Trans Kids

[avoiding injuries 1,589]

I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m really surprised that the school came out in support of the butt plug/d!ldo teacher. Especially after deleting their Twitter account immediately after the video surfaced. 
I’m interested in what could have happened to persuade them to become supportive of something like that. 

[BuckSwope 654]

21 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m really surprised that the school came out in support of the butt plug/d!ldo teacher. Especially after deleting their Twitter account immediately after the video surfaced. 
I’m interested in what could have happened to persuade them to become supportive of something like that. 

It's not that hard to figure out.   Anything tied to LGBTQ+ stuff gets sidestepped and shoved aside so as not to deal with the people on both sides if the debate.   I think what people view as acceptance or support of is often just trying to avoid doing anything about it either way.  

[dogcows 1,030]

8 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Criminals?  Please show where they have done criminal things?  You know that most states are single party consent. And Veritas has won every single defamation case. 
 

people like you think that when a guy says exactly what you hear but it’s recorded by a right wing guy the words are invalid 

James okeefe has a journalism degree. Therefore no matter how smart you think you are you are wrong. 
 

please show me where the deceptive editing has occurred they always show clips of people saying exact words in the story

douchebags like you get your deceptive editing from msnbc continually and run with it. Example. Covington kids, good people on both sides 

you do know this case had not even been settled right? 

Centrists believe Project Veritas is journalism.
 

And I linked to the story where they were held liable for criminal behavior to the tune of $120K. 

[dogcows 1,030]

7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

A tactic that is sure to win an argument ignore the validity or substance of the matter and attack the messenger instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

 

When a witness testifies in a trial, a common and valid line of questioning is one that establishes the witness’ credibility (or lack thereof). Veritas has a long and sordid history of peddling BS. Sneaking hidden cameras, then trying to get somebody to say something that they will take wildly out of context… is trash “gotcha” nonsense. 

[jonmx 2,429]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

When a witness testifies in a trial, a common and valid line of questioning is one that establishes the witness’ credibility (or lack thereof). Veritas has a long and sordid history of peddling BS. Sneaking hidden cameras, then trying to get somebody to say something that they will take wildly out of context… is trash “gotcha” nonsense. 

The media has a sordid past of spinning video which has people clearly stating things and telling buffoons stupid enough to believe it that it is somehow 'out of context'.  And getting people on video to reveal their true motivations and actions which they lie about publicly is called reporting and is the only real way to expose the mass amount of corruption going on.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

29 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Centrists believe Project Veritas is journalism.
 

And I linked to the story where they were held liable for criminal behavior to the tune of $120K. 

Lol. How much did CNN pay the Sandman kid? Now tell me you get your news from NPR.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Centrists believe Project Veritas is journalism.
 

And I linked to the story where they were held liable for criminal behavior to the tune of $120K. 

you believe MSNBC is journalism

heres a hint only one of these 2 organizations even does investigations

fwiw there very definition of journalism is extremely broad, if you write a story thats published

as far as your story, sorry if a jury in a liberal city found conservatives liable, color me shocked

still not criminal, criminal means a crime, not a civil settlement

U.S. District Judge Paul Friedman, who oversaw the trial, will assess damages based on jurors' separate finding that the operative, Allison Maass, intended to breach a fiduciary duty, according to the verdict form.

Friedman has yet to rule on the defendants' arguments that they should prevail as a matter of law.

"This case implicates fundamental First Amendment issues. The folks on my left prefer to ignore that fact," the defendants' lawyer Paul Calli said in a statement. "We will see what the finish line brings."

youre the same type of guy who will deny Quid Pro Joe did anything wrong with Ukraine while supporting Trump being impeached over it cause the story ran on Fox

 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

They all deny they support such barbaric actions, while defending those actions every chance they get.   The gymnastics is fun to watch as they scream 'you pedo' every time they are caught in a lie.  

For you and others, there is 0 middle ground.   It feels like it's either full on pedo/grooming, and everything to do with the topic is barbaric.     People can disagree with you about all or none of those things, but when they do its right back to the all or nothing view of this.  

