something?  Are MSM outlets picking it up and running with it?  Didn't think so... so I guess you proved my point about the MSM, thanks!

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What was the false pretense? 

Same question I asked jerry then: What term would you use to say" misled about who they are to the interviewee"?

Or do I have to take "false pretense" off your list and bust you back to zero?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I would use "investigative reporting."  And you didn't address my main point about the oh nooooes they posted it online!  Otherwise good job, good effort.

You are addressing your #2, the editing, which is a fair point.  But it doesn't address the false pretenses like you said.

I am very much about fairness in media.  What does that have to do with a single outlet reporting something?  Are MSM outlets picking it up and running with it?  Didn't think so... so I guess you proved my point about the MSM, thanks!

What is your malfunction? They pretended to be someone they are not in order to gain access to an interview. They were at a conference about these topics and pretended to be interested in what the school was doing to paint the picture in one way. 

FOX News isn't MSM?

[jerryskids 6,825]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

What is your malfunction? They pretended to be someone they are not in order to gain access to an interview. They were at a conference about these topics and pretended to be interested in what the school was doing to paint the picture in one way. 

FOX News isn't MSM?

There is no malfunction, on what planet do you think they go in and say "hey we're from Project Veritas, gotta minute?!" This has already been pointed out so I didn't think I needed to say it again, but here we are.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Same question I asked jerry then: What term would you use to say" misled about who they are to the interviewee"?

Or do I have to take "false pretense" off your list and bust you back to zero?

Yes. Undercover journalism can’t be criticized for false pretenses. Then it’s not undercover. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

The bigger point is that they then take that video and edit it. So they are already being shady in how they get the interview to get the person talking and then edit the video in such a way to make the interviewee look bad. 

And I highly doubt if some goofy fooking left wing organization was doing this you would be like "oh well investigative journalism"

And just because you want to say "They aren't going to say we are from project Veritas" does not mean it negates that they got the interview under false pretenses

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. Undercover journalism can’t be criticized for false pretenses. Then it’s not undercover. 

Even in undercover journalism you can be liable for lying to get access to things. ABC got sued by Food Lion years ago for lying about stuff in trying to get access to a story. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The bigger point is that they then take that video and edit it. So they are already being shady in how they get the interview to get the person talking and then edit the video in such a way to make the interviewee look bad. 

And I highly doubt if some goofy fooking left wing organization was doing this you would be like "oh well investigative journalism"

And just because you want to say "They aren't going to say we are from project Veritas" does not mean it negates that they got the interview under false pretenses

If it were a left wing undercover operation, I certainly wouldn’t dismiss what the person said based on leaving out the “optional” part. Which I don’t think is even a big deal. Of course it’s optional. There was a question if it were a requirement? If a kid said no they fail or get expelled? Go ahead and hang your hat on that and forget the rest. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Even in undercover journalism you can be liable for lying to get access to things. ABC got sued by Food Lion years ago for lying about stuff in trying to get access to a story. 

What did they lie about? The whole thing is the guy talking. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What did they lie about? The whole thing is the guy talking. 

Because that is how they edited the video...

 

Are you this dumb? 

[Raven Fan 362]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What did they lie about? The whole thing is the guy talking. 

I mean Max Headroom talked too...

LMFAO

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Because that is how they edited the video...

 

Are you this dumb? 

I acknowledged they left out the optional part. So what else did they edit? They left out when they ordered food? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

On 12/12/2022 at 10:27 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it’s not widespread it’s not a problem. 

This!

Why stop a future problem for pennies when we can create PAC's, Community Centers, and Clinics for BILLIONS of dollars later?  Makes no sense to me.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I acknowledged they left out the optional part. So what else did they edit? They left out when they ordered food? 

You are just being obtuse at this point. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

On 12/12/2022 at 10:34 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

What a great deal for the groomers if you can’t call them groomers. What should they be called? 

Hero's?

[jerryskids 6,825]

31 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The bigger point is that they then take that video and edit it. So they are already being shady in how they get the interview to get the person talking and then edit the video in such a way to make the interviewee look bad. 

And I highly doubt if some goofy fooking left wing organization was doing this you would be like "oh well investigative journalism"

And just because you want to say "They aren't going to say we are from project Veritas" does not mean it negates that they got the interview under false pretenses

I don't like the editing.

Did your Leftist source tell you what "optional" meant?  Were the parents given the option, or the kids?  Was the default that you take it and you had to opt out, or did you have to opt in?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't like the editing.

Did your Leftist source tell you what "optional" meant?  Were the parents given the option, or the kids?  Was the default that you take it and you had to opt out, or did you have to opt in?

"Leftist source"

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

"Leftist source"

I said in my first post to you that no way you are so dumb to include "posted it on the interwebs" as a gotcha; you needed to get that from one of your Leftist sources.  Color me wrong, apparently you are that dumb, I'll take the L.   

Now, how about my questions about the options?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I said in my first post to you that no way you are so dumb to include "posted it on the interwebs" as a gotcha; you needed to get that from one of your Leftist sources.  Color me wrong, apparently you are that dumb, I'll take the L.   

Now, how about my questions about the options?

If you are going to choose to be a condescending douche this entire time- unprompted by me saying anything to you this time- why should I entertain your questions?

 

[jerryskids 6,825]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

If you are going to choose to be a condescending douche this entire time- unprompted by me saying anything to you this time- why should I entertain your questions?

 

Fine.  What was the point of your original #3?

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it were a left wing undercover operation, I certainly wouldn’t dismiss what the person said based on leaving out the “optional” part. Which I don’t think is even a big deal. Of course it’s optional. There was a question if it were a requirement? If a kid said no they fail or get expelled? Go ahead and hang your hat on that and forget the rest. 

This goes the narrative that this stuff is being forced on kids and being taught against their will.   It is no accident that they left that part out of the video because it caters to their bread and butter- people who are convinced of those things.  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fine.  What was the point of your original #3?

What part do you disagree with as it relates to the statement of "[it was] Posted online where it got picked up by the far right wingnuts"?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

This goes the narrative that this stuff is being forced on kids and being taught against their will.   It is no accident that they left that part out of the video because it caters to their bread and butter- people who are convinced of those things.  

Well, normal peoples narrative is it shouldn’t exist. Just like sex change operations and puberty blockers. So the option part doesn’t  really move the needle. But you weirdos want to delve in and excuse this stuff.  

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

What part do you disagree with as it relates to the statement of "[it was] Posted online where it got picked up by the far right wingnuts"?

I disagree with the part where it was in your list of 4 gotchas and I don't see the gotcha. 

The only potential gotcha in your list is the editing, and I say "potential" because I can't seem to get you centrists to tell me what "optional" meant in the specific context.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I disagree with the part where it was in your list of 4 gotchas and I don't see the gotcha. 

The only potential gotcha in your list is the editing, and I say "potential" because I can't seem to get you centrists to tell me what "optional" meant in the specific context.

It wasn't a list of "gotchas"....it was a list of events that I broke down that way as opposed to writing it in paragraph form. I did it for readability.