I keep pushing back because I get grouped in there often, but I don't feel your statement is accurate of my postion, and the position of many I encounter on these boards.    I think that surgeries before 18 should be a no-go.   I am less sure about the puberty blockers, so for me that goes more in the category of being willing to leave that up to the parents and doctors.   Regardless, first step should be mental health counseling and going down that road.   

To me, that is not me saying that I approve of the procedure in the case of puberty blockers, it's that I think people should be able to make that decision on their own.   I usually fall back to my philosophy that I don't want people telling me what I can and can't do for myself and my family, so I like to extend that courtesy to others (within reason).  Because you think it's all barbaric, you feel justified calling people with my postion evil groomers and wanting it banned.  

To me there is 0 mental gymnastics needed, and no lying involved.   You can disagree, but I feel there is an important distinction between being "for" something, and being for allowing people to make that choice themselves.   Where you and others make the mistake is morphing a position like mine as to meaning that I would do those things if given the chance.   I honestly don't know here, but it certainly isn't the case for other things we debate like abortion, guns, covid vaccinations, etc.   None of the positions I have there reflect how I act or the decisions I make at home.  

[craftsman 1,045]

6 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

The article is from Reuters via Yahoo.  

Oh Boy!! That really fixes things.

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

 full on pedo/grooming,

Someone ratted on someone because they called someone a "groomer". 

Guess we found one of the rats. 

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Someone ratted on someone because they called someone a "groomer". 

Guess we found one of the rats. 

I don't report people that's weak. 

[BuckSwope 654]

28 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Oh Boy!! That really fixes things.

There is a difference.  My guess was you didn't click the link, so I clarified. 

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I don't report people that's weak. 

That's what all the libs say. Yet they keep reporting people. 

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, craftsman said:

That's what all the libs say. Yet they keep reporting people. 

As if you know who is doing the reporting, or if it in fact is what caused the locked threads.  As usual, each side blames the other and the silence from mods fuels the divide.  

[craftsman 1,045]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

As if you know who is doing the reporting, or if it in fact is what caused the locked threads.  As usual, each side blames the other and the silence from mods fuels the divide.  

sure. I'm getting nasty-grams from the mod because liberals like you and mdc and mooney aren't reporting me because your feelers get hurt. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, craftsman said:

sure. I'm getting nasty-grams because liberals you and mdc and mooney aren't reporting me. 

I give 0 craps if you believe me or not.  I barely interact with you.  

Reporting people means you care enough what random people you've never met online are saying about you.  That doesn't apply here, at least not for me.  I also don't believe you or anyone has called me a groomer or pedo here.

 

[craftsman 1,045]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I give 0 craps if you believe me or not. 

good

 

 

rat

[BuckSwope 654]

You want it to be a FBG cast off soooooo bad. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Why would anyone even consider puberty blockers for a kid going through something that is most often temporary? 

[BuckSwope 654]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why would anyone even consider puberty blockers for a kid going through something that is most often temporary? 

1.  You don't know it's temporary at the time. 

2.  You have to balance that high the high rates of suicide and depression. 

3.  People are worried about their kids who are going through this.  

4. A lot of what I've read claims it's mostly reversible.  There is more coming out all the time, but IMO that is the common info out there.  

There are reasons someone would consider it.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,124]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

1.  You don't know it's temporary at the time. 

2.  You have to balance that high the high rates of suicide and depression. 

3.  People are worried about their kids who are going through this.  

4. A lot of what I've read claims it's mostly reversible.  There is more coming out all the time, but IMO that is the common info out there.  

There are reasons someone would consider it.  

No, there isn't.  You've been brainwashed. 

1. You don't know that it is temporary either.  FACT.
2. The rates of suicide and depression have remained constant despite transitions.  FACT.
3. No they aren't.  This is all about virtue signalling and making THEMSELVES look better. FACT.
4. You haven't read any of that.  You're making it up as you go along.  FACT.

History will not look kindly upon those of you who supported and perpetuated this sh#t.

[BuckSwope 654]

"FACT" 

if you arent BR or SC from fbgs, you have to be related.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

1.  You don't know it's temporary at the time. 

2.  You have to balance that high the high rates of suicide and depression. 

3.  People are worried about their kids who are going through this.  

4. A lot of what I've read claims it's mostly reversible.  There is more coming out all the time, but IMO that is the common info out there.  

There are reasons someone would consider it.  

bro, 

1) you arent the rat 

2) you need to do research on hormone blockers, they have an extremely high rate of not only sterilization but also linked to cancer, its why other European countries no longer allow them, so therefore it being reversible is false

3) people need to put their kids in therapy let them learn how to cope with life in general and make that decision as an adult like you said

4) the suicide rate is higher currently in post op, than pre-op mostly because these mentally unstable people think being the wrong "gender" is the key to their mental issues, and when all of a sudden they go thru surgery (or hormone blocking) they are not fixed and give up.  

5) I can't believe anyone would ever want to never be able to have an orgasm again, and thats 100% guarantee if you do this

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,124]

12 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

"FACT" 

if you arent BR or SC from fbgs, you have to be related.  

Hey, when you're wrong deflect!   You don't even get an "A" for effort since that's SOP from those on the left.

You don't even realize how insanely wrong you are on this whole subject from a factual perspective.  Do us a favor and don't get your "research" from the DNC website, okay?  TIA!

[BuckSwope 654]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

bro, 

1) you arent the rat 

2) you need to do research on hormone blockers, they have an extremely high rate of not only sterilization but also linked to cancer, its why other European countries no longer allow them, so therefore it being reversible is false

3) people need to put their kids in therapy let them learn how to cope with life in general and make that decision as an adult like you said

4) the suicide rate is higher currently in post op, than pre-op mostly because these mentally unstable people think being the wrong "gender" is the key to their mental issues, and when all of a sudden they go thru surgery (or hormone blocking) they are not fixed and give up.  

5) I can't believe anyone would ever want to never be able to have an orgasm again, and thats 100% guarantee if you do this

 

1.  I know.  

2.  Thanks.  I have seen the issues with sterility, when I say reversible I usually mean physical appearance abilty to "pass" as born gender, etc..   I should be specific.    I know European countries are cracking down on them more, but hadn't seen the links to cancer.   Will definitely look at that more.  

3.  If people aren't seeking psych help at the same time as a first step, yes - I believe they are doing it wrong.  IMO that should be step 1.  

4.  The suicide stats you and Eternal bring up should be looked at and weighed.   

5.  Me neither.  

 

I've said repeatedly that I have 0 clue how I would proceed if my kid came to me with this besides be open and understanding, seek psych help, and read as much as I possibly could.  My point was overall that I don't think it's really that hard to think of reasonable reasons why parents might seek this out as a solution.   There is a lot of fear and uncertainty around it, not to mention the stigma that comes with it from both directions.  

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Again, I am not sure where I posted this, but to me this is 100% in the arena for me as believing it should be a tool available to use for some cases.  It should be treated similar to other risky procedures we have no problem trusting doctors and parents with making for their children.  That's all.   That's my starting point for damn near everything, and it has to be pretty extreme for me to move off that position.  

Just about every site I just glanced at from Mayo Clinic, etc.  seemed pretty clear on the risks, that's it's not for every case, etc..     I'm not advocating for it to be used on everybody.  I'm not even saying I'd do it with my kid in this situation, as I don't know.   All I am saying that I am can understand why a parent could go down this route (that doesn't involve lib brainwashing and virtue signaling), and IMO it should be an option available if doctors are leaning that way and think the benefits outweigh the risks.  

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Again, I am not sure where I posted this, but to me this is 100% in the arena for me as believing it should be a tool available to use for some cases.  It should be treated similar to other risky procedures we have no problem trusting doctors and parents with making for their children.  That's all.   That's my starting point for damn near everything, and it has to be pretty extreme for me to move off that position.  

Just about every site I just glanced at from Mayo Clinic, etc.  seemed pretty clear on the risks, that's it's not for every case, etc..     I'm not advocating for it to be used on everybody.  I'm not even saying I'd do it with my kid in this situation, as I don't know.   All I am saying that I am can understand why a parent could go down this route (that doesn't involve lib brainwashing and virtue signaling), and IMO it should be an option available if doctors are leaning that way and think the benefits outweigh the risks.  

 

The problem currently is that the only places who do this type of sh1t to kids specialize in doing this sh1t to kids and therefore push for this since it’s their bread and butter

just as planned parenthood is the biggest pro abortion organization in the country

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Yeah, it’s it not up for debate for normal people that have a child’s long term best interests in mind.  This is all bout someone’s politics if it is.  Only a leftist that has been brainwashed would even consider it. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

5 hours ago, craftsman said:

sure. I'm getting nasty-grams from the mod because liberals like you and mdc and mooney aren't reporting me because your feelers get hurt. 

The righties here hate you too, I wouldn’t rule them out

[Shooter McGavin 618]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The righties here hate you too, I wouldn’t rule them out

He's not getting emails from the mods.  He is full of bs

[BuckSwope 654]

29 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

The problem currently is that the only places who do this type of sh1t to kids specialize in doing this sh1t to kids and therefore push for this since it’s their bread and butter

just as planned parenthood is the biggest pro abortion organization in the country

This is a valid point and concern.  Especially on something like this that is also politically charged, it's hard to get great info either way - it probably largely comes from either these places or from groups that are opposed to it.   It's harder than it should be to get a neutral view of WTF is going on.  

I'd think we would get a clue by what % of kids get recommended puberty blockers, and if that rate has started to get bigger in the last few years or so.  I can't imagine that the only specialists and psychologists in the field are at those clinics.   I'd also look for stats comparing the rate of recommending puberty blockers between those situations if that is the case.   

 

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

This is a valid point and concern.  Especially on something like this that is also politically charged, it's hard to get great info either way - it probably largely comes from either these places or from groups that are opposed to it.   It's harder than it should be to get a neutral view of WTF is going on.  

I'd think we would get a clue by what % of kids get recommended puberty blockers, and if that rate has started to get bigger in the last few years or so.  I can't imagine that the only specialists and psychologists in the field are at those clinics.   I'd also look for stats comparing the rate of recommending puberty blockers between those situations if that is the case.   

 There is only one side that has the data and is withholding it, and that is the clinics which rely on preying on these children to stay on business.   They want you to think that this is rare, but yet clinics are popping up all over.  They want to tell you they don't do surgeries on children under 18, but yet they do.  They want you to believe there is some medical diagnosis before they hand out drugs to kids, but there isn't.  They want you to believe they clearly disclose all the dangers to the patients, yet they don't.  Hell, we even have government produced literature which lie about puberty blockers being full reversible.   

How do we know all this, because there are dozens of detransitioning people who tell the same story over and over again.  There are no doctors involved on any diagnosis, just a gender advocate who questions the patient and provides it to a doctor who could be in a different state.  Drugs are immediately prescribed as long as the patient self-identifies.  No need to establish that the patient may have other issues which have nothing to do with dysphoria.  

In the US, theses gender clinics still operate in darkness and enjoy legal protection from lawsuits.  In England they have blown the doors off these butcher shops because they did not have legal protections, and their dirty secrets got exposed and these horrendous practices were stopped and every clinic was shutdown for malpractice.  But in the US, the butchering and lies are still occurring and tens of thousands of kids are having their healthy bodies destroyed.  We need to open up these clinics to lawsuits, which will help straighten out their worst practices in a hurry.  

[Voltaire 5,317]

8 hours ago, craftsman said:

sure. I'm getting nasty-grams from the mod because liberals like you and mdc and mooney aren't reporting me because your feelers get hurt. 

Ah! I wondered what triggered your “rat” suspicions and accusations …. nasty-grams from the mods.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Ah! I wondered what triggered your “rat” suspicions and accusations …. nasty-grams from the mods.

What is a nasty gram from a mod?

Crapman being a douche and he got called out for it from a moderator?  The douche part I believe.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 There is only one side that has the data and is withholding it, and that is the clinics which rely on preying on these children to stay on business.   They want you to think that this is rare, but yet clinics are popping up all over.  They want to tell you they don't do surgeries on children under 18, but yet they do.  They want you to believe there is some medical diagnosis before they hand out drugs to kids, but there isn't.  They want you to believe they clearly disclose all the dangers to the patients, yet they don't.  Hell, we even have government produced literature which lie about puberty blockers being full reversible.   

How do we know all this, because there are dozens of detransitioning people who tell the same story over and over again.  There are no doctors involved on any diagnosis, just a gender advocate who questions the patient and provides it to a doctor who could be in a different state.  Drugs are immediately prescribed as long as the patient self-identifies.  No need to establish that the patient may have other issues which have nothing to do with dysphoria.  

In the US, theses gender clinics still operate in darkness and enjoy legal protection from lawsuits.  In England they have blown the doors off these butcher shops because they did not have legal protections, and their dirty secrets got exposed and these horrendous practices were stopped and every clinic was shutdown for malpractice.  But in the US, the butchering and lies are still occurring and tens of thousands of kids are having their healthy bodies destroyed.  We need to open up these clinics to lawsuits, which will help straighten out their worst practices in a hurry.  

Another good post, thanks.  If the 2nd paragraph is true, I will be in agreement with you that practice needs to stop.   Doctors and psychological professionals should be involved in the process at the very least.  

[craftsman 1,045]

13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The righties here hate you too, I wouldn’t rule them out

All the lefties consider themselves righties. 

Let me ask you, are you an extreme liberal or a moderate?

[jonmx 2,429]

 

Here is a fairly lengthy discussion between a detransitioner and a transexual discussing some of the complications that are not talked about.

[Raven Fan 362]

7 hours ago, jonmx said:

 There is only one side that has the data and is withholding it, and that is the clinics which rely on preying on these children to stay on business.   They want you to think that this is rare, but yet clinics are popping up all over.  They want to tell you they don't do surgeries on children under 18, but yet they do.  They want you to believe there is some medical diagnosis before they hand out drugs to kids, but there isn't.  They want you to believe they clearly disclose all the dangers to the patients, yet they don't.  Hell, we even have government produced literature which lie about puberty blockers being full reversible.   

How do we know all this, because there are dozens of detransitioning people who tell the same story over and over again.  There are no doctors involved on any diagnosis, just a gender advocate who questions the patient and provides it to a doctor who could be in a different state.  Drugs are immediately prescribed as long as the patient self-identifies.  No need to establish that the patient may have other issues which have nothing to do with dysphoria.  

In the US, theses gender clinics still operate in darkness and enjoy legal protection from lawsuits.  In England they have blown the doors off these butcher shops because they did not have legal protections, and their dirty secrets got exposed and these horrendous practices were stopped and every clinic was shutdown for malpractice.  But in the US, the butchering and lies are still occurring and tens of thousands of kids are having their healthy bodies destroyed.  We need to open up these clinics to lawsuits, which will help straighten out their worst practices in a hurry.  

LMFAO

Any chance you got some facts to back up that bolded whack job...oh wait, it's Jon the Pedo, the only facts you have is the rotted mass in your ugly noggin you call a brain.

Please get help before you snap psycho. 

[BuckSwope 654]

I am for sure going to watch that video (or at least listen to it) today.  

 

Can we at least pause and reflect a little on turning to the experiences of people I see largely called gross, grooming, mentally ill, attention seekers by a similar group of people who are now trusting them about their experiences?    

[TimHauck 2,905]

6 hours ago, craftsman said:

All the lefties consider themselves righties. 

Let me as you, are you an extreme liberal or a moderate?

No they don’t, I was talking about the actual righties.  And I’m independent.